Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

We balling

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson if you're town you might want to do things asap

Pretending like this isn't obvious

[JacksonVirgo]

I only just woke up, so bear with me while I do my regular routine then get back to this and catch up

[JacksonVirgo]

It would be when the gamestate benefits the wolves

[JacksonVirgo]

Had an unexpectedly busy day, but I'm back and ready to mingle or whatever the saying is

[JacksonVirgo]

Before I start reading the game beyond page 1 and somewhat of the current gamestate, I believe Elements to be very forced and like they're appealing to what a "townie would be doing". The whole "you might wanna do things asap" screamed bad vibes immediately out of the game of which I of course responded to, then the whole statement of E-2 on page one shows that it's probably a consistent thing throughout the whole game so I will wait to see if others have noticed and called out this same thing

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Pages 1-10

I am starting this game pretty heavily swinging against Elements it seems like but their entrance self-vote in 7, although the constant revoting is +town, the current game response to my replacement and the whole E-2 statement in 13 all seem like they're trying too hard at doing what a townie should be doing more so than just doing what a townie would be doing. Especially the town-read in post 40 about Gob's NAI post but doesn't elaborate (maybe they did later). I feel this is just full commit "try and be townie" which is doing the opposite for me.

I say that but their constant vote shifting in the early game is definitely townie, they're not afraid of the backlash of being inconsistent which is a good sign, maybe I'm reading into their personality more than their scum range.

Seeing Cook make the same conclusion as I did in 64, and knowing their alignment 100% (lucky me) I am more confident that I am not going off the rails but I'm still thinking I need to check if it's more their personality that's getting vibe checked than not especially given somebody said that they get D1'd often and that would make sense if this was the case.

The statement of Cook as scum from Black in 152 could be a chainsaw (if I'm getting that term right) in the event Elements flips red but I doubt Black "hard" pairs with their scum partner in the early game.

I need to get out of my "look at Elements" mindset or I'm not gonna have a read on anybody else whoops.

155. Aint no way my pred believed he was actually hammered, what a gumball but I can gauge from that. Gob/Black had the same general reaction to it immediately, meaning if they're serious then they might be more likely Town, emphasis on might.

I like Mizuki's take on Cook via paranoia in 172 even though that it does benefit the scum agenda if the world of Cook/Gob were true and they wanted to keep the vote pool as wide as possible I don't think that's what is happening here.

I disagree on Mizuki's take 176 on Clap's 100. I more likely see that type of thought process from townies in the early game, I know it's cheap to say when they're dead and flipped green but I would have noted this in the moment as well.

How was Clap eliminated with their 186, sigh.

Reading Kyouko in a catch-up is literal pain.

227 Mizuki, you say you scum-read Clap for not solving Elements' alignment but overlooked the fact that Black said you simply can't read them aka don't try?

Black's 245 just threw all the subconscious feelings that they're wolf deep into my brain, disregard this for now I want to come back to it after a full catch-up as I try and logic this feeling out more, maybe that all at once feelings about Black came about because of my last paragraph talking to Mizuki. Not sure, intriguing.

[JacksonVirgo]

I only just woke up, so bear with me while I do my regular routine then get back to this and catch up

The pain will still remain when you come back

The pain definitely remains trying to read Kyouko's wallposts when I already have trouble reading normal posts in catchups lmfao... but after all I've done (so far), I'll disappear (and make a drink)

[JacksonVirgo]

@Drew one of my family got me a lorna shore shirt and that fact it was from family and not buying it myself is the most metal shit out there. I love them

[JacksonVirgo]

Before I start reading the game beyond page 1 and somewhat of the current gamestate, I believe Elements to be very forced and like they're appealing to what a "townie would be doing". The whole "you might wanna do things asap" screamed bad vibes immediately out of the game of which I of course responded to, then the whole statement of E-2 on page one shows that it's probably a consistent thing throughout the whole game so I will wait to see if others have noticed and called out this same thing

It's a playstyle thing
At least one player says this every game I'm in

Yeah I figured that would be it, as I said. If that's truly the case then I town-read you based on pages 1-10

[JacksonVirgo]

Question on Cook, to those who know her style. Was she always so short as town in her responses to questions and statements in game? Her ISO reads flippant and rather curt.

Looking at Jackson I am also drawn to the statement in 1060 Re alignment, just seems performative. OK it’s not even tangible but it sticks in my mind.

What part of it? I can try and comment

[JacksonVirgo]

Question on Cook, to those who know her style. Was she always so short as town in her responses to questions and statements in game? Her ISO reads flippant and rather curt.

Looking at Jackson I am also drawn to the statement in 1060 Re alignment, just seems performative. OK it’s not even tangible but it sticks in my mind.

What part of it? I can try and comment

I thought that was obvious, but right now to me its not important, vote Elements please

Nah

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven’t read further than page 10 but I don’t like Black and Titus repped black so I’d rather that than Elements

VOTE: Titus

[JacksonVirgo]

Got called into work won’t be able to finish my catchup before EoD, I don’t want to but I won’t be mad to get off and see I’m elimmed so go wild but I do prefer Titus and idt Elements is wolf so Id prefer anybody but

[JacksonVirgo]

:neutral:

I haven’t read further than page 10 but I don’t like Black and Titus repped black so I’d rather that than Elements

VOTE: Titus

Meh this is a bad vote late on D2 on a player who is obviously not getting limmed

the replace-ins almost made me forgot that Jackson/Afrayed is a real possibility

How tf would I know who can or cannot be limmed, and why would I even care? I wanna push who I think are wolves not conform to who you all believe are wolves

[JacksonVirgo]

Also me acknowledging I could hammer yo self pres but I’m not

[JacksonVirgo]

Take that as you will

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah, but if I do go out check peoples consistency EoD2

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah, but if I do go out check peoples consistency EoD2

Why would you not hammer when it's you or knott?
Not hammering is literally asking to be limmed

Because I don’t care to?

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah, but if I do go out check peoples consistency EoD2

Why would you not hammer when it's you or knott?
Not hammering is literally asking to be limmed

Because I don’t care to?

You think knott is town?

I don’t actually care

VOTE: knott just wanted to wait it out

[JacksonVirgo]

Yo drew, you listen to Darko perchance?

[JacksonVirgo]

Just pure balls to the wall with this lineup. Elements being Town is good enough for now (haven't read further than page 10 still). Titus seems most likely wolf still through their pred and I haven't seen like fuck all from Kyo so one in Drew/Kyo.

I didn't really have the motivation to put work in during the night but I will do so now daylight has breached my retinas

[JacksonVirgo]

I hate backreading

[JacksonVirgo]

'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna refer to players as if they're in the game and when I see the host's posts that they repped in I'll switch up who I am referring to. I may also accidentally send this message when I'm not finished writing each section. I will be mostly ignoring the posts of those that have died.

Spoiler: Page 10 Conclusions

I forgot to do my traditional thing of writing my stance per section so I'll put that here. My general solve will always be the lowest two people, if two people are in the same tier the person on the left is who I think is the townier of the bunch regardless of which side they're on.

These are also a mix of pages 1-10 as well as the current gamestate, I am not sure how to easily seperate the two for you all to understand my general progression so just deal with it I guess.

TR:

Elements

TL:

NT:

Drew

NS:

Kyouko

SL:

Titus

SR:

Spoiler: Pages 11-20

Black's 254 doesn't feel like they're giving Elements the light of day, throws shade (for lack of a better term) onto Elements for their weird progression, Elements posts a response and then instead of doing anything with it, they decide to just pull apart the wording in a useless and non-productive way? I don't really like the direction that they're going with. Gamma's response (251) in comparison was one that took Element and saw them for what they are, which if Elements is Town like I believe is a good sign I think rather than ignoring that and letting Black drift, but back what Black exactly did it feels like a "that didn't work, moving on" more than anything else.

Kyo in 268 (and previous posts) being the lead actor in the live action block-buster movie named after the main character "IIOA". Can somebody inform me if they do this in most games they play, I assume it is based on their over talkative nature but just confirming and tie this loose end.

Claps 276 made an argument I tend to in games and that makes me wanna look back over Kyo and see how they're treating Clap from their posts up to 275 but I know that I am very likely not going to do that.

Black's 298 reads as "I want to vote Shadow but I can't just do it and leave, I gotta add other stuff on top of it".

Element's response to Cook's read on Black being wolf in 306 feels incredibly genuine. They wanted to get to know the true reason Cook had this read, because they had reason to counter the former but didn't assume. They acted in a way that opened the discussion up rather than acted to shut it down.

Also the talk around 319 it's almost never about the actual naked votes but more so the energy and intent behind it, a lot of the game is about reading intent moreso than reading into the actual direct content. Good scum don't typically say scummy shit, and Town don't always say townie shit.

Black/Kyo cross-voting each other as of 365 is something worth noting, considering if it was planned, Black would probably have kept their vote on their partner so that true cross-vote happens but they didn't. They were fluid about their votes, and ended up on D&D before Kyo came in to vote Black. So if it's SvS it would have to be unplanned and just naturally coming from a "we should distance" general mindset/game direction, I'm probably in the mood to think this isn't SvS so if I'm falling into their theatre I will feel so much shame, but that also makes me uncomfortable in the sense I gotta drop Drew, not that I can't drop drew I just want him town gosh dang it. Also that would lean into a Black is bussing as of this point in the game, I will keep an eye on how they go about pushing the wagon they're on.

Although Black's response to Kyo's response (bloody word salad), was pretty bad. So based on Kyo's response purely and the vote patterns are what I'd use to argue not SvS but if we weigh that vs the other logic properly I'm not sure where it lies. Kyo did well here if it's SvS (planned or otherwise).

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Between reading, Black is obviously my SR at the moment. But removing that from my head, assuming they are Town I don't really know where I want to stand tbh. I like Gamma, and I like Elements. It makes me uncomfortable to think of a Drew/Elements world so there's surely scum in Black/Kyo. If they're not scum together, it makes me uncomfortable to see Elements as wolf and I will have to chalk Gamma as a really good wolf and have them as the scum with Black/Kyo and if I can't decide on my confidence on Black or Kyo, optimally Drew should be the lim? Even though I hate that quite a lot. Ugh

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370 actively dislike Gamma's "killing us is optimal". First bad thing they've said.

388 from Black feels like they saw something surface level wolfy and wanted to lower Gob's influence by calling it out rather than thinking deeper, they REALLY wanted it noticed by the colouring when it was not needed. They didn't ask why they thought the way they did, just insta-labelled as not townie which like in the sense of if you give it even a second of thought, there is always reasoning behind a statement like that. Either as a townie, making an argument (they want scum lynched always so opting to not limming a wolf has to have reason) or they're a wolf and making an argument as such is a really stupid thing unless again, there's reason behind it. Black once again proving they're pushing for an agenda rather than playing to solve.

460 goofy ahh vote retraction from Black, fit exactly what I was expecting which is depressing. Says it is sus but unvotes instead of moving to shadow, zzz.

TR:

Elements

TL:

NT:

Kyo

NS:

SL:

Drew (reluctant)

SR:

Black

[JacksonVirgo]

'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

i wanna know if anyone is going to cc me

I will wait to catch up to respond back to this

[JacksonVirgo]

'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

i wanna know if anyone is going to cc me

I will wait to catch up to respond back to this

if you don't think the pr should claim im interested as to why

They can claim if pushed, no reason to right now. Give them the choice, don't make it for them.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also me trying out the "removing null as a read" strat I just made up to force me to make a stance

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Pages 21-30

Black back on the "lets discredit people train choo choo" in 515 enough to be like, if this is what they do regardless I want to know this now rather than later. But they're not here to respond back to me so that's useful

Black immediately dropping Kyo in their reads it seems like to focus on anybody but (referring to 520 is exactly what I was expecting in a Black/Kyo world, which is bringing me back to removing the whole Drew consensus vote (based on my many worldviews not the general consensus of all players) making me more confident we should be voting Black/Titus directly which gives me more confidence we're making it out of the prism realm, I mean D3.

532 "Time doesn't really mean anything", bruh. What is black cooking? It's gonna give us food poisoning. Also them being psuedo-confident in a shadow scum world as of 546 leans back into the scum theatre world I speculated about but as Kyo played well if I am right on that, it makes me really nervous which world path to really go down.

Kyo/Black (601) lining up their votes to Black's solve but one on each is quite the play, it's actually impressive if this was scum motivated vote split. Not saying it is, but would be pretty cool. Would scum right after going for each other's throats line up on the same solve? In a vacuum it feels pretty unnatural but I don't have the context of time and lord knows I don't check the timestamp on the posts.

~~ START OF DAY 2 ~~

720 black throwing shit on somebody for doing what Black themselves have been doing all of Day 1.

TR:

Elements

TL:

NT:

NS:

Drew

SL:

Kyo

SR:

Black

[JacksonVirgo]

Not sure if I'm getting like blinded by my hatred for catchup or EoD1 was just a waste of space on MS's database

[JacksonVirgo]

Also this game is an absolute blast to play, I haven't felt this level of nervousness around which direction to go down in a long ass time

[JacksonVirgo]

@Elements

, as you're here rn. Where do your reads land you

[JacksonVirgo]

Might speedrun the rest of the catchup, respond directly via quote if necessary

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t think any of this is faked but I don’t see how this is clearing. I have had sorta similar experiences as scum, where I’ve been entirely indisposed and my slot was eliminated in that period, and it was very frustrating.

@Drew

, if you don't see this as AI at all. And you see it from scum frustration too, why would Cook then claim VT instead of not claiming and just venting frustration.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Elements

I don't really put much stock in meta-reads, not that I've played with Kyouko much at all regardless, and honestly with the way she's responded to both me and you I feel she's fairly townie. I'm standing by what I said in 861.

861 was a post by Kyo.

Not sure I get your progression on her.

Cheap ass reason to conf-bias myself, but would scum genuinely try and follow the progression in Drew's shoes?

[JacksonVirgo]

yoink

@mod I'm gonna take 1000 when it comes around

You failed, how pathetic.

[JacksonVirgo]

Love you tho <3

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo replaces Cook.

The deadline is now unfrozen. The new day deadline is in (expired on 2023-12-28 14:42:34).

Omg who's this sexy fella that just replaced in?

[JacksonVirgo]

This is slow.

You keep saying this but you're doing nothing to change it

[JacksonVirgo]

Looking at Jackson I am also drawn to the statement in 1060 Re alignment, just seems performative. OK it’s not even tangible but it sticks in my mind.

Mwahahaha ur dead and now can't argue this anymore >:D

[JacksonVirgo]

Because if rather lim you. As it gives everyone better info.

We both had similar thoughts on the right direction of the game, sad that it was either me or you brother.

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, caught up. Tempted to vote to force the gamestate in the direction I want it to go in rather than risk a townie doing a vote I hate.

[JacksonVirgo]

As I didn't get the backwards feedback of general play I won't vote as I am in the prime position to fall into confirmation bias, but I ask that nobody votes

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, caught up. Tempted to vote to force the gamestate in the direction I want it to go in rather than risk a townie doing a vote I hate.

currently I want to vote Kyo

Mhm, who would be Kyo's partner

[JacksonVirgo]

Also have you read my catch-up and saw anything you disagree with? I'm mostly asking about Black but I'm wanting thoughts on anything I can get thoughts on

[JacksonVirgo]

Also have you read my catch-up and saw anything you disagree with? I'm mostly asking about Black but I'm wanting thoughts on anything I can get thoughts on

This is directed at Elements but I'm wanting this from everyone

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm scuming all three of titus/kyo/drew I'll be honest

You and me both

(although drew is just there cuz of the Kyo v Black stuff, I do think isolated he's townie)

[JacksonVirgo]

you bit about Black's push on me not looking like it was going anywhere so she backed off hadn't occured to me but it does fit with what happened. Black has played a few games with me recently and I'm fairly easy to mislim so I thought as scum she might not let up for that reason, but I can also see her not expecting me to turn around and bat back so that could've thrown her for a loop so she thought it'd be better to step away

Yeah, if I rehash what I was saying now that I've caught up. It read to me as like Black made an argument they had thought was going to stick, you countered it by stating what you were referring to and then when Gamma popped in, it threw what Black said into the void essentially. And their reaction is one of which they feel like they want to keep the stance they made (aka scum agenda, making an argument to fit a viewpoint rather than making an argument bcuz a thing was scummy) but went to give up hence the "Ok, it's a stretch but ok".

[JacksonVirgo]

If this was the NKA/VCA analysis I kinda skipped over that because I feel that stuff is always built around an assumption of what X thing means rather than knowing that it actually means that or not.

[JacksonVirgo]

But if you want me to look back over that I can do that

[JacksonVirgo]

Regarding votes, I think Kyo/Black splitting votes on Black's solve (aka the consensus read) right after voting each other is what would benefit a black/kyo pairing. As it protects them both in terms of any wagon shifting between the two, it keeps them separated/distanced + the fact they came to the same conclusion so soon after "cross-voting" each other I feel is too good to be true. This vote split is where their votes stayed for the rest of the day, which I feel is a more practical viewpoint into the VCA than the whole on/off wagon logic I can understand but not really follow (I read it over)

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum killed on the wagon so there's likely only one scum on it. The only remaining off wagonners and me and Kyo (gob obviously excluded himself) so one of us is red.

Why could they not have killed because Clap was clearly town?

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel both kills (Clap + Gob's successor) can easily be chalked up to "they were townie as fuck" so any NKA is kinda going to be thrown out the window for me

[JacksonVirgo]

Regarding votes, I think Kyo/Black splitting votes on Black's solve (aka the consensus read) right after voting each other is what would benefit a black/kyo pairing. As it protects them both in terms of any wagon shifting between the two, it keeps them separated/distanced + the fact they came to the same conclusion so soon after "cross-voting" each other I feel is too good to be true. This vote split is where their votes stayed for the rest of the day, which I feel is a more practical viewpoint into the VCA than the whole on/off wagon logic I can understand but not really follow (I read it over)

I don't fully understand this

Black votes Kyo (then unvotes when Kyo gets voted a bunch more)
Kyo then votes Black creating a cross-vote

Shadow puts a vote onto Kyo, which is what made Black unvote and then later vote shadow.
Black gave no real reason as to why they voted off of Kyo, and kinda made it seem like Shadow was wolfy for what he did when it wasn't. It was more of a strawman to be able to pivot off of Kyo I think but regardless.

They both should have though each other wolves, they gave no real reason or progression as to why they wouldn't at this point but they both ended up on the solve of Shadow/Elements and then split their votes (one on one, the other on the other).

As Town, this level of coordination given their thoughts on the other is weird.
As wolves together, this coordination benefits the pair.

Which is my version of VCA rather than the NKA/VCA that gob did

[JacksonVirgo]

If you want me to explain how this benefits the pair (if they're both wolves) I can also do that but idt that's needed

[JacksonVirgo]

Goddamn, ur one hell of a pagetop magnet

[JacksonVirgo]

I thought titus felt similar to when she replaced into this game which could point to being red and fully content with the gamestate of 4 town arguing with each other

Also considering the gamestate is very pro-wolf (no wolf is really caught) it would lean into this even more so.

[JacksonVirgo]

After our discussion I am even more confident in voting Titus but I wanna wait for the other three to comment

[JacksonVirgo]

you bit about Black's push on me not looking like it was going anywhere so she backed off hadn't occured to me but it does fit with what happened. Black has played a few games with me recently and I'm fairly easy to mislim so I thought as scum she might not let up for that reason, but I can also see her not expecting me to turn around and bat back so that could've thrown her for a loop so she thought it'd be better to step away

Yeah, if I rehash what I was saying now that I've caught up. It read to me as like Black made an argument they had thought was going to stick, you countered it by stating what you were referring to and then when Gamma popped in, it threw what Black said into the void essentially. And their reaction is one of which they feel like they want to keep the stance they made (aka scum agenda, making an argument to fit a viewpoint rather than making an argument bcuz a thing was scummy) but went to give up hence the "Ok, it's a stretch but ok".

Thinking back on this, does this mean Black is unlikely paired with Drew? Or is this conf-biasing myself into hell?

[JacksonVirgo]

maybe you are deep wolfing a bit.

Deep wolfing when I was the backup wagon on the last elim?

[JacksonVirgo]

I have listened to them a little, good stuff from the little I listened to. And fun fact, their vocalist is the original vocalist of Lorna Shore!

I did know that ahaha, I haven't listened to much Chelsea Grin which I think he's in too. Their new song is like a techno song that ended up really moving all over the place and I love it, groovy as hell

[JacksonVirgo]

A bit confusing, but I was the Doc and Gamma was the Drew in our hydra.

Oh, so it was YOU that I liked in the hydra. We love that

[JacksonVirgo]

I will be honest, this is really the first thing you have done that makes me question if maybe you are deep wolfing a bit. No chance town should place a vote right now with both scum alive and ready to quick hammer if the opportunity presents itself.

I said that (mostly selfishly) as I didn't want to go down a road in the game that wasn't the road I exactly wanted/preferred. I trust in my own reads, and I see most people here have been like swinging back and forth on the reads I am confident in (mostly on Elements) and I didn't wanna deal with that. I stopped myself from doing that because I realised it's what I wanted to avoid in others but that was what I said that for :)

That and I am confident in Black/Titus as a wof

[JacksonVirgo]

I am not blaming Titus for this, I definitely understand her pov from the game I'm referring to but the last game all three of us played. She voted out of confidence but sadly was wrong, that type of thing which was exactly what I was trying to avoid, but doing so was gonna force that on others but from myself and didn't want that either

[JacksonVirgo]

I am not saying you are deep wolfing, just that I don't get why town would say might drop a vote here.

I didn't say I might, I said that I was tempted. I commented why I wasn't going to in my direct next post

[JacksonVirgo]

That being said, talk to me more about townElements(or just yell at me and tell me where you did today lol).

I believe I answered why in my page 1-10 which applies throughout, I just didn't comment much further because I didn't feel the use in doing so. Overlooking the whole LAMIST vibe that they have going, they're fluid not afraid of backlash and is acting in a way that is undeniably their own stream of thoughts. It doesn't feel like there's a single ounce of agenda in what they're saying. Which is a TL;DR but this should work.

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you disagree?

[JacksonVirgo]

But shit, is it as simple as (Titus/Kyo) or (elements/JV).

The whole simplicity is what threw me off at first as somebody (I forget who, maybe Cook?) at the very least already had this solve at one point or another which made me think perhaps it's conf-bias but then when I took time to view things from an objective lens, assume Black town and see where I land (I did that three times, I just wrote it out once) I came to the conclusion of them paired so I'm confident it isn't conf-bias, or at least conf-bias accounts for only a little of how I am feeling, or I hope so anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you disagree?

No......and I do like their posting today.

I just can't shake that I really felt elements vs Cook as scum v town

And like I just said, paranoia

If you thought them SvT, why is your paranoia solve a pairing of the slots instead

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you disagree?

No......and I do like their posting today.

I just can't shake that I really felt elements vs Cook as scum v town

And like I just said, paranoia

If you thought them SvT, why is your paranoia solve a pairing of the slots instead

Oh shit, I was thinking Afrayed replaced Cook, not you lol.

Lmfao, the replacements do be all over the place

[JacksonVirgo]

I just can't shake that I really felt elements vs Cook as scum v town

So to pick your brain further, you felt Elements was wolf because of a SvT. Where would non!cook JV link up to a solve with Elements exactly that wouldn't also extend to a possibility of any of the other two as well.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, that certainly changes things

Beer certainly beering real hard for you rn

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm mostly curious how Titus/Kyo handle this gamestate

[JacksonVirgo]

Gob's take being the VCA/NKA?

[JacksonVirgo]

Gob can be arrogant and annoying lol, but I felt his analysis was pretty good here, and was at a point when I wasn't too sure of things as well.

And now knowing it definitely was coming from a town perspective I felt good coming into today ready to push elements and Kyo.

And that led me to the paranoia I just described.

Yeah I can vibe with that reasoning.

How much have you read my catch-up?

[JacksonVirgo]

Honestly just skimmed it, my eyes tend to gloss over at long catch ups

It's worse reading the actual game trust me ahahaha

[JacksonVirgo]

Hm, unfortunate that the other two hasn't popped in yet :C

[JacksonVirgo]

Hm, unfortunate that the other two hasn't popped in yet :C

Well here is one..... to tell us they won't be around until Tuesday lol

So Jackson, tell us how amazing or terrible 2024 is

Some attention is better than none, can't complain

re 2024: Fire, carnage, panic. Everywhere ahhhhh

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't really wanna circle jerk a titus/kyo solve when they're the only ones not really speaking so I don't really know what we should be doing here in the interim. I'm not even convinced Titus will really catch up, Kyo will with time but still.

[JacksonVirgo]

I might be a little impatient

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm so glad you said that rather than feeding my impatience lol

[JacksonVirgo]

I might be a little impatient

There are 3 of us, we could vote out Titus now...

We

could

but that's unfair on Titus I feel

[JacksonVirgo]

Also unfair on Kyo regardless of alignment, I'm sure they want a say

[JacksonVirgo]

We should play like tic tac toe in the thread or something

[JacksonVirgo]

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Should have done connect 4 instead lelel

[JacksonVirgo]

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we love an awfully balanced game

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh wait I fell for a classic blunder

[JacksonVirgo]

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I’ll give u the diag cuz it’s cooler

[JacksonVirgo]

Rock paper scissors?

How in the bananas is that gonna work

[JacksonVirgo]

Paper

aww nuts you beat me

[JacksonVirgo]

Elements is just playing 4d chess right now

Go on, you play her

[JacksonVirgo]

We'll do a bracket system, see who ends up on top. Host should play too

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson I've joined you in 24
You were right there's a lot of fire

Fighting for our lives here

[JacksonVirgo]

If neither post in 36 hours, I'm gonna place my vote

[JacksonVirgo]

Which is in (expired on 2024-01-02 13:00:00).
Y'all are on a clock

[JacksonVirgo]

And by post I mean something of substance

[JacksonVirgo]

If neither post in 36 hours, I'm gonna place my vote

And by post I mean something of substance

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Wanna pretend we jumped in a tardis and time travelled 14 hours into the future?

[JacksonVirgo]

If neither post in 36 hours, I'm gonna place my vote

And by post I mean something of substance

Checkswatch.gif

Wanna pretend we jumped in a tardis and time travelled 14 hours into the future?

I hope this doesn't mean what I think it means

[JacksonVirgo]

Guys we should play battleships.

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[JacksonVirgo]

Didn't mean to send this is so sad

[JacksonVirgo]

Didn't mean to send this is so sad

We are witnessing Jackson's descent into madness

This game currently is the embodiment of white room torture

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh yay

[JacksonVirgo]

I am not blaming Titus for this, I definitely understand her pov from the game I'm referring to but the last game all three of us played. She voted out of confidence but sadly was wrong, that type of thing which was exactly what I was trying to avoid, but doing so was gonna force that on others but from myself and didn't want that either

I have zero confidence in this game, other than everyone posting is probably town. A circle jerk saying I'm scum based off my real life isn't anything I can react to and I'm not rereading 40 pages.

Nothing about what I personally scum-read your slot for was about your real-life, even throwing all "inactivity" out the window I stand what I stand

[JacksonVirgo]

I forgot PRs are in this game

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you pick elements to try to kill them, or protect them?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also what's your current suspected solve

[JacksonVirgo]

Not Elements for "PR-hunting" and not committing to actually claiming?

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're Town, curious if scum will CC you and take the hit of wrath of my pure and unadulterated focus

[JacksonVirgo]

Like I'm used to more players. I should read the ISOs of the dead tmo.

The dead?

[JacksonVirgo]

Not Elements for "PR-hunting" and not committing to actually claiming?

His PR hunt was at the start of today...and we should massclaim today but I figured y'all were doing VTs by implication.

I would never claim one way or another unprompted, regardless of gamestate. If I don't see the direct use I won't be doing it, guess that's speaking in retrospect though so it's useless to say

[JacksonVirgo]

Like I'm used to more players. I should read the ISOs of the dead tmo.

The dead?

Yes, scum picked this elo for a reason.

I don't believe you'd be able to discern any real meaning outside of townie people dead, scummy people alive.

But if you can, I'm all ears.

[JacksonVirgo]

It's actually kinda weird how my kind of positioning in this limlo is like breezy as all hell but I was the counterwagon yesterday

[JacksonVirgo]

I should have phrased that better, but it doesn't really matter anymore

[JacksonVirgo]

Also me acknowledging I could hammer yo self pres but I’m not

@JV Why didn't you hammer at this point?

A few reasons. I wanted to wait it out, didn't see a reason to hammer + forgot hammer is a requirement here for an elim

[JacksonVirgo]

How/why did you forget a hammer is required for an elim, and how/why/when did you remember?

I don't see the importance in this, but I'll answer you anyway. I run a discord mafia server, I only dabble on MS but I frequent there. We usually run plurality setups so just the highest voted gets eliminated even if hammer isn't reached, I remembered cuz someone was like "you prefer no-lim" or something which made me realise it but even then I wanted to wait it out and vote at the last minute, I did feel a little shame for forgetting so I tried playing it off like it was only because I wanted to wait but we ignore that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Quoting to notify you, Titus claimed PR

[JacksonVirgo]

Didn't even wait for Drew to claim or not?

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry elements.

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Yo can you unvote before 2 scum come online at once?

This feels unnecessarily verbose

[JacksonVirgo]

Still waiting for Drew

[JacksonVirgo]

Does that bother you?

If you're referring to me, yes it does. It feels fake

[JacksonVirgo]

Confirming I am here too, so not wolves with Elements

[JacksonVirgo]

This should preclude an Elements/JV team then

Mhm, so where do you stand?

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you are Town and so is Titus, you are on a clock.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you don't try, I'm going to naturally assume you're a wolf flailing when caught

[JacksonVirgo]

Am here, no hammer from us

[JacksonVirgo]

Hm, so I guess Titus is town then. That's awfully depressing

[JacksonVirgo]

Aint no way I'm wrong on both Elements and Drew, if I am holy fucking shit

VOTE: Kyo

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

[JacksonVirgo]

Got a bit ahead of myself there

[JacksonVirgo]

Aint no way I'm wrong on both Elements and Drew, if I am holy fucking shit

VOTE: Kyo

Let's talk.

Titus is town.

We aren't buddies.

These two things we know(I guess maybe someone could say we could be trolling as buddies lol, but I wouldn't let that quick lim chance to pass us by)

I still feel like Gob was on the right path(RE: elements/Kyo)

If you are scum with one of them, then well played GG.

Do you not feel comfortable enough with Kyo as scum here over Elements......or me for that matter?

I mean I aint buddies with Elements either so your solve is easily cut and dry is it not?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I could have very easily gotten Titus eliminated through Elements and my possible buddy Kyo. So really I should be pretty confirmed Town here

[JacksonVirgo]

As Elements was as trigger happy as I was

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you not feel comfortable enough with Kyo as scum here over Elements......or me for that matter?

I'm confident it's Kyo but that doesn't make me confident to end the day early like I was feeling when I was confident in Titus as wolf, things have changed.

[JacksonVirgo]

Realistically I need to solve within the two of you now (Elements/Drew) and as I town-read Elements pretty hard, that's leaning on you on the block if I take my reads as they are

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you not feel comfortable enough with Kyo as scum here over Elements......or me for that matter?

What's with the ellipsis though

[JacksonVirgo]

I might be a little impatient

There are 3 of us, we could vote out Titus now...

Eager enough to get a vote

[JacksonVirgo]

I could have milked that

[JacksonVirgo]

Despite any paranoia I have had, I don't realistically feel you are scum.....but I am fine losing to you if I am wrong(more ellipsis.....)

How come you don't have a title of "Ellipsis Addict"

[JacksonVirgo]

Also if there are any two posts to make my paranoia rise lol

How is that raising your paranoia? Using your words "maybe someone could say we could be trolling as buddies lol, but I wouldn't let that quick lim chance to pass us by"

[JacksonVirgo]

@Titus

can we pivot to solving in Drew/Elements?

[JacksonVirgo]

And you were the one most eager to vote out Titus.....if you are picking up what I am putting down.

I was, but I refrained.

[JacksonVirgo]

Elements wasn't as eager when she claimed.

Pre Edit: You wouldn't milk it, I showed no willingness to lay a vote down

How do you know she wasn't? Also this is a weird place to be talking, if you don't consider me town from that you're welcome to. I just thought that it would mean that, but if it doesn't I can throw that out and play as if I am in the PoE too it's fine.

I would very much milk it, even if you didn't wanna put that vote down as a townie I would still have Kyo as a wolf as the third vote. I just would have needed Elements but even with that being said this is a useless line of discussion.

Do you think I'm a wolf here?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm actually smiling a lot about this, I can't tell for sure but if you're wolf this is a very clear pivot

[JacksonVirgo]

Like how does my last series of posts pivot you away from Kyo here?

I don't give a shit whether or not we vote out Kyo or not, I am just suggesting the route where I get the most satisfaction

[JacksonVirgo]

Also gives me reason to play

this

phase, rather than kill to just play next

[JacksonVirgo]

Having a locked elim never really benefits the Town when it's not the final day

[JacksonVirgo]

Having a locked elim never really benefits the Town when it's not the final day

As there's no real direct influence of any discussions, the discussions get weaker and less involved

[JacksonVirgo]

@Drew

let me ask you to settle your vagueness right now. Do you think I'm wolf. Are you pushing me as a wolf. If so, state it now and not this "if you are picking up what I am putting down" stuff.

[JacksonVirgo]

I can't really deal with things that are up to interpretation

[JacksonVirgo]

I can't really deal with things that are up to interpretation

Makes me want to jump in... to the hellfire ;)

[JacksonVirgo]

I literally said I wasn't willing to drop a vote, and as she said it was us three online at that point......2 votes does not make a lim.

Do you not understand why a JV/Kyo team would only need Elements' singular vote to win? And given what Elements actually said I feel it's very clear they were open to voting Titus in that moment I don't know why you're denying that.

I thought that after I didn't CC Titus and you made the post about us not being buddies it seemed weird, but didn't think much until I saw you make the same type of post when about Elements......so ya, I did pivot when I looked back to see how eager elements actually was to lay a vote.

Why would I not post like that? I'm making sure that if things go south, the scum can only pivot so far. What's the problem with making sure to show people that I cannot be a wolf with another, does that not solely benefit more than harm? Unlike some, I'm not locked into a particular vote and I am almost never under the assumption that the gamestate will remain stagnant, why should I play assuming it will even though something I can do right now can add more into a later discussion if it does change, that could put wolves in a tighter position than if I didn't do what I did.

Do you actually think Kyo is scum? I mean, I would think voting out scum(even if me) would give you the most satisfaction.

I just labelled them almost confirmed scum so yes, I believe they're scum. I don't know why you said the latter bit here.

Please explain this

I believe I did in subsequent posts but if you still want me to, let me know

[JacksonVirgo]

I know why you'd be denying it as a wolf, I just don't want to talk to you as if you were a wolf because if I'm wrong then it locks me in a losing viewpoint

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like I posted this video in a previous game.

But the Lorna song that got me hooked, and this is the vocalist now in Darko/Chelsea Grin

The breakdown in this song is

[JacksonVirgo]

The three online was you, me, and Elements.....this was the part where Kyo and Titus were MIA

Elements said that at 8:14am AEST.
Kyo was here at 6:29 AEST.
Kyo said they didn't have their "full desktop attention", implying they were still accessible for plans such as this.
And even if they weren't, this was not said as an argument to town-read me more so a statement I made because I thought it was clear I was town from this but I do not care whether or not you believe this to be valid or not. I can throw this out entirely and not have a care in the world, so I'd appreciate if we don't go in circles about something I really do not care about.

Wifom, you want to make sure it is known, from my perspective at least, that you just want it out there that you possibly couldn't be the wolf here.

Of course I want it known I couldn't be wolf in the situations where I can't be a wolf, who wants to be known as a wolf in any world? And since Kyo made the argument that "once two wolves enter the thread I'm toast" (not exact wording) it likely made me want to say it more but I don't remember what I was thinking at that moment.

You said the you didn't give a shit if we voted out Kyo ot not, just what wanted to give you the most satisfaction.

I don't give a shit as in I don't really care if we do go with Kyo today, I'm never going to fight against it but I prefer to solve within you both this phase as I am within my rights to do. Flipping a confirmed wolf is just delaying solving you/elements in my head, and since having a locked elim hinders conversation it's going to be a slow drag only to end up in the position where I have to solve you both properly, thus it's not as satisfying.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson not scum

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like I posted this video in a previous game.

But the Lorna song that got me hooked, and this is the vocalist now in Darko/Chelsea Grin

The breakdown in this song is

The first chorus is what really drew(heh) me in, the black metal blast beats were

Speaking of blast beats, I can't get over the blast beats in this song. Especially in the breakdown
Not Lorna but I'm sure you're not just into one band lel

[JacksonVirgo]

Also in the world where I die tonight, which I doubt now but this was me thinking I was universally town-read, I like to control the direction of the game as much as I can before dropping out. If I can end the game with only a confirmed wolf left, I feel no anxiety (with the uncertainty) if dead.

[JacksonVirgo]

Right now, I am thinking Drew last scum.

As am I but there are a few things that don't really make sense from a scum!drew world which I want to iron out, not saying what just yet

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm mostly thinking back to when I was impatient regarding wanting to vote you, and Elements stated their desire to as well (although Drew denies this). Drew shut it down instead of letting that simmer as it would have massively benefitted him if I got too impatient and voted, and he wouldn't even have to be at risk of it coming back on him as I was the one that "strong-armed" that

[JacksonVirgo]

I can probably easily chalk that up to just simply playing safe, which I can respect

[JacksonVirgo]

Lmao actually hilarious to imagine that if you weren't a PR, we'd have lost this game

[JacksonVirgo]

Honestly, it feels like Drew has no option but to push that I am wolf and picking everything and all he can to push that even if it's really nothing to push on.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am town-reading Elements pretty substantially and iirc ever since I told Drew that, he switched to be focusing me even after he congratulated me for my game if I was scum. Feels a little jarring

[JacksonVirgo]

The timing is actually laughable.
They congratulate me, aka town-reading me substantially.

I then drop the bomb that I feel he's the wolf if it comes to an Elements/Drew world, immediately "finds" a post I said and switches to me

[JacksonVirgo]

Like the direct next post

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean tbf, what choice does he have if he is wolf there

[JacksonVirgo]

Adding to that, he was ultra vague about it at first. Probably in an attempt to make it seem less spontaneous

[JacksonVirgo]

@Alianna

are you online rn? I don't wish to hammer if you aren't on to process it. Can I even ask this? I mean better than asking a meaningless question as a facade

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Kyo

[JacksonVirgo]

I did not mean to send that whoops, I was gonna write stuff with it. Oh well

[JacksonVirgo]

If this isn't game over (plz god), curious who the remaining wolf chooses to kill

[JacksonVirgo]

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[JacksonVirgo]

I am waiting to see how Drew comes in with this before I state anything I am thinking

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually can I make this entire page just me with a sprinkle of Alianna

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna try and do just that but not spamming obviously. That kill was the last I was expecting from a world with Drew as a wolf, but that being said I put like 2 microseconds of thought into that assumption

[JacksonVirgo]

Thinking a little bit deeper, what would be the optimal kill in a scum!drew world?

[JacksonVirgo]

They wouldn't kill me, that's for sure. I am the person they'd be needing to push

[JacksonVirgo]

Or at least I am the person they chose to push

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna do the pro-gamer route, assume the kill was because confirmed Town and the fact that any town babysitter should abstain in the position Titus was in

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually can I make this entire page just me with a sprinkle of Alianna

I won't give you the satisfaction lol

:C

[JacksonVirgo]

Now thinking in that world, the kill makes sense for either Drew or Elements to do

[JacksonVirgo]

So I am now ignoring NKA, which is the better world to be in anyway as NKA is always iffy at best

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew, you still pushing me I assume?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh we're all here, ain't this ballin'

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm going to be honest and say I probably will not ever vote Elements here, I had a thought that maybe they had been pocketing me but as my conclusion came from logic prior to me replacing in, it's probably safe to assume that the core of my reasoning is pure. The fact I replaced into the game and I went from being the counterwagon to being seemingly trusted was always awkward to me, I believe I called this out in the moment but that feeling was caused by

both

of you as opposed to one so delving into that part of my brain feels unnecessary and would probably land me into conf-bias more than anything which is what I want to avoid. At the moment, I am waiting to see what Drew does as if they vote me anyway there's no real point in me solving the two of you as you'd solve it for me

[JacksonVirgo]

But, why wouldn't scum kill Titus? Maybe there is a world where the actual Babysitter was so confident in Kyo being scum as well and could hold off to claim today to make the hero play???

Pre Edit: Hi everyone :lol:

Yeah I came to the same conclusion overall as I said, but I was thinking if scum!you was paranoid that Titus would think "oh yeah, it's 100% drew Ima just boop this action onto them" but I don't think that's likely even if you are a wolf.

[JacksonVirgo]

I didn't read your full sentence, the hero play argument is silly what?

[JacksonVirgo]

I came to the conclusion it's useless to talk about because Titus is the type of player to abstain from making her night-action be a kingmaker

[JacksonVirgo]

Tl;Dr neither of you are obv here, but your posting yesterday still rubs me the wrong way

Alright, can I delve further into why it rubs you the wrong way?

[JacksonVirgo]

Generally I was like "Why would Drew kill Titus, when they were a Babysitter that had you as the final wolf" but that was a rogue thought I had thought about in 2 microseconds as I said but disregarded it pretty quickly

[JacksonVirgo]

I just checked back in the game that I felt I was using to affirm that Titus was one to prefer holstering (I was babysitter that holstered) but it wasn't Titus like I had thought that responded to me but it was pisskop and hu tao but like in all seriousness it doesn't matter.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why are you towning me again JV?

If I were to try and put it in words in the moment, the biggest thing to me is that you've shown yourself to be incredibly fluid, not really "held down" to a particular way of thinking. Your sporadic votes in the early game is probably the easiest example to bring up as as far as I understand wolves would generally be more conservative with that for reasons I shouldn't really have to explain. Even if you are one to vote sporadically as a wolf, the tone you showed doing so was that of which you had absolutely no fear in the backlash, which is townie. You've been consistent in this manner for the entirety of the game, you're okay with saying things that would otherwise be something that a wolf likely feels a bit cautious about, I get none of that from you and you've been consistent about it. A more recent example I can call upon is the fact you soft-claimed a PR, but when Titus claimed you did not full-commit to that like you very much could have done and won last phase but you didn't do it. It proves to me that you again do things in the moment without the fear of backlash.

[JacksonVirgo]

We've also aligned in our ways of thinking which has always been +town to me, even if that's a flawed way of thinking (I don't actually know) it's never really done me wrong.

[JacksonVirgo]

You never humoured me when I asked why you felt the way you did Drew

[JacksonVirgo]

You never humoured me when I asked why you felt the way you did Drew

About what?

Why those posts are so bad to you

[JacksonVirgo]

If you don't mind, can you repeat it

[JacksonVirgo]

I just fail to understand how you can drop a read you had as quickly as you did over a single thing I do that I personally don't understand how you see as scummy to begin with. It feels off, I want to understand you

[JacksonVirgo]

That was a mouthful

[JacksonVirgo]

I just fail to understand how you can drop a read you had as quickly as you did over a single thing I do that I personally don't understand how you see as scummy to begin with. It feels off, I want to understand you

Why I am gonna just ignore what I see? I am not gonna be stuck in my reads when new info presents itself. I explained how when you made a point that when elements and I were online with you a quick hammer didn't happen really sent the red flags off. Up to that point I just thought I had general paranoia with you, but that switched to being scared you ACTUALLY are scum here.

I'm not saying you have to ignore what you see, I'm asking you to explain

why

those messages sent red flags, paranoia is not a why. Are you thinking I'm a wolf because you are scared I am wolf? Is that the entire reasoning?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm speaking matter of fact, asking you outright.