Newbie 1826 Basketball Game Over

[Toto]

Luca, we are lynching Thor or NSG today. Only one of them is scum, the other is town. What's your take?

NSG + LUCA - Are you ok with clearing Thor + UCV?

[UC Voyager]

. thus, what i can explain is how why they're saying something is scummy.

Yes, this is what I mean. Tell my why scum!thor has been saying the things he's been saying or not saying today.

for a stressful lylo situation he's been arguing a lot of definitions and semantics. unlike me, ucv and luca, it doesn't seem like he's actively trying to convince people on anything or sell someone his case. he also seems to have avoided commenting on a lot of the mechanical solving talk that we've all gone over regarding the scumteams. it doesn't seem like he's as invested in solving this game as everyone else, and to me that seems like he doesn't have any solving to do - he already knows everyone else's alignments.

Thor, can you vote NSG? Also please reply to this if you haven't already.

why? what difference does it make?

[Thor665]

for a stressful lylo situation he's been arguing a lot of definitions and semantics. unlike me, ucv and luca, it doesn't seem like he's actively trying to convince people on anything or sell someone his case. he also seems to have avoided commenting on a lot of the mechanical solving talk that we've all gone over regarding the scumteams. it doesn't seem like he's as invested in solving this game as everyone else, and to me that seems like he doesn't have any solving to do - he already knows everyone else's alignments.

1. I am actually annoyed that multiple people seem to think I've been arguing definitions - I haven't, I was using definitions to showcase issues with Luca's case - large difference, I was *never* sidelining an opinion. Which is the point of arguing definitions.

2. Yeah, I totally wasn't trying to sell UCV as scum? In what universe?

3. Now after saying definition sare scummy she claims I'm avoiding mechanics talk...whut? Those are the same sort of things. Also, I discussed the mechanics and the lynch situation multiple times - more than her or UCV assuredly. SO if it is a scumtell...meh.

Whoop-de-doo, awesome rebuttal of insightful case?

[Luca Blight]

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch UCV.

[Thor665]

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch UCV.

Because Toto somehow thinks a choice between me/NSG is "easier" than me/UCV for no reason at all.

[UC Voyager]

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch UCV.

probably to help him decide who is scum or something. there is a lot of pressure on him because he has the final say, so he doesn't want to make the wrong choice. : p

[Luca Blight]

Toto, who is your strongest Townread out of the four of us?

[UC Voyager]

Toto, who is your strongest Townread out of the four of us?

Spartaan117

[UC Voyager]

toto, why do you think that having it
NSG vs Thor is better than
UCV vs Thor?

[Toto]

You are all very scummy at this point

NSG voting Thor was pretty bad, specially the reasoning and then being cagey about her read.

Her explanation sounds like she has some experience with the slot that she is not allowed to speak of which may be her only salvation here. But then saying Thor may be UCV's partner for excluding UCV from the possible groups was bad too in this context if she really believed her UCV read.

Anyway, sorry, I know I'm being a pain in the butt for taking so long. I'll leave you guys 24 hours to make your final cases, I will try to read today again, I will read your cases and then will vote.

This shit is hard.

[Luca Blight]

Why am I scummy?

The only thing you've said is scummy about me was my 180 which not only has a perfectly plausible explanation from a townie perspective but has been backed up by meta of me doing similarly as Town in a very recent game.

I'm trying to convey the fact I'm Town to you as clearly as possible Toto, so please tell me where I'm going wrong.

[Thor665]

You are all very scummy at this point

No, actually we aren't.
You're also explicitly asking for everyone to try to present scummy reasoning on everyone else and then not analyzing it - which is why you're getting caught in the doldrums.

[UC Voyager]

You are all very scummy at this point

No, actually we aren't.
You're also explicitly asking for everyone to try to present scummy reasoning on everyone else and then not analyzing it - which is why you're getting caught in the doldrums.

lol. that is one way to get the conf town on your side.

[Luca Blight]

My question in 1710 wasn't rhetorical btw, Toto - I genuinely want to know why you still think I'm scummy.

I'm becoming despondent for the lack of effect my words are having on you.

[Toto]

I guess gut/paranoia and the fact you are trying the hardest to convince me you are town but I still feel something feels off.

Everyone was also suspecting deimos for most of the game but no one ever voted him.

At the beggining of the day I had the feeling you and thor had decided to focus on ucv. One of you would tunnel him and the other would defend him, while suspecting each other. Seemed like a good plan.

I dont really think talking about this is going to help. What are your thoughts on Nsg/thor

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 4.05

UC Voyager (1)

Luca Blight , L-2

northsidegal (1)

Thor665 , L-2

Thor665 (2)

UC Voyager , northsidegal , L-1

Not Voting (1)

Toto ,

Day Four deadline is Saturday November 18th, 11 PM PST. (expired on 2017-11-18 21:00:00)

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch!

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[UC Voyager]

I thought Luca was voting for NSG. : p
Guess not.

[Luca Blight]

I think NSG is more likely his partner at the moment - I can't see any Town motivation behind her recent play of insisting UCV is Town but not explaining why.

I don't see why a Townie would repeatedly refuse to answer and dodge questions as she has. I really think she put all her eggs in the basket of townreading her partner, and now it's gone belly up she doesn't know what to do - I've refuted all her arguments as to why UCV is Town and she has no response to any of it. It feels as though she is now strategically lurking as she did in the other game I mentioned in the hopes Toto will have less reason to suspect her/UCV.

She claims she genuinely considered me as Town and UCV as scum, but we've seen no evidence of this and, again, she repeatedly dodges my question to explain her thought-process on the matter.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NSG

Just because my vote on UCV is useless as it stands.

I've genuinely been trying to consider NSG might be Town but she really hasn't given me any reason to lately. As I said, if she's Town then it's one of the worst/most bizarre cases of conbiasing I've ever seen.

[Toto]

Luca, can you link your two most recent scum games?

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NSG

Just because my vote on UCV is useless as it stands.

I've genuinely been trying to consider NSG might be Town but she really hasn't given me any reason to lately. As I said, if she's Town then it's one of the worst/most bizarre cases of conbiasing I've ever seen.

VOTE: NSG
thank you. gg

[Toto]

lawl

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 4.Final

northsidegal (3)

Thor665 , Luca Blight, UC Voyager, L-0

Thor665 (1)

, northsidegal , L-1

Not Voting (1)

Toto ,

Day Four deadline is Saturday November 18th, 11 PM PST. (expired on 2017-11-18 21:00:00)

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch!

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[mhsmith0]

northsidegal was lynched! She was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

A victory condition has been achieved! Congratulations to the

mafia

team of UC Voyager (goon) and Thor665 (roleblocker)!

Dead thread viewtopic.php?f=90&t=73446

Other threads will unlock in 48 hours barring objections from players. Thanks for playing everyone!

[northsidegal]

this game will forever stand as an eternal mark of shame to myself, even long after i've stopped playing mafia.

apologies to everyone for ruining it.