Newbie 1901 (Game Over!)

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Flavour Leaf

Finger of titilation - Emperor FlippyNips

[Alonzo]

Isn't Flicker a German word too?

[Alonzo]

Yeah Google translate says Im talking Scheisse

[Alonzo]

Still waiting for Emperor?

*moves hands into nipple twisting position*

Meantime someone tell me a funny mafia story...

[Alonzo]

I’m excited to see how Alonzo reacts to Emperor’s entrance. He seems to have been eagerly anticipating it.

would you look at those things..

[Alonzo]

Flicker what are your intentions in asking about experience?

[Alonzo]

Did Vorkuta just try to pocket Flavour or what?

[Alonzo]

@2ndStoryWindow
@Emperor flippyNips
@Guten tag

How much experience do you have playing mafia?

First time

What are your thoughts on Alonzo's excitement over you? If he's scum, would you let him get away with it...because I would. Flattery'll get you everywhere.

FlippyNips

say it..

FLIIPEENIIPSSS...

fantastic handle.

[Alonzo]

I lol'd.

Pretty much feel like I have passed comment on any points of interest I spotted so far.

At first I mistook flick and V's avatars when skimming and saw that post about flavour, so I was loading up the vote cannon for flick (that plus the info fishing) I double checked the avatars before posting and realising that I was mistaken deleted the post.

If flavour and V wanna play holding hands I have no objections just now, as long as both show there workings out along the way.

Usually the Ic gets the opposite treatment from my experience, tunnelled by newbs because 'they're more likely to be dangerous as scum' so this is a bold stance from V.

I will try to tone down all the booby talk but I can't guarantee the odd nippleslip here or there =)

[Alonzo]

points

of interest

There are 3 ways to approach this:
-the mysterious IC will use jedi-mind tricks to manipulate us and win the game as scum (chance of happening- 2/9)
-the wise and illustrious IC will use their infinite wisdom to bless us newbies with insight and town leadership (chance of happening- 7/9)
-the IC doesn't do their duty and lurks/disappears/gets banned (chance of happening- 0 because this is FL )

I just finished a game where VT flavour claimed to be in a masonry with a scum and town lost, so I mean.. He might get banned..

[Alonzo]

I second this, scum marine hunting begins in earnest after I get back from work tomorrow so you better get some content out there quiet folks.

[Alonzo]

2sw hard pockets Alonzo...

[Alonzo]

With your obv town approach so far

[Alonzo]

FMPOV its would be very hard to post as you are with insincere intentions. I have seen it, but never in the newbie queue.

Im saying your my first good townread

[Alonzo]

@2ndStoryWindow
@Emperor flippyNips
@Guten tag

How much experience do you have playing mafia?

First time

What are your thoughts on Alonzo's excitement over you? If he's scum, would you let him get away with it...because I would. Flattery'll get you everywhere.

FlippyNips

say it..

FLIIPEENIIPSSS...

fantastic handle.

Why thanks I skipped over this somehow

What else did you find on your catch up?

[Alonzo]

yep townread.

[Alonzo]

Can we just turbo GT?

[Alonzo]

It means lynch quickly and without remorse

[Alonzo]

Vote:GT

[Alonzo]

=) I like this guy already

[Alonzo]

I'm feeling like this story could be a trilogy??

[Alonzo]

I dont know weather to townread or scumread this bunny in the headlights reaction from GT...

[Alonzo]

Does the nipple of suspicion still point to Flavour Emperor?

[Alonzo]

Unvote

[Alonzo]

Normally in this style of Mafia claims aren't made till either L1 or someone gives Intent to lynch before you spew your role.

Will wait to see if there's a counter claims you

[Alonzo]

Flavour/Nippy

Any counter claims?

[Alonzo]

I'v got a day off work to get fully up to speed on this one now.

@muh

It was a shaky claim, but in the absence of a counterclaim we must assume it true until proven otherwise.

[Alonzo]

So yeah the Big headline is the claim of course, This should work itself out over time. I'v Literally just finished a game where the docs only contribution was to Lurk and contribute nothing to actually solving. I think GT participating is important to this game.

I Tr 2sw for tone and content

I Tr alot of Bulbas thinking but I did find one or two post I was unsure of. I'l pull those up for discussion in a bit.

[Alonzo]

How is Vorkuta town? I have a hard time reading him since I have a hard time trying to gauge why he'd want to flatter you the way he did in a game.

He’s playing around too much with the “oh, i could be scum, Flavor, just doing this to pocket you...” but he’s doing it in almost a comical kind of way now, and that’s townie to me. If ScumVorkuta is doing that, that’s pretty next level, not gonna lie.

I really hate that you have a blindspot for V Flavour.

My only win as scum was off the back of a bit of pocketing amongst other things, and a strong town voice giving me towncred was the foot in the door I needed.

I will RR your first encounter if u link me into it

[Alonzo]

I feel like Nippys Iso is quite closed. Has provided early reads, but not explained how he reached his conclusions so I'd like to hear more about the particulars.

[Alonzo]

pocket someone?

To put a townie into the scum's pocket.

I'm being accused of trying to psychologically manipulate FL into liking me so much that he'd stand behind me and all of my """scummy actions""" because in FL's mind, there's no way such a nice person who says nice things to him could be scum.

This exactly, and Vorkuta's totally next levelling me right now. I'm hard pocketed. He's town.

Current reads list:

Vorkuta
Bulbazor
Flicker

2ndStory
muh
guten

Alonzo/Emperor

but they aren't scum together, and there's likely scum in my middle section moreso than anything.

Hard to tell the Intent behind these reads other than to call me Scum, and suggest the newer slots somehow are less valuable??

Flavour seems to have gotten alot Quieter since he was voted.

Vote: Flavour

Lets get his attention

[Alonzo]

Flicker what are your intentions in asking about experience?

Mostly I'm just trying to get people talking, and I noticed those three are all fresh MS accounts. I recognize it's not a stellar scum hunting question or anything, but I figure some talking is better than nothing.

Flicker why are you mad that I tr guten and wouldn't want him today?

I'm not mad, I just think it's a borderline nonsensical read.

Also, you upgrading/clarifying your position to "wouldn't want him today" is a little worrisome.

Well someone has to unvote at some point because it makes no sense to lynch this quickly.

Personally I don't think L-2 is that dangerous, but hopefully they'll unvote when they see my cool new wagon.

As town, I would gladly accept the D-1 lynch as a necessary sacrifice and hope town can build a solid case based on any evidence that I've left behind while alive

VOTE: Vorkuta because this post pings my scum radar.

I like the transparency throughout Flickers Iso. That reply to my suspicion I feel is good. I pick up on play like this all the time, going all the way back to my first game as scum where my Ic partner in crime pushed for this info out of the gate. It helped him plot his course for the game once he had it. Whilst I still get pings everytime its asked. I feel like Flickers intentions are Honest.

VOTE: Guten tag

Wasn't initially up for this, but I'm okay here now.

And I approve of this willingness to push for input.
Town lean Flicker

[Alonzo]

Gluten

I'v played a dozen or more Newbie games and never had a power role so Its hard to anticipate how I would play in his position.

He had no content and I said we should Turbo him and he literally thought he was about to get Turbo'd and spewed.

No counterclaim, I hesistantly lean town.

Nothing there that makes me think deviance, but not a great basis for a townread either. If I have a blindspot Gluten would be it right now.

Some input would be great even if only to death tunnel me for trying to lynch him =)

Come and give some reads.

[Alonzo]

muh what do you think of the votes on you RN? justified?

[Alonzo]

I dunno, your iso looks okay to me and I'm not sure i follow the tone read thing.

Admittedly when flicker replied i scrolled straight to the part meant for me and missed her vote!

@Flicker what about muh Tone was it ?

[Alonzo]

I mean yes, you do seem really itchy about the GT situation that does radiate, but again, that will sort itself out as the game progresses and more info is revealed, so you're better spent looking elsewhere for now

[Alonzo]

Ahhh Vorkuta

How your Iso vexes me so

[Alonzo]

Yeah maybe even moreso now I read your other game.. what gives?

you flitter between jovial and serious in this one, and it continues beyond RVS

[Alonzo]

Second installment of Guten dodging his prods. I think one more for a set.

[Alonzo]

Flavour still isn't posting much....

[Alonzo]

I too will have Limited availability over the weekend and would like to place a solid vote down before then as I'm not sure how much time I will have in the run up to deadline.

I'd Vote Flavour for seeming to be Evasive of this thread at times, combined with a few appeals to meta in defense of his actions.

I'd Vote Vork for being erratic here and also seeming very different from his last Town game. There's enough of a difference to make me think there may have been a shift in alignment also.

I don't feel strongly enough on Muh's 'tone' to follow there, I would only vote there to avoid a no lynch really.

Emperor has been very quiet for large periods of this one sure, I was null on that slot when I re read.

Townlean on the rest.

[Alonzo]

I wanna vote you so hard RN Vork.

[Alonzo]

VOTE:VORKUTA

[Alonzo]

I want a logical reason why he's scummier than Vork?

[Alonzo]

Keep setup speculation to a minimum today, Vorks blatantly rolefishing from my POV, and there is a real danger that an alert scumteam will pickup on a secondary PR soft or VT crumbs.

A doc who has been AFk for most of this dayphase has very little chance of guessing the second PR correctly but scum will benefit greatly If we narrow the pool for them too much.

It's doubtful GT even has good nightkill Equity from his input here, so they will be aggresively fishing for that second PR right now.

Lynch Vork.

[Alonzo]

If you don't see how discussing the other power role compromises that players position then you deserve to hang either way.

[Alonzo]

48 hours folks

[Alonzo]

I liked Flavours 'I don't post on D1 cos that's what I'd do as scum' Skit.

Inventive.

[Alonzo]

2sw hard pockets Alonzo...

To this day I have a problem with this post. Later on you say it’s because you townread me. Why not just say thatin the first place? Me pocketing you is not the same as you townreading me, so I just don’t get it. We had little interaction beforehand, but somehow I ‘pocketed’ you. Ok

Can we just turbo GT?

Trash post, but I’m not sure what to take from it

You're not wrong, these posts are designed to be a little provocative, whilst also giving a direct tell on where my head is at at any given moment.
I do still TR your entry and push on Flavour, the hard pocket reference was follow up sarcasm from my post about Vork pocketing Flavour like he did, and echoing the sentiments Flavour gave for his read on Vork.

I realise with hindsight these terms are to eccentric for the points I'm trying to make, but they were designed with reaction testing in mind which is my usual D1 MO

Also I see you have 180'd on Flavour based on meta, So tell me what you know.... I'm having trouble sorting Flavour so far.

[Alonzo]

Focus wise Im looking at Guten/Flippy/Flavour today

[Alonzo]

muh316: Bulbazoor, Flicker, residentcalleddean, Flavor Leaf, 2ndStoryWindow (5)

Flavour what was your reason for wanting Muh dead?

[Alonzo]

Vote: Emperor

[Alonzo]

I like that vote the most out of the current pushes, but flavour has done a good job making me want to revisit Flicker. I have work 2moro then time for a more indepth read on Tuesday hopefully as long as RL doesn't get in the way too much.

[Alonzo]

Welcome trekkie

Everyone else.. Welcome back ...

[Alonzo]

Work=Done for now hurrah.
Skimmed Flicker, on balance Flickers Push on Muh followed by her more indecisive start to today feels off.

Went in pretty hard on Muh and laid the case for the push based off 'tone'.

Feeling alot less confident of my read there now.

[Alonzo]

I disagree with you on Emperor, I think that slot has scum equity off the back of the lynch on Muh, otherwise I cant really disagree with anything your saying.

My problem is that theres been alot of lurking, and you seem to be townreading players who TR you and Scumreading those who don't.

Could be nothing, could be something.

[Alonzo]

I disagree with you on Emperor, I think that slot has scum equity off the back of the lynch on Muh, otherwise I cant really disagree with anything your saying.

My problem is that theres been alot of lurking, and you seem to be townreading players who TR you and Scumreading those who don't.

Could be nothing, could be something.

Well I didn’t vote D1, if I was scum I would of voted for whatever bandwagon would of got a lynch the fastest

You are correct thats my mistake, for some reason I confused you and 2sw. Apologies.

[Alonzo]

That's why I said the thing about him being too cute to be a killer in my D2 notes on D1, because I assumed that if Guten's slot was actually the doctor, then they didn't roleblock me (since presumably we're in A2). At some point D1 I panicked and felt like I had to scum it up to avoid the night kill (after Guten claimed? IDK), which explains some of my "bad" play (not all, though; like I said, college is melting my brain).

I'm confused, why would you be getting Roleblocked by the doctor?

Im not sure about this post.

Pedit.. I missed pg 20 entirely

Errr its L-1 I think...

[Alonzo]

Unvote

[Alonzo]

Trekkie what are your reads?

what do you think of the Jailkeeper cliam?

why Emperor?

[Alonzo]

@ FlippyNips. Yeah. I was just catching up with the bottom of page 19 and by the time I posted about the JK, 2sw & trekkie votes came outta nowhere =s I hope this isn't to be the last time I get to say that name tho??

That whole thing felt like a move... wtf..?

[Alonzo]

Interesting choice of NK.

We have to lynch between the claims surely 2sw

[Alonzo]

Hey just back from dinner, and yes I am in the doghouse for constantly fiddling with my fone all night =)

As such Im gonna slink off now and get some quality time, but this looks fairly cut and dry for today.

[Alonzo]

I'm favouring a Trekkie lynch today.

I'm more Inclined to believe 2sw would be trekkies partner based on their play end of yesterday and start of today, However I'm aware the team of Flavour/Flicker only needs us to Lynch Trekkie today FTW, which they can take all week to do it, they don't need to rush out and vote, which is what I feel like town!Flicker should have done after the flip at daystart. Perhaps the plan is to slowroll a Trekkie lynch.

Paranoid me thinks Flavours sudden bursts of Input(essentially pushing and 180ing) could be him overseeing a Counterclaim and pushing it through with Flicker, against the much less experienced TPR and that 2sw may have been right to push Flicker yesterday. I didn't trust Flavour enough yesterday to follow on Flicker TBH.

So yeah.. I'l vote Trekkie, and If that isn't Endgame then JK me up and we will take another day.

[Alonzo]

Flicker is only voting one person today,

I'm pretty powerless at this point, I cant Ignore Trekkies naked hammer yesterday, on top of a very sketchy input from that slot throughout the game.
I balance that against Flickers play and my read on that slot through this one and on balance would vote Trekkie .*
If Flicker is part of the scum they have played a winning hand so to speak, isolating the Doc to a 1 vs 1. Who their partner is would be irrelevant out of you and Flavour, but it would be more likely flavour FMPOV due to his progression across the game as a whole.

Whilst either you or flavour could be trekkies partner, I'd lean you because of how you came out hard after flavour at the start of today.

@2sw

[Alonzo]

vote trekkie

[Alonzo]

Sooner this game Ends the sooner I can join some new games.

Just vote already people.

[Alonzo]

Maybe, but I'v seen enough.

You post like you know there's no way Trekkie is Town here, and you constant refusal to vote and suggest everything but tells me its game over.

[Alonzo]

Scum are never killing tonight anyway so you won't learn much

[Alonzo]

If I didn't want to be jailed I'd vote Flicker surely?

I know that's your preference ,which is why I'm against it!!

[Alonzo]

So why are we waiting?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Trekkie

[Alonzo]

I know

[Alonzo]

Emphasis

[Alonzo]

shoulda turbo'd that slot when we had the chance.

[Alonzo]

Up to you, Flavour and I can mop up here tomorrow.

[Alonzo]

Who saw that coming?

[Alonzo]

I feel like I have a pretty open and shut case on 2sw after the last day and a half.

[Alonzo]

Flicker is conf town because of the role cop flip proving we are in the second column.

I’m going to want some more time to think over which of you two is scum, but I’m leaning Alonzo. 2nd flipping on me rather than pushing me was townie. Alonzo has been semi fence sitting all game.

Also, I had a read earlier that stated I thought that Emperor and Alonzo has 1 scum within them.

Mind you Flavour Did lurk into the endgame, And accusing me of fencesitting whilst sat on a fence of his own seems like Scum! being hypocritical.

[Alonzo]

Hows the case on the Trekkie/Alonzo scum!team coming along?

should be a great read...

[Alonzo]

I feel like I have a pretty open and shut case on 2sw after the last day and a half.

Would you care to post it?

Hows the case on the Trekkie/Alonzo scum!team coming along?

should be a great read...

This just doesn't feel like a very towny thing to say.

I can pull up a few posts sure. If I sound frustrated it's because I honestly once I'm gone I don't know who to advise you jk right now, and as such I'm reluctant to say it's 100% 2sw, as I feel there's a good chance Flavour could be the sinister one, his TMI 2sw town read and his leaning towards alonzo/trekkie is bothersome.

[Alonzo]

We should still lynch today surely?

[Alonzo]

Im still torn between Flavour and 2sw.

Lynching me today means Flickers chances overnight are only 50%

[Alonzo]

We need to hear from 2SW at least once more

[Alonzo]

I keep coming back to Flavour making more sense as Trekkies partner

[Alonzo]

I doubt you became Radiant Cowbells hero without hoodwinking a few people here and there.

[Alonzo]

One of the reasons I cant say its 100% you tho is because then I have to pretend that you didn't know to kill the JK not the tracker...

then I get pushed back towards 2sw...

[Alonzo]

Unless you thought you could pocket Flicker... hmmm

pedit- The chap is a fine mafia player forsure, but I get the need to needle him constantly =)

[Alonzo]

Ugh Fine

[Alonzo]

VOTE: 2SW

You can kill Flicker tonight for the win, This games dragging on now...

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Flavour

I changed my mind again too... Im back to thinking its you.

[Alonzo]

^^call this out

[Alonzo]

Flavour is just out n out Down to lynch here... gotta call that bluff

[Alonzo]

I feel like I have a pretty open and shut case on 2sw after the last day and a half.

Would you care to post it?

Hows the case on the Trekkie/Alonzo scum!team coming along?

should be a great read...

This just doesn't feel like a very towny thing to say.

I can pull up a few posts sure. If I sound frustrated it's because I honestly once I'm gone I don't know who to advise you jk right now, and as such I'm reluctant to say it's 100% 2sw, as I feel there's a good chance Flavour could be the sinister one, his TMI 2sw town read and his leaning towards alonzo/trekkie is bothersome.

I know I’m digging my own grave here, but you still haven’t done this

It would just be posts tracking your progression from flicker to floppy, then coming out aggressively after flavour at lylo. If u win here as scum, the writing was on the wall, but now I suspect you are likely correct in your suspicions of flavour.

My preference at this point is (still) to lynch Alonzo, and if that didn't end the game, hmm... I guess I'd lean toward jailing Flavor, but I need to think about it some more.

I can assure you lynching me today won't end things, you need to be sure which of 2sw and flavour you trust.

I'm leaning towards flavour (if I stick my finger in my ears to drown out the voices telling me it's 2sw)

[Alonzo]

I understand the paranoia, but you aren’t wrong with your read on me.

*you hope

[Alonzo]

I know if I'm lynched the chance of a town loss increases. If I live and get jk'd it's game over.

[Alonzo]

Last chance to clear a blindspot.

[Alonzo]

He's just messing with you, dont vote me.

[Alonzo]

Thing is I was townreading 2sw hard at the start, I'v never felt that way about you so far in this one, and It feels like you are going for the pocket JK/get a mislynch angle the hardest here.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: 2SW

but I dont like it not one bit.

Well maybe a little bit.

[Alonzo]

Is that game??

[Alonzo]

We got there in the end!

Even if you did lurk out and Slaughter Muh...

[Alonzo]

This was a really good game, The double no kill is Spot on WIFOM.

I salute you Sir!

VOTE: FLAVOUR

[Alonzo]

I counterclaim Jailkeeper

[Alonzo]

I thought it would be all over when you caught me lurking redhanded on the Flavour lynch....

Really was a case of fine margins in this one.

[Alonzo]

*Looks back at the trail of dead bodies*

*Raises Fist*

*walks into sunset*

[Alonzo]

WP Flicker!