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Post #67 (isolation #4) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:59 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 22, EchoVision wrote:What'd you get that impression from, the fact that he says he's new? Or the fact that his account has existed for about 10 days...?
From the post. Nothing wrong with being new, but scum sometimes emphasize it on purpose to appear harmless.
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Post #68 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:06 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
@Frederick
Read the IC post about RVS. Gist of it is, at the beginning there's 0 info and people have to snowball usually weak reasons or "vibes" there into more serious ones later to get the game rolling.
Basically I rvs'd, got bored and did a closer retake for something interesting.
In post 13, Loopdan wrote:@Huntress-- You had a choice of putting the third vote on either Selynee or me. Why'd you go with the more experienced player?
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Post #73 (isolation #9) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:13 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 52, TheBrie wrote:Ooh, somebody voted for me. But not the person I voted for. Probably that person could tell I'm innocent. I mean I must be innocent. I'm so not worried that I forgot this existed for a couple of days.
In post 72, lucca261 wrote:Happy with my vote staying on Frederick. I feel like he's not trying to scumhunt, just trying to appear active. His questions mean nothing, and he is clearly soft defending Brie here on this page.
With all this activity, why are you still voting Huntress?
My posts earlier were trying to get the game moving. My vote is still on Huntress because I still can't figure out who's scum.
If you're trying to figure things out you sure are being stealthy about it.
Once a game you can message the mod and they will confirm or deny your guess at the scum-team. You have to get both partners right or they just say "You are wrong." So like you can't just get partial credit for knowing one scum player.
It's rare to use it this early but I thought I'd give it a try. Penguin confirmed I nailed it and he should be along soon to lock up the thread and post the game ending. But we can continue to talk during this twilight period.
gg
I'm town. I'm willing to give the wages for nonsense like this. VOTE: Loopdan
I've got a heavy schedule every Tuesday(my time zone is GMT+8) from now on since school has reopened. So, I'll be getting reads and answering questions tomorrow.
Taking issue with something is one thing but this reads more like voting loop for saying something unusual rather than a judgement about how or why he did it.
Latter part of post implies you're getting reads tomorrow which implies this isn't really a scumread? Are you trying to "figure things out" or doing busywork?
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Post #152 (isolation #16) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:50 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 125, EchoVision wrote:Sens decided to hop on a wagon for Brie putting her at L-2(I believe) with absolutely no explanation. Yeah shit like that happens, but this struck me as very odd. The most suspicious thing for me was right after Loopdan used his fake guess shit. Sens said, "Wow. Guess that's that. Nice job loopdan." He didn't even bother reading the wiki or anything about it. He seemed so eager to end the game but didn't say anything at all about the whole thing and how ridiculous it seemed. He was just way way WAY too eager to put the game to an end. I'm on my way home now, so I'll post the rest of my findings later. For now,
VOTE: SensFan
How do you put theBrie l-1 on also nothing and then have a problem with sens earlier l-2 vote?
Looks like after you got called out on your vote you went to look at who did similar to do the same. IDK how as town you could literally just have done the same thing THEN you scumread sens off of it without noticing at all...
Is the cognitive dissonance not obvious even to a newbie here?
He seemed so eager to end the game but didn't say anything at all about the whole thing and how ridiculous it seemed. He was just way way WAY too eager to put the game to an end.
And this looks like hardcore exaggeration and twisting of a pretty short post of sens.
How are you this super confident on the judgement given what you've actually said?
The l-2 vote when you yourself l-1'd and a "Nice job loopdan" is a huge mismatch for this conclusion you're trying to bring out of it and I can't possibly see how what you say would've brought you to that read.
I feel like this confidence is being faked here and this post is trying to make sens look bad on BS.
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Post #153 (isolation #17) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:58 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 134, EchoVision wrote:Exactly. You should know that there's nothing like that that would ever exist. Even if your join date was yesterday, you should know that. It's just way to overpowered and it shouldn't exist. That's why when you were so quick to jump on to the "good game, games over" train it raised many red flags for me.
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Post #154 (isolation #18) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:06 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
Mmm, huntress could actually be with echo if I'm right.
First impression is retroactively the votes good just for being on echo, but when she made it (28) it didn't make sense given he only just rvs'd/entranced...
In post 26, Loopdan wrote:Like I was implying... it usually works better on newbies than SE's.
I was hoping to see how TheBrie (the only brand new player here), reacted to a third vote on the wagon she joined. But that train has left the station now.
Selynee had already seemed to be unconcerned about a couple of votes on herself.
Fred looked a bit self-conscious about the wagon, first ignoring it, then querying it, and lastly downplaying it's value.
I agree with Rask on TheBrie.
I've got an odd feeling about Echo. He may be scum.
Vote: EchoVision
Actually, given each of these the echo choice is odd given huntress herself describes fred as she did and agreed with me on thebrie. Seems like the weakest thing there so I don't see how it translated into being the vote?
In post 123, Loopdan wrote:@Fredrick-- Why do you believe post 95 is more likely to come from scum than town?
I still want an answer to this. VOTE: Fredrick
What could town possibly do with a post like that? From what I see, the answer is plenty though. It has sparked up conversation, and of course makes analysis much more easier. But then, what was your intent?
But why does scum do it either? He'd know it'd call some attention on him especially in a newbie game I'd think.
Did it not cross your mind it could've been partially messing around or hyperbole rather than a serious claim of a role that obviously doesn't exist?
I could see how it could be hard because loopdan did say he scumreads you and thebrie and it's awkward to tell exaggeration when it appears to be mostly based on a serious view he's pushing though.
Would you have reacted differently if he called a different team?
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Post #174 (isolation #24) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:40 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 131, Huntress wrote:I'm aware of his onsite game and have already read it, and noted the difference in his play so far here. It's too soon to really tell based on that. But that is not what I was asking him about. Why did you feel the need to respond to a question that was addressed directly to him, not to you?
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Post #230 (isolation #28) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:30 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 226, Selynee wrote:Because I was pretty much useless D1 and didn't vote (though I wanted to vote Echo), my starting vote is going to be pretty risky, but I guess at this point a 50-50 read is worth it.
VOTE: Raskolnikov
I really hope you didn't just do what I think you did...
If by sorting me you mean helping me realize that people could really think I was guilty, or just trying to read me by my reactions, then thank you. I needed that.
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Post #261 (isolation #38) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:36 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
Not sure huntress is the way to go, moreso than her I'm interested in frederick and sens here.
She definitely played a subdued role d1 but I don't think huntress play has anything necessarily malicious in it either. Gutread is hard to analyse but she didn't seem in any rush to end that day either.
Brief meta skim has her pretty lurky in general so I don't think that's even NAI tbh. Can wait and see the analysis she says she has coming up.
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Post #262 (isolation #39) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:23 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
Regarding d1 wagon huntress's stance doesn't really stand out, first vote and mostly given as gutread. Her point on echo's 2nd post looking like defending thebrie made sense too.
Sensfan otoh did seem pretty confident hammering though I didn't hear that much of his own analysis there. Seems justified via a mix of an association per echo seeming to bus/partner-tell with theBrie, and what I pointed out in my case. Though there is the potential it was partially motivated via sens happening to be the one echo scumread, definitely could see a reason scum sens would've wanted to end the day when he did. Kind of light on the info given all the posts.
Frederick's is a weird case too, I get the feeling he wrote off echo a bit too fast. He seemed to not really consider echo-scum as a possibility without even yet reading why people scumread him, if that makes sense. It's possible he's just indecisive in general or lacking in awareness but it doesn't look like he was really phased about it either.
In that position I'd be pretty interested in finding out exactly what the case was on him if I didn't know, but he didn't really give any judgement that suggested he understood or tried considering it. Given he didn't put that much into defending him, it's possible as scum he just wanted a bit of towncred along with not being the wagon as it went through.
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Post #282 (isolation #44) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:08 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 272, lucca261 wrote:@rasko, now that we know Echo's flip, how do you read his wagon? I'm trying to do it, and is only making me more paranoid.
Probably not more than one scum on the wagon I'd imagine. As of now I'm thinking likely sens over huntress or especially thebrie but I want to see to see how sens answers today first.
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Post #297 (isolation #47) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:08 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
Lucca's shown a lot more evidence of scumhunting than fred and votes him with me to boot.
Huntress I can get but you should meta-skim too and see how lurking is pretty standard for her, if you have something beyond activity for that I'd want to hear it though.
Can you share what makes you so confident on sens town?
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Post #360 (isolation #48) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:11 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
Need more votes on fred. Still don't have an answer to 266, but I know he'd have saw it because he answered about the senfan read. 294 is right beside 295.
As for the answer this more or less seems like his loopdan vote d1 as in a vote for the sake of voting. Reads feel puddle-deep, given he just brings up actions people did and essentially describes them without going further. He never explains what makes any particular thing actually alignment indicative to him or analyses into anything past the surface.
Thread interaction seems limited to things concerning himself as well, he asks questions but never mentions the answers he got which is a classic tell that someone isn't actually interested.
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Post #367 (isolation #51) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:14 am
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 365, Fredrick E Campbell wrote:After lucca261 mentioned he wished more follow up to my questions, I've been following them up. Not replying to the later questions doesn't mean I didn't use them to guess the player's alignment.
Okay, maybe you have, who knows. Nothing's for certain.
But it's hard to believe you are using truly that information if you never, ever, mention it. When I look and try to guess what's behind the veil, either there's nothing there, or there is but for some reason you're just keeping everything to yourself even after so many requests for explanation. As a rule, I'm going to assume the former until shown otherwise. Yes, it's impossible to know for sure what's going on if there's zero transparency. But if you're actually doing all the consideration you say you are then merely putting it down to words is the simplest thing in the world.
This is also the third time I'm going to ask for a response on 266.
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Post #409 (isolation #54) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:45 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 383, Fredrick E Campbell wrote:Since people have bugged me to pass my reads...
Sickofit1138: Town for being attempting to guess who's scum.
Huntress: Someone like me. I'm nullreading Huntress.
TheBrie: Seems to be more likely than not to be town. A definite townread.
Loopdan: Trying to sherlock the game. Awarded a townread.
Raskolnikov: Trying to sherlock the game as well. Awarded a townread.
SensFan: Mysterious hammer and mysterious read. A scumread.
lucca261: Seems trying to solve the game. A townread.
How much game experience do you actually have?
Does it not bother you that you only have 1 scumread and 1 null? Are you confident on all of your townreads?
I agree with sick on this one, you've so far mostly reacted to those who've been on you and kind of ignored those who haven't.
I'm not sure how to reconcile your play altogether here with your joindate tbh, d1-end particularly.
As far as I can tell, SickOfIt's vote has never been on me. Though I can see why it might look like that first part was directed at Fred when removed from the fact it was right after SOI's post.
You can agree with Sick all you want. The fact remains I have been paying 'attention' to people, especially Fred, well before the suspicion on me. Sick has this weird thing where he assigns the causation of an event to something that happened after the event. He did it when he mentioned that lucca started distancing with me as a reaction to Sick calling us both Scum, and is doing it again by saying I'm pushing Fred because he pushed me.
283 you have TheBrie at super raw which makes it hard for you to read her and fred/selynee/me as people you don't have a good grasp on.
Since then fred voted you and sickofit replaced in and called you scummy and you reacted pretty strongly to both of them but haven't said a word regarding me or thebrie. This is why I think sick might have a point here.
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Post #416 (isolation #58) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:15 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
In post 381, Loopdan wrote:And I'm buying that his uncounted hammer was intentionally messed up to extend the day.
I extremely doubt this is what his intention was there.
First off I think MOST rulesets would count the hammer as a hammer anyways under the interpretation rule (where anything that clearly looks like it was intended to be a vote counts as a vote, to prevent hammer sillyness), this game included if I read it right.
Second it looks like even sensfan himself isn't saying this wasn't the case so yeah?
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Post #417 (isolation #59) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:20 pm
Postby Raskolnikov »
Better or worse doesn't even necessarily enter into it, it's behavioral and you can generally expect some standards in due-diligence town play you wouldn't from someone with a new or seminew joindate.