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Post #26 (isolation #5) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:56 pm
Postby Gamma Emerald »
In post 19, Accountant wrote:Actually, I like the Gamma Emerald wagon(for reasons other than the fact that it's a page 1 wagon, that is). His enthusiastic tone seems forced.
@Pep: I like early pressure wagons. I think it's a great way to kickstart the game and get the ball rolling, as well as teasing reactions out of people. What about you?
I'm pretty sure I was quite enthusiastic in my last Newbie with you, so I don't get how you can think it's forced.
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Post #90 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:52 am
Postby Gamma Emerald »
I'm going to try to adress some things. For now, Ramcius' paranoia feels towny.
@ny: The game being shorter if Accountant wasn't posting is more indicative of Accountant being town imo
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Post #101 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:42 pm
Postby Gamma Emerald »
I am in agreement with Ramcius here: mafia are usually very passive, I feel in Newbies especially. I've seen scum win by not putting themselves out there much. That's why I drive people to post sometimes by specifically hunting their activity.
That's quite a lot of words for one simple point. I definitely feel Ramcius is town currently for thinking similarly to me.
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Post #151 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:29 pm
Postby Gamma Emerald »
In post 147, Van_Veacesalv_Dulca wrote:Yep, so I already feel out of my depth in this game :/ Sorry everyone for being inactive, I have been a little unreliably attached to the internet for the last 2-3 days.
In post 65, Accountant wrote:@Van: So, to be clear, you think that forming lynches on players is okay, but you think mindlessly hopping onto wagons is bad, right?
Yes, I think mindless wagon hopping is bad. Forming Lynches is more case by case dependent. If I think someone is town, but people are forming a lynch on them and I can't understand the argument, I will become suspicious of those players, and equally so those that vote for the player without adding their own thoughts.
I still hold my suspicions on Charloux, and Accountant, though could someone correct me if I am wrong on Accountants [quote="In post 83 but is this an example of wine in front of me? I don't fully understand the concept, but the only other game I played (different site), people told me wine in front of me was scummy because it reduces the ability to properly argue against it or something along those lines.
I am also suspicious of Gamma for town reading me? I didn't think I had done enough of anything to form a solid read on me. - Nevermind, sorry, I missed a few posts it seems I haven't decided if this point is mute yet though I am leaning no, that seems very little to go off of in my opinion
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I understand the concern about the townread, but what I did was I formed an opinion on every player in my catch-up, no exceptions. Your concern actually makes me think you're town even more.
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In post 90, Gamma Emerald wrote:@ny: The game being shorter if Accountant wasn't posting is more indicative of Accountant being town imo
Then why is Accountant null on your readlist?
ny's reasoning was that if Accountant hadn't posted the game would be shorter amd she was scum for that and I felt the logic was off. My catchup was based on content, not activity level, so that caused a mismatch.
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Post #245 (isolation #30) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:51 pm
Postby Gamma Emerald »
In post 242, Ramcius wrote:so, your reads haven't changed after all this discussion? Cause that was post 103, now we at 240
Some TRs have gotten stronger but my SRs are still similar.
Though tbqh I think scum is just letting my and Accountant slap fight. I want more from Charloux, Pepcho, and DBW
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In post 256, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Mewtaph do you still want me to explain reads, if so which ones?
Tell me more about your VVD townread. I think that's one of your most original thoughts that definitely needs to be expanded on.
He suspects me because I townread him. I know that Townies get concerned when people TR them on weak reasoning, because they think the scum is using outside info.
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In post 300, Pepchoninga wrote:Is this the case with nydushermain at the time where those posts were made since I'm yet to read furhter?
Yes, I started scumreading nydushermain after he started lining up lynches. He's insisted over and over that that wasn't the intention behind the post, but of course I have no reason to buy that, and I think it's still a strong reason to scumread him.
@Gamma Emerald: Your tell is BS. Scum are not magically prevented from fact checking,
But they still wouldn't. It's not a case of whether it's possible. It's that scum have no motivation to double-check the way he did.
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Post #503 (isolation #41) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:50 am
Postby Gamma Emerald »
In post 334, Alisae wrote:My reads goes as follows.
Scum: Pep
Other potential scum: Nyd, DBW, Charloux
Town: Ramcius, Mewtaph, Accountant, myself.
Pep has been lurking up to this point. And you may think it's due to inactivity, but I doubt that. Like he's posting in gaps, and if he was town, he's someone I'd expect to be more active and vocal. He's moreso reserved and safe leading up to his posts today. Also he shows no interest in scumhunting.
Not having anyone voted at this point in time tells me you have no real scum reads. This also goes for DBW, who's also lurking, except I don't know them. Either way I see them as a potential partner.
I can see Charloux being paired up with Pep easily. Charloux goes after lurkers but ignores Pep. This seems off to me.
As for Nyd, I'm following Accountant's reasoning and logic moreso then Nyd's on Accountant. Or they could just both be town, which I see happening.
WHERE AM I?
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In post 359, Alisae wrote:Nyd, at this point, you're being anti-town. If you were town, you would want to coperate with people like me. But you're still attacking Accountant. You know it's not working. I don't think you even did what I told you to do with accountant. Additionally, you just want pressure to be off you, but there is no way that is happening currently. You put all the attention on yourself, but that would be good if you weren't attacking your IC the whole game and doing town things.
What is stopping you from voting DBW now if you want to hammer him so badly? I bet you were probably waiting for me to take that to L-1.
I'm not even the one instigating this fight. He's the one that's not backing down.
I feel this is the case here.
Also if this interaction is scum theatre I'm posting that video again.
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Post #508 (isolation #44) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:58 am
Postby Gamma Emerald »
In post 506, Pepchoninga wrote:Also what about me sounds odd Ny? I know yo are asleep but still...Is it that I'm not completely on your side or think you are completely innocent?
Also Gamma, Charloux I would like to hear your opinions on my lynch on Alis and his playing since he joined as a whole.
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It's a town slot currently. The previous player is new enough to not be able to fake the paranoia I saw.
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Post #512 (isolation #46) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:47 am
Postby Gamma Emerald »
Spoiler:
In post 493, Pepchoninga wrote:No I'm not overeacting. But we are making such a big deal since nys didn't answer a question which I admit has truth to it, but you think that it is more then well to not try and counter my accusation? Why is that?
My vote is is not OMGUS. I have my suspicions on me. Gonna explain them again since clearly you weren't paying enough attention.
First you came in and started going trough posts. Most of the were either pointless in my opinion or post directly against me. During several pages you were just trying to collect enough arguments to get a solid reason to lynch me. Didn't you say that is exactly what mafia liked. But yet, you couldn't really get solid reasons since I hadn't given enough material to work on till then. All you could do was line up that since I wasn't active enough and I usually am, I'm definetely scum. Also me apperantly not scumhunting is also making me scum. Okay tell me what if I don't necessarily scumhunt. Then I'm 100% scum? What If I'm gathering information about the people who are more active and then like what I did come in and start a push against them? Yes, this is not exactly what happened with me, since reasons I have explained but still it is a possibility. Also for me a good scum will definetely be scumhunting since it is good for his discuise. His goal will obviously be to get a misslynch on Town but this doesn't change the fact he is scum. So having me not scumhunting as one of your leading arguments for a lynch is also dumb. Your next argument is that I haven't lynched anybody yet? Even if I didn't lynch you it's again pretty dumb argument.
On the other side you didn't say anything on Accountant. You just instantly became his best partner and was even ready to give up on your personal target (me) to go after his which was already pretty pressured by Accountant (Ny). Even if Accountant is town this is pretty scummy since I'm more and more leaning on having ny as a sure town. Also you going all cocky on the guy after seing that he clearly got frustarted is just a really dissrespectfull and definetely not a town action.
This is why I lynched you. Overall I think I have a better base for a lynch then you
What's up with the past tense?
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I think that ramcius has the highest chance of flipping town and then mewtaph after that. Ignore the light town reads I've given on gamma and pep because I scum read a lot of things gamma has done before he started defending me and I think pep is starting to sound odd the more I reread his posts. Ignore my read on alisae because it could just be a passion read. I think that charloux and accountant are the scummiest. I tried to rebuild a case in the midst of all this on accountant by going through his past threads but I think that his play isn't actually all too different from this current one. It fluctuates. I still find it incredibly frustrating that he won't try to reevaluate at all. If forum players care about dead player reads at all, lynch charloux the next day, don't donk it up just because people forced some sort of 1v1 which could still be TvT.
Good night.
Eeeeeeww. Saying "ignore my reads" is terrible.
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Post #535 (isolation #53) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:25 am
Postby Gamma Emerald »
In post 534, Pepchoninga wrote:Not avoiding any question, bote ^^ I said I belive either you 2 are both the mafia (which was my initial thought), a thing that seeing Accountants action on deciding to lynch you seems highly unlikely, or one of you is - keep in mind this is only my thoughts.
So yeah, till Accountant gives his thoughts I ain't answering any more "stupid" questions (excuse the word but I found it most appropriate). Continueing to do so is a scum claim. A desperate one at that.
I don't like this post. Pep's posting recently has felt terrible. VOTE: Pepchoninga
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In post 538, Alisae wrote:Also sometimes I recall having seen IoA in some of Pep's posts.
I don't care which one of my two targets gets lynched, as long as they do, because I believe they are both scum. VOTE: Pepchoninga
Also bussing is common here.
It's funny how you vote me now that a wagon has been started. You don't vote me first so if wagon is not finished you are not an instant target and you also don't really go against the poeple acusing you for the same reason. You are trying to get yourself an immunity while only taking actions under the wings of somebody else so you can Be accused of anything. This is really the mindset of a scum.
That's not true and you know it. She's just joining her support.
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In post 334, Alisae wrote:My reads goes as follows.
Scum: Pep
Other potential scum: Nyd, DBW, Charloux
Town: Ramcius, Mewtaph, Accountant, myself.
Pep has been lurking up to this point. And you may think it's due to inactivity, but I doubt that. Like he's posting in gaps, and if he was town, he's someone I'd expect to be more active and vocal. He's moreso reserved and safe leading up to his posts today. Also he shows no interest in scumhunting.
Not having anyone voted at this point in time tells me you have no real scum reads. This also goes for DBW, who's also lurking, except I don't know them. Either way I see them as a potential partner.
I can see Charloux being paired up with Pep easily. Charloux goes after lurkers but ignores Pep. This seems off to me.
As for Nyd, I'm following Accountant's reasoning and logic moreso then Nyd's on Accountant. Or they could just both be town, which I see happening.
Your only real strong points are that I was innactive for a bit and that I'm not interested in scumhunting. Now let me tell ya, I am interested in scumhunting. Actually I'm trying to achieve that. Kinda hard when you can't really find a place in the disscussion till now. My prime targets till now were Accountatn and Ramicius. Two people you put as Town on your list. Yet you almost haven't touched on anything those 2 people have said till now. And there one of the most active people in the game till now. Most of the post I read from you are on my posts and going againt me. You have a personal agenta? Or you just want to get me out of the game as soon as possible since I'm gonna be the easiest target for you? Let me also point out that I hate when people just say that they are confirmed town in there opinion and put it like it's something normal. For me it's a veyr scummy move and one that should not be neglected. What makes you think you are a town?
You not voting should also be considered a valid point.
You have shown nothing to prove that you are scumhunting, and currently you're just defending yourself.
What about Ramicius seemed scummy to you?
I think your scum, and I want the town to win? That's sorta what I'm trying to do here.
And you're reading my reads wrong. You wanna know a tell I recently just learned? Scum trying to push things that aren't slips. Because scum LOVE having a justified vote. Saying that I am slipping for reading them as confirmed town is a mistake, becuase I am not reading them as confirmed town, I am reading them as I think they are town.
And what makes me think I'm town? My role pm.
Who should I vote in this situation? You? Accountant? Ramicus or Ny? Should I jump on the waggon or try and go against my targets. Will I get the support needed and will people agree with my suspicions? You know those are all questions I need to answer myself and get other people to answer some of them before I put my real lynch. But for now I will go with a lynch that my heart tell me.
VOTE: Alisae
And yes I am curently scumhinting also I'm defneding myself since you are only going against me. You haven't defended against my accusations tho. Don't think it's very townish to avoid my suspicions.
I did make a post basically saying why I Scum read Ramicius.
I didn't really understand what you meant with the next one buddy but ok.
And what makes me not belive you? You not being able to show me that pm
Okay this line pisses me off, you're trying to goad a player into breaking the rules.
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Post #559 (isolation #59) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:58 am
Postby Gamma Emerald »
In post 557, Charloux wrote:I think it's more due to pride to not admit you are wrong rather than alignment indicative. And if you are so much better than him, why not make him look more scummy by debating with him? You don't need to convince him anything, you just have to make him look scummy thus convincing "town" that he is scum. Think of it as a warm-up so you at least put up a fight against Acc
What's the point of this post
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