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Is your issue with muh still just his RVS reasoning?In post 27, Bulbazoor wrote:muh and flavor are among the people I want to lynch today already. VOTE: flavor
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What about the answer to this question?In post 28, Flicker wrote:Is your issue with muh still just his RVS reasoning?
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Mostly I'm just trying to get people talking, and I noticed those three are all fresh MS accounts. I recognize it's not a stellar scum hunting question or anything, but I figure some talking is better than nothing.In post 35, Alonzo wrote:Flicker what are your intentions in asking about experience?-
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These stances areIn post 37, Bulbazoor wrote:Voting someone for not confirming seems like setting up for a later push on them solely for not confirming early. Guten sounds pretty genuine so far to me. And look at how Flavor tried to vote me for me voting him. It wasn't a forced and weak push. It was an attempt to gouge your reactions and so far you aren't reacting well. Rapidly anger-voting me when I call you out is not a good thing to do. You got defensive as soon as I started attempting to pressure you.
suchreaches, but they strike me as slightly towny, given the game state. I think scum are more likely to be sitting back now, and you stuck your neck out, so alright.
As to why I think those are reaches:- - Guten literally has 5 words and a vote so far, and two of those words are apologies to the moderator. I don't think you can read genuineness or non-genuiness from those, but even then those seem pretty NAI.
- Have you considered the possibility that Flavor Leaf's vote on you was also a reaction test? It didn't come across as angry or defensive to me at all.
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I'm not mad, I just think it's a borderline nonsensical read.In post 48, Bulbazoor wrote:Flicker why are you mad that I tr guten and wouldn't want him today?
Also, you upgrading/clarifying your position to "wouldn't want him today" is a little worrisome.
Personally I don't think L-2 is that dangerous, but hopefully they'll unvote when they see my cool new wagon.In post 53, Bulbazoor wrote:Well someone has to unvote at some point because it makes no sense to lynch this quickly.
VOTE: Vorkuta because this post pings my scum radar.In post 56, Vorkuta wrote:As town, I would gladly accept the D-1 lynch as a necessary sacrifice and hope town can build a solid case based on any evidence that I've left behind while alive-
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I'm not sure what this means, can you elaborate?In post 60, Vorkuta wrote:Unfortunately the probability (22%) of randomly catching scum on the first day is more than that (20%) of randomly guessing based on the bandwagon after someone flips green.
Are you suggesting Bulbazoor is a policy lynch more than a scum read?In post 60, Vorkuta wrote:I like my odds, and bulbasaur is responding quite selfishly and anti-towny. Almost even contrary to the town's win condition....-
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Been working on a little wall post, which I'm gonna break into two for better readability.
Solid and foolproof contingency plan, in a mafia game? Seems unlikely.In post 86, Vorkuta wrote:
For a worthy cause it is. Like if we have a solid and foolproof contingency plan that guarantees us scum the next day for what happens when you flip green.In post 82, Bulbazoor wrote:protown to allow yourself to get lynched as town
In post 64, Vorkuta wrote:Say we all collectively randomly picked someone to lynch on D-1. Odds that we hit scum are 2/9 = 22%.
Now let's assume they flip townie, obviously we have to analyze the wagon. I have faith in town (unlike Bulba) and believe that they will not lynch unless there is scum intervention- this is just my interpretation of game theory and what not. There is 1 scum out of 5 people who voted to lynch = 20%.
Simple statistics tells me that without any additional information I'd rather be the one to pick someone at random to lynch, than analyze a wagon that I wasn't on.
Probability is all well and good, but we're not in a probable chance, we're in an actuality. What little experience I have as scum offsite leads me to side eye your reliance on statistics in these two posts, given that a more theoretical approach is easier to take as scum.In post 95, Vorkuta wrote:
There are 3 ways to approach this:
-the mysterious IC will use jedi-mind tricks to manipulate us and win the game as scum (chance of happening- 2/9)
-the wise and illustrious IC will use their infinite wisdom to bless us newbies with insight and town leadership (chance of happening- 7/9)
-the IC doesn't do their duty and lurks/disappears/gets banned (chance of happening- 0 because this is FL )
Can you explain your Flavor Leaf and Alonzo reads?In post 79, muh316 wrote:Towny
Myself
Flavor Leaf
Alonzo
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Is this list in any particular order?In post 101, Bulbazoor wrote:Is everyone else asleep? Been a while since I did one of these readlists.
Emperor flippyNips
Vorkuta
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I am here so far in terms of people I'd be happy with lynching. Guten needs to speak up. 2ndstory, so do you. I want to hear all of what you guys have to say.
*She/her, thanks.In post 105, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:Similarly (but also not similar), I do not have a read on Flicker. Most of his posts have been questions, and I acknowledge the fact that he was trying to get conversation started, but still. They just don't seem town or scummy at the moment.
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Emperor flippyNips - Jury's out for now.
Vorkuta - Scummiest so far. Not a strong scum vibe, but still.
2ndStoryWindow - Town lean for post 105. I also feel like his vote on Flavour Leaf might be a little IC-related paranioa, which is extremely relatable and more likely to be town IMO.
muh316 - Tentative, somewhat conflicted town lean. Kind of feels like his stances are too safe, like he's trying not to rock the boat or stand out, which feels vaguely scummy. But, I don't know if that's just paranoia because we agree on a lot.
Guten tag - Jury's out for now.
Alonzo - Don't like how he called out/shaded Vorkuta without voting there, but it's one little thing, and from following along with other games Alonzo's been in, he has a style I find hard to read. Null.
Bulbazoor - Towniest so far, for reasons I've already talked about.
Flavor Leaf - The last time I was worried someone was buddying/pocketing me, they turned out to be town. On the other hand, I think a little IC paranoia can be healthy. So, null?
Pedit: Okay, Flavor Leaf can be a scum lean for now. Something about his responses to 2ndStoryWindow feel off.
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Not sure why you said this. You basically just ruined any chance of seeing our actual reactions.Flavor Leaf wrote:Potential ScumFlicker or ScumMuh would benefit greatly from moving to my wagon. Let’s see what happens with them.-
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Do you have any town reads? Those can be helpful, too, in terms of process of elimination.In post 114, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Yes this is my first time playing this game online and I find the dynamic of it to be rather interesting for the moment it’s hard to read anyone as scum for me besides flavor who’s seems to be digging himself into a scummy hole, but my vote remains the same it still is a rvs anyways-
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I think you missed 2ndStoryWindow; what's your read on him?In post 146, Emperor flippyNips wrote:So far
bulba: is a little suspect to me
vorkuta: is also slightly suspect but I feel like that could be a miss read
Tag: hasn’t said enough for me to really gain an opinion on them so by them just sitting idle could be scum could be busy
Flicker: I’m getting townie vibes from
same for: muh, Alanzo
And as for flavor he has scum written all over him
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Agreed. The more I read, something about muh's tone just feels off to me (both with the claim and overall).In post 207, Bulbazoor wrote:I am pretty certain muh is not a towny. I don't buy the suspicion he puts into the claim. Just doesn't come across as genuine
VOTE: muh316
The feeling's mutual. I like all your posts on today/on this page, they feel towny.In post 212, Alonzo wrote:Town lean Flicker-
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Some of my issues with muh's tone/posts, spoilered for readability:
Spoiler: TL;DR - weak stances, fluff/IIoA
I don't know if I explained that super-well, but I'm trying to keep this short because I have a lot of work to do.
I guess you missed the part of my read where I was conflicted because you seemed to be playing it safe, then. The tone issue was more of a slow realization that crystallized with Bulbazoor's comment, and it's here in this post, too - "I hope I get unvoted" just feels like a weird thing to say or weird way to phrase it.In post 222, muh316 wrote:
Vorkuta's vote on me was OMGUS so I didn't read too much into it. Bulbazoor has been voting me on and off so that one was no surprise.In post 220, Alonzo wrote:muh what do you think of the votes on you RN? justified?
I was surprised at Flicker because it came out of nowhere because she had given me an initial townlean on her read list. I've clarified my reasoning and "tone" in the last few posts so I hope that I get unvoted.-
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Hey, no fair prodding me while I'm asleep!
So, Guten claims doc and Emperor claims VT, both of which I'm inclined to believe for now (Guten just for the possible utility, Emperor based on my read of him as fairly genuine and not scummy). I think maybe we can afford one more claim? After that, I feel like we should just lynch in the claims for sure.
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I'm not asking for a claim from anyone (yet); I'm saying that we could probably afford push one more person to L-1 and get their claim, if we wanted, but no more. Otherwise, I think we'd just have to lynch between Guten and Emperor (which I'd prefer not to do), or I guess lynch without asking for a claim (which seems like even worse form than claiming early, IMO).
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It's strong site meta, and generally a good idea, to ask for a claim before you place a hammer vote, in case you've run up a PR. The only time you maybe wouldn't ask for a claim is if there are no PRs (either because it's an all vanilla game or they're already dead) or if there's a specific setup reason that makes claiming useless (example: Watchmen Wanted).In post 288, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:Why is lynching without a claim worse? Why do you expect someone to claim at L-1?
I expect town to claim truthfully because it helps the other townies (especially the one who wants to hammer) figure out if they still want to lynch them and lying is generally bad for town.
If there was a non-Guten doc out there, I'd expect them to have already counterclaimed, because 1) trading a PR for scum is a pretty good deal and 2) doctor's not the strongest PR (relies on being able to guess who scum will kill, which to some extent relies on knowing who scum are). Also, FYI doctors can't target themselves at night (assuming that's what you mean by "while I may save myself as a doc").In post 288, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:Here’s the reason why it’s bad: let’s assume two things, that there is a doctor in this game and Guten tag is not it. (This is hypothetical for the purpose of an example.) Let’s say I was the doc, and I was put at L-1 and expected to claim. I’m now put into an unfavorable position for the entire town. Either claim doc and run the risk of getting NKed tonight, or lie that I’m a townie and - while I may save myself as a doc - I can no longer counterclaim late game if need be, and/or I’ve lost a bit of credibility if it comes out I lied. Yeah, lying seems not that big of a deal if played well, but I’d rather not be put in, nor put someone else in, that position.
For reference, my comment about getting one more claim stems from this comment by the IC of my last Newbie game:
In post 1163, nancy wrote:Yeah, I was thinking about this earlier, and was like, I really don't want to push in too many more places today because I don't want to risk outing a PR, but um, that's not a real reason not to just lynch someone because they claimed VT. You lynch who you think has the highest chance of flipping mafia. Generally speaking you don't want to sacrifice dayplay for night play.
There's a limit to this, like if you run 3 people up near the end of a dayphase and don't like how the lynch felt on any of them, and they all claimed, you probably want to be super super super certain that someone out those 3 is mafia, or super super certain that all 3 of them are town, before you push another person to claim. At that point it's probably optimal to just lynch inside the slots that have claimed.-
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R.I.P. this game, killed by Thanksgiving.
Since I won't have much chance to post tomorrow, I'll just say that I'm not as opposed to lynching between Guten and Emperor as I was yesterday. Hopefully we get a replacement for Guten who does something, and Emperor can do something more than just asking about abbreviations (hint: voting), and we can get a lynch today and get back on track D2.-
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EBWOPIn post 325, Flicker wrote: Since I won't have much chance to post tomorrow, I'll just say that I'm not as opposed to lynching between Guten and Emperor as I was the day before yesterday.
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WIFOM or scum, I think. WIFOM, because it was a near-useless slot that claimed in a possibly suspicious way. Scum, because it's a fake claim.In post 347, Bulbazoor wrote:Ok guys. Why wasn't doc claim killed?
At the moment, I'm tempted to lynch Emperor for being kind of useless, especially as the day progressed. But, like I said, I want to reread the thread, and see if I can find any associatives between pairs.-
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So, here are the notes from my reread (which was actually just ISOs, so I might have missed a little):
Spoiler: This is a mess, sorry
Is the scum team just Emperor/Guten's slot? It feels like too easy a solve, but my last game was a large (Overkill 1) where the easy solve was also the correct one, so IDK.
I'm a little more comfortable voting Emperor for now, just to give Guten's replacement a chance to post and hedge against the chance the doc claim is real.
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Not sure I agree with this. I know 3/2 LYLO is tight (not that we're guaranteed it with a possible doctor), but another lynch still gives us more information and helps narrow down the pool of suspects.In post 353, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:We’re down to 5v2. We basically cannot afford a mislynch today, given our chances to win go way down. Unlike yesterday, I’m up for a no-lynch today if we can’t come to a consensus.
It's like I already said - it was too awkward and reachy and unnecessary a post to make if Bulbazoor was scum. It was also the first longer, more explanation-filled post of the game, which stands out and seems like bad play for scum. Given that Bulbazoor's an SE, I think he would know better than to post that as scum, especially with how experienced he seems to be (based on join date and post count).
1) "Lynching between Guten and Emperor" isn't the same as wanting to lynch Guten (I was leaning more towards Emperor, a feeling I have obviously carried into today).In post 371, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:You weren’t opposed to lynching Guten but hope his replacement says something. How will he/she do that if Guten gets lynched?
2) I hoped we'd get a replacement sooner and have more time to see what they said (but somebody hammered two days early ).
Sometimes, people are useless because they're scum. In the absence of any other scum reads, that's all I've got.In post 372, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:Why would you lynch Emperor for being useless? I mentioned this above; we can’t afford a mislynch or our chances of winning drop considerably.
(Also, this repeated insistence that "we can't afford a mislynch or our chances of winning go down" - especially with the maybe scumread on me (so is it reallyourchances of winning?) - smell a little LAMIST. Maybe I'm overthinking it and your hammer is actually scummy...)-
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If you're talking about just my notes today, that wasn't a reads list, it was a possible associatives/teams list. I didn't make that clear in the post, but in the last post of mine before that I said:In post 393, Flavor Leaf wrote:I might be lean scumming Flicker because he did the opposite of 2nd and looks like a try hard scum mode activated.
I feel Emperor was the easy way out with that reads list, and sat on the fence for most of the reads.
Pedit:In post 348, Flicker wrote:But, like I said, I want to reread the thread, and see if I can find any associatives between pairs.
Eh, mostly that's just me being lazy. Sue me.The “gonna go with town for now” is why I said they all seem to be fence sitting.-
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99.9% sure this slot's getting replaced again, BTW. And since this is someone who had to pm to take the slot (per the Newbie queue), all things being equal, it seems a little scummy to me they never posted. Not saying they couldn't have had a sudden emergency/changed their mind about playing, but I would think if they got Town Doctor that, barring something awful happening, they'd want to play.
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The initial player in your slot claimed doctor, so your N1 (night 1) target is whoever he chose to protect last night.In post 410, Trekkie99 wrote:Hello? Hi everyone! Complete noob here. What is my N1 target?-
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Can you explain what you mean by this?In post 418, Trekkie99 wrote:As for who I'm gong to vote for...
Vote: Flavor Leaf
For being rather quiet and halfhearted.
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I mean, of course I'm less certain today, after I cased and helped mislynch someone. Wouldn't it be more suspicious if I hadn't changed my play at all today?In post 429, Alonzo wrote:Skimmed Flicker, on balance Flickers Push on Muh followed by her more indecisive start to today feels off.
Went in pretty hard on Muh and laid the case for the push based off 'tone'.
Feeling alot less confident of my read there now.
My thoughts exactly. You can go back to being a town lean, 2nd.In post 432, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:
This post rubs me the wrong way. Jumping on a bandwagon much?In post 430, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Yeah I’m starting to lean more towards flicker being scummy over flavor right at this moment-
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Day 2 Deadline:(expired on 2018-12-06 19:00:00)
Putting this in my ISO for reference/posting it as a reminder for everyone.
@Bulbazoor
@Emperor
Please vote so we can get a better idea of wagons and possible intent/claims.
@2nd
If neither of the above votes in a timely fashion, could you just go ahead and vote Emperor so we can have a better chance at a lynch today? Unless you're still thinking about a no-lynch, which we can keep talking out.-
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Yeah, unless the night kill was some master WIFOM, I don't think a team with Flavor would have killed Vorkura. I also don't think a Flavor/Emperor team (or possibly a Flavor/Trekkie's slot team) would have Emperor being this inactive/bad. I mean, if I was Flavor, I'd be coaching my partner in the scum chat 1000%, and I just don't get that sense from Emperor's play. Not that scum teams can't say, "Hey, let's not get interact privately, to keep our game thread interactions pure," but I think that kind of play works better when they're both experienced.In post 448, Flavor Leaf wrote:If Emperor and I were the scum team, there was absolutely zero reasoning for Vorkuta death, as that would have been a great asset to have.
Also, I'm too impatient to wait any more for Trekkie's reply to my last questions, so I'll say this: take a look at the time stamps between my and Trekkie's posts when I asked him to read the thread and vote. If he really did read the whole thread, is that suspiciously fast (roughly 30-40 minutes, depending on which posts you compare)? It's not definitive evidence he's fake-claiming scum (there's a few other plausible explanations I don't have time to lay out right now), but I found it odd and I want to know what everyone else thinks, especially@2ndb/c it seems like you have the most WIM.-
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I've been thinking some more about Trekkie's slot, and I think I've just been derptunneled on him, sorry. Claiming TPR at L-2 is bad town play, but it seems like it would be worse scum play (bad timing vs bad timing + fake claim).
Unfortunately, I can't afford to budget any time to go back over the thread before EoD, and Emperor's still the closest thing I have to a scum read - plus I don't think another lynch is gonna come together - so my vote's staying there. For tomorrow, I will do my best to actually, fully read back over the thread and figure out what's happening, especially if I'm wrong about Emperor, too.
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Okay, then...
I'm the Town Jailkeeper.Bulbazoor was my N1 target. That's why I said the thing about him being too cute to be a killer in my D2 notes on D1, because I assumed that if Guten's slot was actually the doctor, then they didn't roleblock me (since presumably we're in A2). At some point D1 I panicked and felt like I had to scum it up to avoid the night kill (after Guten claimed? IDK), which explains some of my "bad" play (not all, though; like I said, college is melting my brain).
If I'm not getting lynched and we are in A2, I assume I'm dying tonight now, unless I can successfully target the roleblocker. So, it's been fun, y'all. If you're town, trust no one and question everything in LYLO tomorrow.-
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These were the reads notes I made for myself earlier today:
Doctor - Trekkie
Townier
2ndstorywindow
Flavor (based on NK as much as posting?)
Bulbazoor (posting seems to have dropped D2) & Alonzo (???)
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Scummier
At this point, I'm really not sure about any of them. 2nd being towny is the only thing that feels good, but feeling good doesn't always equal being right.-
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I'm up for compromising on basically any wagon that isn't me at this point (2nd would be more of a worst-case scenario compromise lynch), but I still like my vote on Emperor more than I don't. I'll scan for vote tags in these last few hours of D1, see which way the wind's blowing and if it would be better to move my vote, but otherwise I'm out for the day/game.
Pedit: Yeah, it's my first time rolling TPR and I didn't do a great job, huh?-
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I think this is hammer. Not sure how I feel about this, TBH...
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Okay, I have a few thoughts and I'm not sure they're entirely coherent:
1) My immediate instinct is to turbo Trekkie here, since the doctor claim is obviously fake (granted, the other two of you townies have to trust I'm telling the truth), and townies shouldn't have any reason to lie like that.
2) Did they know Bulbazoor was the tracker? If so, why kill him,? B/c doing so reveals the fake claim. (Unless two townies in a row decided to lie about being doctor? Seemsprettyunlikely.)
2) Since we're in B2 and not A2, so all scum has is a rolecop, I wonder why they didn't kill me? Unless there's some kind of weird WIFOM game they're playing... (Pedit: Oh yeah, clearly this is a game of "who should be believed?")
Also, I did jail Flavor Leaf last night.
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It depends. The mafia team has to designate one of them to perform the kill, so if the jailkeeper targets the designated killer, there wouldn't be a kill. If the JK targets the non-killing mafia, the kill goes through.In post 499, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:@Rob14or to anyone else who can answer: (this is completely theoretical) If a jailkeeper targets a mafia member, the mafia team can still kill, correct?
Pedit: Please unvote. If Flavor's town, the mafia could coordinate a quickhammer and win now.-
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If you think my claim is genuine and Trekkie is scum, then why not vote for Trekkie? Pedit: Day 3 LYLO is a day to reexamine all your reads, not to trust yourself - there's a reason I gave that "trust no one" advice before day end yesterday, and it goes back to my first Newbie game, where the winning scum team included a universally townread player.In post 519, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:You’re not. You can easily be scum with Trekkie. You’re experienced, you know what’s up. Tell Guten to claim doc and Trekkie do the same, they’re in the clear for awhile. There’s risk of a CC, but you’ve said you’re up for a risk sometimes. I find Flicker’s jailkeeper claim to be more genuine at the moment since we lost the possibility of there being a roleblocker (RB could easily fakeclaim JK). You said Emperor would flip town, cool, and I read it as a cop subtleclaim. You could easily be the rolecop and that was free brownie points for you.
I wasn't advocating for a turbo, especially given my lack of voting, I was saying it was my immediate reaction.In post 519, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:I’m not actively seeking a turbo nor do I think there will be one because I’ve got my heart set on you being scum. Flicker explicitly advocating for a turbo should not have been said, however. Before you say my vote carries more weight than his words, reread the first sentence of this paragraph.
Also, "your heart set on someone being scum" is a very strange turn of phrase. He's scum or he's not scum, your heart doesn't enter into it.
(Unless maybe you're trying to set him up as scum, aka you're actually scum?)
But you're not risking your towniness, you're potentially risking the game for not just you but the other two of us.I’m willing to risk my towniness by placing a pressure vote on you right now, and it’s definitely working.-
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Actually, the only player left without a prod this game is Alonzo, which I would consider to be slightly towny. But also, people say activity is NAI (even though I've seen a few "sort by post; scum's at the bottom" games), and even if it was AI, I don't think it's strongly AI.In post 526, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t know why you keep pushing this false narrative that I just disappeared. I don’t think i’ve Even been prodded.
Pedit: I did look at your pairings post, Flavor. It seems pretty good, but I want to go back and reread the thread, too, and do my own pairings analysis from my perspective, just to be sure. I've never been in LYLO in a game I started in, so I want to do my best to get it right.
Also, I think you missed Alonzo/2nd in your analysis?
Pedit2: 2nd, this is a team game, so if you're town, could you please put aside your reasons and unvote, for me and our other teammate?
Pedit3: FMPOV, today we have to lynch Trekkie b/c of the fakeclaim, and deal with his partner tomorrow. But I don't want to rush it.
(Sheesh, I'm having a real hard time keeping up with the thread right now... )-
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Oh, right, haha, of course.In post 539, Flavor Leaf wrote:I didn’t miss Alonzo/2nd. It physically can’t be the team because of the claiming between you two.
Being the only person advocating against a lynch in no way keeps someone out of the spotlight.In post 540, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:
Yeah you said that for free town points. You knew he'd get lynched, he was at L-1 for awhile. Again, it keeps you out of the spotlight.In post 534, Flavor Leaf wrote:Without even reevaluating even though i’m the only one who was trying to not have Emperor lynched.
Alright, lol.
@Flicker - you want Trekkie or 2nd today?
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Don't think I'm not tempted. If you're town, I'm gonna be so pissed.I'm not unvoting. Lynch me for it-
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I'm mulling over this plan. Right now I'm leaning towards jailing 2nd, though, but I can see the merits in this.In post 560, Flavor Leaf wrote:If we lynch Trekkie, he flips red,
Flicker, you can jail me.
If someone dies, I’m conf town.
If nobody dies, there could be a no kill gambit to frame me, BUT we all 4 make it to Lylo, and I kind of like that.
This play basically just makes it so there’s no way that I would be able to make a kill if scum.
2nd would have to either kill Flicker or Alonzo, which would confirm me as town anyways.
To stop the confirmation from happening, 2nd has to no kill.
I'll definitely announce who I'm going to jail when I vote, though.-
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This sounds like you have more experience than you let on initially ("some experience, but it’s been awhile"). Have you played FM before? If so, where? Can you pin down exactly how long "awhile" ago was?In post 564, 2ndStoryWindow wrote:Mad that I'm always the one who gets pinned endgame. Wonder how many of those times I've been scum? Almost never. When I'm scum I die early-
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@2nd
More times than not when I've checked to see who's online over this last hour or two, I've noticed Alonzo's name there. Wouldn't it benefit scum!Alonzo to sit back and watch two townies 1v1 while he twiddles his thumbs and waits for his scum partner to come back and coordinate a quickhammer?
Can youpleaseconsider the possibility that you could be wrong long enough to unvote?
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