Newbie 1977 - Game Over

[Formerfish]

I didn't expect to be in this game. I'm not sure what direction imma go in yet.

I'll vote for anyone who thinks they are good enough to be the lynch.

VOTE: Roy

Self voting is bad m'kay

[Formerfish]

ah 10 days for a whole day, who would have thought so.

How long do you think it should be? Shorter or Longer?

VOTE: dsjstr

I think it should be shorter since I hate long games.

Lol you picked the wrong se to play with if you don't like long games

Quake with fear and then urinate in your seat.

[Formerfish]

Also, anyone who doesn't have an avatar should totes get one. They make you easier to identify. If you need to know how, just ask.

[Formerfish]

I've been up all night helping my ex chase her dog around her neighborhood, who wants to fight me?

[Formerfish]

If you guys are trying to lynch me I'd rather I'd be for something rather than a policy.

I will point out that town won that game and I'll let you guys figure out for yourselves why town won that game.

By all means though, do what you feel you need to.

[Formerfish]

Which one was that? I've had so many good ones this year.

[Formerfish]

Which one was that? I've had so many good ones this year.

LOL - zero modesty xD

I'm on zero sleep and a little salty about some things. Doesn't make it not true though.

[Formerfish]

Which one was that? I've had so many good ones this year.

Newbie 1962. Day 2, you claimed Doc and got counterclaimed by masons.

I dug into your topics and found it. That was a bad play on my part. You should have seen me in the scum thread at that point too

[Formerfish]

If you guys are trying to lynch me I'd rather I'd be for something rather than a policy.

I will point out that town won that game and I'll let you guys figure out for yourselves why town won that game.

By all means though, do what you feel you need to.

Do you feel as though you're actually at risk of being lynched at the moment?

No, even if I was I wouldn't care that much. Policy lynches are bad, especially when it's against someone who A. Will help town win, and B. Will out himself as scum if I am because I'm not a good scum player.

So you're taking my focus away from the other players and finding scum because you're unnecessarily drawing my attention with your RVS push on me.

[Formerfish]

I don't think it is a bad idea to pressure the lynch, because the other two SE's are on it and the blatantly friendly relationship yoda has for former. I think there could potentially be some useful information we could get out of that. That's just my thoughts on the matter at this second, I learned D1 I tend to change opinions.

What info do you think you'll get out of my wagon? What will you do with the info you gain?

[Formerfish]

I don't think the wagon is good, one of the SE's said that. I think it could give information which would benefit the town.

If you think ithe wagon will give useful information, does this not define a good wagon then?

No, mislynches are bad, but then can give info.

Policy lynches are bad and also give no info.

[Formerfish]

On D1, I don't mind taking people to L-1 but if anyone hammers without acknowledging that they are going to hammer (lolhammers/quickhammers), I automatically scum read the hammerer. So for now, I'll play along.

VOTE: Fish

Cool. Who's my counterwagon going to be? I still like the guy who self voted and then replaced out, so I'm sticking there. Who's with me!?!

[Formerfish]

I wanna hammer.

Why?

[Formerfish]

almost never get to hammer

Might want to make sure your hammers are more quality over quantity.

[Formerfish]

I wanna hammer.

Considering that this is the first post I remember him making since the replace in, I don't have much of a solid read, it's just a bunch of things that ping me slightly building up into a crescendo.

[Formerfish]

If you guys are trying to lynch me I'd rather I'd be for something rather than a policy.

I will point out that town won that game and I'll let you guys figure out for yourselves why town won that game.

By all means though, do what you feel you need to.

Do you feel as though you're actually at risk of being lynched at the moment?

No, even if I was I wouldn't care that much. Policy lynches are bad, especially when it's against someone who A. Will help town win, and B.

Will out himself as scum if I am because I'm not a good scum player.

So you're taking my focus away from the other players and finding scum because you're unnecessarily drawing my attention with your RVS push on me.

Idk, I remember DrDrew mentioning a game where he was town, you were scum, and Drew was the only town member who was scumreading you. I would say that's a pretty decent achievement.

I can't think of a scum game I've played recently that a. I won and b. I feel I played well in.

I would need to look at the game Drew mentioned, but I guess my point is if I'm town I'm a benefit to to and if I'm not eventually people will figure that out and kill me. However I need time to do my thing and figure the game out before I get the honor of being the n1 kill.

[Formerfish]

Everyone confirmed but this game is still a snoozer. Whose taint do I have to tickle to get some action going in here? I'm game for whatever, let's get fucking weird.

[Formerfish]

ngl, gun-to-head, dsj/egi could be a thing just from first glance
past 1am here, bye for reals, gn everyone

Very progressive thinking! But for the record I don't swing that way.

I feel like this is a bit of a dodge. Like instead of addressing the individual reads or the linking of the two slots Jstr makes a joke about gay relationships and that's it.

VOTE: Jstr

We got ourselves a new wagon target folks, let's start this train a rollin'

[Formerfish]

What is your read of egix independent of the tie to your slot?

[Formerfish]

Actually I looked it up and I guess it is sheeping, I was using the term incorrectly in my last game, either way you don't take someone to L-1 because of sheeping when there is over 8 days left for D1. If this is why I get lynched I'm actually going to be a little upset.

VOTE: Yodavader

I mean, they brought you to l-1 after I was placed at l-2 in RVS.

It was also done after we as a group talked about how we were ready for some wagons to evolve so we could move on with the day.

I was the first push and was a good way to get out of RVS because people took sides or they abstained, all of that is tasty tasty info.

I pushed you for some fluff and some other minor tells and people agreed with me so they voted you and created a wagon.

The next step is that people will shit on the wagon or they will support it and call for you to claim.

Then you claim.

Then we discuss.

[Formerfish]

Yoda how can you change votes so easily, without knowing who the town is?

Actually I looked it up and I guess it is sheeping, I was using the term incorrectly in my last game, either way you don't take someone to L-1 because of sheeping when there is over 8 days left for D1. If this is why I get lynched I'm actually going to be a little upset.

VOTE: Yodavader

I could ask you the same thing. What exactly is your reasoning for voting Yoda here? OMGUS? Cause you don't mention a reason at all when you made your vote, Yoda has stated a good feel about me and then voted where I did after I made a bit of a case.

Why are you voting for Yoda?

[Formerfish]

The first quote was the reasoning, I sus him because he is bandwagoning(BW) and just following the crowd. Trying to blend in with the crowd.

He was the 4th vote on your wagon, why focus there?

Also, do you need help finding an avatar? I am willing to offer my services.

[Formerfish]

Jstr how about this avi?

[Formerfish]

I didn't draw that, i just googled and resized.

[Formerfish]

Its a jester, like your name jstr

[Formerfish]

I had made a rule that I was only allowed to unvote, which I followed perfectly might I add. If a counter wagon was to form the 5 people who have said that I looked scummy are the people who have been active, I would think that the other three would think I am also scummy when ever they join. I really don't know where to start just because of how quickly everyone supported this wagon.

You made a rule you can only unvote? What?

Intent to hammer. Let's get a claim out of you Jstr.

[Formerfish]

Reads right now
Townlean Yoda alex Former 72 Egix Merc Imh Dsj Scumlean

Yoda's posts are coming off as more genuine(?) than the others. Genuine as in it feels in line with what he as town would probably be thinking.

Y tho

VOTE: Alex

"Y tho" what? There's a lot of info there and you're asking a very broad question.

Also, where did that vote on Alex come from?

[Formerfish]

his ISO is almost as dead as mine?

You ignored my other question.

Do you think that his activity is Alignment Indicative? If his iso is as dead as yours why shouldnt I be voting you by your own standards?

[Formerfish]

I had made a rule that I was only allowed to unvote, which I followed perfectly might I add. If a counter wagon was to form the 5 people who have said that I looked scummy are the people who have been active, I would think that the other three would think I am also scummy when ever they join. I really don't know where to start just because of how quickly everyone supported this wagon.

You made a rule you can only unvote? What?

Intent to hammer. Let's get a claim out of you Jstr.

Former, can you explain this post. Why did you claim intent to hammer, despite literally being unable to hammer?

Bro what's your start date? Is this a legit question?

VOTE: Unvote

Btw

[Formerfish]

What does everyone think of this claim?

We take it for what it is because even if he's scum lying and we actually have a tracker they shouldn't out, nor should town PRS who can contradict Jstrs claim with other roles.

[Formerfish]

Tracker means that scum has either a roleblocker or a role cop as one of their roles.

[Formerfish]

Also means that we have either a Jailkeeper or a doctor.

If we have a Jailkeeper they should be trying to stop the kill by picking scum.

If we have a doctor the doctor should either be on Jstr or maybe not? Wifom of course means that scum will be forced to not kill Jstr to make sure their kill goes through.

No other prs should out themselves. And if for some shit reason the next person run up is the other or don't say which one please.

[Formerfish]

Fish ISO:

p49: Feels a little scummy to me because it feels a bit forced, “I’m all blasé, whatevs lynch me, like I don’t care if im lynch, because im on town team and can win even if im dead”
(my paraphrasing of the vibe this post gives me)
Scummy vibe: -1

P84: I find it odd Fish responds to this question given I asked it of DSJ

P115: Votes for DSJ – at this time reasonable given I agree the DSJ post was a bit scummy, but not really a strong townie vibe given he is pretty desperate to get the wagon off him, but I guess given the scarcity of scumminess other than lurking to this stage of the game, was a reasonable place to put a vote.
Townie vibe: +1

P117: asks a good question about egix slot independently
Townie vibe: +1

P128: Discussing the votes on DSJ, I don’t like the rather nebulous phrase “other minor tells” as part of his reason to vote for DSJ. If you have tells you should elaborate esp if you are voting for a lynch and its not an RVS vote but an actually intent to have lynched vote.
Scummy vibe: -2




@Fish: Are you able to elaborate on these enigmatic “other minor tells”?




P133: “He was the 4th vote on your wagon, why focus there?”
I thought it was more than reasonable to focus on this 4th vote.
I would say Fish’s p133 unfairly paints DSJ with a bad brush / unreasonably criticising DSJ’s focus on yoda – the other 3 votes on the wagon were an RVS vote, 2 votes for the scummy dodging joking post by DSJ. If I were in DSJ’s slot I think I would’ve done the same.
Feels like scum pushing an agenda, something that fits a neat narrative, rather than looking for scumminess
Scummy vibe: -2

p156: Scummy as post - demanding for a claim by someone in NO position to ask for a claim.
1) Did NOT have hammering ability
2) Was the other wagon, so totally biased in the votes
3) Wagon included an RVS vote, and a lets wagon for the sake of wagoning vote, was not full of actual FoS voters
Scummy vibe: -3

P173: “PR CC should NOT claim” – say what? This is fishing at best, bad advice at worst. If there is a CC to this then we have a guaranteed mafia – if the lynch was going to proceed and everyone agreed DSJ was super scummy then yes CCing PR would stay quiet, but if the lynch of DSJ was NOT going to proceed, then yes CCing PR would have to CC
Scummy vibe: -2

P174: more role fishing
Scummy vibe: -1

P175: even more role fishing
Scummy vibe: -1

NAI posts: 14,16,31,48,86,88,91,94,109,111,129,135,137,139,157.

Summary: Scummy as. -10

None of that is role fishing. I am specifically trying to limit the damage that can be done if Jstr is scum and fake claiming.

If Jstr is scum then he would fake claim to try and draw out the real PRs so that scum can kill them over night. If town has a tracker and they CC they die tonight. If they don't CC here they can use their ability, possibly nail down the other scum and then out that they are the real tracker tomorrow with a result on someone.

What does everyone think is supposed to happen here? Only scum has more info than we do, so we need to push and prod to get info to make decisions. I pushed a wagon that I felt could be on scum. They claimed tracker, and now everyone is like oooo he pushed a wagon and it's a or he must be scum.

Why as scum would I push that hard this early? People that are town are playing right into scums hands by trying to eliminate me.

If you Muppets wanna mislynch then keep pushing me.

[Formerfish]

When you say they are playing into scum hands do you mean my hand? I completely agreed that a scum wouldn't be pushing early which is why I made the comment that you looked scum only because you targeted a PR. But if I was a mafia why would I claim a PR when it could get CC'd immediately. I basically killed myself tonight... I clearly am not the best at this game because I just started, I can't tell if you over/under estimating my ability. You basically forced me to put you at L-1. I really would have rather put pressure on someone who hasn't spoken much. If you still thought it was me why are you not voting me? FUCK you were 1 of 3 people I thought could be the other PR.

VOTE: FormerFish

L-1

but I do think people are just saying what looks good. What I mean by that is that Former looks bad because he made a PR reveal, and that people are going to agree with me because I outed as a PR.

No, I've said your claim is to be believed until something happened to change that scenario, like a counter, which we'd examine if one came.

I was saying that town voting me is doing scums bidding because they know getting me out of the game early is better for them. The more time I get and the more interactions I have the tighter the town block I'm going to build. At least 1 scum is pushing me right now, I would say it was whoever started doing it second because they were embolden by the 1st personz who's probably town by the way.

I doubt the 3rs person is scum, probably just excited town.

I don't think that both scum would be pushing me right now because when I flip town, which they know I will, it would put a big target on the people pushing me for tomorrow's lynch.

[Formerfish]

Yoda's placeholder vote on me feels a little more suspect right now on second thought.

[Formerfish]

Your system also sucks because it takes no account for posters with low counts.

Like if you have a confbias towards me I'm going to have a significantly higher scum score under your system because I have a lot of posts and you don't like a lot of my posts.

What you lack is a reason why scum me acts the way that you say is Making me scummy.

Also, admit that me talking about what potential prs should do as a result is not role fishing. With the tracker claim there are 3, yes I missed one, but really it doesn't matter because the friendly neighbor can't do anything to protect the claimed tracker, so there would be no reason for them to out today anyways.

[Formerfish]

@ Fish - You've obviously read my post since you are denying the role fishing that I stated.
I'm still awaiting a response Regarding what "other minor tells" you had on DSJ.

Sorry I missed the question you threw into the middle of that rambling mess of an iso. I wish i had a how to course for newbies to follow to help clean posts like that up.

Honestly, i just looked at the bottom to see how accurate you were going to be and saw a 10 scum score and that you think me telling the other pr to not come out is role fishing so i dont put to much stock in your isos or much of anything else you have to say.

But ill play along cause i feel like this is a good teaching moment.

I don't think it is a bad idea to pressure the lynch,

because the other two SE's are on it

and the blatantly friendly relationship yoda has for former. I think there could potentially be some useful information we could get out of that. That's just my thoughts on the matter at this second, I learned D1 I tend to change opinions.

The bolded pinged me when i first read it because its excusing his own actions by saying that people who should know better don't so why should he?

The preview button helps a lot, I have to say I am so much more engaged than the first game I played.

I looked and saw his first game was as a mason. How are you move involved in a thread now than in your first game where you were confirmable town? Maybe by being scum?

ngl, gun-to-head, dsj/egi could be a thing just from first glance
past 1am here, bye for reals, gn everyone

Very progressive thinking! But for the record I don't swing that way.

This felt like a dodge, which i mentioned in step.

I just don't see the connection between us. Is it because we both didn't want to lynch early?

It was strange to me that he focused on the link here and neither of the reads made.

Actually I looked it up and I guess it is sheeping, I was using the term incorrectly in my last game, either way you don't take someone to L-1 because of sheeping when there is over 8 days left for D1. If this is why I get lynched I'm actually going to be a little upset.

VOTE: Yodavader

Yoda how can you change votes so easily, without knowing who the town is?

Then these the two together left a bad taste in my mouth.

So all of those added up to enough for me to push for a wagon on them based on the posts above.

Now i know differently and have unvoted and now im looking elsewhere.

[Formerfish]

Alex ISO:

P61: I agree, good question asked of Fish
Townie vibe: +1

P68: Questioning re: joining wagon – trying to keep DSJ to be accountable
Townie vibe: +1

P161/163/167: I had the same impressions re hammering coming out of nowhere, Alex Querying Fish’s hammering intent
Townie vibe: +1

P165: Seeks clarification Re: Non Im reads
Townie vibe: +1

P168: Asks good pro-town questions Re: his reads on others that haven’t been discussed much
Townie vibe: +1

p194: Alex takes a stance Re claim and I agree with this – scum will most likely claim PR top fish, but yes, I do agree that DSJ is most likely to be town
Townie vibe: +1

p200: Yes, the ‘Placeholder’ vote sounded weird, another good pro-town question
Townie vibe: +1

P202 – I got a weird vibe from this interaction with yoda – I can’t really place my finger on it, but it just seems a bit off to me. Seems like an odd response to just say “fair”. Idk, just rubbed me the wrong way.
Scummy vibe: -1


@ Yoda, how does this placeholder vote differ to your vote on DSJ?


P206 – Alex’s reads feel similar to my sentiments Re: scumscale overall prior to ISOing everyone.
Townie vibe: +2

P207 – discussion with yoda continues on from p202, still feels a bit weird. Idk.
I don’t really agree with merc’s post being too irksome – seemed reasonable to me.
Scummy vibe: -1

NAI posts: 17,18,69,70,166,169,193,208,210

Summary: +7. Town Read.

Hm this points system is a bit arbitrary, I have more of a TR on DSJ than I do on Alex but the points system has Alex in front, I guess some of these +1’s should be more like +0.5’s etc if I was to arrive at how I actually read the 2 players in relative terms overall.

-10 for Fish is probably overly high a number for how much I actually FoS Fish, too, in relative terms.

this is one way you could tidy this up.

Another would be to highlight the part you want to respond to and then click the quote tab to only pull what you had highlighted out and then respond to it, then cut and paste it into another open tab/window and create the wall that way. The easier you make it to understand what you are saying the more people will read.

[Formerfish]

P 120: votes for DSJ with ok reasoning.

What's "ok reasoning" to you?

Have you checked out the post i made in response to your rather aggressive request for me to respond yet?

Love to hear what you think about my reasoning for voting Jstr when I did.

[Formerfish]

Also @Fish, could you tell me about your mentality with the whole declaring intent to hammer on a wagon you're already on. You totally dismissed the question last time I asked it as if it was a joke. If you're town, treat it as a learning experience for me to understand the town motivation behind it.

Its a hammer test.

Micc posted a vc in 151

Jstr posted in 152-154

And i hammer tested in 156.

A hammer test is done for a multitude of reasons.

The first being that the person being run up gives some sort of reaction.

Next we have the reactions from the other players. Does anyone point out that the intent to hammer was illegitimate or do they recognize what was done and keep their mouths shut to see what happens?

Next we have the pressure and the claim. Pressured scum has a higher chance of making a mistake and it being something that we could capitalize on.

If the claim is real then we have a basically conftown in jstr until he isnt and we can examine the interactions based on everything that has happened so far with the new info of Jstr being a town pr.

Look through my iso and you will see game after game after game after fucking game where I do this any chance i get. There is nothing better than a well crafted hammer test and I am never going to feel bad about doing it ever. This is the game, hate it, not me for playing.

[Formerfish]

Guys, it was a riff on dont hate the player, hate the game.

Im not saying that anyone literally hates me. I think you guys should drink your own koolaid and relax.

[Formerfish]

Pennsylvania when I am at school

Which part? Im outside Pittsburgh.

[Formerfish]

y'all want to kill me off? kk, I wanna hammer.
great acting, Former/Yoda? idk
smarter than he lets on, jk? idk
voted cuz ND tr-ed me for no good reason IMO
skipped them, no offense, glad he had fun tho
kek
green, maybe

don't make me read anymore, nearly 1am, need sleep

p-edit
figured jk/cc/scum, then scum?, idk, too self-aware

I've understood almost nothing of this. Can you please explain further or is someone able to translate this for me...

It's a response to 281

Egix this is a bit of an odd response from you here. I dont think Offsuit is wondering why Non made that post, I think OS is wondering what the hell any of that meant, cause its mostly gobbledy gook to me so i feel like OS is as confused as I am by the post.

Why did you respond when you obviously didnt understand OS' post? It wasn't directed at you and your input was not helpful or good.

[Formerfish]

Guys, it was a riff on dont hate the player, hate the game.

Im not saying that anyone literally hates me. I think you guys should drink your own koolaid and relax.

Hmm... koolaid... sounds tasty. Are you offering some?

I can't offer you my koolaid because you guys need to drink your own in this made up scenario.

[Formerfish]

kek xD so dumb, like lambs to slaughter, it's all there, not even that subtle, assuming he's red of course
VOTE: Non
y'all suck at dancing BTW

This is a self vote to put himself at l-1.

Anyone have a good reason why I shouldn't hammer here?

[Formerfish]

Oh shit, I guess I could legit hammer test here.

Non, I'm giving intent to hammer. Would you like to make a claim?

[Formerfish]

My brain's sitting around here at the moment reads wise

{Alexcellent; dsjstr}
{72offsuit}
{NDmath}

{Egix96; Yodavader}
{Non Imh; Mercutio; FormerFish}

translate this for me ds

Looks like that's a scum lean on egix and Yoda.

Scum reads on Non, Merc and me.

Whooo that was hard. I'm going to go take a nap.

[Formerfish]

what's happening now

Looks like you're getting lynched. Thoughts?

[Formerfish]

Yeet

[Formerfish]

I don't have a problem with Non Imh lynch

Yeah you wouldn't.

VOTE: Alex

[Formerfish]

Former, what did you mean by 322?

Uhh... What do you think it means?

[Formerfish]

I don't have a problem with Non Imh lynch

Yeah you wouldn't.

VOTE: Alex

Care to share your reads (aside from an apparent scum read on me)? This is the second time I've asked you now

No, and I don't care.

[Formerfish]

Egix this is a bit of an odd response from you here. I dont think Offsuit is wondering why Non made that post, I think OS is wondering what the hell any of that meant, cause its mostly gobbledy gook to me so i feel like OS is as confused as I am by the post.

Why did you respond when you obviously didnt understand OS' post? It wasn't directed at you and your input was not helpful or good.

It's because I was just briefly peeping in at the time and that was what I saw.

Use your time better then.

[Formerfish]

I keep forgetting about the 36 v 48 hour prod timers for newbies.

I'll be around tonight. Anyone wanna dance?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: formerfish

fish feels like they're angry at town for not listening to them because he's more experienced and i don't like that

This is the only thing you feel like commenting on? Would you like to quote some posts where you feel like what you said is applicable? Do you feel like aggression is scummy?

[Formerfish]

Does anyone else follow the stats on newbies who replace out of newbie games?

[Formerfish]

Other mason should not claim!! If you think he is telling the truth vote for me.

Scum fake claiming would not say this. Having both masons out if they existed (which they dont) would be a scummers dream come true.

[Formerfish]

game was solved without me, maybe
not anti-town, just petty
and I legit thought there was less than a day left
I'M SORRY

last game I do something like this BTW, promise
town can kill themselves for all I care, I just want to solve..

Would you like to clear anything else up? Like how you claimed mason with a claimed Tracker out there...

[Formerfish]

It sorta feels like non imh is maf and merc left because he was partenered with him, lol.

What if this is spot on?

[Formerfish]

What is everyone's read on GBJ so far?

i go by jailor/GBJ

also tring non imh, will expand in a few

non probably isn't mason, by ongoing games

VOTE: formerfish

fish feels like they're angry at town for not listening to them because he's more experienced and i don't like that

Well, he's tring someone who effectively cced a claimed PR and he is scum reading me and I know thats wrong, so not great.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: formerfish

fish feels like they're angry at town for not listening to them because he's more experienced and i don't like that

Can you point out some examples of where you're getting this vibe from? I'm scum reading him but for different reasons I think.

Have you expanded on your reasons yet and I missed it?

i go by jailor/GBJ

also tring non imh, will expand in a few

It's been a few, can you expand on this?

He did, when he mentioned an active game.

[Formerfish]

*psst*
*whispers* I think that's your cue Fish

This definitely sounds like caught mafia trying to pretend who their partner is.

Scum me wouldnt need to be reminded in thread by a newbie to hammer them as scum. I would have told them long ago in the scum pt to expect it if it ever came to that.

[Formerfish]

Why are you voting me currently?

I feel like your reads list isnt backed up, your reads are vapid, and I know youre wrong about me so I have to take the rest of your reads with a grain of salt.

I felt like the non wagon was tainted and wasnt ready to hammer it, but now im wondering if Non was daring me to.

[Formerfish]

They can choose to no kill.

[Formerfish]

Non are you around? We need to have a direct conversation.

[Formerfish]

I mean, if Non is legit claiming mason than either he or Jstr need to die today and I'm not hanging a claimed tracker over an unverified mason claim from a sketchy at dude.

[Formerfish]

I dunno if they are still being kept up, but I know at one point there was a higher than rand chance of a newbie being scum if they replaced out of a newbie game. I think the number went higher the earlier it happened and the less the people spoke.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Non

Dude should have been able to help us navigate the quagmire he created but he isn't. Less than 2 days in the phase and I'm not getting lynched.

[Formerfish]

ND should have gotten a prod. He may or may not show.

[Formerfish]

I didn't create it, you lot did.
Y'all really think they didn't notice?
Nah, they're just letting you have your fun.
You shouldn't underestimate SE's, ever.

and stop townreading me, it's annoying
kbye

I feel like one day we will understand this guys posts, today is not that day.

Someone hammer this goober.

[Formerfish]

Nd intent was given already he claimed a mason.

You can safely hammer.

[Formerfish]

If he does then we know that Jstr is scum and will hang tomorrow.

I am not a mason.

[Formerfish]

I'll hammer in nine hours if they're still at L-1 and I don't think of something or something happens which causes me to change my mind.

what is going to change in 9 hours?

I called for Non to have a talk with me, he responded with a post that Robert Langdon wouldnt be able to decipher. It would be the shortest Dan Brown book yet.

You can hammer Nd, or is Non your partner and you dont wanna bus right now?

[Formerfish]

Well this just got interesting.

Jstr have a track for us or naw?

[Formerfish]

i told you all non was vt
>:(

But is that because you had a good read or because you're scum who knows that there was never going to be a masonry?

[Formerfish]

I'm assuming scum was hunting for the other or because they know they can't stop them from acting, which makes me think that scum have a role cop.

[Formerfish]

Well this just got interesting.

Jstr have a track for us or naw?

Well since only 3/36 newbie games have both mafia as SE's that makes me a prime target so I am going to stay on the sidelines for a bit. I will 100% answer that question eventually, you can push me for it later.

Uhh... What? You are a claimed tracker who didn't die last night. Who did you target?

[Formerfish]

I guess I'll say it... I saw Yoda visited 72, I was also visited by the neighbor. So we are in a role cop setup.

VOTE: Yoda

I kinda don't want the Neighbor to out themselves. I'm good with lynching Yoda, not yet though, we have time to think about things.

[Formerfish]

This is good shit

Ds almost certainly dying tonight though, isn't it better for the neighbour to be confirmed today to guarantee we go into D3 with a conf townie and have a smaller lynch pool?

I mean, if scum wanted to counterclaim tomorrow after we lynch scum today, then i'd be ok with that. Id rather not give scum info they can use to make better decisions at night.

Whoever is the neighbor made a 200iq play hitting the Tracker so they would know if they saw someone go to 72 they would know that was scum and not town hitting at the same time.

[Formerfish]

Hey, can you guys unvote for a bit? We have 2 votes on him right now and 2 scum left. All it takes is one more vote for Yoda to be able to self hammer and then we go straight back to night.

We know Yoda is the lynch today, lets look at his iso a bit as a group before we go to sleep for another 2 days.

[Formerfish]

I wanna have time to iso Yoda and I'm doing something else right now.

[Formerfish]

Hey, can you guys unvote for a bit? We have 2 votes on him right now and 2 scum left. All it takes is one more vote for Yoda to be able to self hammer and then we go straight back to night.

We know Yoda is the lynch today, lets look at his iso a bit as a group before we go to sleep for another 2 days.

Yo yo. This is a real request. Please adhere.

[Formerfish]

Votecount 1.00

Not Voting (9) -

RS,

72offsuit

,

dsjstr

, NDMath,

Royee

,

Yodavader

, Egix96,

Formerfish

, Alexcellent

Ahh everything still had so much promise here... By this count there are 4 townies confirmed to me, 1 scum and then 4 unknowns. That means in the 4 we have the Neighbor and the other scummer with 2 vts. Scum is going to be forced to take out the tracker tonight because they have the highest chance of outing the last scum if they dont kill the tracker.

I am open to a mass claim today because I think that we can narrow the PoE down even more and we might have a way to win this mechanically (semi).

Votecount 1.01

Non Imh

(2) -

Non Imh

,

Formerfish

dsjstr

(1) -

NDMath

Formerfish

(1) -

Alexcellent

72offsuit

(1) -

Yodavader

Yodavader

(1) -

72offsuit

Not Voting (3) -

RS, Egix96,

dsjstr

Votecount 1.02

Formerfish

(2) -

Alexcellent, Egix96

Non Imh

(1) -

Formerfish

dsjstr

(1) -

NDMath

72offsuit

(1) -

Yodavader

Yodavader

(1) -

72offsuit

Not Voting (3) -

mercutio,

dsjstr

,

Non Imh

Votecount 1.03

dsjstr

(3) -

NDMath,

Formerfish

, mercutio

Formerfish

(2) -

Alexcellent,

Yodavader

Yodavader

(1) -

72offsuit

Not Voting (3) -

dsjstr

,

Non Imh

, Egix96

This VC shows a little tie between Yoda and Alex. Other scum is either on the sidelines or on Jstr.

Votecount 1.04

dsjstr

(4) -

NDMath,

Formerfish

, mercutio,

Yodavader

Yodavader

(2) -

72offsuit

,

dsjstr

Formerfish

(1) -

Alexcellent

Not Voting (2) -

Non Imh

, Egix96

Yoda jumps to Jstr, now with ND and Gayslot

Votecount 1.05

dsjstr

(3) -

NDMath, mercutio,

Yodavader

Yodavader

(2) -

72offsuit

,

dsjstr

Formerfish

(1) -

Alexcellent

Alexcellent (1) -

Non Imh

Not Voting (2) -

Egix96,

Formerfish

Votecount 1.06

Formerfish

(3) -

Alexcellent,

Yodavader

,

72offsuit

dsjstr

(1) -

mercutio

Yodavader

(1) -

dsjstr

Alexcellent (1) -

Non Imh

Not Voting (3) -

Egix96,

Formerfish

, NDMath

Yoda is back with Alex.

Votecount 1.07

Formerfish

(3) -

Alexcellent,

Yodavader

,

72offsuit

dsjstr

(1) -

mercutio

Alexcellent (1) -

Non Imh

Egix96 (1) -

NDMath

Not Voting (3) -

Egix96,

Formerfish

,

dsjstr

Votecount 1.07

Formerfish

(3) -

Alexcellent,

72offsuit

,

dsjstr

Non Imh

(2) -

NDMath, Egix96

dsjstr

(1) -

mercutio

Alexcellent (1) -

Non Imh

Not Voting (2) -

Formerfish

,

Yodavader

Votecount 1.08

Non Imh

(4) -

NDMath, Egix96,

dsjstr

,

Non Imh

Formerfish

(2) -

Alexcellent,

72offsuit

Not Voting (3) -

Formerfish

,

Yodavader

, mercutio

Yoda and Gayslot on the bench.

Votecount 1.09

Non Imh

(4) -

NDMath, Egix96,

dsjstr

,

Non Imh

Formerfish

(2) -

Alexcellent,

72offsuit

Alexcellent (1) -

Formerfish

Not Voting (2) -

Yodavader

, mercutio

Yoda and Gayslot alone on the bench while we all kill Non and everyone else is on me, except for me, im on Alex.

Votecount 1.10

Non Imh

(3) -

NDMath, Egix96,

dsjstr

Formerfish

(2) -

Alexcellent,

72offsuit

Alexcellent (2) -

Formerfish

,

Non Imh

Not Voting (2) -

Yodavader

, GayBabyJailor

Votecount 1.11

Non Imh

(2) -

Egix96,

dsjstr

Formerfish

(2) -

Alexcellent,

72offsuit

Alexcellent (2) -

Formerfish

,

Non Imh

Not Voting (3) -

Yodavader

, GayBabyJailor, NDMath

ND goes to the bench with Yoda and Gayslot.

Votecount 1.12

Non Imh

(4) -

Egix96,

dsjstr

, Alexcellent,

Formerfish

Formerfish

(2) -

72offsuit

, GayBabyJailor

Alexcellent (1) -

Non Imh

Not Voting (2) -

Yodavader

, NDMath

Yoda and ND sitting in a tre... nevermind.

Votecount 1.13

Non Imh

(5) -

Egix96,

dsjstr

, Alexcellent,

Formerfish

,

Non Imh

Formerfish

(2) -

72offsuit

, GayBabyJailor

Not Voting (2) -

Yodavader

, NDMath

Ok. So Non lynch has at least 3 town on it, Egix and Alex are unknowns. One town was on me with Gayslot. And scumYoda was sitting on the bench with ND.

Votecount 2.00

Not Voting (7) -

GayBabyJailor,

dsjstr

, NDMath,

Yodavader

, Egix96,

Formerfish

, Alexcellent

That brings us here. I know I'm town, Jstr is town and we have one more that can confirm themselves. With the 4 left, we have 1 caught scum, and 1 goon with 2 vts.

Can we do something here?

What do you guys see?

[Formerfish]

Bruh don't be saying there is a goon left, last time I went hard on a "slip" it hurt the town.

True, I guess I was assuming that scum could multitask here because theres no reason for the goon to make the kill while the role cop was going out to cop.

[Formerfish]

Based on the VCA I think last scum is either gbj or former.

Care to share how you came to those conclusions?

[Formerfish]

Based on the VCA I think last scum is either gbj or former.

Care to share how you came to those conclusions?

Moreso, do you think as scum I would have made that post if i for a second thought that I was going to be implicated by my own work? Hell no, if I were scum I wouldnt even touch vca unless it made me look squeaky clean.

You're funny man, but are you town?

[Formerfish]

also 72's most scummiest at eod1 were me and math and im town so math is sus

also 72's most scummiest at eod1 were me and gbj and im town so gbj is sus

I guess I'll say it... I saw Yoda visited 72, I was also visited by the neighbor. So we are in a role cop setup.

VOTE: Yoda

VOTE: DS

That's a bold-faced lie. I didn't do anything last night. You were stuck with your tracker claimed and made up results.

Oh Yoda... If he's lying, where are our PRs counterclaiming so we can hang the liar.

More likely, you're scum caught red handed.

[Formerfish]

So, as town, is it better to lie about having a PR when I don't? How is me saying that I am something that I am not beneficial to town? I am VT but still town. And the game is still young. Why would the PRs out themselves when there is still scum floating around.

VOTE: Yoda

This can die now. Our neighbor stays hidden and the last scum can decide to Neighbor hunt or take out the Tracker.

We have 7 alive right now. If we Lynch correctly it puts us at 5v1. Scum kills Jstr tonight and that puts up at 4v1 with a pr left.

Even if we mislynch tomorrow that puts us at 3v1, and a no puts us at 3 person lylo.

I don't see how we lose this game as town.

[Formerfish]

Assuming that I am scum and DS is the tracker, then there is only one correct play. I hope you know what it is.

Hey look, Yoda telling his partner to kill Jstr tonight! Good deal.

Lets get this lynch done so I can pay attention to more important things.

[Formerfish]

I used my time to do the VCA and then talked to a few of the living people, then you did your scum thing and here we are.

Ive put in the work, youve done nothing but die a slow death, vote yourself and have your buddy hammer to go to night.

I got shit to do now and lynching you is high on my list.

[Formerfish]

why didn't scum kill me smhing my smh my head

Why would they have? I know you probably think you look pretty good. It's ok.

[Formerfish]

Shhh...

[Formerfish]

Why?

[Formerfish]

Nah.

Them staying hidden means that scum has to be much more careful with who they push because they don't know if they are actually pushing the Neighbor.

Neighbor stays hidden.

[Formerfish]

Someone got a result last night. So they know who the neighbor is. Scum may know since they have a role cop (I forgot about that) so they might kill correctly tonight, but that gives the neighbor another night to say hello to one of us.

We gain info from that after killing in a smaller group today.

I'm looking hard at NDM.

[Formerfish]

Alex, you're over thinking this. Look at my VCA and look at how NDM finished yesterday.

He's the partner.

Look at NDM.

[Formerfish]

Babyj, Alex, NDM and Egix, can i get a top to bottom poe from you guys?

[Formerfish]

Thank you for your answer, I look forward to you being caught up.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: NDM

Get rekt

[Formerfish]

Ok, I know who scum is now.

[Formerfish]

Well shit, I was hoping that I'd die after I said that and the Gay Jesus would survive as the Neighbor, but i guess scum role copped him or they picked up on the fact that he was the nieghbor.

I can effort this in a day or so if you guys can give me that long.

Town should not vote yet because if they pick wrong scum can hammer and game is over.

I will say that if the other town person trusts me that they can vote not me and i wont quick hammer. That should clear me a little more. Gay Jesus trusted me, you should too.

[Formerfish]

Not last night but the one before. The day I basically told him not to claim he had visited me the night before.

[Formerfish]

Hey other town member.

Put a vote on the other player who isn't me.

I'll show you something cool.

[Formerfish]

Alex are you town?

[Formerfish]

Vote egix

[Formerfish]

Alex...

[Formerfish]

I dont like you dodging me Alex. Makes me think you are scum scared to make a move because you dont know what im getting at.

[Formerfish]

Its pretty simple.

I want you to vote for egix right now. Then imma do a trick.

[Formerfish]

Alex, fucking vote egix

[Formerfish]

Dude. If you are town, then vote for egix in your next post, or im going to give up on my trick and lynch you.

[Formerfish]

Well shit, I was hoping that I'd die after I said that and the Gay Jesus would survive as the Neighbor, but i guess scum role copped him or they picked up on the fact that he was the nieghbor.

I can effort this in a day or so if you guys can give me that long.

Town should not vote yet because if they pick wrong scum can hammer and game is over.

I will say that if the other town person trusts me that they can vote not me and i wont quick hammer. That should clear me a little more. Gay Jesus trusted me, you should too.

Is this the 'effort' I've been waiting for?

I dont owe you anything. What effort have you put in. Egix is doing work.

[Formerfish]

All I see is you not wanting to eliminate someone from your lynch pool.

If you vote and I dont hammer, that means im town, and that locks you into voting egix and only egix, and thats bad for you.

Thats why you wont vote, because if you do it tightens your noose.

[Formerfish]

Alex, I have a way to prove to you i am town and you arent taking it.

This shouldnt change your read on me, you should be jumping at the chance to clear me and put that paranoia to bed and go in on egix.

You are hesitating because if you do vote you are confirming me as town and scum doesnt want to do that.

Town would want to confirm me.

[Formerfish]

You think Egix is gonna have thi smuch hesitation on hammer testing me?

Im sure hed want to clear me since its between me and you for him.

[Formerfish]

Listen dude, I'm almost certainly one of the worst town players on this entire site but not even I am that dumb to fall for this.

I vote for Egix and one of two things happens:
a) It clears you as town to me
b) It LOSES THE GAME

Town would want to confirm me too, so if you believed any of the shit you're saying then town you would be voting Egix to try and clear me. This has kind of changed a significant amount of my read on you. It feels an awful lot like you know more about my alignment than you should if you're town.

It has nothing to do with you being dumb. If you were town and had a town read on me then you would know that its egix as the last scum, instead of clearing me youre acting all paranoid now and refusing to clear me because you have seen that egix is clearly leaning towards you being scum, so your path to victory gets a lot harder with a cleared me.

im not going to try and clear you because I dont know youre town. You should know I am.

Again, when Egix gets on, what do you think he is going to do?

[Formerfish]

How do you know it's between me and you for him?

I want you to look at this and think for a second why this is one of the dumbest things youve ever said in your life.

Why wouldn't it be between you and i for Egix? If he is scum he would still need to pick one of us as town.

Right now we are in a lylo situation. That means that there is 1 scum and 2 town. I know im town and im looking for the other town member.

You dont seem to have the same goal as me, and by voting me you know that we lose if egix hammers, which since im town and you claim to be town he will.

But you know, trust him and not me, right?

[Formerfish]

So when egix comes in and doesnt hammer me because hes already figured out im town, then what?

You dont have much of an endgame here.

[Formerfish]

Thats fine, Egix can be clear, and then he will vote you, and then town wins.

Or he votes me and we lose.

[Formerfish]

You dont seem to be worrying about Egix scum, is that because you know hes town?