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Post #44 (isolation #2) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:05 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 43, Regfan wrote:There should be at least some token discussion up in here (Think it'll be useful now if not will certainly be later in this game/tournament). I used two for town here and wasn't even the biggest hog in our team, Empire took three. Want to know where/how other teams used their tokens.
We can do that later. I'd rather do some good ol'-fashioned RVSing first.
Cheery Dogread was mostly an instinctual response to his opening post's lack of anything. His second post is probably worse, although I initially skimmed over it. The token angle did come to mind but that's not based on much. You should join the wagon, Regfan, you know what happened when you went off on your own last time D1.
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Post #49 (isolation #3) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:35 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
Psyche, I believe in you. You can be the small cat that casts a long shadow.
In post 47, Regfan wrote:Low blow man, low blow. Not a huge fan of RVS'ing and think discussion along token usage and reasoning will be more beneficial long-term.
It'll still be beneficial long-term if we do it two days from now. Respect my scumhunting process, please. I like to imagine I can recapture some of my former glory here.
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Post #80 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:26 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 74, theelkspeaks wrote:Might just be a playstyle thing, might be from playing on another (non-mafia but having mafia games) site with different rules and a meta resulting from that, but I tend to think a quickly building wagon without a solid case, especially at the start of an early day, probably has at least one scum. Don't have good rules for identifying which of the votes is the scum though.
Why would you need rules? Can't you just look at the votes and see if any of them seem off or scummy (e.g. Cheery Dog or from your perspective maybe Bluetoffee)?
In post 79, Llamarble wrote:but neither Regfan nor CES has towned very hard yet.
Were you expecting us to?
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Post #145 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:30 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 130, Llamarble wrote:Nacho assigns Cheery Dog some townpoints for admitting he took a scum token. I'd like to hear more from CD.
Who are Cheery's buddies?
My best guess currently would be 2 of {Ankamius, elk, ika} although I wouldn't be particularly happy lynching any of those currently.
In post 137, Aeronaut wrote:Too much WIFOM to really call it alignment indicitive, I think.
I think the decision to say it probably isn't very alignment-indicative (the token and his play so far on the other hand totally are). If CD felt it was obvious he would take a scum token, he'd probably feel lying about it would make him more suspicious.
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Post #149 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:50 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 148, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Your strongest reasoning for voting in this game right now is that he might have used one token to roll scum? That's pretty weak.
It's not a "might". We know he did.
It's also exactly the sort of reasoning Llamarble gravitates towards. You can be a luddite and pretend this information doesn't exist but don't expect everyone else to.
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Post #151 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:07 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
If you want to insist on pointless distinctions, there's some teensy chance CheeryDog could be scum lying about it (and an even teensier chance that he's town lying about it). That doesn't change the fact that 'marble's argument is most certainly that he did use it and you represented it as being weaker than it really is.
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Post #164 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:44 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 161, Regfan wrote:CES; Empire wants to know you were so forthcoming on the cheery read as that's not how he remembers you being generally especially in the early game.
It all just felt relevant. I also think I've probably grown a bit less concise over the course of the last year or so.
In post 147, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Assuming Empire still reads too many games, I wouldn't mind having a rough guide as to how good at scum each member of our player list is.
He wanted me to say he doesn't read games anymore due to lack of time and he's unfamiliar with a large portion of the rosters meta.[/quote]
I figured afterwards that that was likely to be the case.
Aeronaut, can you have Cabd give me the information that I want?
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Post #197 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:01 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
Hi Antihero, why the switch?
In post 184, Regfan wrote:Fair enough, any of the town reads of mine you disagreeing with at all?
I have no idea where the town read on TTH comes from. Most of her play seems reasonably solid but not all that telling apart from maybe #135 (which just seems weird).
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Post #217 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:18 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 184, Regfan wrote:Also worth stating that my team thinks that Aeroaut fits "Wallflower scum" in that his posts his posts really just leave him in the background but don't think he makes sense with Elk as scum since don't think he'd buss D1 in this setup and more confident on Elk being scum here, want to know what you think of the two of them individually / as potential partners at the moment cause that's kind of messing up our reads a little right now.
I can see your point about Aeronaut although I don't think it's that convincing at this stage. The vote on Elk probably does mean either your conception of how Aeronautscum plays is a bit off or that they aren't scum together (third option is that it's a more deliberate plan but that can be revisited later). But I wouldn't be worrying overly much about pairings at this stage (I can calculate for you approximately how much you should care if you give me consistent probabilities for each player being scum).
Antihero, I still want to know why you and tth switched games.
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Post #261 (isolation #13) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:53 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 241, Cheery Dog wrote:As far as I am seeing, llama currently wants to treat me as a milker policy lynch, and I don't like it.
It's not a policy lynch to lynch someone for being more likely to be scum than everyone else.
In post 253, ika wrote:ok so does soemone have a town case for elk or can we like lynch that slot with fire now?
'Marble's point in #247 is probably the best reason to believe elktown.
In post 257, Ankamius wrote:After speaking with my team about the game state tonight, I believe that all three of the major wagons up to this point (theelkspeaks, Psyche, and Cheery Dog) are on town.
But you don't feel the need to share the reasons why?
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I would suggest thinking of that as the logically equivalent "Llama is town if Regfan is town" because they're both probably town regardless of your silly hang-ups.
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Post #286 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:47 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 272, Regfan wrote:Llama (And CES), I'm not reading the copper related section as a town-tell at all and if you really are I want the thought process behind that explained in super-detail because if their team were following the game and had reads (For instance having TTH as town) then it'd have been mentioned prior to the replace out or have mentioned reads elsewhere by this stage, whole thing looks like trying to add something in the scummy-vote switch post and commenting on a replace out fits.
The specific comment just feels like a non-obvious thing to make up. And then elk immediately connected it to the present situation in a natural way. If elk was just making something up to distract from the Psyche-vote (which, admittedly, is problematic), I would've expected a more generic statement.
In post 272, Regfan wrote:Liked the explanation behind the scum read on Psyche in Post 81 even though I don't really agree with it's conclusion, also liked the way she interacted and treated both Psyche and Ika following that, read as attempting to get content from the to strengthen / get a read (The "game dynamic" element of the Ika weak scum read was something I didn't really like though which Empire also picked up on). It was a fairly weak read though and am sure I'll be able to read Antihero much more confidently (his reaction towards Zach in Post 232 reads town already) but want to see reads from him.
I'd give TTH some townie points for being observant in post 81 if it wasn't solely about Psyche but it is, so it all feels fairly easy for scum to pull off.
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Post #301 (isolation #16) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:32 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 289, Regfan wrote:Just noticed I've got a note from a little birdie that you may have used a scum token in this game, want to weigh in on that at all for me?
No alignment tokens for me. Like Oversoul, I haven't played a forum game in over 10 months and at the end then I was just playing badly as town and not drawing any scum roles. So part of me wanted to draw a scum role for the first time in ages and part of me wanted to draw a town role to get a chance to rekindle my town spark by reliving my finest hour. But then I was also pretty sure too I could quite easily screw up either as scum or town. I wasn't going to spend an alignment token when I didn't have a clear preference and if in doing so I would feel responsible for that choice.
REGFAN wrote:Also any of your team following this game at all - if so would like to hear a bit of their discussion and thoughts on it - especially if there's anything on any of Oversoul/Psyche/Anak.
I remember Patrick saying some things about our game in our skype chat at some point but I've mostly forgotten what he said. Both Channel and Fenchurch haven't read my game at all.
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Post #365 (isolation #19) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:15 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 364, Regfan wrote:(Unlike Llama I'm nowhere near "I have this game solved feeling" yet and Empires p much at the "this game is hard, and bad" stage".)
You know we don't have to actually solve the game, right? I'm just aiming to win it in three lynches and that seems pretty doable.
In post 364, Regfan wrote:don't think it's a hard thing at all to fake/change what the real comment was to "Damn we had him as town!"
The point is sort of that he said something that feels quite a bit harder than that.
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Post #384 (isolation #21) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:43 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 382, Regfan wrote:Solving the game is the fun part, no? Gives me something to do during breaks at work, on the bus, instead of being able to fall asleep. Okay, maybe I'm just crazy but I like to feel like I've got a very good grasp on the scum-team and have a solid group of town reads I'd bank on and I'm not having it this game yet.
*shrug* Given how my last few town games went, just winning with panache would make me pretty happy. And catching the whole scum team feels too hard still.
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Post #401 (isolation #22) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:00 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
It's worth pointing out (for those among us that care) that a scum token will generally more than double your chance of being scum.
I did the calculations for the scenario 1 scum token on Cheery, 1 town token on Regfan, 'marble and Zach each (I'd guess one of Regfan or Zach got two but that doesn't change much) and I did also take into account that I'm town (which makes it slightly less applicable for the three town token players):
Cheery has a 64% chance of scum to start with; regular people have 25% just like in the tokenless game and the three town tokens have 12%.
I also did the calculations for the scenario that on top of that someone else also used a scum token, in which case you get:
62.5% for the scum tokens; 21% for the tokenless and 9% for the town tokens.
Do you want to keep voting for 'marble, Ankamius, knowing that in both scenarios, Cheery Dog literally started the game more than 5 times as likely to be scum as him?
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Post #414 (isolation #23) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:56 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 410, Regfan wrote:CES, didn't realise a single scum-token had that drastic an impact on alignment (Was also expecting the jump to be around 40-50%), we'd only run the town token one (Had worked out the odds of both Empire and I drawing town pre-game was 75% ignoring any other teams token usage) and were still panicking over that. Mina said she wants to try and calculate where your numbers come from when she's not so busy, want to save her some time and just throw out your workings here?
This is a bit awkward but apparently zoraster hid the most important information at the bottom of a long boring post, so I thought the tokens still moved the bounds by 100/80 (I never double-checked previously since our token distribution was fairly straightforward). I was just going to pretend I hadn't made that error since the tokens match up with my reads anyway but I guess I can't do that now.
I'm too lazy to calculate the real numbers given that they'll be uglier now but I bet my previous observation that tokenless people still have 25% of being scum is approximately true, so you should get something like 56% vs 25% vs 15%.
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Post #415 (isolation #24) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:58 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
I did like that Cheery Dog completely ignored it and made a vote on ika which really looks like it's meant as WIFOM for after we lynch CD (even though, realistically, it probably isn't).
In post 413, Regfan wrote:Would be nice if someone could pop in here to bounce thoughts/reads off given I have the next hour or so free finally and all my loser team mates are asleep.
I've got some time!
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Post #423 (isolation #26) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:30 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 417, Regfan wrote:I don't think CD's ignorance of your numbers being incorrect or the argument being presented itself is a scum-tell given there isn't a way for him to really respond without an awkward conversation ensuing (It's also not something he'd care to discuss as either alignment). That said I didn't like the Ika vote, the "annoyed we early wagoned him" doesn't read genuine at all. Still think the timing of Aeronaut vanishing from this game while being super active elsewhere is a much stronger scum-tell ie. After Elks super towny post he doesn't seem to know how to react at all - it's how I've seen scum act several times in this kind of situation.
I do think the ikavote is something you're more likely to do as scum if you feel you're probably getting lynched. I don't really see what Cheery Dog thinks is going to come from that.
In post 417, Regfan wrote:Also what's your read on Oversoul? I found Post 408 townish upon first read through but the more times I've gone over it the more I think it is very fakeable.
I find it hard to judge since I've only been on all-town teams. It's probably slightly townish just for the sheer quantity of Tammy's reads (and I wasn't particularly expecting any from the other captains) even though they're all individually fakeable.
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Post #428 (isolation #28) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:40 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 419, Aeronaut wrote:Uh yea, I actually don't know what the fuck I was talking about; if it were a fabricated fight, then the suspicion would fall under SvS.
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Post #456 (isolation #31) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:18 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
Oversoul, I don't see ABR taking the time to actively coach anyone.
In post 441, Oversoul wrote:For the record, in the last two team mafias, Llamarble has been scum in the White Flag game. Still not entirely sure this is not some sort of big ruse but Tammy says that Llamarble does prefer town and that sort of thing and I am willing to trust him on that.
We did also lynch him Day 2 in the second year. That's definitely worth noting.
Does Oversoul's response (#441) change your mind in that regard?
In post 453, Llamarble wrote:That goes for ika (still hasn't placed a vote) too actually. I don't see why those players are strong townreads for people. Not actively scummy? OK, I buy that. But I see any 'I am super impressed if you wrote this as scum' from them.
I think it's mostly that people expect ikascum to be more obvious and also partly people giving ika credit for some of GIF's opinions. I don't think he looks amazing but if ika is scum, he'll probably get caught at some point.
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Post #461 (isolation #32) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:38 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
I like how in Ankamius' iso, you have the following two posts one after another:
In post 257, Ankamius wrote:After speaking with my team about the game state tonight, I believe that all three of the major wagons up to this point (theelkspeaks, Psyche, and Cheery Dog) are on town.
In post 163, Cheery Dog wrote:I don't think I've found enough town in anybody yet to do that. At least not until you asked. At this stage I think Pysche and Aeronaut.
Scum reads are probably Llama, BBT and elk.
Vote would probably be on Llama, but it's waiting on what may happen with his push on me before it's placed.
Has your reads changed since this post? If so, what has changed?
He really seems very uninterested in having any sort of positive impact on the game.
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In post 423, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
I do think the ikavote is something you're more likely to do as scum if you feel you're probably getting lynched. I don't really see what Cheery Dog thinks is going to come from that.
I'm hoping what comes will be a successful ika lynch. That's pretty obvious isn't it?
And you think that will happen just as a result of you placing a single unexplained vote?
In post 468, ika wrote:are we goning to wagon me again? can i finally do slayers gambit?
If you want to do a gambit this game, you should ask GuyInFreezer for permission first.
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Post #475 (isolation #34) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:43 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
I like that Ankamius' scumhunting seems to mostly consist of one of his team mates having a theory that two obvtown people are scum together. I'd be very surprised if there weren't at least 2 scum in {Cheery Dog, Aeronaut, Ankamius}. The only tricksy decision now is who to lynch first since it would be such a waste if we mislynched D1.
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Post #480 (isolation #35) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:51 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 479, Regfan wrote:Really just need to spend more time figuring out Psyche/Anti more now but feeling much better about my reads and the gamestate now then I was a few days ago.
Anti is probably town. It's hard to exclude the possibility of Psychescum but Ank just looks that much scummier.
I would suggest you look at Ank with an eye of using team mates' opinions in lieu of content/scumhunting. Look at #257 and how he has absolutely no follow-up; he doesn't connect it to anything; he doesn't push against the elkwagon (when he makes his next post, the elkwagon still exists but he's asking Cheery a silly question). If #257 is true, I would think that pretty relevant, but he seems content just to have shared his team mates' opinions. In #466, he does at least criticize Bulbazak's theory on two points but note that his criticism seems to unquestionably accept bulba's scumhunting method; it feels more like he's trying to extrapolate what bulbazak would think than come up with his own stuff; he also doesn't seem to connect bulbazak's theory in any way to any reads he might have - he manages to go an entire theory of you being scum without ever giving his opinion on your play and his conclusion doesn't even seem to distinguish between you and 'marble even though he's voting for 'marble and given reasons for doing so previously.
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Post #494 (isolation #36) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:50 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 486, Llamarble wrote:I have a hard time believing this game won't be an easy town win if CES + Regfan + me are all town and all agree, so please please don't give total control to Regfan / CES if we haven't lynched scum by D3 and BBT / me eat the first 2 NKs.
Yarr. If all three of us are town, we should definitely held to the standard of winning the game within 3 lynches.
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Post #653 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:11 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 651, Ankamius wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if something was lost in translation, but I've playing a hydra game with GIF before and I can't figure out why he would suddenly switch his read on elk like this. The only time I remember him having a sudden read change like that out of nowhere was when he mistook one player for another, and I don't exactly see that being a likely possibility here
Multiple people in this game have made the exact same read change; 'marble even explicitly laid out reasoning for elk being town in #224, shortly before GIF changed his mind.
Anyway, you've wasted enough of our time. Can we finally get our Aerolynch?
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Post #714 (isolation #47) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:11 pm
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
VOTE: Cheery Dog
Aeronaut flipping town was an unpleasant surprise but it also makes Cheery Dog and Ankamius more likely to be scum and I don't see much reason to deviate from the course.
Oversoul, I would've liked Day 1 to have ended earlier, so maybe try voting scum instead?
Elk, I think BBT's push on ika is pretty weird, but it doesn't make sense to twist that into an argument against ika (through the "it's not TvT" theory).
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Post #746 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:21 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 734, Ankamius wrote:Right, so Oversoul's town. theelkspeaks is probably town. I feel okay about Regfan. ika still looks slimy, but I'll wait to see if GIF replaces in and try to read him instead. CES is scum.
In post 695, Zachrulez wrote:I have no idea why Llamarble was killed. My theory of most of the scum being off wagon combines the factors of how scummy Aero looked, how the wagon formed, and where the nightkill was. (With the idea being that scum would tend to kill where they're not hiding.)
Can you go into detail more here please?
Regfan, you must be able to see that 726 is a town-looking post.
Cheery Dog, Regfan is not getting lynched unless he keeps living without winning us the game. He's not close to being a lynch option yet.
What's the basis of that read anyway? Just that one (genuine-sounding) post?
Can we just lynch Ank today? He is so scummy.
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Post #839 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:09 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
I don't think I've been that dismissive of you, Ank. A lot of your play just feels unconnected to the game and I'm going to point that out when I see it. I did the same when Cheery Dog placed his ikavote.
The main thing was just his lack of scumhunting. It is still the #1 scum tell for a reason. The SvT thing also felt a bit like scum getting his hand caught in the cookie jar (in a way that was consistent with the previous point).
But I was suspicious of Aero well before I became suspicious of Ank. I wanted to keep Day 1 going, keeping Regfan and' marble alive, until I felt there was a clear path to victory and the Anksuspicion made me feel that there was. There just wasn't that much to say about Aero late D1 because he wasn't posting.
Anti, I'll respond to your post when I get home from the meet on Friday and I'm no longer limited to this ipad.
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Post #857 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:09 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 845, Antihero wrote:
also, as bbt pointed out, this is constructing an alternate history that's not borne out by the posting itself
I don't really care whether it is borne out by my posting history, although I'm pretty sure it's in my posts, at least implicitly, around the time I started posting about my Anksuspicion and before that. What incentive is there for me to lie about whether I was suspicious of Ank or Aero first?
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Post #929 (isolation #52) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:32 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 858, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It justifies your jump onto the Aero wagon if you scum read him for longer than what you actually did.
I don't need to make up anything to justify my jump onto the Aerowagon because there was a genuinely solid case on him.
In post 861, Antihero wrote:IN FACT, in Post 217 you actually go out of your way to shoot down whatever point regfan made on aero at the time.
Regfan asked me to comment on it. I acknowledged the validity of his points against Aeronaut, although I didn't find it as convincing as the case against Cheery Dog.
Context is key. In Day 1 I spend the majority of my time trying to work together with Regfan and 'marble to find three good suspects. That context alone should make it obvious that I thought Aeronaut was a genuine suspect long before I voted him. It also applies to the silly point Antihero made about me asking Regfan why he had a town read on tth.
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Post #932 (isolation #54) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:50 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 921, Regfan wrote:Still not sold on CES being scum but admit that I don't like him saying he found Aero scummier before Ank in Post 839 given his response to me in Post 217 about Aero while stating a scum read on Ank in Post 145.
What I post on page 6, isn't necessarily very serious. Certainly, looking back, I realize that my progression on Aero happened mostly out of thread but I can't take the notion that I'd be making this up very seriously.
In post 843, Regfan wrote:Reading the above two posts as p genuine, specifically the "I'm not a good team player" admission behind not outing team-reads and while it's super annoying and wrong I don't think he'd be attempting to use BoP on me at this point as scum especially when it's p fucking obvious that I'm not going to be mslynched here, think he'd instead be focusing on pushing someone that would have a legit chance of being lynched over him. STILL want reads and thoughts in more depth from him but really not feeling good about my vote on him anymore and think I need to step back here.
I agree that the "I'm not a good team player" admission but it also doesn't really relate to his alignment all that much? The BoP thing all feels like a bunch of WIFOM to me - CheeryDogscum would most want to look town here rather than anything else.
It's worth looking back at his ikavote and seeing that he never explained it, didn't push it even as ika did become the #2 wagon and dropped it Today with a comment that was possibly even vaguer than no explanation.
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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I really don't care. I play to lynch scum and I felt Aero gave us the best odds of hitting scum at the end of D1. I'm not going through imaginary hoops to justify my push ahead of time or take a backseat today because we didn't hit scum Yesterday.
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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Post #934 (isolation #56) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:01 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 921, Regfan wrote:I don't see scum!CD thinking he'd be able to get away with that reasoning at all and would know I'm not getting ML'ed here but Zar thinks scum always "push against the grain" to seem town so he's not reading it as a town-tell at all.
Yarr, that's what I was thinking. It feels a bit unintuitive but it's unquestionably a thing.
Vote: Cheery Dog
Feel better about this vote now, especially after looking back at the ikastuff.
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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Post #935 (isolation #57) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:21 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
I will now give the promised response to Antihero's post!
In post 786, Antihero wrote:>Post 128, psyche's being "open" about something apparently doesn't float w/ cheery dog and the token. lol
'Marble was voting Psyche for weak reasons (he conceded as much later) which I pointed out.
In post 786, Antihero wrote:>he's been HAMMERING on the same people over and over and over this game. wait for it... "but anti, you've been doing the same thing." yes, yes i have. however, i cannot boast 50 relatively chunky posts (so it's not like he just hasn't been here like i haven't). and the reasoning behind the rabid ankamius push is disappointingly anemic and reads on literally ANYONE else in the game just simply don't exist. the reasoning on cheery can pretty much be distilled to "he's more likely to be scum b/c of token" which is a really easy argument to shove and it's a really conservative move. same thing for ank. he's not an especially high risk push here, so it's really convenient that the "scumreads" fall on these two players. the third fell on the em player who already flipped town, so there's that too.
I was pushing Cheery Dog before he even admitted to having a token and he's looking really likely to be scum. But yes, I have been focusing on a few people because I've been playing this game with the goal of finding the scum D1 and getting them lynched. I know I'm capable of it, especially given the ability to discuss it with Regfan and 'marble. I'm not going to bother writing up a list of town reads and justifying them because that's not going to win me the game. If you'd bother reading my discussions with Regfan and 'marble, I think most of them should be obvious anyway.
In post 786, Antihero wrote:>the whole "i'm getting nk'd" routine is an old trick and it ain't foolin' me Post 608 especially given that he has no reason to be nk'd. it's overplayed.
Matias also thought there was no reason I'd be nightkilled last Team Mafia even after I got nightkilled Night 2. Regfan and 'marble are certainly the obvious targets but there are definitely situations in which I would get nightkilled, one of which I was specifically talking about.
It feels good to have fully working internet and a keyboard again!
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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Post #945 (isolation #58) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:22 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
In post 752, Ankamius wrote:I hatehatehate his comment about one slot in his scumlist being town making the rest more likely. Nothing about that post looked town to me.
A friendly reminder to the people on the wagon that you're sharing it with this scumbag. One slot in my scumlist being town does make the rest more likely scum. That's how probability works. I'm not going to suddenly stop trusting my scumhunting process; being wrong occasionally is just part of the game.
In post 936, Cheery Dog wrote:This is just weird given that regfan started off this day saying the same thing.
I'm not even fully sure what point you're making, Cheery Dog, but the post you quoted was in response to Regfan's first post.
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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Post #947 (isolation #59) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:51 am
Postby Cogito Ergo Sum »
It's not fearmongering. That is literally the only thing Ank has said to support his vote on me. Cheery is even worse in that he just simply didn't support his vote on you one iota; and his Regfanvote isn't that much better. How many times am I going to have to point this out before I get my scum lynches?
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
~"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind."~