Newbie 1368 - Will there ever be a title? (GAME OVER)

[Core_H86]

I'm here just reading the 19 pages. My third game taking my time trying to take advantage of all the content and interactions between players hoping to find a consistent scum partnership. Don't plan on readng previous game treating this as a new game and never used meta as a tell. Hi all!

[Core_H86]

^#1 suspect

[Core_H86]

^#1 suspect

[Core_H86]

sorry double post and dont start OMGUS attacking me, Candillian I'm still only up to page 9 took a break back to reading....

[Core_H86]

Sorry for the delay guys. Got in-laws coming into town tomorrow, a bit busy.

TOWN:
Me
Grim - been over this already
Homer - asks good questions, gives solid analysis
Syr - This is more gut than anything, but I think upon realizing his "scumslip" mistake, if he was actual scum he would've tried to spin it instead of just owning up to it. Felt annoyed by his mistake in later posts and refuses to justify attacks based on it.

NULL
Crand/David - Provides a lot of analysis, but doesn't actually challenge many people with questions
RachMarie - Leaning slight town. She has stopped lurking and I don't see anything coming from a scum mindset.

SCUM
Ravenpaw - Didn't scumhunt, didnt pressure with votes, really didn't do much. Lets see what Mothrax does.

Candy - duh

INCOMPLETE
Shaboo

Actually looking over the thread and ISOs, Im surprised by how little questions are actually being asked. A lot of analysis, but not a lot of questions. The huge amount of lurk replacements probably isn't helping much.

Are there any questions anyone has of me in case I am the lynch? Any posts they want me to explain? I don't have a lot of info, and I could be completely wrong about the scum team, but Im willing to answer whatever.

Sorry for the large post... I'm reading from both sides here could you elaborate, only ask because from page 1-10 he's my #1 suspect

[Core_H86]

still reading from both ends of th wick and have no vote. any player feel my vote should go one way or the other?


Preview edit^obviously still catching up because that makes NO sense.

[Core_H86]

I mean seriously Syrana WTF does that mean in post 489 please dont confuse me. I feel i'm at a disadvantage to help.

[Core_H86]

Hey it's ok Syryana I'm not voting yet...But for the rest, I lean a candillan/syryana team (only read up to page 13) I could note Candillan has never voted for Syryana and Syryana only voted for Candillan for two post (for insignificant reasons) Where is the pressure of your votes?(Syryana?) What throws me off is seeing your join date and knowing you (syryana) can't be that good of scum. ----Taking input from others beings we have less than 24 hours to investigate and catching up this far is proving to be difficult.

[Core_H86]

It could help me out alot if Syryana gave me his read on candillan and candillan gave me his read on Syryana..... (so many pages in between i have to read)

[Core_H86]

I'm not fully caught up but we have Aprox 25 hours to lynch. Someone please explain the case on Lngrr to me.

Long story super short, the tone in his posts this game is dispassionate and emotionless compared to last game.

Spoiler: Longer now

Spoiler: Longer then

Can you provide specific examples of posts last game vs this game to better illustrate your point?

Also, is his change in tone the only reason you find him scummy?

Although, I suppose given your "100%" confidence in Candi being town, you're just going for the next most probable lynch, no?

Wait, am I at L-2, or L-1?

L-2 by my count.

I too would prefer a Candi lynch today. I am definitely willing to put Candi at L-1. However, is there anyone that's willing to hammer (after a claim of course)? Me moving my vote back to Candi would be pointless if no one is willing to hammer. Then again, I'm don't remember if anyone has yet stated intent to hammer LnG.

I understand the time crunch and your willingness to lynch but can you currently justify a "candi" mislynch? (not voting but if he turns town..?) where does that put you with us?

[Core_H86]

Where is the pressure of your votes?(Syryana?)

What?

What throws me off is seeing your join date and knowing you (syryana) can't be that good of scum.

You really ought to read my wiki before making assumptions about my play.

Pedit: Candillan is town. I think he mentioned somewhere that he has me as leaning scum.

I am so far behind I'm trying to catchup and keep up with what's going on. Currently I'm lookin for True scum huntng between you two(haven't got there yet) still havent voted because it would be haphazard when i see a conflict between you two it might clear you both, haven't got there yet. (don't worry I'm being thorough)---and sorry if I appear to be making assumptions you could have a natural knack at being scum for all I know--(thats a reaction test just so you know) ^ Preview edit WHOA hold on I haven't even seen a recent vote count don't go crazy on my part

[Core_H86]

Tell ya what you hold your vote I'll ISO Lngrrrr and Rachmarie and see if that gets me anywhere...

[Core_H86]

Give me any catchup on the two while i search? what i got so far is rachmarie inactive and lngrrr putting presure on you

[Core_H86]

Sorry to quadruple post but if Syryana could give me something to seperate himself from candillian I'd feel much better about him(syryana)

[Core_H86]

Post # 74,92,95,99,102,168,191,192,194,347,351,394,403 all pressure from Lngrrrr..
Preview edit... Well to be flat out I want to know your not scum buddies(everyone keep in mind I'm 10 pages behind (don't want to appear VI))

[Core_H86]

Hey since your on right now you could make this easy for me and let me know who your current FOS is

[Core_H86]

do you have more on Lngrrrr than OMGUS? and yeah not knowing current vote count but would you lay a vote on candillan

[Core_H86]

hey man all apologies but you know the nature of the game and i'm still patching things together

[Core_H86]

ok i state intent whats the claim, if you are town it's to late your getting nk or lynched maybe your claim will sway town and save you for the sacrifical nk

[Core_H86]

rolefishing? we'll all know tomorrow anyways but there's no counter claim so it increases your chances of being able to use that role to benefit us if your not night killed

[Core_H86]

my feel of the group I'm not going to do it I think a mislynch and a NK are worse than just a NK

[Core_H86]

ok now that we're here how was that a good end to day 1? what makes it so bad to have a no lynch?

[Core_H86]

I'm going to re-read D1 this weekend, knowing what we know now, and get back to you guys later.
I hope Core isn't going to dissappear on us again, that slot seems to be jinxed.
And where's RachMarie?

No I'm here just trying to catch up

[Core_H86]

since your on right now and you haven't said much recently what are you reads? I feel my reads changing so much I just keep rereading since I can't get a solid feel I don't feel caught up

[Core_H86]

ok I've been delving into iso and have written up reads twice now and lost them to stupid user error so here's an abbreviated version

david began open and ready to begin sorting through the thread and squash fires he saw as illogical briefly covering policy and not using it as a false "I found scum" sign for ohers to wagon-town play
rach did put out town reads and content day one i believe her bah of surprise was a genuine reaction to finding out candi was scum(which she wasn't)-town play
homer active player I think he is playing as everything comes out in a reactionary way-town play
mothrax walking softly hints of accusations but no solid pressure very little content-null tell
syryana jumpy aggressive yet believable does play towards angles but that could be null over pushing appears scummy though-scum read
post on the others later haven't slept yet

[Core_H86]

I didn't get around to re-reading day one. Hopefully tomorrow.
One thing that's been bugging me for a while now. It's gut, but it's there and I think I can finally put it in words.
Does anyone else feel Syryana is acting awfully "jolly" somehow? I mean, yes, this is just a game and all that, but the way he's behaving seems jollier than for instance the "title pending" game, or this game's starting phase. Ever since the scumslip business blowing up in his face and him getting away with it there's been a remarkable change in tune. It's as if he feels he already achieved some kind of victory by surviving this little ordeal.
But yes, tomorrown re-reading the LnGrrrR lynch, I feel we kind of owe that to him.

but his overall play has been random, where's the direction? call me town, if you know i'm town your scum?

[Core_H86]

EBWOP: you being syrana

[Core_H86]

i just lost a game as town i came out strong with a total derp move and i feel lead to a scum wn. i have to think more about my battles i choose but by character i lean syrana as scum lead

[Core_H86]

grim you town?

[Core_H86]

so we have time look for teams or syrana pressure?

[Core_H86]

more of a personal curse i seem to carry with me

[Core_H86]

^sorry i threw up a post and went to reading same as i am doing now.

[Core_H86]

^or the back up mod

[Core_H86]

Come on, one more week to go, still some time to get this thing on some kind of track again:

Core, what is your stance on RachMarie?
I'd like to ask Mothrax the same question.

she's a lurker, and has plenty of excuses, maybe she's just busy with other things, maybe this is scum safe playing. day 1 i was leaning town on her but there hasn't been much to read on her day 2.
on another thought i don't like how your checking my read on her when she's at L2 we have a week no need to pull out the rope today how bout some pressure on mothrax? but if mothrax is scum syrana is town unless that's all bussing. so maybe rach/mothrax thank god we have a week we need the activity

[Core_H86]

I pity the replacements for having to read this thread

[Core_H86]

nothing happening waiting for the replacements. why you want me to hammer rach?

[Core_H86]

your triangle seems sound to me now what intierogate them?

[Core_H86]

so i went diving into grim's meta accidently found a game he's in with rach and rach hasn't been active there in 5 days so her play isn't lurker she's just being inactive so A. we exspress intent to hammer her now and hope she gets back on before being replaced or B. start another wagon one way or the other we need to use our time wisely

^pre view edit: agree

[Core_H86]

p.s. not much meta there but props on be so active in all your games

[Core_H86]

yeah wow 9 post today and none here... 10 on the 24th and only a i'll catch up later post take that back she's a lurker

[Core_H86]

so who is alive out there?

[Core_H86]

Ehrmagerd, it's Enormis! Let meh feel yo presence!

CoreH86

, quote the following, and fill in your read next to each person's name (minimum of "I think X is town/scum", preferably decent reasons too):

RachMarie:scum, most curious behavior lurker

Syryana:leans scum with early on tunneling only until recently he's been my fos

Grimgroove:consistently towny

imkingdavid/Enormis:lurker but had protown content

Crandaja/Mothrax:lurker leans more scum than david

homertve:null current town feel

[Core_H86]

well i see the rach thing in 2 ways
rach is at L1 and inactive:
A if she is town she doesn't care and isn't going to add to the game
B her illness is bad enough that even pointing a fos in her direction gives me a guilt trip
and if rach is back to null.. syrana/mothrax?

not to sound cold but that kind of outside information can lead to an unlynchable scum

[Core_H86]

rach is a lurker and bland in her arguments but enomis' adaments only draw my suspicions post 856 was rather unassuring, scum would hammer a partner regardless,
eno's has a closed and targeted mind on syrana, considering the play with rach and his insistence to get rach to throw out a read on syrana i get the sense of a partnership wether it's onesided or not.
I see scum motivation in the direction of his play
1 stop the lynch of a lurker at L1 get a little town cred and a buddy
2jump to the closest band wagon (syrana)and push it to the lynch

you really see Eno's play as coming from scum? What is the motivation ?

yes

if you know your town you don't know his alignment why would you trust him to snuggle up in your blindspot
eno screams scum to me
and if he flips town i know tomorrow syrana is scum

vote enomis

[Core_H86]

I didnt say rach or syr are town, you three are currently my triangle of scum but you are the scumiest and one of the other is town so
your twisting certain speculations i had and avoiding the logic that seems kinda scummy

[Core_H86]

i was trying to explain my thought process you three were my biggest scum leads but there's no way you and syrana are scum together and there's no way syrana and rach are scum so my thought is you must be scum if not syrana would be #1 target day 3

[Core_H86]

And yet you say you didn't say rach or syr are town. Contradicting yourself?

Where is the contradiction?

enomis is reaching trying to twist the facts and make his truth stand out if he's not scum he made himself appear scummy by jumping in before catching up

[Core_H86]

enomis, either I don't understand you or you don't understand me (or you are scum and you choose not to understand me).

[Not (Rach and Syr are town)] is not equal to [(Rach and Syr are scum)].

What core is saying is this:
If you flip town, then Syr is probably scum. The second scum is somebody else.
if you flip scum, then Rach is probably the second scum.

Now explain to me what's wrong with that argument.

Then how is this a case on why i am scummy? He used this as a case and voted me. So obv, he must have either of them have town to be able to use this case to say why i am scummy.

And no, if i flip scum,

he said Rach is town because i defend her to "whiteknight" and thus earn a buddy.

@Grim:

Let me phrase this another way. Why did you think Syr could think other people think he is twisting words is a decent case. Can you see his logic for saying that? Or is it just agreeing to a case to make the case weaker.(Yes, agreeing to case on you can be a scum tactic to make the case weaker).

i never said "whiteknighting" and i never said she was town my read on rach is scum lurker and will die tomorrow when you flip scum

[Core_H86]

1. Grimgroove - leaning town

3. homertve - leaning scum

6. Core_H86 - Not sure

7. Syryana (SE) - leaning scum

8. majiffy (SE) - Not sure

9. RachMarie (IC) - leaning scum

^^ this confirms you are scum

[Core_H86]

had you said grim was leaning scum and not rach i could have believed you were town giving honest reads but these reads are ment to be leading. You have been pleading rachtown all game, single-mindedly attached to syr and homer lands up there because you didn't like the negative attention he put on you

[Core_H86]

^whoa man chillax your harshing my mellow-majiffy

[Core_H86]

had you said grim was leaning scum and not rach i could have believed you were town giving honest reads but these reads are ment to be leading. You have been pleading rachtown all game, single-mindedly attached to syr and homer lands up there because you didn't like the negative attention he put on you

Are you reading the game?

@Grim:
You think i put you town for driving the same wagon as homer?

@Rach:
What part of me makes you think i am a newb town?

why are you asking random people, who you do not know their alignment opinions of yourself??

[Core_H86]

1 day left i will go with a rach lynch but prefer enomis--side note i'd lynch majiffy just to see the dick die
MAJIFFY=douche
now that's^ in real life game play hard to tell

preview edit will do i have tommorrow off if need be i'll switch to rach- hang enomis!!

[Core_H86]

1 day left any pushers?

[Core_H86]

^sorry made the scum nervous

[Core_H86]

Grimgroove: town
enomis scum
Syryana: questionable motives
RachMarie: constant lurker
Majiffy: to much of a dick to be scum, scum would have more of a filter than that
homertve: town play

so back to my triangle

if enomis = scum rach=scum syrana =town
if enomis = town syrana=scum rach /=/ town

if rach=town syrana /may or may not/ = scum enomis =scum
if rach=scum enomis = scum syrana =town

if syrana = scum enomis = town rach =town
if syrana = town enomis =scum rach /=/ scum

imo an enomis lynch wether mis or not gives the most info and his play has been significantly scummy

[Core_H86]

talk more about it tomorrow d3 cuz it seems like it's going to be a rach lynch today

[Core_H86]

the /=/ means may or not

[Core_H86]

rach i am exspressing intent to hammer claim if you care

[Core_H86]

not trying toflake just catching up still leaning majiffy/enomis syrana is confirmed town to me, and sorry i have 5 kids and work would have dropped the hammer i was just trying to give rach a chance to claim, just glad to see the lynch go through

[Core_H86]

not trying toflake just catching up still leaning majiffy/enomis syrana is confirmed town to me, and sorry i have 5 kids and work would have dropped the hammer i was just trying to give rach a chance to claim, just glad to see the lynch go through

What do you mean still leaning majiffy/enomis. When did u express that u think majiffy is scum. Iirc, u didnt. Well on mobile now so need to doubke check.

And why is syr conf town? If you are doing a soft-claim, you are doing a really bad job at it.

i added majiffy to my list as possible scum one for his douchness two size of scumpool had to be increased beings we have plenty of time and i was down to enomis.
syr is confirmed town because logic, no there's no claims coming from my slot

[Core_H86]

Something enomis said, made me think about this:

(before the flip):

enomis scum
Majiffy: to much of a dick to be scum, scum would have more of a filter than that

so back to my triangle

if rach=town syrana /may or may not/ = scum enomis =scum

if rach=scum enomis = scum

syrana =town

(after the flip):

not trying toflake just catching up

still leaning majiffy/enomis

syrana is confirmed town to me, and sorry i have 5 kids and work would have dropped the hammer i was just trying to give rach a chance to claim, just glad to see the lynch go through

Why did you change your "if rach is town, her partner is enomis" to "maybe it's majiffy" when you also said majiffy is "to much of a dick to be scum"?

VOTE: Core_H86

i also said i would lynch majiffy for spite before the rach turn

[Core_H86]

It is obvious Core didn't think that triangle through as much as he should have.
You could already know back then that the argument "too much of a dick to be scum" would never be enough to keep Majiffy out of these triangular considerations.
Does not warrant a vote.

I'm sorry from my perspective i built that triangle for a day 1 lynch, it's day two with time on the clock and mislynchs available, now is time for expanding the suspicions and isoing others.

[Core_H86]

This is how I see it:

Core did one thing wrong: he did not include Majiffy in his theory of the triangles as possible scum, based on a flimsy argument that Majiffy was too much of a dick to be scum.

This was obviously a mistake, but how is it a scumtell?

No, I really don't see it.

Have you got anything else on Core? You do realize this is not enough right, even if it is 100 procent valid?

I want more people to share their thoughts on Majiffy. I have the impression that the mere fact he's being well, less than kind, makes him town. Along the lines of Core's thinking not to put him in the triangle. This is NOT enough.

I want to see more reasons why MAjiffy is town or why Core is scum before I even begin considering moving my vote.

what mistake cant i just play how i play the game does evolve as you learn new things

[Core_H86]

gg wish i could have put more time into it

[Core_H86]

and if you meta me you will know i am ALWAYS SCUM

[Core_H86]

hopefully a lil of both I should be a pro at being scum cuz 3/4 games i've played i was scum, the only town game i had i was first lynched for looking scummy just cant catch a break w-l=0-4 still a loser!!