Newbie 1912 [GAME COMPLETE]

[Elements]

VOTE: munchmellow

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements First post is always scum, got’em

oh snap, this game could turn out to be quite short

[Elements]

VOTE: pvturist
Whoever is second to make a vote with an arbitrary reason is scum

[Elements]

Elements, what is the purpose of this vote change?

There wan't any real purpose other than to spark some form of discussion, which it now appears to have done

[Elements]

Yeah but then you just killed the discussion by saying that was it's purpose. You have to string out those kinds of plays if you want it to get something moving.

or i have caused more basis for discussion from the lack of discussion

[Elements]

I think Elements is evil.

You are entitled to your wrong opinion

[Elements]

I feel like you are fascist and that makes you evil, did you support Benito Mussolini back when you were a child?

no idea who that is.
the only political opinion i have every expressed is that brexit is bad

[Elements]

i am neither a politically nor historically minded person

[Elements]

I think all the active players at this point (iffy on elements and muh) are town

just to clarify, it's you, skellen and loopdan you think are town

[Elements]

Also the reply to #28 is still due.

i don't see why this is important in any way. the vote happened on the first page of the game after muh voted themselves to spite loopdan. i can't see how there could be any reason for loopdan to vote them other then something along the lines of "well screw you too"

[Elements]

even though you are fascist scum

only when playing secret hitler

[Elements]

if it is a NL or me I would prefer you kill me.

please don't say this. the first game of forum mafia i played someone said this. i came back half a day later to 9 pages of pointless discussion that basically destroyed the game

[Elements]

Do you really feel it's double bussing? And why?

seconded

[Elements]

Elements, you haven't given us any TR's or strong opinions on anyone. It seems like lurking to me.

I take while to form reads, and I don't give them as often as other people in the few games I've played. So far this game the only read I've rlly got is that I don't think you and loop are both mafia. Everyone else is pretty much null at this point

[Elements]

Can you elaborate why you are picking Elements for null-town? I was already sceptical when Thespio did it as I have a sligthly contrary opinion on that one.

Are you saying you are scum reading me to some degree here? if so why?

[Elements]

since this game is slow paced and not much is happening

hopefully this will change when we get some active replacements

[Elements]

Seeing as everyone is giving their reads, here are mine:
{} - Strong Town
{Enter, Skellen} - Null Town
{Munchmellow} - Null
{PvtUrist} - Null Scum
{} - Scum

Skellen -

PvtUrist - This is based on comparison with my last game with them. I'm getting similar playstyle vibes to that game (Newbie 1907) in which they were scum. This could just be their general playstyle hence only Null Scum

Munchmellow - Not much input, but i do like the reasoning behind her reads

Enter - As people have mentioned before, strong input upon joining the game, seems like genuinely trying to progress the game/scum hunt rather than appearing to do this while steering the town down the wrong track

As i was writing this i lost track of time, now i've got to go and play quidditch leavingg this post half finished. But ill come back and finish is asap after training. Apologies

[Elements]

Returning to this post now i'm back:
{Skellen} - Strong Town
{Enter} - Null Town
{Munchmellow, Loopdan, muh} - Null
{PvtUrist} - Null Scum
{Thespio} - Scum

Skellen - appears to me to be looking for any inconsistencies in voting behaviour and what people have been saying prior to this. The most towny out of everyone imo

PvtUrist - This is based on comparison with my last game with them. I'm getting similar play style vibes to that game (Newbie 1907) in which they were scum. This could just be their general play style hence only Null Scum

Munchmellow - Not much input, but i do like the reasoning behind her reads

Enter - As people have mentioned before, strong input upon joining the game, seems like genuinely trying to progress the game/scum hunt rather than appearing to do this while steering the town down the wrong track

muh - nothining has rlly stood out to me as either side inclined, not much of anything here

Loopdan - seems to be lot of fence sitting, this read is mostly due to Enter's spiel upon entering the game as it seeded doubt in my mind as to loopdan's alighnment

Thespio - None of his posts seem to advance the game much if at all. "lynch me if no one else" is sketchy and as i've said i do not like it, it destroyed my first game. "policy lynch the inactives"(not a direct quote but is the general vibe i get from his iso) and "i think all actives are town" seem to me like scum pushing for an easy lynch on someone unlikely to defend themselves as vigorously as the more active players, and also an easy way to put their fellow scum as a town read.

VOTE: Thespio - now at L-2

[Elements]

@Skellen - thanks for that unannounced L-1 vote.

Isn't it an L-2?

[Elements]

Yea it is an L-2, what are you on about

[Elements]

Have you legitimately just given up all hope now and are just trying to throw some accusations of people in a last ditch effort to not be lynched?

[Elements]

No. I thought Thespio already voted.

This just backs up everything Enter has been saying about you not reading anything or trying that hard tbh

[Elements]

I will put him at L-1 Later but dont want to risk a LOLHammer

I agree, and i also want to see something other than "hi, i exist" from the deadbeat slot

[Elements]

I am getting flashbacks to my first game where scum absolutely swamped the chat with basically the same points over and over again which totally discouraged anyone from even bothering to read most of it. This obviously makes me question Enter's alignment more and upon reading Thespio's iso i can definitely see the possibility of an Enter/Thespio scum team going on. At the start They had a bit of a bickering to distance themselves from each other but after a while this Thespio did a turn around and starts even emulating Enter's posts with lots of loopdan quotes and explinations why they're iffy posts. Most of his read changes on loopdan and Enter have been "upon re-reading" without rlly quoting anything or links to posts, which seems like a bit of a cop out when you're changing views on currently the biggest conflict in the game. I also don't like how many town drops? is that the right words? thespio has done e.g. "lynch me over no lynch" and "I will put him at L-1 Later but dont want to risk a LOLHammer" and "Also I want to apologize for antagonizing you just reading through this I think you are town (if you read my recent games you will see me do it alot)"
so yes Thespio is still my strongest scum read

As for loopdan, if they hadn't shown such a defietist attitude i might have town lean on them, but currently i don't feel enter has swayed me into thinking they're scum especially given my thoughts on them and thespiio being a team

[Elements]

I’ll seriously go concider a PVT and Enter team

The word consider leaves options open for scum!Thespio to take either stance on scum!Enter either bussing for town cred or "re-evalutaing" and finding Enter's tunnelling to be a "genuine town mishap". But the inclusion of Pvt gives scum!Thespio the possibilty of going doen the route of bussing but lynching Pvt instead to get a mislynch without it looking any more suspicious if he went after Enter and they flipped town. It also distances them form Enter after getting a town lynch with them he can seem less to blame by pushing the sheer volume of posts against loopdan enter made out there

[Elements]

My #1 scumread if Loopdan flips town is: Thespio
My #1 townread if Loopdan flips scum is: Enter

[Elements]

Could you post your opinion of his ISO?

Yes, but itll take me a while to get through all of it

[Elements]

My #1 scumread if Loopdan flips town is: Thespio
My #1 townread if Loopdan flips scum is: Enter

This is interesting, can you explain how you went from reading us as a team to reading us as polar opposites?

My thoughts are you two are scum team pushing on Loopdan, so if he flips town i will continue with that train of thought. But if loopdan flips scum that's me theory out the window and i highly doubt Enter would bus his scum partner day one so vigorously hence him being my biggest town read

[Elements]

Also, Elements, are you just unswayed by the arguing, thinking it's TvT or something, or are you just out there to fry the bigger fish?

which arguing are you refering to?

[Elements]

Thespio, i think you might have misread Loopdan's question

[Elements]

My thoughts are you two are scum team pushing on Loopdan, so if he flips town i will continue with that train of thought. But if loopdan flips scum that's me theory out the window and i highly doubt Enter would bus his scum partner day one so vigorously hence him being my biggest town read

I think this is flipped then right? If he flips scum you will TR Enter because you dont believe in bussing? if hes town you would think we are team so its both of us with a lean on me?

yea, is that not what i said before?

[Elements]

Explain why Pvt isnt even on your radar? where is Loopdan?

I think Loopdan is town hence the you and enter scum team
For pvt, he is mush less active then he was when he was scum in my last game so i have a mild town lean.
But on the off chance loopdan flips scum i will have to re-think everything at which point pvt will quite possibly be a scum read

[Elements]

I'm of the opinion that if loopdan flips scum pvt looks scummy, if loopdan flips town i still think it's you

[Elements]

I'm of the opinion that if loopdan flips scum pvt looks scummy, if loopdan flips town i still think it's you

Ok cool, I understand, so basicly you are looking at loopdan/pvt scum team, or a me/Enter scumteam?

effectivly yes

[Elements]

Enter's ISO

Upon looking though i found a maximum of 7 posts that didn't in some way relate to Loopdan; either pointing a finger saying he's scum, comparing how other people have played so far with him, quoting him or telling him to read properly and answer questions. Given the shear volume of post too, i don't see how this could be considered anything but tunnelling.
The other posts are somewhat nonchalant. The only one of real interest I found said something like "scum don't tend to tunnel or push town day one so they don't take responsibility for the GREEN flip" Which, taken from the Enter is scum view, could be him covering his back if loopdan flips green.

If loopdan flips scum i and more than happy to bow down to the all knowing power of Enter

[Elements]

Now do me a favor, I didnt start on loopdan, how do you feel about my ISO in regards to Loopdan, Enter, and Pvt?

not entirely sure what you're asking could you rephrase a bit?

[Elements]

The arguing between Loop and Enter. Thought this was clear enough from context.

Just double checking. I think it's either Enter scum tunnelling to get a mislynch, TvT, or Enter is some form of deity

[Elements]

The arguing between Loop and Enter. Thought this was clear enough from context.

Just double checking. I think it's either Enter scum tunnelling to get a mislynch, TvT, or Enter is some form of deity

Did you just list every possible option XD, its either SvT, TvT, or TvS

that is a very good point, and rather ammusing.
The order is what i think the mos likely case it:
Scum tunnel ~ 85%
TvT ~ 10%
Enter = god ~ 5%

[Elements]

Quick question to everyone not named Enter: Do you have any idea what his current read is on you?

I've absolutely no clue

[Elements]

I've only just realised we've still got up to 4 days left for day one. I thought we only had 1 and a half so it the loopdan lynch was almost inevitable, my bad

[Elements]

My concern isn't the questions, but people saying "X is scummy because of their interactions with Y" before we've flipped Y. It's pure speculation at this point. Speculation doesn't find scum, scumhunting does. It's a pretty good way to look like your scumhunting without saying anything actually helpful though.

To clear up my whole "if loopdan is scum pvt looks scummy" thing. this isn't because if their interactions it's it eliminate enter from my list of possible scum

[Elements]

This day has all but ended, I will hammer Loop unless someone obliterated this offer in the next few hours

[Elements]

This day has all but ended, I will hammer Loop unless someone obliterated this offer in the next few hours

Please state your opinion in muh316.

Frankly at this point I have to agree with Enter that the most beneficial lynch is you. I can't think of any reads that would change if muh was flipped, whereas you've been at the centre of discussion since Enter joined. My opinion of muh doesn't come into it.

Before you go all "he doesn't want to give his opinion of muh so they must be scum buddies" i don't have much of an imporession of muh. I can see why you could think he's scum but overall they're a slight town lean for me

[Elements]

ngl loopdan, you're starting to annoy me

[Elements]

ngl loopdan, you're starting to annoy me

OK. I'm here. What do you want to talk about?

I just want to lynch you so we can see your flip and get on with the game rather than these last few stagnant pages

[Elements]

post 562 seems utterly irrelevant to anything. Can people stop letting loopdan waste time and lynch him VOTE: loopdan

[Elements]

i don't think you're scum. I think you are town but the lynch that will give us the most information when you flip. The rest of the conversations going on are the same thing that's been going on for two days and all it's doing is making people angry with the game

[Elements]

excuse not to have reads on other people

what is this refering to?

[Elements]

I would hammer a townread at deadline to avoid no lynch (not a strong townread). But to rush hammering a townread... I do find it suspicious.

At this point i feel like this day is currently being detrimental to town

[Elements]

i don't think you're scum. I think you are town but the lynch that will give us the most information when you flip. The rest of the conversations going on are the same thing that's been going on for two days and all it's doing is making people angry with the game

WAIT, WTF IS THIS. If he is town you get the same info as if he is town, how does this make any sense, can we all quickly evaluate Elements?

this was poorly worded it sould've been: "i think loopdan is town, but his lynch will tell us the most information"

[Elements]

am i missing some key element of this game?

is that a pun?

im currently writing a big post on my reads throughout the game so that's where i am

[Elements]

The development of my reads, a (hopefully) comprehensive guide to how me reads have changed throughout the game
By Elements

Skellen

At the start of the game Skellen started questioning Loop's vote flipping to muh (post numbers around 42), saying it's cheap and unnecessary. This could have come from either side, scum trying to gain town cred for looking at imo, as stated in 64, an inconsequential action as slightly dodgy, or town trying to look for any scummy behaviour. Nothing rlly to tell either way -

null read

From here Skellen is questioning peoples reads on people, mostly me, and giving a few of her own. Questioning the overlaps between null reads on my between Thespio and Pvt. This is town behaviour, scouting for inconsistencies and finding the reasons behind specific reads to understand weather they are genuine or mafia looking for anything they could try and pass of as scummy -

Town lean

I don't rlly understand why she talked about remembering to keep an eye on Thespio. This seems more like a note to self but was still included in the posts. Strange.
Upon the introduction of Enter into the game Skellen gives some well thought our reads that seem to be coming from a town standpoint with ideas about possible scum teams arising a couple of times. A lot of questioning of inactive people like Pvt about topics other than the Loop-Enter contest. Trying to get other information and bringing inactives into the game more to get them to help town or slip up if they are scum. -

Town Read

[Elements]

oops, i hit submit instead of preview. dw there's more coming

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btw using

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will link to a post

thanks

[Elements]

Even despite that, there's no reason why we can't pressure Elements while the timer runs down so we have as much information on their slot as possible before nightfall.

I'm currently on Thespio, then it's Enter, Loop and some other stuff at the end, i'll try and finish it before i sleep but no promises

[Elements]

I blame nobody for time differentials.

I blame flat earthers

[Elements]

I'll post everyone except Thespio, Loop and enter now so timezone people can look at stuff. Ill finish the big three off tomorrow and post again then

[Elements]

The development of my reads, a (hopefully) comprehensive guide to how me reads have changed throughout the game
By Elements

Skellen

At the start of the game Skellen started questioning Loop's vote flipping to muh (post numbers around 42), saying it's cheap and unnecessary. This could have come from either side, scum trying to gain town cred for looking at imo, as stated in 64, an inconsequential action as slightly dodgy, or town trying to look for any scummy behaviour. Nothing rlly to tell either way -

null read

From here Skellen is questioning peoples reads on people, mostly me, and giving a few of her own. Questioning the overlaps between null reads on my between Thespio and Pvt. This is town behaviour, scouting for inconsistencies and finding the reasons behind specific reads to understand weather they are genuine or mafia looking for anything they could try and pass of as scummy -

Town lean

I don't rlly understand why she talked about remembering to keep an eye on Thespio. This seems more like a note to self but was still included in the posts. Strange.
Upon the introduction of Enter into the game Skellen gives some well thought our reads that seem to be coming from a town standpoint with ideas about possible scum teams arising a couple of times. A lot of questioning of inactive people like Pvt about topics other than the Loop-Enter contest. Trying to get other information and bringing inactives into the game more to get them to help town or slip up if they are scum. -

Town Read

From there its similar to what i've said before, intelligent questions about things that may have been over looked -

Current read -

Town

Pvt/RCE

Pvt started the game much like thye did the first game I played with them. In that game they were scum. Things that looked similar:
Early, unprompted read lists - presumably (when they were scum) this was to make them seem like they are invested in the game and actively trying to sort through people to find scum. But in this case it wasn't backed up by activity to match. -

Scum Lean

After this, two ambiguous posts that say nothing then is replaced by RCE.
If RCE had started the game with us and played as they have so far, they would be a town lean for me. But coming into Pvt's slot and scum reading Pvt doesn't look too good. So far RCE hasn't done enough to clear that slot yet -

Current read -

Scum Lean

Munchmellow

I haven't really been reading Munch this game due to the low activity resulting in me forgetting about her but I've had some thoughts upon inspecting her ISO.
Not much going on in the early game. First real noteworthy post being her read list. A short sentence for each read, doesn't look like much thought is going into it. Post 319 makes me thing a lack of reading had gone on. I had given a null read on Loopdan and then Munch asked if the argument made me scumread him more??? This makes no sense. Lack of thought appears again in post 586 where munch gives 2 possibilities for who they think are scum then later says "well, obviously I didn't think it through". Correct me if I'm mistaken here, but surely you should have at the very least thought through half of your reads in this game. This lack of thought seems scummy to me, almost as if Munch is throwing Thespio into the mix of her possible scum reads to distance themselves.... I can very much see a Thespio Munchmellow scum team -

Current Read -

Scum

Elements

Everything posted by this slot is something I would post as town.

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MagikHorse

MagikHorse enters the game with talk about lurkers, giving the difference between active lurkers and non-active ones etc. He votes me with good reasoning about my playing saying I'm was the closest thing to an active lurker. I do not disagree. At the start of the few games I've played I have taken a back seat in the game, even lurking, and I don't like giving reads early which doesn't help. This is because I find that I take longer than most people to find reads and until this game didn't rlly understand how people could get so many strong reads day 1. That was a bit of an aside but MagikHorse's vote on my was completely valid and for fair reasons -

Town Lean

Reading through MagikHorse's next few posts commenting on the Enter-Loop situation, it seems to me like he has a scum lean on Loop and thinks Enter is slightly town, blinding himself to any other alternatives of possible scum. As his posts progress, his apparent reads seem to flip for seemingly no reason, of course we can't be sure due to him never giving a proper run down of his reads, but that is what I see. Finally he settles on a town tunnel from Enter onto town Loopdan. At this point my read is rlly dependant on Loopdan's flip. If Loopdan flips scum (more on this later) I can very easily see a scum team here. If Loopdan flips town I would see him as a town lean -

Current Read -

Null

muh316

Starting with a self vote during RVS, great way to start a discussion given the context. Then post 102 is very hypocritical. Asking me for reads without having given any himself. -

Null Read

Then we have the beautiful 266 post gap at which point muh calls me a lurker again. Thanks. The rest of the posts give some nice questions and points that provide discussion -

Current Read -

Town Lean

[Elements]

Why is the current game-state detrimental to town?

At the point at which I posted the controversial rage induced post all the was really going on was people telling enter he was rehashing everything he'd said, followed by enter said they weren't followed by people saying he was.... you get the idea. Loop said they would post reads after an intent to hammer was made, then didn't really give anything for a while. More on that during my Loopdan spiel. All that was happening was people getting more and more annoyed at the game until someone, me, snapped. What I was hoping for was someone to agree with me and say "ok yes this day isn't going anywhere anymore" and to have hammered Loop. Due to a number of things including Pvt's replacement being searched for this didn't happen, instead we now have an actual beneficial discussion going on.

[Elements]

Why will my lynch tell us the most information?

Given that it looks like either you or me are being lynched.
You flip scum: Enter is town, MagikHorse looks suspicious as hell, muh is in the clear, pvt/rce is a scum partner/in the clear depending on who you ask
You flip town: Enter no longer exisits on this plane of existance, Migikhorse looks good, muh in under serious scrutiny from a lot of people, ptv/rce reads will definitly change from whoever said you two could be a scum pairing

at the moment i so either you or me being lynched so here's me flipping in comparison:
I flip scum: Loop is town
I flip town: ...

@everyone i encorage you to add your thoughts on this matter

[Elements]

However I just noticed in your read about Munchmellow that it deviates from your opinion in #149 where you liked the reasoning behind her reads while now it's almost the opposite. Where does that come from? I kind of understood your reads like they were chronologically written, so this felt kind of off.

Upon revisiting everyone for the read breakdown i'm writing there are a lot of things which in hindsight i should have view differently and do currently view differently. It's quite hard trying to figure out why i town read someone right at the start of day one if since then im scum read them.
This will be much more prominent with my reads on Thespio, Enter and Loop. To answer your question Thespio, you are the big three because of how dynamic my reads on you three have been recently.

[Elements]

at the moment i so either you or me being lynched so here's me flipping in comparison:
I flip scum: Loop is town
I flip town: ...

I feel things like this are why Elements is a wagon right now...

This is why i asked other people to add their thoughts, from what I can see no one gains anything from me flipping town

[Elements]

No I mean the statement "If I flip Scum" should never come from your perspective if you're town. Since you know the outcome of your flip.

Statements like that are immediate red flags.

I take it you'll have the same opinion on loopdan doing this in 330 as and when you get there

[Elements]

A bit of a preface before I continue:
My first game of forum mafia was what can only really be described as a train wreck for town. First few pages of posting someone said they didn't have an important role (it was role madness) so they were happy to be lynched instead of a no lynch. Another player (sum) didn't let this go through the whole of the day. Imaging the quantity of posting enter has done this game every real life day. You missed a day due to work or something, you came back to 7 pages of non-stop posting. It was a war of attrition that only one side was fighting. Someone else claimed jester which didn't help.
Anyway, to say that I was blinded in this game due to that would be an understatement. This is the best forum game I've played so far (out of 3 but you get the idea). Both from an enjoyment perspective and a learning perspective. Before this game, and for most of it too, I just sat back and watched the game unfold not really understanding the point of what people were saying about reads and scummy vote flipping. Just playing through the game never really re-reading people's ISOs or looking at things from different view points. Since my outburst I have done just that and my reads on these three will probably surprise you.

Thespio

Post 69, like with most people, set me on edge here. I'd seen it happen in my first game with disastrous outcomes -

Scum Lean

He continues by saying everyone who's active is town, talking about TvT arguments and such. This again gave me suspicions. I don't see why saying that is helpful to anyone except trying to get town to think you are more town. We have a jovial exchange about secret hitler, which i don't think anything can be gained from. Something someone said (I think it was Skellen but I can't seem to find the post) about him being active but slipping his way under the radar caught my eye. Upon further inspection this was true. Thespio was sliding through the game asking questions here and there that steered the discussion away from him, weather intentionally or not. -

Scum Read

Thespio's first read list in post 181 included him putting and L-1 on Pvt. Yes that is way of putting pressure on someone who is inactive but L-1 in a slow moving game with over 5 days to go is not something I like. There is a chance for an accidental hammer from inactive players (like myself at the time) who read his reasoning thinking "that's good stuff there, I also want to pressure Pvt" or even a lolhammer from mildly self destructive scum giving us a 200 post day one phase, aka no next to no information -

Scum Read

Enter joins and Thespio has a bit of a rant about him tunnelling loopdan and town reading pvt, understandable until we see that 15 posts later after calling Enter "toxicly bad" Thespio decides that one well written post qualifies him as a town read. Thespio goes from scum leaning to town read in the space of 12 posts and 3 and a half hours -

Scum Read

Looking back seems like possible team with Enter who at that time I had a town lean on. I should've thought about this a lot more at the time.
A bit later Thespio talks about the strategy behind self hammering, I see where he's coming from but I don't agree. Later on around the 230s in posts Thespio is now scum reading loopdan saying happy to put at L-1. This is where things get a bit mess on my side of the reads for Thespio, Loopdan and Enter. I know that when Enter joined I like the points he brought about loopdan into the game and town read him (enter). Loopdan giving up did help his case (scum loopdan). Then at some point I swapped to a Enter-Thespio scum team tunnelling loopdan to get a mislynch (enter tunnelling, Thespio keeping out of the light enough to not be considered too much but still slowing coming round to Enter's side). Reading through my ISO i'm not entierly sure where this happened. I think its around when MagikHorse entered and Loopdan started to pick up activity. Something i overlooked due to my blindness drawing comparisons to my first game. Some of the things I posted are very much written with my mind set that Thespio is scum to the point that i's forgotten all about loopdan's defeatist attitude earlier. This mindset of mine very much continued until after my snap and Thespio asking for my reads again. From there I've been re-reading everyone's ISO and realising where I was standing is not where I should've been standing.
Thespio was straight on my case when I snapped pointing out what an anti-town thing it was to do. This seems like a play from town or a Loopdan Scum mate. But I don't think that Loopdan and Thespio are the scum team. Re-reading and looking at Thespio from both a scum mindset and a town mindset I can only see the posibilities of Thespio being town or in a scum team with Enter (more on that later) -

Town Lean

I'm off to quidditch now, will do Enter and Loopdan when I get back, sorry for dragging this out for so long

[Elements]

@Elements - Would you vote muh? You say muh is suspicious if I flip town. And you say I'm town. You said one of you or me are being lynched today. Why not muh instead?

Because there are currently no votes on muh. And as i've said before we get more information when you flip

[Elements]

I honestly don't understand how loopdan has managed to worm his way out from being no.1 lynch target

[Elements]

I honestly don't understand how loopdan has managed to worm his way out from being no.1 lynch target

Ok, it maybe my fault for getting seriously annoyed at this but still

[Elements]

Let's say Muh and I are both at L-1. You vote me there?

What information do you think we gain from your pov when muh flips in either circumstace?

[Elements]

anything about your reads?

[Elements]

I just closed the tab with Loopdan's and Enter's read wall....

[Elements]

ill rewrite some but not a detailed early game and more on recent developments of my reads

[Elements]

Enter

Early game entry looked good especially compared to the inactivity swamp. -

Town Lean

My blindness as stated before changed my mind as Enter's wall continued and loopdan stopped giving up -

Scum Read

This continued until recently when I've now been reading everything again and don't understand why Enter would, as scum, keep up such a facade for so long knowing Loopdan would flip town. So much effort has been put in for one town lynch, that might not even happen, that it isn't worth it -

Current Read -

Town Lean

Loopdan

I'm not going to bother with my reads from before I snapped because I was so blinded. Anywho -

Current Read -

Scum

Loopdan is the slipperiest, most greasy player I have ever experienced. Many of these things have been said before but I'll say them again. Throughout the game Loopdan has pretty much been the centre of attention. Multiple times they have been on the verge of lynching, always to somehow wriggle out of it. His defeatist way of thinking, especially

I'm going to leave this here and then let you guys lynch me.

Who does that? That is either 1) someone who has completely given up or 2) a way to guilt trap us into no lynching him. Given that since that time Loopdan has re entered the game I cannot believe the first option. Loopdan has been unbelievably manipulative this game and unbelievably unhelpful with any of his thoughts. I very much with Enter at this point. Loopdan is scum. Even his recent post have been avoiding the point. Post 797 like no shit sherlock. That is so unhelpful to anyone. Then 801 you're more interested in what I'd do, I'm saying I'll tell you when you tell me, something you've been doing all game all game yet barely giving any context to your reads when you rarely respond. I should've just hammered Loopdan earlier when I had the chance.
I agree with Enter at this point

Loopdan =

Scum

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Why can't you believe that a town player would give up when it looked hopeless and then be re-energized when the tide looks like it may be changing?

Because we still had a week to go for the day. You don't give up with a week to go

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I think the real issue is that you and your partner were thrilled that Enter had tunneled me when he showed up

I'd say you don't even know how wrong you are, but you're scum so you do

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Your acting as is this is a master plan I've had since post one, you give me too much credit

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Is everyone of the opinion that I'm getting lynched?

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In that case I'll play my trump card: I'm a power role

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I feel like we could have waited on that, but whatever.

I wanted to wait longer, but with time zone difereances ill be asleep for the last 8 hours of day 1

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So the mafia can't deduce the other PR. Unless they're both goons in which case they don't rlly care