Newbie 1820 | Cake Wrecks | Endgame

[Dunkerdoodles]

hola

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seems like cseel only posted once which said slight TR on acid.
anything i should know in particular
i saw this discussed earlier, i am against using the BP strat because i don't think the newbie queue is the right place to do such a "loophole" in the setup. everywhere else, sure go ahead but the newbie queue is for newbies to learn and get interested in mafia which is why i don't think it should be used.
that being said we used it in my first ever newbie game and it worked quite well so if everyone else agrees to it then i'll be fine with using it.

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seems like acid and mace were in a bit of a 1v1.
early townreads on (acid, spartan, chuck, raya)

@creature why do you townread mace?

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HELL YEA GO GET EM SPARTAN

this could be seen as buddying

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mace's style of play is very interesting which is hard for me to read. i read acid as town though, so i'm trying to figure out if acid v mace is tvt or tvs.
btw i was asking creature about his read to get some ideas what others think of mace. i find it helpful to get some other input when trying to read a different playstyle.

spartan's posts have been good so far, i think he's town.
same can be said for chuck

also normally when i townread i don't really give a lot of reasoning, i just sorta do it.
sometimes i do that for scumreads too.

this post is why i townread raya

I don't think I like Mace right now.

Fenrir if you are a new player why are you putting effort to make such long posts?

This seems odd to me. It almost seems like he's discouraging content from Fenrir or maybe even trying to discredit something he had said.

Too early for me to make reads

Macemeetface7 - lock town
everyone else - different shades of null

good enough?

There has been very little attempt to come up with or share reads. Yes, it's early, but there is still plenty of content to get some reads from.

I have no opinion on the bulletproof claiming thing. I didn't even fully read that post

No attempt to help out in this discussion which could potentially be a big decision for town.

Let's put Creature at L-2

Thought it was too early for reads. So why?

VOTE: Mace

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they make sense, they are a bit hard to read but you can't scumread that.

thanks for reminding me, fenrir, i notice how you just quote posts with "s instead of using the quote function.
you can use another tab and quote things on that tab then copy paste it into your main post, it makes things a lot easier to read and follow

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In case I get lolhammered:
Don't put any less pressure on Creature just because he wasn't on my wagon

I don't think this can ever be a full game with there constantly being at least 2 replacements/inactive slots

Losing a bit motivation to play. Can't defend myself against people who don't properly attack me

ok this line is terrible.
i think it's time to claim

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nvm you can be town

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In case I get lolhammered:
Don't put any less pressure on Creature just because he wasn't on my wagon

I don't think this can ever be a full game with there constantly being at least 2 replacements/inactive slots

Losing a bit motivation to play. Can't defend myself against people who don't properly attack me

ok this line is terrible.
i think it's time to claim

I disagree completely.

why do you disagree

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i was going to say you should claim because i was considering declaring intent but i decided you are town

pedit it's bad because there's never nothing to defend from. you can't just not defend yourself.
then i realised he was referring to assemble and not his whole wagon.

pedit: @creature why?
pedit: @spartan yes i do, not now though.

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i'm not scum so you are correct in saying we aren't partners

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i'd wagon assemble but it's probably smarter to wait for him to get replaced

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so that naked vote counts as game advancing content?
i didn't think it did but i guess it does

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1 liners are way easier for me to understand compared to walls

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spartan asking a lot of questions is very townie imo

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on a non game related note i find it funny how i'm an SE when most if not all the newbies are better than me

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i don't think anyone will quickhammer.

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Dunker why did you consider giving intent to hammer if you aren't actually scumreading me?

i misunderstood one of your posts, i was null with you, but that post made me scumread a bit. i retracted my scumread tho

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spartan mace scumteam?
ggwp

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i retract my spartan townread

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@mace i was just throwing it out there as a possibility that i would look into further. something about spartan's posts was pinging me a bit, they almost feel fake and fabricated, but i'm not sure. i also found that you guys rarely mentioned each other in your iso's, which felt a bit strange considering you have been 2 of the biggest contributors.
anyways, i could see you guys still being town, again i just threw it out there and i also wanted to see if anyone else saw you 2 as possible partners.

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also i didn't do a 180 on spartan, just retracted my townread on him. he's null for now.

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i already answered your questions, what exactly do you want to know?

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i already answered your questions, what exactly do you want to know?

You already answered my questions? Please show me the post where you explained what posts of mine struck you as scummy or if you wish to word it as took the town read you previously had to a null read.

something about spartan's posts was pinging me a bit, they almost feel fake and fabricated, but i'm not sure. i also found that you guys rarely mentioned each other in your iso's, which felt a bit strange considering you have been 2 of the biggest contributors.

If this is the post you are referring to? Because if saying that "something about my posts pinged you a bit, they almost feel fake and fabricated, but im not sure" I dont actually see a post number or any indication even to what page of the thread that you saw a post which gave you the above feeling, so "exactly what I would like to know" like I stated in #456

What made you think of a Mace and Me scum team any interaction in particular, I'll make even easier for you what post from me led you to believe I am scum?

Either will be fine, although both would be preferred.

that was the post i was referring to.
i was just talking in general. no specific posts or anything.
again, it's mainly just gut, i won't actually scumread you without evidence, i was just pointing out something i noticed.

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also spartan, have you played mafia on another site before?

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that's a good question

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@spartan, oh ok, i play town of salem too and i play fm on their forums as well.

i was wondering because you seemed to be much more used to quicker deadlines, since you've been begging for content from a lot of people.

i actually think this is probably about the normal pace a game progresses here, there are much longer deadlines and overall it's a lot slower, which i like.

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Raya I'll respond in a bit

I'm more interested in this: Dunker I don't think you ever explained WHY you retracted your townread on Spartan so suddenly

What posts made you do it? Can you quote them?

it was just me going back through his iso, not one particular post. I already said i can't point out posts in particular because i don't know which posts it would be.
also, what do you mean by "so suddenly". how would i be able to retract my townread slower? i literally just said i don't townread him anymore, it wasn't like me saying i townread him to him being confirmed scum.

@mace i was just throwing it out there as a possibility that i would look into further. something about spartan's posts was pinging me a bit, they almost feel fake and fabricated, but i'm not sure. i also found that you guys rarely mentioned each other in your iso's, which felt a bit strange considering you have been 2 of the biggest contributors.
anyways, i could see you guys still being town, again i just threw it out there

and i also wanted to see if

anyone else

saw you 2 as possible partners.

The bolded part really pings. Me + Spartan scumteam has been suggested numerous time before you did. And you say you are the first to see it and want to hear other's opinions

quote the posts were someone directly mentioned a spartan+mace scumteam. i don't recall anyone mentioning it, i could've always missed it tho.

1 more thing: Dunker can you link me a game in which you were town and your reads flip-flopped like hot pancakes like they are doing this game?

VT game
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=72129
town PR game
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72179
scum game for you to compare:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72324
i have gotten a bit better since then i think but there ya go.
also i didn't look through them before, so i didn't choose specific games. you can ask me to give you more games to look at if you want

that's a good question

Thanks, that's not an answer though

i didn't respond because i wanted to come back to it later, because i wasn't sure at the moment.

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assemble does feel more like a policy lynch then scum tho

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yeah, i'm thinking mace is a good lynch
even if he flips town (i'd say it's like 65/35 he flips scum/town) his lynch gives us a lot of info.
i don't think assemble is a good lynch because his town flip gives us no info. if he's scum we can deal with him later.

question for you spartan, do you think you could possibly be pocketed by scum!mace? i'm trying to think out all scenarios and i think mace being scum pocketing you could be plausible.

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i do want to hear from raya before we decide on a lynch tho

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i don't you think your posting has been trying to pocket him.
i am pretty you are town now, unless you are scum with mace.

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yeah, i'm thinking mace is a good lynch
even if he flips town (i'd say it's like 65/35 he flips scum/town) his lynch gives us a lot of info.

Why do you think it would be a good lynch? Please provide evidence with posts and explanations.

65% sure isnt great but ok, what info do you think his lynch would give us, say, with him flipping town or him flipping scum?

Would be nice if you would answer my questions Dunker.

tonight i promise

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yeah, i'm thinking mace is a good lynch
even if he flips town (i'd say it's like 65/35 he flips scum/town) his lynch gives us a lot of info.

Why do you think it would be a good lynch? Please provide evidence with posts and explanations.

65% sure isnt great but ok, what info do you think his lynch would give us, say, with him flipping town or him flipping scum?

Would be nice if you would answer my questions Dunker.

tonight i promise

i think he flips scum and if not he gives us valuable associations
i'm too lazy to go through and quote posts etc but he's posted so much even if he flips town we'll be fine
sorry i made you wait for this terrible answer
and since he wanted me to vote
VOTE: Mace

L-1

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hi virtuoso!

holy crap that was a long case on me, but you saying "dunker is intentionally avoiding questions" isn't true. i have answered every question, and i guess u didn't get the point when i said i don't usually give reasons for scumreads/townreads. i find it easier just to soul read people, for me it's more accurate and easier.
of course i could be wrong, but people that scumread people with reasoning are wrong too.

anyways i'm 90% scum is in (spartan, mace, creature)

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Wow you guys didnt post much in the 35 hours I was gone, what do people think of Rayas re-entrance and her decision to keep her vote on Mace, could have been quick hammered and personally I still have not much to go on for reads on most of the slots, and Raya would you have been happy for Mace to be lynched and if so why? You have asked him some questions on your return but I don't see much in the way of evidence to show scummy behavior.

i don't think anyone will quickhammer.

How can you be so sure?

it's pretty obvious if anyone quickhammers here and mace is town that they are claiming scum

Film is over and I have some time to see whats going on before bed, probs gonna be super busy tomorrow till the evening, looking forward to seeing some more activity, but before I go;

In case I get lolhammered:
Don't put any less pressure on Creature just because he wasn't on my wagon

I don't think this can ever be a full game with there constantly being at least 2 replacements/inactive slots

Losing a bit motivation to play. Can't defend myself against people who don't properly attack me

ok this line is terrible.
i think it's time to claim

Why is this line terrible?

because it's a terrible excuse to not defend yourself

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Can we wagon creature

sure

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Can we wagon creature

sure

*doesnt vote creature*

i was asking for your permission before i voted
anyways i like his recent posts so i he's town now

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VT

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oh well
spartan and mace still scum imho

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i was town
have fun