Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six
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just wait for me to show you.In post 903, Gamma Emerald wrote:But why should we believe you're town?"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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I swaped to beat the force replaceIn post 904, Gamma Emerald wrote:btw since it wasn't a replace out my vote stays"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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In post 905, LicketyQuickety wrote:@Screen, what do you make of the non-voters?
I have been talking a bit with Creature about this game. He's says I should interact with you more so that is what I am going to do. I had trouble with your Pred not really answering my questions, which is what I saw him do as Scum. So if you can put my mind at ease that you are not Scum, that would be great.
I will do my best.
not sure about he noon voters. The people on vanity wagons usually catch my eye first."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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obviouslyIn post 908, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wait is TChill MIA?"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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i read the first couple of pages.In post 911, LicketyQuickety wrote:
How much of the game have you read? Be specific.In post 909, Srceenplay wrote:In post 905, LicketyQuickety wrote:@Screen, what do you make of the non-voters?
I have been talking a bit with Creature about this game. He's says I should interact with you more so that is what I am going to do. I had trouble with your Pred not really answering my questions, which is what I saw him do as Scum. So if you can put my mind at ease that you are not Scum, that would be great.
I will do my best.
not sure about he noon voters. The people on vanity wagons usually catch my eye first.
i then read 10-15? guessing.
I remember not liking postie in RVS. Im on page two atm and I'm getting the same feelings again. Liking llama.
I haven't read much of any of the other games. Im coming from the 120+ page game. Haven't had time. Only tried to look at other games when a teammate asked for opions"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Any reason why? Was this slot that lynchbaity?In post 912, Llamarble wrote:If you are town, I think your wagon is all town anyway (with scum using daytalk to try and set up a mislynch with none of them on it)"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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here is one that caught my attention.In post 915, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why do you dislike Postie?
She talks about understanding and pos perspective. How she can see it as town.In post 51, Postie wrote:I can understand this and along with the stuff you said earlier about believing Llamarble was giving a sort-of "token read" (if that's along the lines of what you were saying?) I can kinda see how your reaction could come from town but at the same time
it's just really fucking weird way to react and your actions make a lot more sense from scum than town to me
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Then she ends by saying it make more sense as scum.
It sums up how the whole interaction with NSG seemed to me. Forced questions to look busy and trying to force a scum perspective from it."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Because it seems like you are full of shit.
This very next posts sums it up pretty good.In post 922, Thestatusquo wrote:oh probably just because "you play mechanically" or "he didn't iso you" or "because he doesn't like how play" or because "hes stupid or scum" or "doesn't understand what your motivation is" or any number of the bs nonsense you've used to cast doubt on people scum reading you this entire game without interacting with their actual arguments.
Iirc from last night reading, it looked like you were looking busy throwing shade and creating doubt.
Whenever questioned about something you said a lot without saying anything."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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I can agree with this thinking.In post 925, Llamarble wrote:
It's more that all the scummy players are either voting gamma or nobody, which smells to me like a (assuming you flip town) scum plan of "allow an all town wagon on town" -> mislynch people from that wagon and especially gamma who was closest thing to counterwagon to town.In post 914, Srceenplay wrote:
Any reason why? Was this slot that lynchbaity?In post 912, Llamarble wrote:If you are town, I think your wagon is all town anyway (with scum using daytalk to try and set up a mislynch with none of them on it)
It's particularly easy to pull something like that off in 3v12 with day talk; I think I would try.to as scum.
This isn’t the only reason you think the wagon is all town though right? Want to make sure I understand that part."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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We didn’t want a force replace.In post 937, Ranmaru wrote:Why the Swap instead of replacement, Screenplay?
I felt like my other game was going well.
New day just starting
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It gives us two more days to find a replacement. With prod timers."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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No. I stopped at 12 last night. I was starting to skim instead of read. Going to continue today.In post 950, Ranmaru wrote:Screenplay: Are you finished catching up? Also, why did Tchill and you swap instead of him having a replacement?"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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1)Tchill13 site flaked.In post 966, Thestatusquo wrote:Like there are some scummy slots I'm willing to let the replacement try to redeem them, but I don't feel like the slot is redeemable here, tbh. And the fact that you swapped him instead of replaced doesn't help in my mind.
2)If there are other scumy slots to you push them. At least give me a day. By your own account I have done more than Tchill13 who hasn’t given much to go off of. Allowing me to continue also allows me to generate reads and information.
3)I gave our reasoning for the swap. We didn’t want to be in a position of being docked points from any force replacement situations. Need time to get a replacement."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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He pushed me before in a game where we were both town. I think it’s play style differences that had him caught up with Llamarble.In post 968, Thestatusquo wrote:viewtopic.php?p=9898749#p9898749
This post is where I begin to think he's scum, and its because he seems to be looking at discrediting reads rather than making them, which is something I've seen him do as scum. The attack on llamarble for making associations while at the same time making his own associations is also kind of icky. It looks like hes trying to discredit a push using poor logic while doing nothing to actually advance the game.
This also could be a buddy defense thing. If tchill flips his bizarre reaction here makes a lot more sense in the context of some of these people being his buddies.
Like I said. I’m think Llamarble is town."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Hmm. I don’t know about that.In post 970, Ranmaru wrote:Tchill was posting in other games while he was still lurking here.
I will have to look at his post history.
I know he wasn’t posting in team chat.
Math posted a warning in our chat saying a force replace was coming."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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In post 972, Thestatusquo wrote:
1) Is not responsive to the points I raise. He was scummy WHEN he posted, and his site flake came AFTER those posts. He was already lurky and matching my scum meta before he site flaked. You bringing that up here doesn't seem honest. It's not like he never posted in this game, he was here for quite a while and THEN flaked. During the time he was lurk posting in this game he was spam posting in town in other games, as Dunn has pointed out.In post 969, Srceenplay wrote:
1)Tchill13 site flaked.In post 966, Thestatusquo wrote:Like there are some scummy slots I'm willing to let the replacement try to redeem them, but I don't feel like the slot is redeemable here, tbh. And the fact that you swapped him instead of replaced doesn't help in my mind.
2)If there are other scumy slots to you push them. At least give me a day. By your own account I have done more than Tchill13 who hasn’t given much to go off of. Allowing me to continue also allows me to generate reads and information.
3)I gave our reasoning for the swap. We didn’t want to be in a position of being docked points from any force replacement situations. Need time to get a replacement.
2) I am happy to see you or LQ go today. BUT what I am getting at with the other posts is that I don't want to give you another day, really, because I think it could muddy the waters. I specifically stated that I don't see your play as making the slot more likely to be town. If you're scum, you're clearly a much better scum player than Tchill. The problem isn't that tchill hasn't given us nothing to go off of. I never said that. He gave us plenty to go off of. The problem is that none of that was town.
3) The fact that tchill has yet to post in the other game gives credence to this point I suppose. I retract it.
1)It’s relevant because you said you could let a replacement redeem but I took from it that him flaking and needing a replacement sealed the deal for you. I’m saying it shouldn’t and you should go back to the thought of letting me prove myself.
2) You don’t know my play. Give it time to take in opinions of others who might.
3) If you look in the team chat info thread you can see boon searching for a replacement."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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1) I must have misunderstood your point. Your mind is made and doesn’t look like I can change it. So you can just have to sit back and watch.In post 976, Thestatusquo wrote:1) No, I said there are times I am willing to, but this is not one of those times. Because the things that lead to me thinking you're scum are not things that you can dispel. It's not like you can, with your play, make it so tchill did not play to his scum meta. You cant, with your play, change the way he didn't try to solve the game at all. You can't, with your play, change the fact that he lurked here while posting highly in town games. I want you dead. The only thing giving you more time can accomplish is causing other people to forget just how scummy tchill played this game because you are involved in the game, and I think that's one of the possible ways in which the town loses this game.
2) I've read plenty of your games.
3) I already conceded this. I accept your argument.
2) Interesting. Maybe I will be able to talk to you about it tomorrow."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Out of your a lot pile give me an example of one thing that rubbed you wrong.In post 986, Davsto wrote:Did i say saturday evening? I mean sunday actually am meeting with gf on saturday sry
But I'll try my best to keep with the current state of the game too since that's quite late
rn I think I'll vote LQ because a lot of what he's done has rubbed me the wrong way
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I just looked at his post history.In post 984, Ranmaru wrote:Tchill is still posting in other games at this time.
Today one post.
Previous was Sunday morning.
Last post here was Saturday.
4 days mia.
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This post of yours is what made me really put you in as solid town.In post 63, Llamarble wrote:I wonder if we win by lynching EddieFenix and Marquis and Postie. Wouldn't be surprised."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Based off me? How so?In post 1009, Llamarble wrote:But yeah based on screen I say we still lynch screen. I will look into LQ again later today though I guess."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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No.In post 1015, Llamarble wrote:Like, good on Ran for making end of day interesting but I don't think we should switch to LQ at this time. I promise to check more thoroughly tonight though. I am due for an LQ reread.
I’m not ok with it and you promises don’t make me feel better.
If you genuinely think LQ has a chance to be scum entertain that idea now.
I don’t know why you think my vote on LQ is something ai of scum?
Especially your own words of thinking they are scumy. I don’t understand the double standard."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Stop making the swap ai. Everyone.In post 1025, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I've been very busy today, sorry, so just making a quick pop-in to say the whole swap situation makes me feel better about the Tchilllynch - it's certainly a better one than lynching Lickitung (even if Lickitung does post too much).
The swap was explained and it can be seen as why it happened."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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I mean you might be able to make an argument if we switched games.
Or even if we abandoned this to a new replacement. But I’m here to keep a force replacement from occurring. Not ai at all.
Scum read this slot because of what Tchill13 said in thread but don’t do it for BS.
I’m here to explain and show that those who scum read Tchill13 misunderstood him. I plan to correct it."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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I don’t even remember LQ as being a wagon when I replaced in. That makes no sense.In post 1033, Thestatusquo wrote:I don't think that is what he's saying. I think that his point was simply that he can't give you town points because he thinks coming in and trying to switch the wagon on to the next most scum read player is really the only play you have in this situation if you're scum.
Llama can correct me if that's wrong."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Well unvote me until there is a catch up then.In post 1029, Ranmaru wrote:I'm voting Screenplay because I don't think his slot can be salvaged. I still think T-chill was overall weird and apologetic, and his posting seemed like he was posting to have the appearance of being present. I'm down with him being the lynch. Just want to see Davsto, Postie, NSG, and Marquis catch up.
Again I think Tchill13 obviously came across wrong and I’m here to try and fix that.
It’s BS that so many people seem against that happening. That’s the whole point of the game. Interact. Reinterpret. Evolve reads."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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You are making the assumption I’m up to date with that.In post 1036, Llamarble wrote:Mmhmm, what Shea said. Not the only play, but certainly the obvious one.
It had Ran pushing it and a number of expressed scumreads; I think it would be the obvious pick if you can tell the gamma wagon has no legs for today.
I think it is obvious I’m not."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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I can also do it with it off me.In post 1038, Ranmaru wrote:You can catch up while my vote is on you.
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Not mentioned in pt at all.In post 1041, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, I am really curious if you could share some of Chills notes that he gave on me, thanks.
In all total he only has 3 or 4 sentences about this game."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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No. It’s off of the first 12 paged I read.In post 1043, LicketyQuickety wrote:
And you are basing a SR on me based on 3 or 4 sentences taken from someone secondhand?In post 1042, Srceenplay wrote:
Not mentioned in pt at all.In post 1041, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, I am really curious if you could share some of Chills notes that he gave on me, thanks.
In all total he only has 3 or 4 sentences about this game."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Now you are starting piss me off.In post 1044, Llamarble wrote:I reread LQ. Saw a few things I didn't like. Saw thinga that seemed town too though. On balance I would still rather do a screenplay lynch today. I do need some help with the buddies if CES isn't one of them though.
You can’t quote some posts without commentary and say done.
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There are no buddies. Think about that for a minute."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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No.In post 1047, Ranmaru wrote:Screenplay how far are you in your catch up? Any updated reads?
I stopped at 12 and thought it would be more relevant to interact in real time. If you want me to go back and look at something I can. I already have one thing on my to do list."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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What do you think that is?In post 793, Dunnstral wrote:we wait for tchill to be replaced and try to read his replacement. I'm saying that there is a clear scum motivation for tchill to replace out.
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In post 427, Dunnstral wrote:(I don't really agree with the wagon on tchill either)
What can you point me to in the 200ish posts between these quotes that made you change your mind?In post 646, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Tchill13
Looks too different, timid/inactive, compared to when I've seen him a few times as town"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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In post 568, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: wgeurts
yeah i should have took my vote off postie apologies for that.
I looked a little harder.In post 587, Dunnstral wrote:
Uh this vote is pretty bad, I don't know why you're voting a slot that hasn't posted right now?In post 568, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: wgeurts
yeah i should have took my vote off postie apologies for that.
You seem off this game now, you seem timid compared to other games
This is the only Tchill13 post within those 200 posts.
The other is your response to it.
So this one post was enough for you to change completely how you feel on Tchill13.
And then later you do what you just complained to him for doing. Voting inactive slot. Not only that you push his activity as AI then admit you can’t prove it.
After not being able to back those claims up you move on to a different claim that can’t be backed up.In post 799, Dunnstral wrote:In post 795, Postie wrote:@Dunn- Link me some games that show Tchill has a meta of lurking as scum?Hm, I actually can't find any
There's still the matter of his actual posting looking different to where he is town, though
I'm kind of eyeing Cogito Ergo Sum and wondering if they're white knighting/defending scum and wondering if it's better to just go for them instead"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Make all the notes you want on me. That’s the point. So stop trying to shade me.In post 1058, LicketyQuickety wrote:It is notable that Chill is shying away from his SR on me.
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I didn’t realize the day was almost over. Realistically I wouldn’t have time to get caught and stay engaged.In post 1050, Ranmaru wrote:I stated I wanted you caught up as soon as possible, and that remains the same now. Can you expand on real time being more relevant for you, I'm curious why you prioritized that instead of catching up.
I can definitely read over night but at the moment I feel like real time interactions with me would be the most helpful i sorting my slot atm and I feel the sorting me correctly, fairly wont happen in a deadline situation.
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This is implying that I’ve been scumming it up. Now Im starting to believe you are full of shit. So explain this to me.In post 1067, Llamarble wrote:I think I actually feel better about Srceenflip than before replacement happened"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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?In post 1078, Thestatusquo wrote:
I'm sorry I know him in real life and called him by his first name by mistake? This seems like a weird thing to get mad at me for...In post 1074, Srceenplay wrote:You guys are really frustrating.
It’s not about that. It’s about being unreasonable with my replace in.
You guys are tunneled and it’s frustrating."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Wtf is wrong with me asking questions about their progression into this slot?In post 1080, Llamarble wrote:I think Davsto is an acceptable (maybe superior?) alternative to CES tomorrow in the event of a Tchill red flip.
I didn't like this post at all:
Llamalarmbells!In post 1057, Srceenplay wrote:In post 568, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: wgeurts
yeah i should have took my vote off postie apologies for that.
I looked a little harder.In post 587, Dunnstral wrote:
Uh this vote is pretty bad, I don't know why you're voting a slot that hasn't posted right now?In post 568, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: wgeurts
yeah i should have took my vote off postie apologies for that.
You seem off this game now, you seem timid compared to other games
This is the only Tchill13 post within those 200 posts.
The other is your response to it.
So this one post was enough for you to change completely how you feel on Tchill13.
And then later you do what you just complained to him for doing. Voting inactive slot. Not only that you push his activity as AI then admit you can’t prove it.
After not being able to back those claims up you move on to a different claim that can’t be backed up.In post 799, Dunnstral wrote:In post 795, Postie wrote:@Dunn- Link me some games that show Tchill has a meta of lurking as scum?Hm, I actually can't find any
There's still the matter of his actual posting looking different to where he is town, though
I'm kind of eyeing Cogito Ergo Sum and wondering if they're white knighting/defending scum and wondering if it's better to just go for them instead"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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This sounds as if you are saying you do have doubts about me flipping red.In post 1080, Llamarble wrote:I think Davsto is an acceptable (maybe superior?) alternative to CES tomorrow in the event of a Tchill red flip."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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If you have doubts why are you ignoring the possibility of me being town.In post 1087, Llamarble wrote:Asking questions in general is fine; it's the way you did these ones. Not so much trying to help others see the light as preying on apparent inconsistencies.
To be fair it would be worse if he were the other wagon or something.
Of course I have doubts. There are 3 scum in a 15 player game. I am good at mafia, but cautiously optimistic is about the best I can be unless the dayplay goes AWESOME from town.
I even heard unsalvageable. Don’t remember who said it but statements like that don’t imply doubt."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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He was the slot that I said I would iso.In post 1087, Llamarble wrote:Asking questions in general is fine; it's the way you did these ones. Not so much trying to help others see the light as preying on apparent inconsistencies.
To be fair it would be worse if he were the other wagon or something.
So of course I would be looking for anything that stands out.
I saw something that I find curious and wanted his response to gauge his motivation."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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Didn’t make it at lunch. Had to do it after work.In post 963, Srceenplay wrote:It seems like Dunnstral meta read on Tchill13 is the wagon reasoning for this slot? Is that correct?
I will probably start by iso’inh him during lunch."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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This is what I’m trying to say to everyone.In post 1093, Llamarble wrote:If you want us to unvote you, give us something compelling, show us a better way forward. If you're town, it usually shows eventually.
When I look at someone you discredit me.
You are playing with a mind set that I’m being lynched no mater what.
Well I’m not going to."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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In post 375, LicketyQuickety wrote:is"A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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From your poe why I’m a higher lynch than these two?In post 1126, Ranmaru wrote:If scum:
[Screenplay,Davsto, Marquis
If town:
Davsto, Marquis,ActionDan]
I’m also continuing with my read. I don’t see it happening completely without bias but we will see where it goes."A man can not be too careful on the choices of his enemies." Oscar Wilde-
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