White Flag - TM2020

[BBmolla]

I've met Mathblade and Titus through meetups, and I literally went to school with DEB (and boonskiies and espressojet and loserdudeog etc.) so according to discord I was the one on the replacement list they were most familiar with

I heard this is the most boring game in Team Mafia let's fucking make it a party homies

[BBmolla]

And I'm town so this game is gonna be way easier than I anticipated woot woot

[BBmolla]

And I'm town so this game is gonna be way easier than I anticipated woot woot

Did you think your slot was scum?

I hadn't read the game, but I always feel like if I'm replacing into a slot it's more than likely scum? I just assume people hate playing scum as much as I do.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: wgeurts

[BBmolla]

I'm going to make this the fucking fun game or die trying

[BBmolla]

VOTE: CheekTeeky

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Dong

okay im done

you're okay for now cheeky

[BBmolla]

Ayy lmao

nah your posts are okay

let's be town and win this game together

or you can be scum and bus your buddies for towncred

im fine either way

[BBmolla]

First two posts are scumposts

[BBmolla]

Fuckers

If this is mountanious like i've been told we have an easy win on our hands. In the meantime while i catch scum:
VOTE: Formerfish

these two

[BBmolla]

not extensively, I unfortunately got busy tonight

feel good about this though gonna see where it takes me

what's up with the auro wagon

[BBmolla]

Dong is pretty blatant scum imo

I'll vote NSG when I know I'm not hammering, not gonna put up with that shit, we're not your fucking sidepiece game NSG, play or die

I feel like this game is fairly obvious for the most part? Lot's of pretty readable people in this game.

Although Espy iirc is really fucking hard to read for me, pretty sure I've lost to Espy scum multiple times

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:

I'm not sure im ready to go full on esp yet. I need to read up some more, so i could settle with NSG for now.
My townbloc is still auro and hopkirk, but i would like to see more from gobble. Auros latest posts i still like but i havent read all of hopkirks responses. Either way i'm not going to worry too much about this bundling.

I would really like to push on some of esps weak points but im waiting for a clearing so i can make a full on case on him, i can probably do it in wednesday, so no rush right now. As of now im fine with a NSG lynch but not too thrilled about any other wagons.

this posts blows

so much fence sitty shit

[BBmolla]

If you think Dong is 'pretty blatant scum' I'd prefer that you pushed that lynch over policy voting nsg

I'd rather do that than get to LYLO and have NSG not fucking posted all game because "sorry guys other games required attention."

whoever said lynching lurkers day 1 is a bad idea is wrong, everything I've ever experienced has shown proof of the opposite.

you can't read someone if they have no content to get a read from and that only gets worse as time goes on

[BBmolla]

VOTE: BBmolla

Wow so brave

How do you feel okay making such awful votes

[BBmolla]

well this one is awful so I assume the rest are

[BBmolla]

I didn't look tbh

[BBmolla]

well this one is awful so I assume the rest are

I didn't look tbh

Why is it awful? Should I be hard town reading you now? I find your aggression to be a little over the top, it doesn't read as genuine to me.

Dong is scummy sure but what are your other reads?

I think I'm pretty obviously town tbh

which aggression is over the top/ungenuine?

other reads will form as ya'll post Dong is scum and I'm following that, I already said most people are town

The Auro wagon is probably a bust just from the timing and makeup of it all but I'm still waiting for more Auro posts to decide

[BBmolla]

got anything for me Espy?

[BBmolla]

I've kind of already said, I hate their first two posts and that post on the last page

[BBmolla]

which aggression is over the top/ungenuine?

I'd rather do that than get to LYLO and have NSG not fucking posted all game because "sorry guys other games required attention."

As well as overly aggressive (why you mad bro) why can't we see if she posts tomorrow? It's not like we have to lynch her today for how she could possibly play in the future, that seems unfair right?

Like you could continue to be lurky but it wouldn't make sense for us to lynch you based on what you could do.

okay but what if we don't lynch her today and she's not playing in the future but there's obvious fucking scum that we can't lynch because she's continuing to lurk

lurkers are fucking poison to a mafia game

and if you think that's me being aggressive you haven't played with me enough

[BBmolla]

1) lurkers are fucking poison to a mafia game

2) and if you think that's me being aggressive you haven't played with me enough

1) Agree but this lurker is a paragon. Again I won't lynch her for what may happen. She will be obvious scum tbh so I'm not concerned about a scum!nsg slipping through my fingers.

2) I was thinking the same thing when dann called me rude lol.

I guess if you had read a little bit more it wouldn't feel like you just latched onto the first explicitly scummy post you saw and then went 'Zomg obv scum.'

When I read through Dong's iso there are a lot of scummy posts, so much so that it seems too scummy to be scum. I think 'surely he would think before posting as scum.' So I'm not sure if he's a generally scummy player as town or if he's just scum here. I kind of need more from you on Dong so I know that your read is legit and you're not just surface level scum hunting as scum.

i like this post a lot I'll trust you on nsg

[BBmolla]

Why would a lurking nsg get nightkilled

...

[BBmolla]

How is it not a possibility to you? I think someone said earlier that by keeping her alive we force scum to choose to either kill her or leave her alive and kill another town leader.

I dunno just seemed like you knew you were policy lynching instead of lynching nsg because she's scum. I think I've confused myself.

VOTE: Formerfish

Evidently we feel very differently about how good nsg is

[BBmolla]

Idk that post seemed genuine enough to not lynch him atm

[BBmolla]

Okay for real let’s lynch Dong today look at all the fucking resistance I’m facing against a slot almost everyone has as null THATS NOT NORMAL FOLKS

[BBmolla]

Okay for real let’s lynch Dong today look at all the fucking resistance I’m facing against a slot almost everyone has as null THATS NOT NORMAL FOLKS

i don't believe in resistance but feel free to try again

im open to being convinced that slot is actually scum and not just a grating personality

What indication do you have that it’s not both?

[BBmolla]

Not wanting to lynch someone day 1 cause they’re “scummy but lynchbait” is terrible

You’re town still but come on

[BBmolla]

hey cheeky I'm okay with FF now, their last posts were awful

[BBmolla]

VOTE: FF

[BBmolla]

the fuck is going on

[BBmolla]

Can we talk about the fucking absurdity that NSGs reads are supposedly more useful somewhere else rather than a setup with no PRs and a 70% scum win rate

[BBmolla]

I still think FF is a good lynch, the AtE didn’t have the apparent affect on me it did on you all

I’m fine with a NSG lynch but I don’t think she’s scummier than FF, I just think her fucking logic sucks

[BBmolla]

Don’t like Gobble wagon.

[BBmolla]

This is a mistake - NSG is scumclaiming right now

Oh no she might flee tonight!

Oh wait

[BBmolla]

I think BBMolla is scummy

why?

[BBmolla]

fuck your attempt to deflect onto me

[BBmolla]

I like these wagons what course should I be taking?

[BBmolla]

like literally you're like "you're not doing anything except pushing the wagons you want and stopping the ones you don't"

???

[BBmolla]

This is a mistake - NSG is scumclaiming right now

Oh no she might flee tonight!

Oh wait

What was up with this post?

why can't we lynch NSG tomorrow

?

[BBmolla]

protip: we can

so this doesn't make a FF wagon a mistake

cause they could both be scum

and NSG can't flee

so we're not in a rush to get her

[BBmolla]

Look at this fucking wagon resistance, tell me that you seriously believe both these wagons are town

[BBmolla]

Who are your team mates

Ask them to read me cause you seem bad at it

[BBmolla]

Sorry BB.

VOTE: BBmolla

No you’re fucking not

[BBmolla]

What a fucking awful lynch good luck Town you’re clearly terrible no way we’re fighting that 70% loss rate

[BBmolla]

After I’m lynched please completely ignore Dunnstral, they are fucking awful and will lose you the game

[BBmolla]

VOTE: NSG

Good fucking luck honestly glad I won’t have to deal with y’all lmfao later can’t wait to see the L

[BBmolla]

After I’m lynched please completely ignore Dunnstral, they are fucking awful and will lose you the game

Dong as well but they’re probably fucking scum so whatever

[BBmolla]

Just judging by this lynch Espy is probably town no wonder he’s fucking hopeless

[BBmolla]

That's nice, but it doesn't explain how you keep pointing to wagon resistance but think that both of these people can be scum

Cause that’s not possible?

GOD you’re fucking awful

[BBmolla]

What a fucking horrendous wagon I hope y’all wake up tomorrow and realize how fucking bad it was

[BBmolla]

Literally there is no reasons given other than me not directing things harder

When everything is going with my reads

Why the duck would I push harder in that scenario

[BBmolla]

Y’all are unlikely this is all vanilla or I’d soft a PR and end this fucking garbage can wagon

Good luck letting NSG live another three days while continuing to lurk btw

[BBmolla]

And I hope that you all take all this and be like “oh wow that BBmolla was so mean I’m gonna win this for the town just to show him”

Because you played fucking bad today

You were a bad town and need to be better if we’re gonna get points

And if you can accomplish that I get points for it

I win no matter what

If you lose I was right you’re bad, if you win I win points

[BBmolla]

Alright gonna get ready for my day have fun losing for the next two months

[BBmolla]

PUT DUNSTRALL ON MUTE FOR THE REST OF THE GAME HOMIES

[BBmolla]

Also MathBlade says Cheeky plus NSG looks to be something

I’d ask for more details but I don’t know if they’ll get back to me before I’m lynched by the dumbass squad

[BBmolla]

I was born a lynchbait and I’ll die a lynchbait

Too bad none of you can fucking read me

[BBmolla]

Why the fuck are you apologizing to me Cheeky

[BBmolla]

In what would does town cheeky vote for someone they think is scum and apologize to them

Don’t like that

[BBmolla]

I got 30 minutes to work anything I can answer

I’ve got nothing to hide here even my feelings

[BBmolla]

Honestly even if i do get lynched it’s not all bad

There has to be at least one scum on that wagon and if I flip town maybe you’d actually take the energy and find them

[BBmolla]

I still think FF is scum, yes

[BBmolla]

No idea why everyone decided they were town

[BBmolla]

I don't think that's very indicative. I feel bad for lynching people all the time even if I think they're scum.

Huh we are very different there

[BBmolla]

I seriously cannot understand why people are townreading both FF and Dong

[BBmolla]

And I hope that you all take all this and be like “oh wow that BBmolla was so mean I’m gonna win this for the town just to show him”

Because you played fucking bad today

You were a bad town and need to be better if we’re gonna get points

And if you can accomplish that I get points for it

I win no matter what

If you lose I was right you’re bad, if you win I win points

are you 9?

And a half

[BBmolla]

Your frustration makes me joyous

[BBmolla]

No ones townreading me afaik

They’re evidently townreading you more than me

Lmfao

[BBmolla]

Whatever nsg flips doesnt mean anything. Scum can say "durr if hes town/scum then so and so is scum!!" since they know the flip beforehand. What all of you need to do now is shut up about it, we'll know her role in a few hours.

Hito thinks Molla fits better as partnered with FF than with nsg based on molla putting more content toward talking about nsg despite suspecting FF more (hito sees it as molla maybe wanting credit for being on the FF wagon). nsg red he thinks is good for Molla

Despite where we ended, the NSG wagon has been more contested for technical reasons than the FF wagon ever was

[BBmolla]

Donno why it quoted both those, this post was at Hito

[BBmolla]

That's nice, but it doesn't explain how you keep pointing to wagon resistance but think that both of these people can be scum

Cause that’s not possible?

GOD you’re fucking awful

No it's not possible for 1 mafia to be the cause of "wagon resistance" by themself in a 13 player game

Who are more certain, Town or Mafia?

[BBmolla]

Math says he thinks it’s Ceph, Cheeky, NSG

[BBmolla]

Dong seems kinda foolish and I think a lot of y’all are interpreting that as town

[BBmolla]

Game is hard

[BBmolla]

I'm definitely going to be the Night Kill, was fun playing with y'all!

[BBmolla]

Ceph isn’t a bad vote I didn’t like his end of day posts or his interaction with my wagon

VOTE: Espeonage

Where are you espy

[BBmolla]

Why did you vote me over her then

[BBmolla]

I agree on the kittymo night kill that was awful

[BBmolla]

Why did you vote me over her then

this could be said for me and cheeky and everyone else who hopped last second

Speaking of which, was there scum on my wagon?

If so, who?

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Hopkirk

[BBmolla]

it's okay hopkirk we'll lynch you and you'll be free

[BBmolla]

I can't even understand why you're mad unless you're scum, I feel great about how we punished NSG's shitty play

[BBmolla]

jesus christ I had to read your last sentence four times to understand what the hell you were saying lmfao

[BBmolla]

We have like 4 lynches to win yes?

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Espy

L-1

[BBmolla]

I'll be annoyed. But I get where BB is coming from tbh. There's a bunch of free lynches.

Yeah. I guess for me it’s like we can literally eliminate a couple of these scumreads instead of speculating a whole fuck ton.

But I probably am jumping the gun, the momentum in this game has just come to a close to me.

UNVOTE:

I mostly agree with the common scumreads, so it just feels like people are arguing between lynching my scumread #1 vs #2

But I guess it makes most sense to use the bigger townreads while still alive

[BBmolla]

Why are we not lynching hopkirk thoigh I am a bit confused on tgat

[BBmolla]

I can't even understand why you're mad unless you're scum, I feel great about how

we

punished NSG's shitty play

I feel like you sat on me until it was clear I wasnt going down. Werent you defending NSG early, and most, of day 1?

I’m on phone so not gonna find it but literally I was like “fuck letting nsg lurk punish that”

[BBmolla]

Are you for real

[BBmolla]

I can't even understand why you're mad unless you're scum, I feel great about how

we

punished NSG's shitty play

I feel like you sat on me until it was clear I wasnt going down. Werent you defending NSG early, and most, of day 1?

I’m on phone so not gonna find it but literally I was like “fuck letting nsg lurk punish that”

You did, sorta, but then you didnt do shit about that threat until the wagon on me stalled, switched to you and then you voted NSG as a counter to your new wagon. I could see how since she was already taking heat before you and you switching to her would take most of the heat off yourself. Especially after you back burnered her for about 1400 posts.

You were me preferred lynch to her but I always supported her wagon reread my iso

[BBmolla]

I like these wagons what course should I be taking?

[BBmolla]

I agree with going Espy > Hop ftr

[BBmolla]

Although tbh I don’t see this huge Espy scum reasoning but it’s possible it’s just cause I missed the early game

[BBmolla]

“Why are you fine going Espy > Hop???”

Cause I trust you guys, and if you’re wrong I trust myself

[BBmolla]

Gobbles can you do some graphs

[BBmolla]

Ok so far Pops hasn't read all the game but she has a spicy scum read on Cephrir and she berated me for being a dick to/scumspecting Dunnstral.
She used a lot of words to reason the Cephrir scumread that looked very convincing to me.
It's not anything tasty yet but that's the direction she's going with for now until she's fully caught up.

MathBlade says it's scummy that you called Math's (NSG/Ceph/Cheeky) scumreads bad but then went on to push Ceph. And you said "our objective" somewhere instead of the objective being getting scum lynched.

I'm unconcerned with you atm tbh but MathBlade wanted me to bring it up. If it sounds awkward it's because I paraphrased poorly.

[BBmolla]

I agree this is literally as far away from pure mechanical solve as possible lmfao

[BBmolla]

what if we lynched hopkirk now and then the game was over

i mean

that's why I was fine going quick

saves us a lot of brainpower

[BBmolla]

watching you explaining to Espy why he's scum while he does the same back to you is terrible uninteresting imo

[BBmolla]

I'm good to vote Espy unless ya'll have more you want to talk about

I feel like until we do we're going to keep going in circles

[BBmolla]

Hopp is scumposting

[BBmolla]

We still waiting on those reads from whoever?

[BBmolla]

Can we not lynch gobbles

It accomplishes nothing if he’s town

[BBmolla]

It stops the constant returning to his wagon every day from 50%+ of the town

[BBmolla]

Helps us be more unified.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Espy

bored of this

[BBmolla]

Cheeky you come out looking bad here just saying

Can’t make a square fit in a circle homeslice

[BBmolla]

Because this push is notably horrendous

[BBmolla]

Gobbles countered everything you said and you just keep adding more shit to the pile

you're trying to make a square fit into a circular hole and it's painful

[BBmolla]

Spews Cephrir town. Talks about scum NSG the most but votes Dong.

if you don't recall, yesterday NSG wagoned was discouraged by multiple people

[BBmolla]

1) lurkers are fucking poison to a mafia game

2) and if you think that's me being aggressive you haven't played with me enough

1) Agree but this lurker is a paragon. Again I won't lynch her for what may happen. She will be obvious scum tbh so I'm not concerned about a scum!nsg slipping through my fingers.

2) I was thinking the same thing when dann called me rude lol.

I guess if you had read a little bit more it wouldn't feel like you just latched onto the first explicitly scummy post you saw and then went 'Zomg obv scum.'

When I read through Dong's iso there are a lot of scummy posts, so much so that it seems too scummy to be scum. I think 'surely he would think before posting as scum.' So I'm not sure if he's a generally scummy player as town or if he's just scum here. I kind of need more from you on Dong so I know that your read is legit and you're not just surface level scum hunting as scum.

i like this post a lot I'll trust you on nsg

Like lmao?

[BBmolla]

gobbles is tactful, he knows he's not about to lead this town when there are bigger egos who'd prefer to

I don't understand why you think this makes him scum

[BBmolla]

If I'm at LYLO and it's between you and him I'm voting you

that's all I'll leave it at

[BBmolla]

Spews Cephrir town. Talks about scum NSG the most but votes Dong.

if you don't recall, yesterday NSG wagoned was discouraged by multiple people

Now you're being dumb. This has nothing to do with my push on Turkey, you're just strawmanning too.

...the quote is from your giant wall on Turkey

[BBmolla]

Spews Cephrir town. Talks about scum NSG the most but votes Dong.

if you don't recall, yesterday NSG wagoned was discouraged by multiple people

Now you're being dumb. This has nothing to do with my push on Turkey, you're just strawmanning too.

Omfg. My push on Turkey isn't about him defending NSG it's about his bullshit scumread there early and last minute vote. It's about progression and you know that you're just being a fucking idiot.

I'm so angry but glad you outted to defend your buddy. Neither of you endgame.

Glgl I'm out.

Then lynch me

[BBmolla]

ya'll are high af

seriously what game are you reading

[BBmolla]

I'll go today if you fucks want, I don't want to be in this town tbh, ya'll are fucking impossible to work with

[BBmolla]

Like I can't believe the Hop wagon never happened, what the actual fuck?

[BBmolla]

Convince me on Gobbles, like I literally don't understand, go

[BBmolla]

Like I can't believe the Hop wagon never happened, what the actual fuck?

But you were fine with Esp lynch?

yes

to unify the town

and he's a read blind spot for me, I can never read him, I said that like first thing

[BBmolla]

lmao

[BBmolla]

look idc that much, lynch gobbles, if he's scum, great, if he's not scum, not as great but I told you so

just don't come crying to me tomorrow if there is one

[BBmolla]

man fuck I don't know

like who do I actually think is scum? hopkirk + someone. FF?

[BBmolla]

their posts are exceedingly disgenuine.

[BBmolla]

if game stalls more I will
but yeah that seems like a scum gobbles move to stop posting when he's at L-1
that makes sense

[BBmolla]

that was sarcasm but I don't think it came off that way

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Hop

Okay with Dong as well.

[BBmolla]

For the record we have three lynches to get scum

[BBmolla]

For the record we have three lynches to get scum

Say Hop flips town, you lynch Dong and he flips town as well. Who would you want to lynch then?

Cheeky

Driving home will get to your other questions later

[BBmolla]

Auro your confirmation bias is real homeslice

[BBmolla]

@BB, cool - tell me why Gobble is town.

I'm not so certain they are anymore

but they seemed gut town for their reaction to the shit wagon on them

[BBmolla]

yes please keep gaslighting me

[BBmolla]

^A post I doubt Hop makes as scum; the emotions here feel genuine. If he was scum, that'd give him a winning chance for TM (apparently) and I don't think he'd go through the effort to post this - why would it help?

nothing in that post indicates town

I do believe he's genuinely annoyed about the modkill and shit

[BBmolla]

So scum! Hopkirk casually votes NSG mid D1, is worried about not having a winning chance for TM but still is okay; and then when his partner flips he decides to fabricate *this*? I imagine if he was actually teammates with her he'd try to get NSG replaced. These posts look like a genuine town reaction.

nothing about those posts indicate town

I do think he's genuinely annoyed with NSG playing like she did

[BBmolla]

Conflicting thought processes.

why did you quote them out of order?

yes when things were going the way I wanted I was fine with not lynching NSG

yes when things were instead turning to lynch the confirmed town person to me I was very upset that they weren't lynching NSG

[BBmolla]

Interesting that instead he just doesn't care for Cheeky or Ceph D2, readily votes Espy to "end the day" but cares a LOT when Gobble is wagoned.

why is that interesting

I think there's a simpler answer, but if there isn't than one of them is likely scum

[BBmolla]

I'll go today if you fucks want, I don't want to be in this town tbh, ya'll are fucking impossible to work with

BB, quote a single instance from any of your previous towngames where you take this stance against another wagon on D1/D2, please.

well here's me not doing that as town
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81665&hilit=fucking&start=1525

i don't get run up d1 that much, I'm normally like a "fuck it's day 3, idk I guess BBmolla" lynch

I mean I guess this is a similar mindset
viewtopic.php?p=11386632#p11386632

here's me faking being upset as scum
viewtopic.php?p=10756869#p10756869

[BBmolla]

It's interesting because town!Molla never cared much about the lynch of a slot he didn't strongly townread, on D1/D2. Prove me wrong.

I don't even understand what this means

[BBmolla]

don't regret the espy lynch, ya'll were going to be distracted by him until he was lynched, he had to go

[BBmolla]

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Control. The abuser may want to fully control and have power over the victim. In doing so, the abuser will try to seclude them from other friends and family so only they can influence the victim's thoughts and actions. The abuser gets pleasure from knowing the victim is being fully controlled by them.
An abuser's ultimate goal, as described by the divorce process coach Lindsey Ellison, is to make their victim second-guess their choices and to question their sanity, making them more dependent on the abuser. One tactic used to degrade a victim's self-esteem is the abuser alternating between ignoring and attending to the victim, so that the victim lowers their expectation of what constitutes affection, and perceives themselves as less worthy of affection.

According to philosophy professor Kate Abramson, the act of gaslighting is not specifically tied to being sexist, although women tend to be frequent targets of gaslighting compared to men who more often engage in gaslighting. Abramson explained this as a result of social conditioning, and said "it's part of the structure of sexism that women are supposed to be less confident, to doubt our views, beliefs, reactions, and perceptions, more than men. And gaslighting is aimed at undermining someone's views, beliefs, reactions, and perceptions. The sexist norm of self-doubt, in all its forms, prepares us for just that." Abramson said that the final "stage" of gaslighting is severe, major, clinical depression.

With respect to women in particular, philosophy professor Hilde Lindemann said that in such cases, the victim's ability to resist the manipulation depends on "her ability to trust her own judgements". Establishment of "counterstories" may help the victim reacquire "ordinary levels of free agency".

Sociopaths and narcissists frequently use gaslighting tactics to abuse and undermine their victims. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break laws and exploit others, but typically also are convincing liars, sometimes charming ones, who consistently deny wrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their own perceptions. Some physically abusive spouses may gaslight their partners by flatly denying that they have been violent. Gaslighting may occur in parent–child relationships, with either parent, child, or both lying to the other and attempting to undermine perceptions.

[BBmolla]

A hard stance against a wagon *on someone else*, not on yourself.
As in if someone else is getting wagoned, I don't think town!you gets upset on D1/D2.

None of those examples disprove this

but i think ya'll are really bad

[BBmolla]

What a fucking awful lynch good luck Town you’re clearly terrible no way we’re fighting that 70% loss rate

After I’m lynched please completely ignore Dunnstral, they are fucking awful and will lose you the game

VOTE: NSG

Good fucking luck honestly glad I won’t have to deal with y’all lmfao later can’t wait to see the L

Just judging by this lynch Espy is probably town no wonder he’s fucking hopeless

That's nice, but it doesn't explain how you keep pointing to wagon resistance but think that both of these people can be scum

Cause that’s not possible?

GOD you’re fucking awful

What a fucking horrendous wagon I hope y’all wake up tomorrow and realize how fucking bad it was

And I hope that you all take all this and be like “oh wow that BBmolla was so mean I’m gonna win this for the town just to show him”

Because you played fucking bad today

You were a bad town and need to be better if we’re gonna get points

And if you can accomplish that I get points for it

I win no matter what

If you lose I was right you’re bad, if you win I win points

I was born a lynchbait and I’ll die a lynchbait

Too bad none of you can fucking read me

here's my evidence to support that I think ya'll are bad

[BBmolla]

yes please keep gaslighting me

What does gaslighting mean?

Just googled it, no I'm not manipulating you to doubt your sanity. I'm genuinely like omg your lynch order sucks.

I have a nasty feeling both Dong and Hop flip town and I know I'm town so idk. Like the feeling about Dong and hop is the same one I had about espy.

If I'm right and they're both town I'd naturally think one of the people pushing the espy/dong/hop lynches is scum.

okay cool

so who's scum

[BBmolla]

those quotes are in order Auro I know that's shocking because you didn't know how to do it before but it is possible to post quotes and not mislead people by putting them in a different order

[BBmolla]

but i think ya'll are really bad

Sure, but you agree that this is the *first* time you have ever reacted strongly to a slot (that you didn't strongly townread anyway) when it was wagoned early game?

I loved every other wagon

what would I react strongly to

[BBmolla]

I still think FF is a good lynch, the AtE didn’t have the apparent affect on me it did on you all

I’m fine with a NSG lynch but I don’t think she’s scummier than FF, I just think her fucking logic sucks

Don’t like Gobble wagon.

I like these wagons what course should I be taking?

like literally you're like "you're not doing anything except pushing the wagons you want and stopping the ones you don't"

???

here you go evidence to support what I said

in order of course

[BBmolla]

are we going to keep playing this game auro

[BBmolla]

if you're all really going to be hung up on this gobbles/molla conspiracy than lynch one of us so that I can stop hearing about it

gobbles is preferable to myself but do what you will

[BBmolla]

You reacted strongly to the Gobble wagon. Saying "lynch me instead", "can't work with you guys", etc. Why?

i never said lynch me instead, please quote where i did thank you

[BBmolla]

Um that was just because I clicked the plus buttons in the order, contradiction still stands.

I already addressed this

[BBmolla]

Quoted, in order, without leaving out anything in the middle. What was 2194 a reaction to?

thanks for quoting in order

2194 was in reaction to me wanting to fucking die instead of being a part of this town because ya'll are doing whack shit

[BBmolla]

yeah cheeky is probably just scum tbh

it's all good tho

[BBmolla]

2194 was in reaction to me wanting to fucking die instead of being a part of this town because ya'll are doing whack shit

Which specifically was just the Gobble wagon, yeah?

I mean partially

also this that you quoted

Like I can't believe the Hop wagon never happened, what the actual fuck?

[BBmolla]

What is it that makes this so frustrating for you BB? The only thing that you've really pushed this game is that Dong is scum and Gobbles push was bad and why not hopkirk. Most people are agreeing with you so why are you getting mad at me and Auro for being "bad"? We're not the whole town and you're not really working with us to get on the same page, you just start getting abusive.

this game has had numerous awful wagons

it's a bit frustrating that we have no solid town leadership

I just literally don't even understand this push on me also, I'm like so fucking transparent it's insane

if ya'll think it's gobbles than whatever, lynch him, I'm over it for today. it's just Espy all over again. And if it's not we win. So either way it's fine.

this game went from everyone lynching my scumreads to everyone lynching my townreads and then my scumreads and then my townreads

it's a rollercoaster

[BBmolla]

Yes, so can you cite a single instance of you, as town, wanting to Smurfing die (btw where's Thor ) because of a wagon on someone else / a scumread not being wagoned, on D1/D2?

if you can link a game where we are one lynch away from victory and have four mislynches then I'm sure I would react that way

I don't think it exists sadly

[BBmolla]

Right ok. What are your reads now?

it's probably like hopkirk/FF

I kinda liked Dong's post but it is kind of deflecty so eh

[BBmolla]

FF, all the reasons for Gobscum are from the last few pages.

-Heavy unnatural AtE
-Made up reads (Esp, Cheeky etc)
-Molla's chainsaw

We can lynch both, but I want the faster win

I guess im just not ready to admit i was wrong about turkey.

Im praying that scum is just trying to deflect on to him.

I feel better about an Espy red flip, but if he flips green then Gobs has to be scum.

is this post not absolutely disgusting or am I crazy

[BBmolla]

Okay so let's get Gobbles, we have three lynches to spend anyway, as you said.

sure go ahead I have way more lynches I'd prefer but if ya'll do it then whatever

[BBmolla]

im pretty sure you guys can get five votes, go for it

[BBmolla]

okay

I'm gonna go to bed now night

[BBmolla]

hey I was very tired last night

Why are Dong and FF and Hop all not voting

...

[BBmolla]

Did you just call me mills

What am I a cereal company

[BBmolla]

Good vote tho Cheeky if I’m wrong I’ll sheep you tomorrow 100%

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gobble

[BBmolla]

If you’re right we win

If you’re wrong you get no say in tomorrow’s lynch Auro

[BBmolla]

Yes I’m bussing Dong come back

[BBmolla]

I’m tired of Gobbles/Mills theories let’s end them please

[BBmolla]

Fucking aitocyrecct

[BBmolla]

I like everything being posted

No need to rush we got over a week

Doing grad school auditions (going very poorly tbqh) but I’m here

[BBmolla]

Gobbles disappearing randomly is weird js where’s he been

[BBmolla]

Consider my vote on Hop

UNVOTE:

I don’t want shenanigans ending the day early

Danns solve is relatively similar to mine.

[BBmolla]

Dann what are your thoughts on Hop/Dong interactions

[BBmolla]

Or whoever from your team idc

[BBmolla]

BBmolla --- Independently probably just town

Explain. I've seen nothing towny in his play.

Stop closing your eyes

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Hopkirk

[BBmolla]

Yeah okay it’s Hop/Dong

[BBmolla]

I don't think my team have read the game at all. Currently asking Hectic about how the Eddie/Dann dynamic unfolded in their game.

Here's a thought Molla, don't complain about other people being bad when you have no apparent ability to gel with people.

I do though lmao

Just not y’all

[BBmolla]

Except Dann, we’re gellin

[BBmolla]

Also I’ve stopped a lynch on town so I can’t be LVP tyvm

[BBmolla]

Mine

[BBmolla]

Also all my gel buddies are demoralized by the garbage reads in this town

[BBmolla]

Gobbles lynch Hop today, if wrong I’ll go Dong tomorrow

[BBmolla]

Are you a consensus lynch

I see three votes and I don’t see a whole lot of others leaping to get on

[BBmolla]

Dong prob town

This has been your daily warthog

Who is Hops partner

[BBmolla]

If Hop is town it actually makes this game so whack

[BBmolla]

Cheeky and FF why aren’t y’all voting

[BBmolla]

[BBmolla]

BB I kinda want your take on things at this point.

That’s fair.

I have time today to mull on this but not right this minute.

Want to hear from Dann.

[BBmolla]

Gobbles what the fuck are you doing dude

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gobbles

[BBmolla]

Dann who would gobbles partner be

Both Auro and Cheeky have continuously been on turkey

FF is town

Titus wants either Auro or Cheeky. Believes them to be scum, my issue is I can’t name a game where two last scum were in top 3 posters

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gobbles

Why?

You’ve been sitting around two days

Most painful loss here is against you as scum when you lurked two days

But yeah I can’t come up with a reasonable partner

UNVOTE:

[BBmolla]

Tbh I think Gobbles > Cheeky results in a game win. Unless anyone strongly believes in Dong/Auro as the scum team.

[BBmolla]

Both scum?

[BBmolla]

Mafia being on top 3 posters is common. Being 2/3 in top 3 is rare.

[BBmolla]

Hey I unvoted you

Let’s just win today

[BBmolla]

Gobbles/FF are terrible lynches because if you take a look around we're all obviously set up to vote there. You can argue Cephrir as the universal town read but uh he was lurking doing nothing as opposed to kitty/dunn so really Dann would have been next with the attempted town spew yesterday. The other possibility is that Dann is here as mislynch bait but then I feel like his reads and his team are just terrible and he really should be revaluating better on how we got to this point. Yes all the NKs townread him yet all the lynchees that were town scumread him. I don't think the skill of your team outweighs your flip anymore tbh. Anyway...

Let's assume Dann is town and Eddie is having an mbaki day where he mislynches until lylo...then the only people who could be orchestrating this F7 without direct suspicion is BB and Dong. Nobody here is gunning for their lynches so them killing Cephrir also makes sense. I have a problem with Dong and BB being scum because of NSG wagon events.

BB could you tell me what happened to your Dong tunnel from Day 1? At what point did you end up townreading Dong?

I’m apparently the only one who thinks Dong is scummy so I figured it must be playstyle

[BBmolla]

Auro - 4 (Cephrir, Hopkirk, Espeonage, Formerfish)

[BBmolla]

Mafia being on top 3 posters is common. Being 2/3 in top 3 is rare.

I was top poster in that scum game against you.

Where was your partner in terms of posting