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vote : sotty7
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In post 57, Empire wrote:Hmmm,Nacho, why did interject regarding Grey's vote on Sotty before she'd posted?
Like you. You're interesting. You think.
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You have 32 fucking posts for that
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Your ISO is a wasteland
A vast tract of sand and sun, devoid of life
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In post 105, Empire wrote:I'm annoyed that I only have two townreads so far on page 5 (ZZZX and ABR) and it somehow feels like not much is going down. I wonder if this is the result of rust or the fact that half this thread is two guys or my general antsiness. Or a combination of all three.
(Bigger post coming up next after I finish rereading and thinking.)
We are missing EddieFenix, Hoopla, Sotty7, and Seraphim's post was such a non-entry that it actually might have removed information from the thread. He's my vote for coasting scum by the by.
But two of those were names I twigged as likely to token scum, alongside you and Nacho. Especially Hoopla, as tokening scum in this setup fits her profile.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Your "townhunting" theory and townblock are so incredibly bad that one cannot believe you came up with them unbiased.
Nightless games inevitably snowball. See Camden, or my setup I designed with Hito. At the moment we have 4 mislynches to town loss, but after a single scum lynch we get a spare mislynch. 5 mislynches is nice. Two scum die, and we get 6. That's really nice. 3, and we get 7 fucking mislynches, and if we manage that we should all quit the site.
So the scum are going to be looking to vote as a block. I smell protectionist scum who wish to work together.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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None. We're actually all flying solo at the moment. Our QT is 3 pages long, and two of them are chatting with Zoraster.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Interesting.
Why would you say "tokens" is bullshit? They give you an enormous ability to influence your role PM. The idea that we should simply ignore this seems ludicrous.
But even more than that, you've won today's lottery!
In post 112, Sotty7 wrote:Because "tokens" is bullshit and voting me over Hoopla in that respect is even worse.
So my reason is shitty, but even if it wasn't, I should have voted Hoopla rather than you based on it?
Congratulations! You win a noose!
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In post 114, Sotty7 wrote:You claimed to be voting me because I was likely to use tokens to make myself scum. That is untrue, it is pretty well known I favor town if any tokens were to be spent on me it would be in that direction as Nacho hinted at. Not only that but you said that Hoopla was more likely to push a token scum draw than myself yet your vote is on me. Why me over her? You're going after the weaker of the two options you listed for yourself and that's not the GreyICE I remember at all.
You remember me? Interesting. What game was that, to give you such a strong impression?
As for recent play experience, I'll save your team the digging - I've been semi-retired for ages. I think the last game I played with Hoopla was like a year ago. My work schedule, moving, and a whole lot of shit has fucked my ability to commit to mafia.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Wow, I had forgotten that tiger eaten abortion of a game.
Why do I think you would spend tokens on your scum play? It's literally legendary. Believe it or not, I don't think that the tokens were spent "counterintuitively" very often. You'd hardly be the first returning player to take scum (mith himself did it in the first one).
Why you? I wanted to see how you'd respond. Hoopla just complains that everyone always finds her scummy, she'll pop up with some theory blather in a few days. I was hoping you'd be more interesting. And you were.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 125, Sotty7 wrote:I think GreyICE is really stretching my scum game and is choosing to ignore my actual preferences to make his vote fit.
I apologize that I caught you for the wrong reasons. It was quite terrible of me. In my defense, you hadn't posted yet. Since you started posting, you've given me so many better reasons for voting you.
You're totally fucking scum. You seriously want me to vote Hoopla rather than you over a reason you think is "bullshit"? You talk about remembering me not "going after the weaker of the two options" and the only game we played together was that hideous abortion where me and Reck ended up yelling at each other for most of day 1 and then the site crashed?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Words from the peanut gallery are, to paraphrase: Empire likes playing as town and this looks like town empire, and:
In post 114, Sotty7 wrote:You claimed to be voting me because I was likely to use tokens to make myself scum. That is untrue, it is pretty well known I favor town if any tokens were to be spent on me it would be in that direction as Nacho hinted at. Not only that but you said that Hoopla was more likely to push a token scum draw than myself yet your vote is on me.Why me over her?You're going after the weaker of the two options you listed for yourself and that's not the GreyICE I remember at all.
Well, "why me..." (finishing the quote should be left as an exercise to the reader) Nacho, I know you subscribe, what do you think now?
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And that's terrible.
Nacho is probably town. Although wordy. I think Team Mafia is bringing out the wordy, and not sure I'm loving it.
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Sotty, you lying sack of scum, you are PATHETIC at this.
My opening vote was to get a read on you. And it fucking worked. You came in here and you launched this pathetic whine where you claimed my vote was illegitimate and tried to get me to lynch Hoopla.
A hundred posts later? Same fucking tune. Same. Fucking. Tune.
Why? You're not trying to sense my alignment. You're looking for weakness. I? I was trying to sense your alignment. And now I know. Now I know every. Little. Detail.
You are scum, and you will be lynched today. This is the end of the line, Sotty, the death tunnel, the white void. Fucking prepare yourself, because if you think MGS was me getting you killed, you ain't seen NOTHING yet.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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(Well that was interesting)
Now why have I done what I've done town? Let me tell you.
See, it all started when LLD got her role PM for the theme game. She spent two tokens for scum, and got it. Alongside Katsuki and Who. Now, if you look at the player list for the game, and said it was a "choose your side", you'd probably guess 2 of the scum, maybe 3. All before the game started. Five tokens, four players. What's the ratio of people who like town to people who like scum? 3:1? Around there? Sounds right. And what's the ratio of town to scum? 3:1? And Zoraster. Zoraster wants his mechanics to matter, far beyond what's sane, sensible, logical or balanced.
What if, I wondered, what if half or more of the scumteam were people who spent tokens on scum? What if the people who you would expect to spend tokens on scum mostly did, and the people you would expect to spend tokens on town mostly did, and the people who didn't care didn't spend tokens? What if half or more of the scum were people who spent tokens on scum?
So, who would those people be? Hoopla? Maybe. She's damn good at it. Sotty? A legendary scum player, back for a swan song? Possibly. (I also had Empire down for some reason, which my team assures me was wrong - he prefers town) This seems like an interesting spot to begin poking. Oh, and what a fun time it was.
In post 112, Sotty7 wrote:In post 25, ZZZX wrote:my goal right now is to build a town bloc of any size. if we get that in a nightless its basically impossible to lose
I like this thinking. There are several players I am more than willing to bloc up with. (Hoopla, ABR, Nacho, Empire)
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Because "tokens" is bullshit and voting me over Hoopla in that respect is even worse.
Look at this post friends. She's willing to town bloc with the mystery lady who hasn't posted yet - and then says Hoopla is more likely than her to token scum? Town-Sotty would have only bad information regarding Hoopla's alignment. Yet here she is, ready to ally up. This is BEYOND strange. Does this look like scumhunting? Townhunting? Well, you draw your own conclusions, but didn't look that way to me. Looked like good old fashioned blending in.
In post 114, Sotty7 wrote:You claimed to be voting me because I was likely to use tokens to make myself scum. That is untrue, it is pretty well known I favor town if any tokens were to be spent on me it would be in that direction as Nacho hinted at. Not only that but you said that Hoopla was more likely to push a token scum draw than myself yet your vote is on me. Why me over her? You're going after the weaker of the two options you listed for yourself and that's not the GreyICE I remember at all.
This post? This post was fucking weird too. The only game we played together was a train wreck that got eaten by tigers. It's not "like me" to push someone to see how they react? What would lead her to think that? In fact, I still don't know. She didn't have a good answer for it.
So what was that line? It's not scumhunting, because it's false. It's a total lie. The game I played with her I was certainly no paragon of scumhunters, and I have never been shy with pushing people to see how I react. What is it? It's an attempt to make me look scummy because I'm "not playing like the GreyICE she knows".
In post 208, Sotty7 wrote:ICE has made a weak vote and despite points to the contrary he has continued to sow his opening vote as legit. None of his points have any merit and instead of adjusting his attack or pushing in a different way he just continues to repeat that I'm caught scum event though his theroy works better for Hoopla who is actually known for gambiting. I could believe she spent tokens on either alignment in this game. At this point I'm just worried I'm letting myself get pulled in by GreyICE and I would really like to see Hoopla post.
My opening vote was legit. And now you're "worried" I'm pulling you past Hoopla, the woman you wanted to town-bloc with back in your first post of the game?
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In post 215, Metal Sonic wrote:umm dude I don't actually think you can talk about the theMe game
Given it's public information, not going to ignore it. There's no tokens in the current version, so it's not like it gives away anything about current alignments.
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You didn't bother to read past the first line of the post dude. That's just sad. That's just completely and utterly sad.
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In post 234, EddieFenix wrote:In post 231, GreyICE wrote:You didn't bother to read past the first line of the post dude. That's just sad. That's just completely and utterly sad.
It's like bargain basement benmage.
I read that entire post, and you're assuming things. That's what's sad. Completely and utterly sad.
You read the entire post, and decided the most important thing was the question at the fronf, and that tokens were worth ignoring despitehard evidencethey weren't?
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Well for one I wrote up an entire nice post about why Sotty's rubbed me wrong far beyond tokens.
For two, wqierts, ABR, nacho, you are town.
Hoopla's entrance was super notinteresting. Like almost deliberately so.
Eddie is either not reading what I'm saying or pretending not to. He's used that to ignore the rest of the game.
Wolf wagon is weak, but people on it are town. That's enough for a vote in a setup like this, but I have more axes to grind on people Before the day is out.
Oh zar likes scum more than empire. His non posting is making me sad. Empire was townish thoigh, so that gets some cred. Think the switch wasn't about this game, but WHO switched might be.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Oh yeah, you're town. That was super obvious.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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So "mediating" this town means, and I quote:
In post 224, Hoopla wrote:i abstain from the greyice and sotty argument.
Such mediate.
I wouldn't mind either juicy analysis or just plain old scumhunting. Or you just claiming scum, it would help the cohesion of the town, and is always a solid option. But the only thing I can think of your entrance is you sat down with the biggest bowl I ever saw and had some personal time right before posting.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Actually no wait, Hoopla knows what I know, she's town.
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Okay, but seriously, Silverwolf? I'm not in love with the wagon, Hoopla. If we look at the wagons:
Sotty7 (3)- GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic (3)- Zar, Seraphim, wgeurts
Kagami (3)- Nachomamma8, Hoopla, ZZZX
GreyICE (2)- Sotty7, EddieFenix
wgeurts (1)- Kagami
Sotty wagon is all town, Kagami/Silver wagon is all town, MS wagon is... okay, why is that actually still a fucking thing? Remove my wgeurts town read, that wagon is a dumpster fire.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Yeah, I'm fine with that, because I know why. Come on here, this ain't either of our first rodeos, and I actually have a track record of figuring out your logic, even if I got lynched for it (for some truly terrible play as well, to be fair) in the first team mafia.
But if our house lands on someone who isn't the wicked witch, it may be a very nice house, but it's not very effective. You really sure Silver is the choice of the day? Because let me tell you, I am not.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Oh god don't TELL them optimal play.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Also I consider this game lost if it hits 6:4 or 5:4 with 90% certainty. My goal here is a day 1 scum lynch, with day 2 as backup (6 of 7 is slightly easier than 7 of 8).
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In post 280, Hoopla wrote:In post 277, GreyICE wrote:Oh god don't TELL them optimal play.
you're underestimating the collective knowledge of the scumteam. four people in this team and then a crew of teammates with eyes on the game. scum already know how to play optimally.
But not from a graphic discussion. You can have all the discussions you want in your little caves, but when it becomes gestalt wisdom then it's much easier to internalize. People still panic and follow the flow, I've watched scum bus when they actually had equal numbers to the town because of the force of panic.
Regardless, is what is. I'd have preferred to find scum and THEN trust in my ability to direct the house, but here we are. Terms have changed. We can play by your rules. Although I still like my vote.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 284, ZZZX wrote:In post 273, GreyICE wrote:Sotty wagon is all town, Kagami/Silver wagon is all town, MS wagon is... okay, why is that actually still a fucking thing? Remove my wgeurts town read, that wagon is a dumpster fire.
Do you believe someone alignment is different because his voting was not what you agree on?? I find that mostly a town point as scum doesnt like to stand out on those kind of stuff.
It's not about "disagreeing" it's about how they're voting.
For instance, Silver is a wagon I don't agree with, but the people on it are town. Look at their reasoning.
Look at the votes on MS please:
In post 37, Empire wrote:Vote: Metal Sonic
In post 18, Metal Sonic wrote:i looked at this playerlist and i decided to not put any tokens lol
Playerlists were revealed after token submissions and alignments were assigned. So how did you come to assign your tokens after the fact?
(Nacho, you better be town here and make this way easier for me.)
In post 61, Seraphim wrote:I'm here.
Vote: Metal Sonic
If I can make this happen, it will save me me so many headaches.
In post 139, wgeurts wrote:This bugged me so much I've decided to respond to it:
If you didn't pick this up from the posts I made I'll explain this again:MetalSonic wrote:1. GreyICE and ABR performed exactly the same actions, apart from voting different people and having a different name. Why exactly did wgeurts phrase his post in such a manner: "We're in a nightless and all info is relevant, hiding it is anti-town. I'm going to vote you until you say it was a joke or explain why it's serious." a general sweeping statement "all info is relevant" while not addressing the personal aspects of why he voted ABR.
I don't know ICE however I've played 4+ games with ABR as scum and town. We've had a tendancy to clash in nearly all of these games which led eventually to the mis-lynch of him or me. I wanted to avoid this again so I decided to provoke him into playing out of his usual style. I'm hoping that doing so will lead to play that will reveal his alignment clearly to me. It was a reaction test you can say and two: GreyICE seemed to be making a joke, knowing ABR I however wasn't sure. If you read I also stated it was fine if he just explained it was joke RVS reasoning. In a nightless all info counts, I'm also wanting an explanation for Nacho's vote.
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VOTE: MetalSonic
I do believe I also stated to ZZZX scum would pounce on the stuff you've pounced on as a sort of slayers gambit. You've attempted to falsely frame me, as expected from scum.
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Essentially turn the game into a vengeful? I'm down with that. It's got to be better than trying to put together an all-town wagon.
Fine, if there's 3 or more scum alive and we need every single townie on a wagon to get a scum lynch, I will vote for whoever the last lynched player said, no matter how stupid I believe it is, unless it involves self-voting in LyLo.
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In post 289, Hoopla wrote:In post 288, GreyICE wrote:Essentially turn the game into a vengeful? I'm down with that. It's got to be better than trying to put together an all-town wagon.
The skillset of all townies required to orchestrate a lynch against scum playing optimally on D3/4 is just way too unrealistic for them to all have. Turning it into a vengeful after D2 is surely better odds, because there is guaranteed no scum manipulation. We're gonna sacrifice accuracy compared to a good scumhunter's choices, but there is too high a chance that they're scum to blind trust a good player. Let the guaranteed innocent person choose, even if it seems stupid.
That actually was me seriously agreeing with you. If we whiff on day 1 AND day 2 then it'll be impossible for day 3/4 to be scum lynches without a plan like this.
Of course my real plan is not to whiff on day 1+2, but as a backup, I like your plan.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Hoopla was blatantly aware that the best town strategy was to form a block because otherwise it would be nearly impossible to get solid scum lynches.
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Don't explain my vote? "It's all about tokens". Do explain my vote? "It's just salesmanship!"
I see a person who appears intelligent yet seems incapable of responding to analysis or reasoning. Despite being asked to.
BAAAAAAAA
Vote: Eddie
In post 294, Seraphim wrote:Unvote
Vote: Kagami
My vote should be here, it didn't registered for whatever reason.
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In post 302, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm not entertaining any lynch set up, plan, or letting any mislynchee dictate to me who to vote. Hoopla can advise whatever she wants when I'm not there, but this is my game. Did you know that this setup was my first choice pick? There's no outguessing the mod, setup speculation, NK WIFOM. This is pure scumhunting, an area where I have the upper hand. I can't be killed or silenced. The scum aren't even coming after me yet, they will essentially town confirm me before long. Then their hope will be to endgame me. That's marvellous. The chances of that happening are low like the Canadian Dollar. Welcome to Albert B. Rampage's class in Scumhunting, you will find your syllabus on the left hand side of your desk. Sharpen your pencils, class.
'kay, we're still on the lets lynch scum plan.
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Good. I want more people on the Eddie train. Seven of them would be very, very nice.
I explain my exact reasoning, and you accuse me of "salesmanship" without responding to a single fucking thing I'm saying?
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Conjuring with speculation on the flips of still living players is a stretch even for me.
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By the by friends, my case on Sotty is now terrible. A page ago?
In post 298, EddieFenix wrote:I think Sotty's "inconsistencies," as you so put them, are under my microscope and I'm keeping a very keen eye on them as we move forward. If you're going to say I'm "chainsaw defending" them, you better bring a case to the table then that.
Yeah.
This is why pressure is fun, it's interesting to watch players crack under it.
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I'm not trying to convince you your role PM is red. You know it is, it's a waste of time.
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In post 331, Nachomamma8 wrote:Sorry for being contrary guys!
I still think wolf slot is a fine vote, although a bit less so.
Sotty, unfortunately, is forming up to be an ok vote at this stage.
Seraphim is a great vote.
I'd like to bring Sotty into the game at this point because I find I do best when I have a couple of sounding boards in thread to work with and now that Empire's gone, Sotty is probably the player I feel the most comfortable with, but I'd like her in the game and talking about things instead of letting Grey dictate interactions and her just sitting on the peripheral.
I also love Hoopla's entrance in a "good player" sort of way, although the Eddie vote doesn't seem like the strongest direction we can take at this stage.
I'm not okay with wolf votes.
I'm fine with Seraphim votes, those are awesome.
I hate the timing here with a fiery passion. This is all sorts of badwrong.
If we lynched (Eddie, Seraphim, Sotty) I seriously wonder how many scum would be alive. I doubt the total would be higher than 2.
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Fine, he's town.
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In post 336, Albert B. Rampage wrote:G Ice, actually, I'd like you to tell me why Hoopla isn't a great lynch right now. It seems to me that she is.
Mmm, I had some points. But then I thought about it. I will answer your question by Friday.
I am obviously being intentionally cryptic, but I also need to think. And preferably chat with my team here.
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Ooh, this is juicy.In post 354, Kagami wrote:
There are other little things too. I don't believe town greyICE would ever utter "scum caught for the wrong reasons." He's just too smart to believe that.
That's one of my trademark phrases, Kagami. I use that all the time, because one of the best scum tells in the whole wide world is when someone starts bitching that you're wagoning them for the "wrong reasons". "Why me, fry me" is one of the strictest rules in Mafia, and the best. And anyone who says otherwise is a shitter or scum.
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In post 366, Kagami wrote:In post 364, GreyICE wrote:
Ooh, this is juicy.In post 354, Kagami wrote:
There are other little things too. I don't believe town greyICE would ever utter "scum caught for the wrong reasons." He's just too smart to believe that.
That's one of my trademark phrases, Kagami. I use that all the time, because one of the best scum tells in the whole wide world is when someone starts bitching that you're wagoning them for the "wrong reasons". "Why me, fry me" is one of the strictest rules in Mafia, and the best. And anyone who says otherwise is a shitter or scum.
You were Silverwolf? I am starting to LOVE the people showing up to this party with chainsaws.
You're serious? This makes me sad.
Well then, pay attention and you will learn something. I'll start GreyICE's school of how to fucking play mafia, except mine won't be nice and gentle like ABR's.
One of the cardinal rules of mafia is the cardinal rules of any situation where you have a guilty party. Barring utter psychopaths, guilty people know they are "supposed" to get caught. And there's very little way scum can honestly defend themselves from charges of being scum. Of course they were acting scummy, they were scum.When they start grabbing someone else and yelling "well this person was doing it too!" or "you should be going after them if you think that, not me!",especially when they couple that with "And X wasn't really scummy at all"then you can very safely hang them.
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In post 368, Albert B. Rampage wrote:G Ice, read my posts on this page, are you and I of the same mind regarding this game?
Yes. You're my strongest town read, followed by ZZZX, then Empire/Zar (WHO COULD BOTHER TO SHOW UP), then MS. It's too few for the length of the game and how it's going, but it is 5, and 5 is kind of what I want here. I'd be very happy to 5 block there. I don't share your passion on wguerts, but c'est la vie. Something is tickling me there, and not in the best of ways.
As a related note, Shadoweh states that Eddie is probably town, because this level of passion and dedication is unlikely to come from scum. I'm okay with it, but I don't think he's amiable to town blocking. And frankly if he gets boxed, so be it.
Pedit: You're arguing with Silverwolf spot over Sotty cold feet. Le who gives a fuck. Nacho backs out and...
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ABR, the activity around this wagon is getting serious red flag territory. I don't like it. LLD thinks it's shit. Nacho's vote was fine for him to ride out the day or pull to explain it's "pressure". People are setting up day 1, not day 2.
Gimme something new. Literally pick a vote, I will sheep. Something is wrong here. I'm not saying lets not revisit it on a later day, but day 1 this is seriously off. Just please lets not do wgeurts, my team thinks he looks like he's legit trying to figure out the game, and I agree.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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But it's a game of stupid chicken if Sotty is scum. Seraphim has had his vote parked on Silverwolf/Kagami all day, with the reasoning "I believe ABR". Kagami is suddenly absolutely convinced I'm scum, but willing to hang Sotty first, because he likes my points on tokens.
Now they BOTH absolutely agree, without ever acknowledging the other, like some sort of coordinated waltz?
If Sotty is scum then I have town cred for fucking days. It's already been like 4 years since someone mislynched me (THANK YOU FAKECLAIMING FATE) and after a Sotty lynch? You and me would be fucking untouchable. SO WHY ARE MY SCUM READS SUDDENLY JUMPING ON BOARD
I MIGHT BE FLINCHING BUT SOMETHING IS WRONG IN THE STATE OF DENMARK
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Fucking fine. If we can't get a town block, we're already screwed.
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In post 390, Kagami wrote:In post 388, GreyICE wrote: Kagami is suddenly absolutely convinced I'm scum, but willing to hang Sotty first, because he likes my points on tokens.
Nope, but nice try. Sotty is town, you are not. The reason I'm ok with lynching sotty is that there's otherwise zero chance in this gamestate of lynching you, the actual scum. For strange cosmic reasons, a lot of people think you're town and they simply can't all be partners. Once you're lynched, your team has no prayer. As you correctly stated, this setup is a snowball-fest.
And please point me to when I "suddenly" became convinced, because I had you as scum on my first read through.
You were trying to sell me on Hoopla town right here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6727800
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In post 395, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 391, GreyICE wrote:ZZZX, Metal Sonic, and Zar/Empire are all town, we're 100% there, right?
Yes, they are town. I don't want to get to a town block, I don't believe in them. I want a decisive town victory. When the player survey comes up and you see my name, I want that number high baby.
It's not about a block in the traditional sense, some entity easily manipulated through night kills. It's nightless. We need all but one town voting to get a lynch if the scum are going to cold feet us. And without that majority, a townie can never be removed, only endgamed. Four can't endgame five.
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You mean if one of the five is scum, then when we've lynched 3 of the scumteam and 4 townies (a GREAT ratio in this setup) and it's 4:1, the scum will magically gain the supermajority and "work wonders"? Would they perhaps gain a fucking night kill or something to get them out of that mess?
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Really? Who in your peanut gallary? Mala? Iec? ActionDan? Why?
This is the first information you've shared from your peanut gallary. Do tell.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Wait, why are we on a wagon with Sotty
Why is Sotty even on this wagon? The reasoning isn't even paper thin, unless you're buying tissue paper.
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Actually you know what?
It wasn't that thin. I'm fine with this.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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1) Unless ABR goes off the reservation, I'm sheeping him. You may consider him a doublevoter, minus certain fetishes of his I do not share (wguerts, who is a miserable day 1 lynch, and not a great lynch in general). I'd prefer we get it to a quintavoter, because that makes this game so very much more possible, but that will come in time.
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If someone wants an example of "Why me, fry me" it's directly above this postShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Yes, yes, come dance. This is a good dance.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Zar, I'd settle for you playing period.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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The post I owe ABR
So why the Hoopla read? Well initially I was trying to figure out what the hell she was doing. Then what she was doing made sense. It is impossible to win if the town splinters off into a thousand different directions. All you need is two players like Eddie or Wguerts on the town's side, noble crusaders for the banner of Quixote, and the town can't get a lynch together without bussing. Town reads aren't ultra important compared to getting together a block of people who vote together. That lightbulb moment? That's when I switched my read.
The vigging plan is immensely pro-town. If we have two town lynches in a row, it means we can't block effectively enough to get a scum lynch. At that point literal random chance is better than what the town can do. And airing it on day 1 is immensely pro-town. Trying it on day 3/4 when the scum can effectively choose whether to "agree" or "disagree" based on selection is awful. If someone says "great plan!" on day 1 and then on day 3 is like "How awful I'd never do that" then at least we'd have a shot.
That's strong, town analysis.
So why hold off on explaining?
Because it's townanalysis. Shit you could do before you even got your role PM. She knows that I'd be all over shitty analysis from her like white on rice. So if Hoopla pushed the plan and made everyone either agree or disagree (not this weak-sauce shit from Kagami, actual yes/no up/down on it) then we'd get scads of information. Do scum sign on to a pro-town plan? How do they or do they not?
Similarly, if she's building consensus, she'd look to establish a block. 5 or so town votes that work together is immensely powerful in this setup. These are great things. But I don't want to say "Hoopla would do X if she's town" because then Hoopla gets to either agree/disagree and her actions are meaningless WIFOM. I wanted to see what she would do with a few days of free time.
The answer?LURK LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER.
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