Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

That is the point yes. And I am not massclaiming, I am simply stating that it is very likely that at some point in the game my role is enough power that it is really obvious that it has to exist.

That’s not how any of this works....at all.

You can just as easily be covering with a scum buddy or TMIing.

See game where Titus bussed you for faking a guilty meta
And the person claiming info doesn’t always have to be the source.

So how about instead of talking mechanics we don’t know we get to reads?

Awesome.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade did you know that any particle in the world moving in a potential would seek out the path such the average kinetic energy minus the average potential energy is minimum?

I am a pure maths guy not applied. I didn’t do well in chemistry. So I don’t know. I could google and find out if that’s true or not but I am tired atm.

[MathBlade]

Oh yay 5 pages in a day after 4 hours of driving! /sarcasm

Did anything important happen in those days?

hi im voting you

Okay? Why?

*confused look of bewilderment*

Explain your thoughts so I can read you because clearly something is weird. Lol

rvs
i just joined

Clearly. How about instead of what seems to be trolling you read and do something?

It is taking a lot of restraint of me not to policy people here and if the past few posts are any indication y’all are adding to the post count without adding anything worthwhile.

You’re also seriously voting the likely person scum tried to night kill so doesn’t get more conf than me probs without mod flip soooo.....

I am doing something, you seem agitated )':

Yes. I am.

Because I leave for a day only to come back to more spam and more bs and I just gah. This is a lot and it is draining.

[MathBlade]

ari hates playing scum, has a strong tendency to lurk, and isn't really capable of giving cogent thoughts on the game or gamestate

This is what everyone believes and then Ari suddenly wins in lylo against one of the strongest towns ever assembled on MS.
I'm not saying he's *super likely* scum and I think that again the solution to scum!Ari is to lynch his scumpartners because it's real obvious that a lot of people aren't SvS with him

but uh Ari is, yeah.

hat’s not how any of this works....at all.

You can just as easily be covering with a scum buddy or TMIing.

See game where Titus bussed you for faking a guilty meta
And the person claiming info doesn’t always have to be the source.

So how about instead of talking mechanics we don’t know we get to reads?

Awesome.

My reads are already super, super clear to everyone and right now I'm trying to get through to Skitter because I think scum autoloses if we get this sorted out

Great for those of us who haven’t read the spam of the past day what are they?

[MathBlade]

I think that is a really dangerously easy townread to give him jsyk

idk how much experience you have with him but I have seen him win a lot of games as scum and he replaced my second strongest scumread

Name one
And a town one.

I hate trying to read jokesters.

[MathBlade]

are you on my team teacher

Yea, you should also have a link to the scum or with me and Vork.

?

It’s trolling obviously.

[MathBlade]

also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

this is a true point
ok we can deal with this tomorrow i think, if we're still both here

Why are you assuming today will be a mislynch?

VOTE: Skitter30

[MathBlade]

Uhm most normals this size have three scum RC?

I am not following your reads and how only two players are in scum pool?

[MathBlade]

@rc I agree with the townblock, especially the inclusion of Ico. Flopz I’m weaker on, but including due to the ease of wagon and response. I’d like more out of that slot. But if we can get all those players onto a single wagon today I think it will be good.

I don’t agree with Skitter or RCE one of them is prob scum leaning Skitter.

[MathBlade]

-on you, I believe there is a deep wolf (or two) in this game. I don’t think it’s math. I think there’s about equal chance of RC/RCE, which is why I’ve got the pending question to RCE. I think you could *possibly* be scum with RC, but are unlikely to be by yourself. In other words, I townread you, but with paranoia (less paranoia than on RC).

-math has been hard pushing Ari. RCE is pushing RC, but calling ari openwolf. That’s two of my townreads calling out a slot that has been difficult to lynch and that I don’t see putting out content.

- on stronger scumreads, I’m not the type to fake it. I feel good about my towns, but there are way too many slots just being allowed to skate by. If we get content out of shos/saudade/xtomx and Bella, I will start feeling stronger.

- because everyone’s blah on me but I’m being enough of a presbence to be discussed, but not really considered (yet)

Pedit: began this when skits post I am responding to was the most recent thing.

i think math is tunneled on ari. and rce thinks rc/ari is a thing which i think obviously doesn't make sense. like what do you thinka bout the rc/ari situation ???
and again do you have an independant read on ari or?

and that's what i'm saying wrt shos/saudade/xtoxm/bella/almost you, that if we cocnentrate on ari/rc/me/math/whatever we're never going to get content out of them, i think that pressuring the lurkers is a much more productive use of our time than deathtunneling ari or me deathtunneling rc

who do you think is most liekly scum in that group and why?

also i'm feeling blah on you so that's why i'm starting this dialogue ...

Check again. I am voting you.

[MathBlade]

Uhm most normals this size have three scum RC?

I am not following your reads and how only two players are in scum pool?

I think I’m the third, with a side of ari.

Yeah no.

Saudade is prob town. And you’re prob town.

I don’t think anyone would recommend Saudade joke around in thread if scum or not discourage him from it eith how heavy his slot is read. I don’t see Saudade scum here.

[MathBlade]

Because I leave for a day only to come back to more spam and more bs and I just gah. This is a lot and it is draining.

tell me about it
i think tonight has been significantly better than most days in this game tho tbh

I’d rather you address the reason I am voting you.

[MathBlade]

Ari are you going to scumhunt because so far everyones been posting walls and stuff and you were just amusing yourself looking througn my posts

Omg I want to hug you. <3

Take a free heart emoji.

[MathBlade]

also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

this is a true point
ok we can deal with this tomorrow i think, if we're still both here

Why are you assuming today will be a mislynch?

VOTE: Skitter30

math i think you need to take a step back from the game and just like ~broadly reassess~
your reads are p bad imo

i don't think ari is scum here

Interesting

I asked my teammates to help in case of issues
Their biggest issue “Why isn’t Ari dead yet?”

Like that’s been the state of my discord. I asked them to reconsider and they’re all like “Nope he’s scum” *sigh*

[MathBlade]

I also didn’t like you didn’t address my point regarding you skitter.

[MathBlade]

also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

this is a true point
ok we can deal with this tomorrow i think, if we're still both here

Why are you assuming today will be a mislynch?

VOTE: Skitter30

Underlined for you to see Skitter

[MathBlade]

@rc I agree with the townblock, especially the inclusion of Ico. Flopz I’m weaker on, but including due to the ease of wagon and response. I’d like more out of that slot. But if we can get all those players onto a single wagon today I think it will be good.

I don’t agree with Skitter or RCE one of them is prob scum leaning Skitter.

I also agree with you (not on who, but on the presence of a deep wolf) but still would like that block to function together.

Who are you considering possible deep suspects?

[MathBlade]

also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

this is a true point
ok we can deal with this tomorrow i think, if we're still both here

Why are you assuming today will be a mislynch?

VOTE: Skitter30

Underlined for you to see Skitter

if you're talking about ari - i think he's town and i think you're just wrong on him (which i said already)
otherwise i don't know where you think i'm assuming today is a mislynch

You’d only be dealing with mass claim possibly if today is a mislynch. If we lynch scum mass claim doesn’t come into this. The fact you’re saying we would deal with mass claim logic tomorrow is troubling.

[MathBlade]

I dont like ari so far

Join my Ari wagon I just left for deepwolf hunting.

It’s Math(TM) approved

[MathBlade]

Ari Skitter Plum/their replacement top team theory as of right now.

[MathBlade]

Ok Math

Why won't you vote Plum then?

1) Because plum/their replacement hasn’t posted yet unless it’s in the posts I have missed today.
2) My Plum scumread necessitates Skitter scum first. I think Skitter if scum finds the slot bussable.

I am trying to work on playing the game y’alls way which means that no if then so Skitter and Ari are independently scummy.

[MathBlade]

You’d only be dealing with mass claim possibly if today is a mislynch. If we lynch scum mass claim doesn’t come into this. The fact you’re saying we would deal with mass claim logic tomorrow is troubling.

a) i'm generally a proponent of earlier massclaim than later massclaim tbh
b) i was obviously referring to the worst-case scenario wherein we lynch town today, in which massclaim has to happen tomorrow

i said i wanted to revisit the rc thing, not that i was going to shout for massclaim tomorrow indiscriminately

Nah you had none of that qualifiers and early mass claim is stupid if deepwolves can exist.

I am pretty sure you’re scum.

[MathBlade]

i don't know why i should be townreading here, and i find that alarming.
like if i'm wrong ... can you help me see that

I don’t think so? Like I’m playing my totally normal game, which holds up fairly well against any of my other games that I’ve played with you, and I normally fall into the boards null-blah pile but I feel meta-you should see it? I’m not really sure what to say to this - perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised you aren’t townreading me since you never really have before (I think I even collected the links in our most recent discussion like this), but I also don’t really know how to make you see the nose in front of your face, so.....

oh my god your posts are amazing

Hey actual content from you. A dude could like this.

[MathBlade]

Oh gawd I see the amount of oldies and I smile
anyway I'll start reading tomorrow; can anyone tell me shit about the setup though as a heads up? also PLEASE a summary?

What did your teammates tell you?

Seems odd they wouldn’t at least give a lay of the land.

[MathBlade]

You’d only be dealing with mass claim possibly if today is a mislynch. If we lynch scum mass claim doesn’t come into this. The fact you’re saying we would deal with mass claim logic tomorrow is troubling.

a) i'm generally a proponent of earlier massclaim than later massclaim tbh
b) i was obviously referring to the worst-case scenario wherein we lynch town today, in which massclaim has to happen tomorrow

i said i wanted to revisit the rc thing, not that i was going to shout for massclaim tomorrow indiscriminately

Nah you had none of that qualifiers and early mass claim is stupid if deepwolves can exist.

I am pretty sure you’re scum.

i dont follow the logic why u scumread her now
chew it for me im very stupid

Well mass claim is when people all claim their roles from their role PM and any night actions taken.

Sorta like how RC claimed Detective who checked teacher we all would claim any PR or anything.

The problem with that is that it is extremely harmful for town if not done at the right time with the right circumstance.

Skitter was assuming we would fail rather than pass or fail and just don’t know.

That makes her likely scum.

[MathBlade]

? *confused*

Like I am 100% sure I won’t be mislynched today. Go ahead and throw your hissy fit.

I am not sure what brought this on but you’re gonna just do you this game.

Everyone knows the crumb I saw and I am conf town. Like I mean keep being RC because you get me wrong a lot

I am going to keep pushing my scumreads and let you have a tantrum like a 5 year old.

[MathBlade]

You’d only be dealing with mass claim possibly if today is a mislynch. If we lynch scum mass claim doesn’t come into this. The fact you’re saying we would deal with mass claim logic tomorrow is troubling.

a) i'm generally a proponent of earlier massclaim than later massclaim tbh
b) i was obviously referring to the worst-case scenario wherein we lynch town today, in which massclaim has to happen tomorrow

i said i wanted to revisit the rc thing, not that i was going to shout for massclaim tomorrow indiscriminately

Nah you had none of that qualifiers and early mass claim is stupid if deepwolves can exist.

I am pretty sure you’re scum.

i mean i thought it was a given that if i'm talking about massclaim tomorrow it would be because it was the day before lylo
i did miscount tho, i keep thinking we're 11 instead of 12, which messes with things

do tell tho why thinking this is scummy, i'd love to hear

Because mass claim outs protectives if any.

If scum don’t realize who the protectives are then we lose the upper hand.

Right now RC either as town or scum doesn’t like the fact the block trusts me and not him.

Like mainly it’s a matter of figuring out if he’s doing this because Ari was picking up steam.

If he’s scum then...
He picked a fight with TW after TW voted him when I was pushing Ari he just waited til someone voted him. He knew that lynching a claimed detective is bad so he voted TW and kept spamming making a case impossible.

If he’s town then he can’t stand when he doesn’t get his way. Anyone else in the limelight pisses him off.

Like for the same reason we shouldn’t lynch Ari yesterday (no content b/c life) Shos has the same reason
Yet RC thinks it’s okay to pressure shos and not Ari

What exactly is the difference?

[MathBlade]

@RC it’s the entire reason he wasn’t hammered day one
You begged for him to have more time to post and sort because VLA.

[MathBlade]

Because mass claim outs protectives if any.

If scum don’t realize who the protectives are then we lose the upper hand.

Right now RC either as town or scum doesn’t like the fact the block trusts me and not him.

Like mainly it’s a matter of figuring out if he’s doing this because Ari was picking up steam.

If he’s scum then...
He picked a fight with TW after TW voted him when I was pushing Ari he just waited til someone voted him. He knew that lynching a claimed detective is bad so he voted TW and kept spamming making a case impossible.

If he’s town then he can’t stand when he doesn’t get his way. Anyone else in the limelight pisses him off.

Like for the same reason we shouldn’t lynch Ari yesterday (no content b/c life) Shos has the same reason
Yet RC thinks it’s okay to pressure shos and not Ari

What exactly is the difference?

When did I ever even once hint at Ari not having enough content not being a good reason to lynch him. That never happened. You're saying it because it's a good narrative now.
I never said this. I'm okay lynching Shos because it's a scum slot that got replaced and it is still a scumslot.

Also you're suddenly talking to Skitter30 like she's town since I turned on you.

And no I am not. I am explaining a point. That’s all.

It’s beneficial to literally everyone.

I am going to go to bed now too. Seems more fun than playing with someone who can’t adult atm.

[MathBlade]

I won't spam this time.

we got this.

When J went to sleep you had 1350 posts
Now it's 1456

Error


...so hey guys I noticed there was no nightkill. Has there been talk about that? Or is it just scum letting town be confused by the amount of spam?

Can anyone actually concisely summarize what the feud between RC and worst was? Or if the question is wrong, rephrase it and answer regardless

The worst said RC was scum.

RC said the worst was policy lynching him.

The two kept screaming so loud no one could do anything.

He’s repeating the process today so I am just going to let him rant and keep hunting.

I also found a cartoonish representation of RC and most of our thoughts:

Spoiler: RC

I quite literally have better things to do like sleep and chores rather than interact with you RC.

[MathBlade]

I picked a random page on D1, read it and it is useless. So let's just go with this
Is there anythung I should read ON DAY 1 or should I just start with D2? I have some opinions from my team but it's better if I form my own thoughts before reading those so expect me to still be useless until say tuesday

Pedit
fA? Nope
I do remember you and Wisdom kicking the shit out of threads

Ari’s D1 iso and the VCs/wagons around it

It was pretty much the only long standing wagon before RC+TW explosion.

[MathBlade]

Hey Saudade,

What do you make of RC? My teammates (Titus and BBMolla) said earlier he was town but haven’t had a chance to check for a bit. And yes I left off Dr Easy Bake. He’s new and got assigned the complex theme so I am not asking his input on a 4000+ post behemoth.

I personally am waffling on a lot of reads and am doing a reset here. Speaking of which

VOTE: Unvote

[MathBlade]

I am also wondering what specifically triggers these moments.

He had one with TW and one with me.

If he’s town there’s got to be a catalyst that causes this reaction.
If he’s scum there’s got to be a reason he thinks this is beneficial even if he gets lynched.

I just can’t see what the logic is here for either alignment. 3P perhaps?

[MathBlade]

I wish that Worst wasn't either disengaged or scum or that between SKitter/Math one of them was someone else because I'm literally a huge antisynergy to this lobby unless I play dictator which I don't really want to do.

In the early game RC said specifically he did not want to play dictator.
Then he plays dictator with TW.
Now he tries again with me.

So he’s either honest about that and there’s a catalyst that set him off that needs to be revised for his future games (if any) or he’s scum and that was his intent all along and he’s faking a progression with that.

[MathBlade]

And, uh, I can't help you with that because it's an unreasonable expectation that I don't post at all in team mafia. I've already backed down on what I perceive as playing to win in the favor of making the game pleasant.
I'm absolutely not going to simply not play when no one else was driving the game in any positive directions; I offered, nothing happened, I went back to doing my own thing.

Like, I know you're scum. I don't have much interest in aiding Eddie in trying to townspew your slot via further reasonableness.
I don't like you shitting on me when I went very far out of my way to engage you and talk to you and you just kept getting mad at me for it.

This shift is also worth a second opinion it seems odd. Would love if someone would give their opinion.

[MathBlade]

I think you know better than any of that as town.

Whoops forgot a post. Mobile quoting sucks

RC calls TW town then scum in the next post? Wtf?

[MathBlade]

I mean, Aristophanes isn't here so there's no point wagoning him.

Oh look RC said the thing I specifically accused him of. Shocking.

Bella I think that’s incorrect based on RC’s play here.

He had a wagon going on Shos and then dismantled it to attack me.

Similar to how he had a wagon going on Ari and then attacked TW.

This means we probably need to sort through the posting and find out what conversation he didn’t want to happen. It might be Ari but it might be something else.

[MathBlade]

....RC gets into a 1v1 yesterday to stop Ari getting lynched and we lynch town to make everyone shut up.

RC starts a -new- 1 v 1 with probtown marhblade and...expects profit?

In less than 50 words, like, can RC explain how what he is doing is helpful?

It's more than likely there is at least one scum in th quiet/replaced slots. Why focus on shitting up the thread again?

RC also can't seem to remember where I am around their null line from post to post.

He has you as scum in his PoE solve apparently with me scum with you. I forget the third it was so horrendously funny.

[MathBlade]

I think its best I take example for you & not interact with him

I agree with this. I am trying to figure out if RC is scum.

In order to process this line of theory I need to see what he gains.

I am not interacting WITH RC I am mentioning RC and trying to figure out his motivations.

If he is town then we need to get him course corrected ASAP as to avoid a policy lynch.

[MathBlade]

Math/Skitter/Ari is the only scumteam that leaps out at me.

He flipped his shit when I started voting Skitter over Ari. Reasons right or wrong, this provoking such a response is odd.

I am kinda halfway curious to see what a Skitter wagon would do.

[MathBlade]

Why were you voting ari, he stopped me from going tunnel vision @ RC and I townread him for that

Because my teammates pointed out a weakness of mine which is buddying and most of his posts were devoid of content but really nice. Since then he has not made a push anywhere.

I am kinda thinking RC/Skitter/Ari and if not Ari Bella. But I am thinking RC Skitter def a thing.

ScumRC could have redirected the Ari lynch to save a buddy or try to save cred and make Ari pushers look bad but only got more vocal when Bella was coming up? I don’t wanna go slog through the posts to see if my memory is right though. Too much spam.

[MathBlade]

He has not made a push = Ari, not RC

[MathBlade]

His reasons d1 for townreading Skitter are that she can’t fake that level of emotion but she has a “Best scum” award.

I am kinda wondering if Skitter v RC was to defuse the RC wagon at the start of the day.

Pedit: I had a lighter push of Ari. Who did you push? You voted me sure, but I am curious to how you define push.

[MathBlade]

Btw

VOTE: Skitter

She should be poked and see if I am right.

Pedit Ahhh right. Derp.

Can you see if RC+Skitter is a viable thing? Or am I in left field?

[MathBlade]

Either that or Skitter was supposed to bus RC for cred. TW was their victim to set this up as RC wasn’t supposed to go down until D2. The third then could be literally anyone.

Ugh trying to sort RC is a pita.

[MathBlade]

Well except a small subset. You know who you are.

Pedit I would be willing to but I kinda think maybe not. I am trying to revisit that read. If Ari happens I wouldn’t mind as they aren’t playing but I think getting RC with better reads if town or sorting him if scum has to be a priority since he is attacking the town block.

[MathBlade]

Hello Ico, im mason

You know what I actually believe this lol

Who is your #1 scumread

Ehh, scumreads are hard to come by this game. I've got heaps of townreads tho. Scum is somewhere in like (skitter, ari, tris, flopz). RC was a big townread of mine until he went after Math. On D1 he did the same to the worst. I really don't know what to make of RC.

I like mathblade the most right now, with a grain of skitter

I don't really like skitter that much, mostly because of her reads progression on my slot. But it's not much, and I do like most of her other posts so yeah.

Would lynch Ari today.

Vote Skitter with me. I want to sort her.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: skitter

Really tempted to just go after RC who is now trying to openwolf imo by going after the townblock as you say

It’s tempting but if RC is scum his end goal is to be lynched today so we need to extract as much out of the day if we decide RC is scum.

Plus there’s this whole if RC is scum either he’s trying to throw shade on a protective or create one where none exists to deep wolf with the “no kill” theory. Would be nice to sort which. Do you follow Ico?

[MathBlade]

Can you see if RC+Skitter is a viable thing? Or am I in left field?

nah youre good
i had this thought too when they started to 1v1 it looks like theatre

Can you please post more or be more descript? It’s hard to get a grasp of you when your posts are so few and uncommunicative.

What made you think this?

[MathBlade]

Also would love your skitter vote? Either that or RC Xtom? If they are there please disregard by bad memory.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Math

Iunno what happened in that last one lmao

You must mean your scum team.

I know Nancy is not an early bird, she’s probably asleep. Creature would check out after post 12 whatever his alignment as he’s not playing. Auro I haven’t met but your entire team agreeing seems to be a bit of a stretch considering I have been scum with both Nancy and Creature before.

And yes I made a point not to indulge RC’s childish wagon. I still won’t as it’s still just spam.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Math

Iunno what happened in that last one lmao

You must mean your scum team.

I know Nancy is not an early bird, she’s probably asleep. Creature would check out after post 12 whatever his alignment as he’s not playing. Auro I haven’t met but your entire team agreeing seems to be a bit of a stretch considering I have been scum with both Nancy and Creature before.

And yes I made a point not to indulge RC’s childish wagon. I still won’t as it’s still just spam.

I talked it over with them last night. Auro agreed, Nancy said go for it, and Creature in a non-entity.

I merely did not just on it because I was hoping you would prove us wrong. The immediate discrediting of RC did it for me tho!

Your entire team can’t agree if Creature is a non entity. A non entity is simply that.

Creature couldn’t be bothered with reading in Heroes Wanted (game which we played together). There’s no way your team agreed like you claimed. Plus I find there’s no way anyone could read 4000 posts that fast and not have their brain Swiss cheese.

No pushes is now indeed inaccurate. You have one now. With very coincidental timing. I refuse to play RC’s game. Deal with it. If you want to case me go ahead but I think you’ll find I am very much obvTown for a reason.

[MathBlade]

What even is this Skitter wagon!?!?

I've gotta look into it at some point

Yes you should, especially if you truly do scumread me. I doubt it but I mean if you do you should try to figure out why.

[MathBlade]

What even is this Skitter wagon!?!?

I've gotta look into it at some point

Yes you should, especially if you truly do scumread me. I doubt it but I mean if you do you should try to figure out why.

I mean that this kinda popped up out of the blue and I want to look into why and how so I can glean intentions and alignments.

Why and how are you using that to be snide about my read on you?
Honestly.

Because quite simply put RC thinks very little of me as either alignment. The mention of the no kill argument while pushing me claiming to be a gambiter was very much spoonfed from someone who only has limited experience with my scummeta.

My biggest rule for scum is if town is being stupid let them continue to be stupid and encourage it. Gambits are only if I and/or my team am not in a secure position. With the gamestate it was the end of D1, none of that applied. This means that skitter who has only seen Extra Communication in which I replaced a heavily scumread slot, and Nancy with whom I replaced into a slot that Titus bombed would naturally think I lean towards gambits. My scum game is much more control and that misrep would only come from players feeding RC information. RC quite frankly thinks I suck at mafia and probably less than a bug. So mainly the more he pushes and flails the more he gives out. It’s quite funny actually.

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Your entire team can’t agree if Creature is a non entity. A non entity is simply that.

He replaced in after being hammered and is literally not engaging with TM.

Not that that matters because you are, once again, arguing around the point.

Quite frankly I am not.

I am scumhunting despite absolute stupidity and think I found why.

The fact you’re chainsawing so hard forests are complaining is hilarious.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: I found Ari

Here’s a meme for you Ico.

[MathBlade]

If your argument is that I'm scum with Skitter then vote me not her.

Why would I follow the plan you want? You’re scum lol.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: skitter

Really tempted to just go after RC who is now trying to openwolf imo by going after the townblock as you say

So vote me then??

Don't let Math use your shitty scumreads on me to push two mislynches on me/Skitter instead of just one

There's a reason that the votes are going on her not me and that's because Skitter lynch is impossible after I've flipped

Jesus Christ Iconeum Duckling notwithstanding but I've been right on plenty of universal scumreads being scum and there's really no basis to push me/Skitter as scum together or individually

Did you even read my case or were you just like lol I TR Math therefore RC is scum for going after him

Nah. Your plan is you dead by EoD.

If you think Skitter is town better save her because that’s where the conversation is going whether you like it or not.

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Why is anyone townreading Plum/Shos in the first place Jesus this isn't hard

Replace with Ari.

Next!

I can play the spam game better than you.

You’ll not only lose but I will have townreads interact.

So Skitter’s scum people.

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VOTE

This post is ugly af.

Surely Skitter can figure out if Ari is town or scum by doing her own investigation.

Instead she takes RC at his word that she is incapable of scumhunting wtf?

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You called a bunch of other people scum to make the person you were voting sweat, is that a correct interpretation? Because you kept calling other people scum even before you voted Skitter.

Oooh I found a commonality. Voting Skitter seems to set off RC.

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Wow sheeping RadiantCowbells is not something any town player would ever do- says player who sheeped RadiantCowbells onto Duckling.

Oh the sheep would be fine. People respect your play sometimes.

It’s the self insult that is odd. That she’s literally incapable. Skitter doesn’t seem like the type to insult herself.

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Ooh I found a commonality. Anyone pushing on Plum is scum, anyone not pushing on Plum is town then you kiss up to then with that awful honeyed tone and people aren't questioning it?

I could so do an adult joke right now, but instead I will remark that specific events are happening from you because of others actions.

If Skitter proves my theory wrong, then I have no problem going back to you as you will have fucked with the gamestate so hard that we would need peace and quiet to figure out where and what happened. But I am pretty confident that you blowing up at me and TW for voting Skitter is what happened. Since you already claimed you can’t be masons that leaves scum with Skitter.

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Incapable of reading me? Well, yeah. She has a very long track record of scumreading me as town and that's not s difficult statement to prove and the rule for this entire year that just passed was let me lynch my scumreads D1 and D2 and if I haven't lynched scum I'm scum. It's a very reasonable game plan for town to follow reading me.

She might be incapable of doing so, but I don’t think she insults herself as town. Call it a hunch.

I am gonna wait for Skitter or others to post now.

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Aka

You're openly lining up my lynch when Skitter flips town

No you’re regular scum or traitor. Just have to ask the mods whether traitor dies or gets recruited to scum chat in a normal.

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Source: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead.
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them.

So you’d have to be a BP traitor and my who scum shot theory was wrong or just regular scum. Leaning the latter but the former also makes it why you’d want to die early.

Either way I find it interesting you exploded twice when people vote Skitter.

Anywho peace out.

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No I mean he objectively can't. I play all games better than Mathblade except the one where I have to kiss up to people that I don't respect.
And I don't have a problem respecting anyone who has done anything to earn it but I simply don't respect anyone beyond the level of their proven ability.

See? RC proved my point. He thinks so little of me he wouldn’t make a meta argument.

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I mean, I'm actually really impressed with what you've done here. Does that mean I think you're as good as me at scum? No. But you sure are managing to push a lynch on Skitter30 and line me up behind her.

I am pushing a wagon on her to read her and verify my theory. Nothing more nothing less.

Depending upon how she and others handle said wagon determines who will be lynched today. No more no less.

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Like I really don't care for your style Math. Sucking up to everyone so they like you and townread you in spite of you spewing the most garbage that I've ever seen only works because the vast majority of players in TM are kind of awful, no offense.

I wish you were as half as talented as you think you are, then you might have been interesting

I dunno about you but there’s this thing called fun. I hear it’s an awesome thing during games.

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Pronoun: She

duh

Which I apologized for and fixed since then.

Pronouns are very important to me. You know this.

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Pronoun: She

duh

Which I apologized for and fixed since then.

Pronouns are very important to me. You know this.

wat

I called skitter he on accident earlier in the game.

I don’t know why as I am usually better about that.

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because in spite of her general scum competency she can't function in real time as scum and i forced her into real time engagement with me several times and she wasn't her bland emotionless rote scum self in real time

Wrong: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76766&user_select%5B%5D=29653

She can do it it’s just exhausting. Look at the final few posts post game. She won an award for it.

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also her d1 flip out when I tried to 'policy lynch' her was outside of her scum range. also the way she dealt with tw/ari wagons on D1 was really genuine. also her whole engagement with me.

Genuine doesn’t always equal town. I don’t think it was but even so you’re better than making the genuine argument. C’mon RC. Stop being LAMISS and give us a good reason why you townread Skitter.

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you realize I read that game for scummies last year, correct

Obviously not well enough then or you wouldn’t have lied.

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i was kinda running out of motivation tho and just wanted the day to be over so i could have a break and like ... not have to post for a while so i just decided to hammer you because then you wouldn't be there to call me out on my illogic, but nothing i said there made much sense at all. like it sounded good but didn't actually mean anything or explain why i was voting you. i did wonder if anybody was going to notice that i didn't scumread you at any point till like the day before i voted you

^^ Direct quote from Skitter.

She can do it she just gets exhausted and her reads make less sense.

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I've given plenty of good reasons why I townread Skitter.

Obviously not well enough then or you wouldn’t have lied.

Literally at the end of the game Skitter brings up the fact that she struggles in real time. I started forcing her into real time interactions with me super early this game.
Do you want me to quote in that game where Schadd_ points out that Skitter hasn't engaged in real time in that game and Skitter says she struggles with it?

Like she can do it ~okay enough~ for laypeople but not nearly good enough to fool me and I, similarly, to this game made a point of trying to drag her to talk to me in real time in our newbie.

Even knowing that you're just scum doing it to discredit me you insulting my reasons kinda pisses me off ngl

her reads make less sense.

exhausted and reads make less sense is another way of saying bland rote and emotionless from a certain point of view

No you really haven’t.

You can struggle with something but still be good at it.
Example weightlifters. They struggle with the weights but they are damn good at lifting them.

And no that isn’t the same.

I haven’t seen a single good reason to townread Skitter from you.

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That's because you're scum and don't care about my reasons outside of acting like you're engaging with me to look good for the crowd.

Quite frankly,RC, I don’t give a damn about what you say.

I do care about sorting Skitter which apparently you don’t.

So I gotta go I have an 11:30 phone call and meetings rip. Personal development on a Sunday.

Make sure Skitter says hi people and poke her. See what comes out

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@RC You were scum with me that game. Seriously just stawp.

Just waiting on Skitter or others.

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I think you think town’s are terrible if they don’t sheep you whatever you’re alignment. That’s not how this works.

I would rather lose every mafia game and enjoy them. Than deal with the negativity.

You’ve got to let go if you’re town and let things happen naturally.

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Like the town in Civilization let things happen naturally?

No. That game I was a yelling freak. I am trying to do better and communicate with people. I had flaws and I am working on fixing them.

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You voted myself and Skitter for not sheeping you on Ari who is town and are now turning around and saying that we need to let go and let things happen naturally.
You did the exact same shit that you call me out for but you're calling me out for doing it and giving yourself a medal for it.

Math you are only good as scum because you're such a negative force as town that no matter how much damage you do no one can scumread you for it.

That is a misrep. I will wait for others to come on and see my argument.

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Can you see if RC+Skitter is a viable thing? Or am I in left field?

nah youre good
i had this thought too when they started to 1v1 it looks like theatre

No. I am syncing with others and verifying my opinions to avoid tunneling. I am working with Titus and BBMolla, not my way or the highway. I just don’t agree with you.

That was before I reset my reads. Ari may or may not be scum, leaning former due to chainsaw.

But you making the game a toxic shot show whenever skitter gets voted and admitting it is just pretty much gravy.

I just gotta see how Skitter reacts to the wagon.

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But they agree there is at least 1 scum in the (math/Ari/RC) grouping.

FL is leaning Ico scum. Jingle is leaning Plum scum which I felt a lot more strongly about until Ico's voting today.

Same with math I feel, you guys keep throwing around the term townblock but aren't actually using it as intended. What you actually mean when you're saying townblock is "this is the group of players that I want to vote with me." And that's definitely not the same.

Lol Ico is not scum.

I will die 100 times to save Ico. The only way Ico is scum is a preplanned gambit with RC due to reasons and I find that super low. I am talking with BBMolla he’s catching up give me a few minutes.

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I don’t want empathy. I want cooperation and discussion.

I only want to see Skitter’s responses if she seems town then compromising on RC or Ari I would be willing to compromise on RC, it’s just BBMolla thinks RC is town and Ari is buddying RC and the Ari random vote of me is really telling. My hoodmates are rather tunnelly and I am trying not to be that. BBMolla is also willing to lynch RC to get him to stop posting.

So I would rather see if the Skitter+RC theory has fruit and get what discussion is possible before compromising.

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Can you please talk about why you townread Skitter?

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What do you get out of flipping Skitter that you wouldn't out of RC? If you think RC is probably town?

The goal isn’t a flip.

It’s an investigation into Skitter+RC.

If Skitter is scummy and doesn’t respond to the arguments and the admitted trigger from RC that he turns the game toxic once anyone votes Skitter then that’s weird.

Mainly if Skitter is town we also see different wagon data off of it.

The goal isn’t a flip. It’s to see if I am right and if I am then go forward and if not scum followed me on and we can find who.

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The idea is to bring discussion back.

Wagoning a low content mid level active like Ari or a low content is something that doesn’t provide data.

Even in the best case scenario I am an idiot and shos/Plum is scum there’s nothing to action and we are still in day one in day three.

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I had a negative result and don't think there is any gain from sharing it.
Think that there's a reasonably high probability that scum simply elected not to kill to make sure I couldn't get a guilty before I was lynched today.
(and before someone says that would add credence to my claim, no not really because someone who scumreads me is going to point that out and say it's scum me trying to spew town)

Can someone summarize which claims have been out already?

RC detective claimed d1.
RC 1v1’d TW who flipped town.
RC said they checked Teacher N1 and negative result
N1 no one died.
I have a theory I was the intended NK.
There seem to be posts to support that that I shouldn’t cite for obvious reasons.

That’s it for hard claims.

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So it's a thought experiment to explain RCs behavior around Skitter. Not around skitters play specifically. I'm still not following because RC could certainly take this line with Skitter being either alignment.

I really hate that I'm being forced to return to thread because it's devolving and not progressing.

It’s RC’s actions that prompted me to think RC+Skitter. Namely RC got toxic anytime Skitter scum was mentioned. So by having Skitter post and if she seems townie then it’s a matter of finding what scum!RC would gain or what town!RC gains by doing so.

What I don’t follow is TW votes Skitter RC 1v1s and turns the thread toxic.
Repeat with me and Ari actually votes me.

We disagreed civilly on where to vote before then. It’s only when I voted Skitter he got bad.

That vote pattern needs more focus as to why.

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Not to mention that spreading the amount of wagons occurring is extremely antitown because now instead of the data being TW/RC/Ari wagon centric and which wagons were counterwagons within those three specifically, now we have plum wagons and Skitter wagons rivalling RC and Ari wagons and it's adding confusion not taking that element away.

This is a bad wagon for so many reasons.

I agree that RC and Ari need more focus. That Avenue was stalled. So rather than tunnel I experimented and started hunting if I was wrong.

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The main reason I'm not pursuing RC now is that I felt he was lining myself and Skitter up to be pushed today and tomorrow. Now I've got to side with RC to make sure you guys aren't lynching town.

And if you don't even intend to lynch Skitter then there is no point in voting there.

That’s the thing. I don’t know.

RC+Skitter is a weird phenomenon.

Multiple people see it not just me.

There’s a lot of possibilities and I can’t hunt because anytime I do RC spams or changes the subject.

This skitter wagon is a huge help to see if Skitter is scum or not.

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Why do you townread Skitter RCE? I can’t find your answer?

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RadiantCowbells state the thought process that makes you town read skitter so much that the slightest vote sets you on fire

RCE that is what happened. Saud noticed it as well and RC acknowledged its somewhere(can’t find it) and hasn’t corrected that interpretation.

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Why do you townread Skitter RCE? I can’t find your answer?

Still would like this answer RCE.

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As soon as TW pushes Skitter RC scumread TW
As soon as I push Skitter RC scumread me

After both times he shat up the thread.

This is a huge coincidence and if RC is scum a chainsaw

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Why do you townread Skitter RCE? I can’t find your answer?

None of Skitters play is outside of her scumrange this game. Even the spat with RC day 1 is in her scumrange but the fact it happened is town indicative. Her frustration with the gamestate was townie and even though it's how I was feeling at the time I think she was the first to express it. It would have been easier to lay low there.

In general it's easy to gauge her alignment from just genuine interest/disinterest and shes been invested in this game beyond surface level. Her analysis is able to be replicated as scum but it doesn't lead anywhere and it doesn't hold any drive behind it. Meaning you can easily pick it apart and force scum!Skitter to backtrack. None of that lines up here.

I disagree. Anyone with a best scum award is a hard read as scum. The scum game she won she was very good. Genuine doesn’t always mean town.

And I cited where it did.

You even mentioned after TW voted Skitter RC reflexively put TW as scum. This isn’t hard to see.

I want to be able to read Skitter for myself. And if I see it I will back off.

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I've never called Scum!Skitter town and vice versa fwiw.

Fwiw that will be taken into account when Skitter catches up.

BBMolla thinks the wagon is good whatever Skitter’s alignment (not sure) so this will tell a lot.

I still don’t understand why you townread Skitter and there’s a lot there that she’s deepwolfing. It’s been on my mind since start of day. Like with all the scummy stuff Skitter is doing, she needs to be here and explain.

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You are making me defend RC. Because of this wagon. Do you see how insane that is?!?!?

No. If RC is town then it’s protown for you to defend him.

No one should ever make the game toxic though. So if you scumread RC then there’s such a thing as right person wrong reason.

If you think RC is the better wagon make your case

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4 pages in and my notes say lynch one of plum, math, Skitter, Ari.

Tris and Teacher town. RC is townish.

Page for could have possibly caught 2 scum. I think that's purrdy good.

Interesting, who? I don’t follow.

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RC what’s your read on Skitter?

I'm not sure anymore tbh

For example starting here.

RC says the reason he townreads Skitter is the day one real-time.

But starting here he then notices some weird stuff with her play day two.

If he’s really sure she’s town from day one, why the unsure on D2?
If he’s not sure on day two why use that as why he townreads Skitter enough to vote me because I voted her?

He also gave some good questions to Skitter there during that convo.

There is some weird interaction between RC and Skitter.

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Hold that thought while I check some of the vote counts.

*held*

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Skitter you literally told Math that you weren't considering Ari because I was confscum and Ari wasn't my buddy then in your NEXT POST you talked about how my defeatism pointed to me being town.

@RCE

An example from RC.

I am trying to use other people pointing out her scumminess rather than myself because sometimes I am piss poor at it.

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I have an entire long post where I explain my skitter read that I was explaining to her, you should look at that instead of making assumptions that don't make sense.

Which post do you mean? I am reading but most of your posts are spam/contradictory so it’s hard to remember which of the literally thousands.

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Oh, it didn't really turn up what I thought it would. Plum flipping scum would give me fairly good reason to call Ari town and cements Skitter town. That's about it.

How so?

Plum/Shos is inactive.

They aren’t doing anything. What gives you an idea of any sort of association, especially without a wagon?

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yo i'm around
i've been kinda reading along today

this wagon on me is fairly ridiculous, and i find it quite suspect how it sprung practically out of nowhere

math i need you to articulate in your own words why you think i'm scummy here

also if there's anything in particular that people want me to address since i was here last please requote it, tyty

I am trying to make some food and mobile posting.

The jist is your RC+Yourself interactions were bad and a couple of things pinged me as a potential deep wolf.

Probably would start from about where I posted you.

I am doing about three things at once and can’t post for about thirty minutes

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Skitter was assuming we would fail rather than pass or fail and just don’t know.

That makes her likely scum.

dude, you realize i know how to play this game, right?
and that i don't just randomly go 'hi it's time for massclaim !!!' when it's not the right time yet

you're also putting words in my mouth
i never said i wanted massclaim tomorrow

i said i would revisit rc and his claim tomororw, which is not at all the same thing

you somehow extrapolated that meant that:
a) i wanted massclaim tomorrow
b) that i

indiscriminately

wanted massclaim tomorrow (i.e. that i woudln't evalute like ... the four thousand other things that must be taken into account when figuring out if it's the right time for massclaim)

your'e also calling me scum for assuming that we're going to mislynch today ...
i did mess up and think that tomorrow is the day before lylo because i forgot at the moment that we were 12 instead of 11
but like i thought it was pretty apparent that i was only talking about the worst-case scenario

like even if i'm scum here the game is p obviously in flux and the lynch is not at all set, how can i know that we're mislynching today at this juncture, which is what you seem to be pushing me for ...

math did u respond to this post ?

Indirectly.

However I did not use the quote button. I mentioned how that assumption wasn’t a townie mindset. Then the convo just sorta died.

Be back in 30

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I think you know better than any of that as town.

Whoops forgot a post. Mobile quoting sucks

RC calls TW town then scum in the next post? Wtf?

@Skitter start here in catchup btw it will help

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This is going to take a bit longer than I thought.

I also have a lot of RL Monday so if I am not lynched see you Tuesday.

If I am never ever lynch Ico.

There were a lot of questions but Skitter to answer your question

You’re commiting gambler’s fallacy by referencing prior games
In this game I know he was wrong and claimed BoP for it.

So I trust my teammates and others in thread over RC who has had a shitty track record most games I have been with in him. He just frames it in a way that makes him look good later.

However I did like a lot of Skitter’s posts so going to unvote for now.

VOTE: Unvote

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Skitter I just got done taking a two hour interview.

Not sure how helpful this would be but my original thought was “Well Ari wagon is stale. What about if I am wrong?” I started to look at other people’s scum reads and recent events and overlooking the game state it sorta just came to me and had been gnawing at me for a while.

What concerns me is that going after nothing but lurkers doesn’t feel right. It’s almost always never the case that a scum team is all lurkers. Moderators are generally good about doing prods/replace outs and TM should be no exception .

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... unting_Kit

The current arguments also give a lot of tells here from this. Like Raybells sets off nearly every one of those (in before he says he is special)

It’d be a literal crap shoot as to which inactive.

It’s midnight and I have to work tomorrow but I wanted to get that down for Skitter as I have dnd tomorrow.

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See I actually agree with you that it's almost always the case that there's one "present wolf" while the other two lurk. But I don't think that there is a present wolf and if you're going to go after me because of that list of tells, idk what you expect from me. I have been looking for the deepwolf this entire phase and I've turned up bupkiss, while otoh I have a coherent reason to believe that all the inactives make sense together, so.

Nah. I actually think there is one active one mid tier and one lurker. This doesn’t follow the pattern of scum are all inactive. I’ve replaced into a lot of scum inactive games. There’s a cadence to them that I don’t know how to explain but it’s there.

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'I'm RC i'm the greatest scumhunter to ever walk the earth, if we lynch all the inactive slots we win the game'

how does that even make sense

I mean

what if all the inactive slots are scum?

Then replacement rules kick in.

The problem solves itself.

The slot(s) will be replaced and provide content or at the very worst modkilled. The only inactive is really the Plum/Shos slot. You’re just hyper posting.

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Oh? Are you saying duck actually had reasons to scumread you now? That's not how you felt IIRC

I thought RC called Ducky’s push a PL?

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I mean, it's a really fucking stupid reason to scumread me.

Why is rewriting the history to suit your purpose (town or scum) a bad reason to scumread you?

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VOTE: RC

Okay then have it your way.

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No actually, like even a cop inno on MathBlade doesn't change the fact that the only path to victory in this game is to remove them from play because they're systematically destroying town's ability to lynch scum.

You miswrote RadiantCowbells

Agreed. If RC flips town I will limit myself to geriatric rules unless directly asked a question.

We need to lower the post count.

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I mean, you're the only active scum contender so.

You have paid lip service to being willing to vote Plum/Shos repeatedly but you have never done so and have voted several different counterwagons.

No there’s a lot. You just refuse to let anyone hunt them.

You flipped your shit when I tried to hunt Skitter. (Whom I now townread btw)

Hunting should be encouraged. Not drowned out.

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Like everyone in this game knows that Plum/Shos is scum at this point and you're still trying to lynch me because...?

No there’s a lot. You just refuse to let anyone hunt them.

You flipped your shit when I tried to hunt Skitter. (Whom I now townread btw)

Hunting should be encouraged. Not drowned out.

I discourage dumb people from putting the thread in a direction that has a 21% winrate.

Assuming that’s true (it’s not especially if you include my other site) it’s a fallacy known as Gambler’s Fallacy.

It’s when you take prior occurances and then somehow apply them to a distinctly different event.

The reason that it gets its name is from slots or cards, where a gambler thinks they are “due” a win.

Or the slot machine is “lucky”.

The prior games and this are distinct events.

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Like it's insane how impossible it is to get a Shos lynch when he's actively avoiding the thread and all his pop ins have been terrible.
How do you create a 21% winrate player? Have them perpetually push counterwagons to scum and never push scum.

This game has just been something else from the get go.

Like it’s insane how impossible it is to get an Ari lynch when his posting has all been terrible and his only push has been on town.

This game has just been something else from the get go with you demanding we worship your win rate. I worship the fun rate.

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Assuming that’s true (it’s not especially if you include my other site) it’s a fallacy known as Gambler’s Fallacy.

It’s when you take prior occurances and then somehow apply them to a distinctly different event.

The reason that it gets its name is from slots or cards, where a gambler thinks they are “due” a win.

Or the slot machine is “lucky”.

The prior games and this are distinct events.

No, they're actually not. The quality of your play is not random chance. The quality of your play is determined by actions.
People's frequencies of correctly catching scum are actually generally pretty consistent.

Then I have a 80+% chance of catching scum because on ToL I had an 80+% win rate.

See? No relevance. Even if you’re right.

It’s not apples to apples there’s a lot of moving parts.

And why are you so focused on shading my quality instead of the points:
>> You’re spamming the thread making it unbearable
>> Mathematically too many townreads. There cannot be one scum in a normal.
>> Anytime anyone does anything you disagree with you explode making it impossible to coordinate.

I have work and am going to bed.

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Can we just wagon shos already ???
I've been trying for like five irl days but we keep getting distracted with all of this bickering and i'm baffled that i keep pushing it and literally nobody townreads him but that i cant get this above like three votes

Like my wagon happened easier than this one ....

Also i no longer tr math but i want to push somewhelse else rn that isnt me/math/rc/ari because how else are we going to make the quiet people do things, as i've also been saying for like 5 irl days

@math @ ico
Can you two articulare why you either :
A) townread shos
B) dont want to wagon him

Because as far as i'm aware you've done neither but keep sidestepping this wagon each time i've tried to revive it

Pretty sure I’ve been on record several times why I don’t want to wagon Shos.

Wagoning an inactive player doesn’t teach us anything.
Very rarely does it actually get the person to show up sooner than they could if not wagoned.
It’s literally unreadable garbage.

Anyone on this wagon their vote I can write a case for being town or scum regardless of what shos flips.

Eg Shos scum >> Skitter is town because their first on the wagon and post X is good
Shos scum >> Skitter is scum and planned to sluff off dead weight and coast

Shos town >> Skitter is town for wanting to move the game forward and starting this wagon. Scum are likely in the late joiners.
Shos town >> Skitter is scum because she vote parked.

Pretty much we learn nil from this wagon and they are a null read because that’s the fucking definition. If you haven’t posted you’re null.

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Still VLA on work break.

RC Ari Shos is current theory.

RC is being weird and pinging me with interactions with Shos. He’s being too nice where as all his other scumreads he’s yelling.

Ari is just still pinging next and my team.

Saude yes RC was mean. That doesn’t be mean back. I wish he was a nice player (in terms of tone he’s nice outside of mafia) that’s not how he plays which makes the interaction with Shos weird. Rise above.

[MathBlade]

But why??

We already had a detective claimed. Unless they thought themselves a likely invest target I see no reason not to kill, or at least attempt it!

What does being a Normal have to do with it btw? Does that change things somehow? I'm mostly in Themed games traditionally so I'm legit asking.

au contraire. a detective can spot kills even on following nights, and as such, minimizing the amount of killers is good for scum. It also makes it less tight as in, let the storm pass, and do shit when they are less likely to be spotted. It does them no harm - if there's a detective then it's more likely that town have less other PRs that can fuck them up when they nokill, while they, OTOH, may have PRs that get more info for free.

You’re not this bad.

You do better NK analysis in the game where I was SK and almost won except for a bad kill choice.

[MathBlade]

can you paraphrase all the reads your team has given you? also can you explain how you didn't make this game at all a priority until you were at L-2

I can and I literaly just said that I won't If I get under intent to hammer I will

How does this make sense at all? Why would you not give us your teams reads if you're not caught up and you're being asked for them?

It’s good for the spew if he’s scum and good for us if he’s town.

We don’t have to go a mile a minute.

[MathBlade]

Why are you so intent to hammer someone who is actually playing now?

Your argument was that they were lurking anyway.

They aren’t right now.

Admittedly the no kill post was horrible which likely links you two together.

Pedit can’t link I am at work.

I was a replace in and shot PV instead of who I was supposed to or the other way around.

It was back when the horsey avatar player who everyone liked was playing.

[MathBlade]

Second question still applies: why did you wait until you got brought to L-2/L-1 to start caring about this game? Don't you take TM a little more seriously than that if you're town?

There is a famous quote
It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.

Remaining silent while understanding the gamestate and catching up is valid especially with a game of this size

[MathBlade]

Why are you so intent to hammer someone who is actually playing now?

Your argument was that they were lurking anyway.

They aren’t right now.

Admittedly the no kill post was horrible which likely links you two together.

Pedit can’t link I am at work.

I was a replace in and shot PV instead of who I was supposed to or the other way around.

It was back when the horsey avatar player who everyone liked was playing.

are the first setences directed at me..?
@pedit - still no idea what you're talking about. no reason not to wait for you tho

Second question still applies: why did you wait until you got brought to L-2/L-1 to start caring about this game? Don't you take TM a little more seriously than that if you're town?

Like it's hard not to see that as a deliberate lurking strategy.

assuming this is to me because I've been lurking (?)
...this is hilarious to me - do you know me as a scum lurker? How bout the gazillion pages in the game as a reason for taking my time? XD I replaced into TM and still have no idea what's going on, but if you insist..

Spoiler: unrelated to game

sundays are long for me - wake up after a weekend, go to work 7AM, straight from work to my pops (he is disabled and this is the day off of his christian supporter so I get him out of bed etc etc) and then straight to kung fu practice, where I'm senior so I'm like a semi-coach. Yesterday we had some serious fighting and only got out of there in like 11:20 PM, so you get home by midnight, shower and eat, and then get small glimpses of mafiascum and some risk-games I'm playing, go to bed and monday 7AM again....

So I've just not had the time. Now, too, it's 2:20 AM here (israel) so really you can't complain about me lurking, lol

No they are at RC for pushing you while you’re posting and not giving you a chance to say stuffs.

Pretty sure it’s RC+shos maybe Ari maybe not that’s more bbmollas read.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Iconeum

Serious vote first time

I was looking at how comes I got to L-1 without even knowing what the playerlist was and barely posting anything and I saw that Iconeum made a somewhat weakish case on Flopz right

before

he voted me 'to help pressure'.
1. When you vote for pressure, you don't say it is for pressure, otherwise it sorta loses its point.
2. You literally made a case on someone else just a second before. That clearly shows that the vote is heartless;
these lead me to think that this was an opportunity for him to join a wagon. Which leads to the question - is the case he wrote a real case? And the answer seems to be in the ISO - kinda looks like he wanted to appear as doing something so he picked the smallest-amount-of-posts ISO and created an almost-post-by-post to manufacture a case.

I have no qualms about this wagon now lol.

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Why do you keep pushing me as scum with everyone I push? Do you think I just literally do not stop bussing?

~Reasons.~ But mainly yes.

I think you’re scum and without a scum lynch today you’re fucked tomorrow which is probably why you campaigned on inactives. Shos is the slot you could lose.

The alternative is Shos is town and then
Either a) You’re town and pretty much policied at this point as you’ve failed BoP twice then and don’t let anyone else get a word in edgewise
Or b) you’re scum and this toxicity is strategy.

[MathBlade]

ugh missed Math's post

is RC pushing me? I never noticed. he's questioned me alright, that's about it


OMFG STOP PEDITING I WANNA GO TO SLEEP

Been pushing your slot all day pretty much.

Gets pissy if anyone does anything else

[MathBlade]

Been pushing your slot all day pretty much.

This is an incredible misrepresentation of my ISO: You previously called me scum for having pushed too many people. Why am I suddenly only pushing one person?

I gotta go you’re not scum for targeting only one person

You’re scum for making it impossible for anyone to disagree with you without 1000s of posts of yelling and how great thou art.

It’s not the amount it’s the how and why.

[MathBlade]

i'm literally only bringing it up in the context of your general site activity. you posted here once that did nothing and then posted a bunch elsewhere. this repeated multiple times.

I mean, I don't think this is always AI and I've been lynched for it as town before.

Pretty sure it’s RC+shos maybe Ari maybe not that’s more bbmollas read.

This actually explains it a bit XD

1) That’s NAI like Ari said. Just means he looks into them more or enjoys them more.
2) It’s an oog reference knock it off.

[MathBlade]

It's literally one of the most famous tells used by Ellibereth who had an over 80% town winrate and was voted paragon two years ago. It's not a nothing tell. You're just bad.

It’s NAI because it’s an OOG reference which is illegal on MS.

Call me bad if you want I won’t cheat.

It’s NAI and always will be.

[MathBlade]

Also I wasn't offering to hammer you, I lost a vote on you somewhere.

truly I don't think I was even aware you were in the game until I read the team PT. *that* is how hard it is to replace in here >_>

@shos

Assume you’re town for a moment,

Why do you/your team think RC is town despite BoP would have been proven wrong twice from BoP.

RC has said several times he is willing to be BoP.

Is your team ignoring this?

[MathBlade]

I enjoyed hitos reads and approach in their game. But his reads aren't good here.

Something is off here.

I wanna see shos’s response to my question before hammer.

[MathBlade]

Sry I meant part 4
oh this is less. Hmm thought: It is very possible that scum tried to kill RC and he was protected. he did claim detective, ya know

hito thinks that such volumes are usually TvT with scums enjoying the show
Everyone agrees flopz entry to the game sucked ass butt and heels

LOL plum was annoyed that sometimes the game gets more than FOUR pages while he sleeps. hilarious, I replaced in and overnight got like 30 pages xD although it does appear plum wasted hours of sleep on this game technically that also reduces the amount of posts while she slept......

kay that's it.


In general, our team agrees much on RCE being scum, xtomx being scummy or shitty or whatever, RC being town. I currently couldn't develop a good read of Ari who hito scumreads. Flopz is also being scumread but honestly I don't remember that name at all? perhaps replaced out? Bella is scumread as well. Those will be the folks I'll be focusing on for the while along with my own ICO read which my team disagrees with me on. INTERACT WITH ME PEOPLZ

I have a VERY strong hunch this did not happen.

And I am not elaborating.

What if scum killed me?

I would ask you to consider that *strongly*

[MathBlade]

MathBlade why would you declare intent to hammer on a person that has RC and skitter on their wagon
iirc you voted.. them both(?)

I am not.

Before someone hammers I want that answer.

I myself do not have intent.

[MathBlade]

I hard disagree? Like, it shocked me to see saud had 150ish posts but all that's in my head when I think of them is that clown music? Da da dadada da da dada... Like, point me to some actual stances of theirs?

I get what you are saying about own content tho.

'bc rc' is also like, not a good reason for anything..

Also, @shos, what was '
Why wouldn't bella vote ari? that makes no sense' specifically referring to?

I don't know what bop means

Burden of Proficiency RC is good therefore leading wagons on two town players would make him more than likely scum. If shos is town he should be BoP’d because he’s said he is good and then shut down anything else.

[MathBlade]

Also I wasn't offering to hammer you, I lost a vote on you somewhere.

truly I don't think I was even aware you were in the game until I read the team PT. *that* is how hard it is to replace in here >_>

@shos

Assume you’re town for a moment,

Why do you/your team think RC is town despite BoP would have been proven wrong twice from BoP.

RC has said several times he is willing to be BoP.

Is your team ignoring this?

Requoting so this doesn’t get lost

[MathBlade]

Why are you so Keen to force an interaction here?

I am trying to see how shos and his teammates are gathering/faking reads.

A majority of them have played with RC and believe in BoP.

So I want to see why they are calling RC town and ignoring BoP and what reasons or if they decide it does apply how their reads change.

[MathBlade]

I am unable to lynch Mathblade so I am assuming he is town.
RCE is a locktownread of Skitter30 and I am assuming she is right

None of my core townreads are wrong; if Shos is town the game was lost off of the back of the other townies' reads not mine.

Why are you making excuses for Shos being town if you’re so sure as to cut off all discussion in a toxic quagmire?

[MathBlade]

Also I wasn't offering to hammer you, I lost a vote on you somewhere.

truly I don't think I was even aware you were in the game until I read the team PT. *that* is how hard it is to replace in here >_>

@shos

Assume you’re town for a moment,

Why do you/your team think RC is town despite BoP would have been proven wrong twice from BoP.

RC has said several times he is willing to be BoP.

Is your team ignoring this?

Requoting so this doesn’t get lost

Requote again.

[MathBlade]

I never once asked to be BoPed on Plums flip.

You did on day one.

You said if you lynched two townies bop you.

Can’t search I am at work but if Shos flips town I am BoPing your butt til you flip.

[MathBlade]

Ok

VOTE: Mathblade

BoP me on this

Already am. Look at the VC.

I want Shos’s answer. It will help know about the gamestate imho. It will provide a lot.

[MathBlade]

In fact I've literally done the opposite

You can call me scum for shifting the responsibility to Skitter but I was open about the fact that I have no intentions of voting anyone besides who Skitter is voting

Interesting.

Pretty sure Skitter isn’t voting me.

Why would me mindfucking a scum or one question be so bad RC?

[MathBlade]

If anything it was going to possibly prove your point Shos is scum.

I wonder why you reacted so oddly.

[MathBlade]

At this point I literally don't care about anything besides not having to be in a mafia game with you and I think you're scum anyway.

So investigating who you want and doing as you ask means you don’t want me in the game?

You have some messed up ideas.

*chuckle*

Break is over someone make sure shos answers that.

[MathBlade]

I would say if I screamed all day person X was scum and then suddenly changed my mind I would take responsibility for my posts and then review based on what happened over the day. And based on what you present tomorrow with results or what not. It depends.

Simple answer? No.

I don't care what my reads were, I care what they are at EoD.

This is how I play and you can track it over a billion town games and I don't even have the ability to effectively fake these types of reversals as scum.

I get your reads change but dont act like it's ridiculous for other people to still want ari to proxy sort you given how the you/tw/ari thing went down

In my humble opinion

The idea of proxy sorting me is ridiculous because you should already see that I'm town.

But if you're gonna proxy sort me, it should be off of someone that I think is actually going to flip scum at the end of day.

I don't think contrary to what you're saying that under any circumstances any other player would be held to the insane burden of proficiency standard of "you must have not have had a wrong scumread in the past" when you just played a game where I went from bad reads to good reads to lockguilty on scum.

The truth is Ari I just thought there's no way that Duck would do this in that situation as scum unless Ari was his buddy but NSG had a good comparison to a previous game where Duck deliberately made me think the wrong person was his partner and basically said "ok like if you want a BOP scumread it should be on your actual scumread not the person you think is associated"

It’s a simple question. That’s all. Why did that make you push me?

[MathBlade]

damn he posted nvm
good night!

Who do you think is scum? (Besides RC obviously)
Who are you townreading?

[MathBlade]

i'm getting a little nervous by the broad popular support of the shos thing
like once i posted yesterday all of a sudden like 6/7 people indicated interest and it got to l-1 p fast, with multiple giving l-1 and/or stating an intent

I would suggest catching up entirely.

RC did his whole back off the wagon soon as I asked a question bit of shos.

I would like your opinion on that.

I realize shos has not answered the question I want your opinion of RC’s reaction to me asking it.

[MathBlade]

I didn’t realize skitter was RadiantCowbells! How intriguing! I still want skitter 1.0’s opinion.

[MathBlade]

sigh

i'm kinda at the point where reading you two bicker is just making me want to nope tf out of the thread

I am not bickering with RC I am trying to sort shos and if he is scum who with.

His reads look wrong and so I was looking to see how you took that specifically.

Do you think Shos is town? If so who do you think is the major contributor to the wagon town or scum?

If Shos is town then is RC also town? If so who do you think scum could be?

I don’t know how you see the gamestate and I would like to know.

[MathBlade]

yes it would but my point is that saudade's actions make sense as scum either with or without shos. if shos is town sau can still reasonably expect 1/2 of me or shos to be the lynch today.
and now he's laying the groundwork for the push on me and etc.

i feel like in my current position i don't have enough towncred or ~respect~ to lead a wagon and so i'm essentially just required to trust you to lead on scum because if you don't you get nightkilled, i just get lynched tomorrow and town just flat out loses.

i just want you to take the possibility of wagoning sau and/or mathblade over shos seriously. noting that again i've barely tried to read shos's team stuff and this is more a big picture thing

Then the reason you aren’t voting saud is because....?

I get the feeling you’re voting me because you don’t like the questions I am asking here RC. I was sorting some cognitive dissonance I saw in the team’s reads posted by Shos.

Getting Shos to talk about more slots if scum is good for spew. If Shos is town it’s good for future reads.

It also helps to sort Raybells too. What do you make of him saying if Shos flips town it would be your fault?

[MathBlade]

i still think shos is scum
if he flips scum i think that a good place to start looking for partners is in {saudade, math, ico}. also teacher, i think

if he flips town my view of the gamestate is very very very wrong and i will need to start rebulding my understanding of the game kinda from scratch; i would be looking at rc in that universe, tho i think, yes

Elaboration on why you’d look at that grouping would be appreciated.

[MathBlade]

Shade? I'm pointing out that everyone's been assuming you were a protective with an inno on Mathblade when that's not true and it was the main reason to townread both of you.

This one. It shows a true attempt to game out various possibilities and understand the subtext of the resistance you were getting from a town POV.

I’m still grading and binging suits, but will get on latter. @skit - I wanted to reread the ketchup, it was difficult to parse but seemed oddly tilted towards weird times to read into and designed to give the lamisty flavor of an entirely new take, but one that wouldn’t find support when read against plums real-time posting (something I hav not done but mean to). Overall, it didn’t buy a ticket out of my Lynch pool but it did but some time for reflection whenever I do sit at a comp.

What do you make of RC outing a protective theory?

And then now going back on it?

I find that odd town!RC would ever out such a theory?

[MathBlade]

You’ve essentially outed a protective theory, ya?

No? I have said I have had a hunch I was protected but never said whom.

What motivation would townRC have for outing who?

Granted my subtlety may need work but I never said who.

[MathBlade]

it's hard for me to not think of skitter as the same skitter who hard derailed alchemist21 and implo wagons and wouldn't vote laserguy for most of the game in sneks mafia.

What motivation would townRC have for outing who?

for outing the fact that a person clearly

did not

protect you and therefore has no outed claim, I am somehow more scummy than I was before. That is what you're implying?

Uhm Ico said they were a protective? I do not follow.

I am still operating under said theory. Where was this “disproven”?

[MathBlade]

for outing the fact that a person clearly did not protect you and therefore has no outed claim, I am somehow more scummy than I was before. That is what you're implying?

i'm so confused by this conversation

RC outed earlier that I suspect Ico as the one who saved me last night.

I don’t see the town motivation in that.

[MathBlade]

Shade? I'm pointing out that everyone's been assuming you were a protective with an inno on Mathblade when that's not true and it was the main reason to townread both of you.

@Skitter the prior post is Ico’s for context

[MathBlade]

@Skitter just a sec and I will grab it for you since it’s out in the wild now

[MathBlade]

I am dealing with Car Stuff

I know everyone is likely pissed at RC but please don’t turbo lynch him while I am getting my car. Thanks!

Whoever is a doc/jailkeep/etc thanks for saving someone. You probably have a guilty or inno.

Back later peoples.

Gut says Ari+Plum+Deep wolf like maybe skitter?

I have thoughts on skitter that I want to fully write out
Remind me that I do, if I don't. Or something

Hey Ari you had two nights to catch up. Reads or die.

Uh, I read almost everyone's Isos and was heavily active upon my return to the thread. What gives you the impression I need to/plan to read the parts of the thread where you played ref to RC and TW bickering on while trying to lynch me?

Also, RC, I told you Ducks was town!
I sooooo want to turbolynch your ass atm but I still townread you so Im going to refrain.

'I want to lynch you so hard right now, but I townread you'. My dude. Are you just scum here?

"Objectively didn't suck"
...

VOTE: tw

Quack

How exactly did this save his iso? XD

Like wtf Bella

This isn't wrong lol

I do not think that reading people off of the TW votes is a good idea unless you think that scum were trying to keep Aristophanes alive.
Also someone mentioned this so I'll bring it up: the reason I targeted Teacher was that I thought that he was likely to make the kill if he was scum whereas most other targets were crapshoots.

um there is almost for sure scum on that wagon irregardless of your alignment

if you're scum, well, it's you
if you're town scum took advantage of that shitshow to get a mislynch. i would be shocked if there weren't scum on that wagon in this scenario
i think that looking at the wagon is a great place to look for scum rn

I agree with this. Scum are pretty much guaranteed on this wagon. There's a couple really disgusting votes on it, including Flopz IIRC.

i think i'm the nk most times last night

What?

i think i'm the nk most times last night

Funny I was thinking I would be. Interesting.

Assume Plum + Ari and not RC? Who’s third? Any thoughts?

I think Math is more likely to be saved then skitter. If anything, Math was pretty much Uni-townread by the end of D1?
SubOptimal Math thinks that RC could be scum here.

We should 100% vote who RC did not want us to vote yesterday and the fact a majority of town scumreads Ari is a bonus.


We should 100% vote who RC did not want us to vote yesterday and the fact a majority of town scumreads Ari is a bonus.

dude.

i led the original ari wagon

i literally had him at l-1 then got scared bc nsg wasn't sure he was scum

You mean the Ari wagon that you derailed before it got to a claim/lynch? That wagon?
RC, give me 1 solid reason not to go ham on your ass and follow thru on duck's last quack here.

@skitter here is one

[MathBlade]

what? I think i've been more then supportive of your slot in this game lol

I do disagree with your scumread on RC.

And I think Plum is the go-to wagon for scum currently

@Skitter another

There’s also a time where I signal back hard later.

And where I would die for Ico.

That’s why.

[MathBlade]

Ok but it's no longer relevant because Ico has clearly expressed that he doesn't have an inno on you

and you're not considering Saud at all?

I find that rather odd? A claimed protective doesn’t have an inno when there are no deaths? Like what? I am trying to figure out what you’re smokin because I want some. The convoluted logic that resides there I do not follow.

Pedit considering I have quite a few others more likely to be scum not really.

@teacher The scum motivation is to break up two people who townread each other and are town, an excuse for why scum!RC lives until D3 despite being a PR, role fishing

That’s just for starters.

[MathBlade]

i think he's kinda easy to read when he gets into a semi-serious phase and i kinda don't want to dismantle the shos wagon and i sr math more

but part of the math read was kinda like ~teamreading him with ico~ but if he thought ico protected him and thought ico was signaling him to that effect that probably explains some of the weirdness there
and that would be a weird thing to do as partners, i think

i'm a little scared that if i unvote shos we'll have let him get off for the team catchup thing and that rebuilding that will be devilishly hard
like i'm not sure how it just kinda collapsed ?

Because I asked a question then RC flipped his shit and voted me for asking a question. Like RC has said all day that Plum/Shos was a scumread.

Then I point out his BoP comment then he’s all “I was just sheeping Skitter”.

People ran from it.

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE:

Actually that was exuberance. But I do think I’ve finally caught a scum. I will do the reading I’ve promised later tonight and vote if I’m still feeling this solve.

What solve are you referring to?

[MathBlade]

That youre scum. It makes some sense with vcas, pairings I’ve kept in my head, and game events. But I want to do it rationally, not on adrenaline that I’ve got rn.

As I have said before make the case and who am I scum with?

You’re obviously wrong but the whole seemingly naked sheeping of RC and buzzwords is suspicious AF.

If I get mislynched look at active posters right about now in RC/Skitter/Teacher.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: skitter

Really tempted to just go after RC who is now trying to openwolf imo by going after the townblock as you say

It’s tempting but if RC is scum his end goal is to be lynched today so we need to extract as much out of the day if we decide RC is scum.

Plus there’s this whole if RC is scum either he’s trying to throw shade on a protective or create one where none exists to deep wolf with the “no kill” theory. Would be nice to sort which. Do you follow Ico?

Me signaling back to Ico here.

@teacher — My biggest handwave back to Ico. There were smaller ones.

[MathBlade]

And I agree, you and RC are never TvT.

Would you also be interested in knowing I already crumbed what I am? So it’s no real loss off my back if I go first but we really oughta listen to Ducky here.

[MathBlade]

F it. I’m going to a computer now.

Pedit: ya, trust me I saw them. And Icos to you. It’s why I said you were never the Lynch. But greater insight into the waves yields greater understanding.

I’d love to see what you have to say.

[MathBlade]

You do you. I have to stack my theories a little bit, but for now pure maths and Vcs say you are the likelier scum of the two, even I doubted RCs play more.

That’s why I want to see it.

Because I respectfully disagree.

If it convinces people and I end up mislynched, more likely than not it will have to be majority scum with the feelers I have out and the people that townread me and I them back.

I welcome the pressure. I just want it to be with content and responses, not naked.

Because I have a theory the inactives were majority if not all town and blah about the game because of RC’s hyperposting. That’s why one active (RC) one mid level (Skitter or you) and one mid/low makes the most sense.

Yes Ari you’re in my null camp and I have asked BB Molla and Titus to reassess.

[MathBlade]

And I agree, you and RC are never TvT.

Would you also be interested in knowing I already crumbed what I am? So it’s no real loss off my back if I go first but we really oughta listen to Ducky here.

I am very interested, but I also dont want to out roles. Lets assume you have one that gets some kind of a result. Did you get one?

Hypothetically, if I am a role with a result I did. If my role doesn’t get a result I didn’t. If my role did get a result based on my voting pattern it will be clear why today has been frustrating.

And if I didn’t then today is just regular level frustrating.

[MathBlade]

That’s why one active (RC) one mid level (Skitter or you) and one mid/low

I agree with this theory, in terms of posting/teams.

OK, since everyone has outed the theory of Ico being protective, I'll acknowledge thats part of it.
Now, add RC's catch about Ico not having a clear on you. Because that is clearly what Ico said.
Add them up. Thats the maths part.

I am going to reread that section again because maybe I missed something here

[MathBlade]

How can a protective not have a clear when there is no death (and everybody but RC agrees a kill was surpassingly likely to be attempted).

Oh jailkeeper lol

Good thing I am VT.

Mentioned I was a plain boy a while back lol.

Wow I am dense.

XD

Excuse me while I go find me some facepalms

[MathBlade]

Ari are you legitimately telling us that ND and Auto don't have a list of their reads for you to start from?

I mean, they gave me a lot of quotes they wanted shared at you in particular, but no, I didn't request any reads or "starting posts" from them so none were provided, though they did offer.

So you’re scum.

You said you’re incapable of playing the game due to time restraints.
Yet you don’t ask your buddies to help with reads.

Did you think you’d be able to suck up reads via casting a spell?

I am a pretty plain guy and my guess is you don’t have any level 9 wish spells in your repitoire.

Explain to me how this is a town position and you’re not scum.

Rip

I am so dumb. I was just so happy and thought I was on the right track and stuff.

Fml.

Like I am almost never the kill. Like all the townreads + no death.

Now I feel like a deflated whoopie cushion.

[MathBlade]

well, i've been focusing on you so far, but I have developed some reads on others. It's not like i can sort everyone in the first couple hours of the game.

Again. That didn’t answer the question. Let’s try a new approach. What reads have you developed?

I don’t think anyone has solved the game yet and solving it this early would be ludicrous.

They can fuckin take my ice cream if anyone has solved it this early.

My other crumb.

Vanilla is an ice cream flavor.

*sigh* today is not my day.

Can we clone Ico to save Ico?

Pedit yeah I understand now.

I humbly apologize for being an idiot.

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Now you see RC's town motivation in outing the catch? Because everyone was playing around it like it was a clear (because the crumbs were pretty f'ing loaves), when it wasnt, and it helped town to have better knowledge.

Now, youre slightly more likely to be a kept killer, than killee. But against that, I have to weigh the fact that you were a uni-town read (whom it made sense to keep), and RC is alive as an unprotected claimed detective when he is known as a fearsome townplayer even without the PR (but, of course, scum could have expected him to be auto-lynched today). So Im at the point where its unlikely both you and RC are TvT, and I find his solve efforts more impressive, tbh. I just have to check if they are motivated to get rid of the person that could be conf!town D3/D4.

Not really. While it wasn’t a lock the time to mention it was D3 if Ico wasn’t shot.

Mainly I think it does more damage than harm but that’s not a black and white it’s more a reaaaaaally dark grey where I disagree but it’s not so black as conf!scum

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Now you see RC's town motivation in outing the catch? Because everyone was playing around it like it was a clear (because the crumbs were pretty f'ing loaves), when it wasnt, and it helped town to have better knowledge.

Now, youre slightly more likely to be a kept killer, than killee. But against that, I have to weigh the fact that you were a uni-town read (whom it made sense to keep), and RC is alive as an unprotected claimed detective when he is known as a fearsome townplayer even without the PR (but, of course, scum could have expected him to be auto-lynched today). So Im at the point where its unlikely both you and RC are TvT, and I find his solve efforts more impressive, tbh. I just have to check if they are motivated to get rid of the person that could be conf!town D3/D4.

If my solve efforts are impressive I am probably scum lol.

I suck at communicating reads in a clear way.

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It got oddly silent now.

I know that’s weird.

I expected RC to at least go “ha ha” told you Math was an idiot. :/

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Considering both Rc and maths assumed they were the night kill, I think assuming a jk makes more sense than like a doc?

RC assumed no kill and had a result.

What would help to resolve this I am not sure if it is antitown or protown to ask.

I assumed I was the intended NK and it was me and Ico in crumb I believe confirmed (cited my reason earlier)

Hence I really wanted RC and Ari.

I still really do but mainly I think RC is more likely than Ari atm and I hope BB Molla and Titus agree with me rather than keep screaming lynch Ari.

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Well claimed to have a result*

Which if RC is scum teacher is probably town because of that unless he’s doing expert level wine here

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The main problem is for it to be an inno Ico has to claim what he is.

And I don’t know if that will hurt or help.

Because if he is a doctor/not jailkeep then I am inno but then what next?

Will RC make the thread hell?

Is me being inno worth the risk of scum knowing what they can and can’t fake claim their actions to be? Or how to get around it?

Like that’s what’s running through my head and all options suck.

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What sucks is the mechanically right play if I am inno is Ari but I am not feeling it even though BB and Titus are last we spoke.

My brain feels like word vomit

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I am stuck in a mechanical loop that RC/Skitter/Ari has two but not three scum in it.

@Bella who are your scumreads atm?

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I am stuck in a mechanical loop that RC/Skitter/Ari has two but not three scum in it.

@Bella who are your scumreads atm?

Not based on mechanics it’s a phrase for clarity

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Im doing my Ari read through, since Im hitting a wall in Math/RC right now and a bit braindead. I came across a kinda weird stance in RCE's posting.

Correct me if Im wrong, but hes dead set on RC's lynch today (3748, 5022)

He's dead set that if RC is scum, Im his partner. (1724, 1732, 3750, 3774)

And he reads me as town (910, 1732, 4603)

Because that adds up to terrible positioning and logic?

Can you repost that with tags please like? I am on mobile and it’s hard af to search and find posts.1000

And it depends. Sometimes people consider multiple worlds or he overall townreads you but if RC is scum your stock goes down. The context of the posts helps.

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I thought rcs result was just that teacher didn't kill, not that teacher wasn't scum?

In order to get a result you have to not be jailkept.

RC got a result therefore could not be jailkept.

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That’s also why it’s wine.

If RC is scum scum usually (but not always) don’t claim checks on partners.

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Brb I need some time to handle some stuff and look at those posts in depth.

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I want more organic content from shos. I'm back to being unsure on rce. I can't work out why saud/tris us getting a pass. Tom still isn't town

If some/all of these are somehow town then it's rc and Ari!

Math, I'm right about what rcs result means if true? I hate mechanic

P-edit, thanks teacher

If RC’s result is true it likely means nothing.

I would need to look up if submitting a kill is a guilty on a detective check or completing it is.
If it is the former then it would mean it’s more likely that teacher is town. It just means he hasn’t submitted a kill.

If it’s the latter it doesn’t give any info but does let us into RC’s brain a bit

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I'm also waiting for shos to talk about rxe and Ari to talk about Saud.

Generally, finding or thinking about teams without a flip isnr something I'm good at

Well who is your top scumread?

Top townread?

Just word vomit. We could use more content from your slot.

You can’t do worse than me who forgot jailkeeps are a role in mafia.

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I want more organic content from shos. I'm back to being unsure on rce. I can't work out why saud/tris us getting a pass. Tom still isn't town

If some/all of these are somehow town then it's rc and Ari!

Math, I'm right about what rcs result means if true? I hate mechanic

P-edit, thanks teacher

This post feels disgusting...

{RC/Skitter/Bella/Ari} scum pool?

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{RC/Skitter/Bella/Ari} scum pool?

w/r/t the first three, you really think associatives between players of that caliber are that obvious?

Well sort of.

Mainly it’s based on Skitter shading me and not voting me.
RC randomly voting me for asking a question about BoP to shos to see if their reads were fake and if my burden of proficiency was too high. Shos is a really good town player.
RC also moved the wagon off of Ari on day one and drowned out attempts to start with a Plum push.
Then there’s just the day one weirdness.

And then with Bella I just get a weird buddying vibe on her posts that her reads are more consensus. It’s why I want her to word vomit. Right now RC seems popular. But she also said it’s RC+Ari if all the reads of RC’s are wrong. He has to have four or five mislynches before he’s scum? Really?

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The push I did earlier kinda solidified that if Skitter’s scum she would need an active buddy considering how vocal things got on the suggestion.

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I may be daft but I honestly don't see a crumb in a single one of those quoted posts from Ico...

For the record my read on them has been entirely independent of this softing business and I don't see where anyone read into it this far at all.

“Very supportive of you” = I am a support role who visited you. When you combine with the tone of the posts.

It’s sarcastic read it like “C’mon Math I am supporting you this whole time. I trust you and it should be obvious why”

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Tbh my tean wanted me to prod Math about this supposedly obvious crumb everyone should have cought because none of us were on the level XD

RC caught it too. I think a lot of people did.

The main reason I think Ico is only scum with RC is because Ico would need a no kill to solidify a fake claim.

That absolutely requires RC scum though as Ico’s not the type of player to do that solo.

So hence Ico is only scum with RC and the way Ico was outed makes that unlikely as eyebrows will raise if Ico isn’t killed.

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@ari, math already showed a bunch of the crumbs in the last few pages but I also wasn't convinced they meant what math read in them. It does ask the questio why ico was just happy to let math assume ico had protected them..

@teacher, no worries. I got skitters wrong at some point too, sorry.

Ico already confirmed protective.

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The only gamestate that makes any sense to me is the one where Sau and Math are both scum.

VOTE: math

are you guys actually serious right now with this discussion

They apparently were :/

*sigh*

I wish tomorrow wasn’t a work day or I would have a beer.

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ok since everyone and their mother is insisting that we stop throwing shade at scum but are just handing doc!Ico on a platter to them

I hardclaim a protective

Math is inno

We are lynching shos today. If that flips scum, RC is next.

Can we do RC today first? RC flinched at being BoP’d on Shos making Shos prob town.

I really think RC is scum making our lives hell. Either that or Ari.

I hate the Shos wagon.

And thank you and I am sorry if my signal backs were too obvious.

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I softed protective when I went against RC on D1 saying I thought it was incredibly unlikely he would be NK'd. At that time I thought to be protecting him. By the end of D1, I considered Math was the most likely NK.

Anyone saying after this that scum DELIBERATELY NK'd is either drunk or scum

<3 Thank you Ico and I am sorry you’re outed.

How about we town block this shit

My scum pool is {RC Skitter Bella Ari}

There could be a few put in maaaaaybe sauce but that’s really low.

What’s your pool?

Pedit I really don’t.

I think scumRC uses the scumShos flip to bolster him in that case. It would save him a bit more.

He ran like a chicken.

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Shos’s answer to the BoP question should confirm it and depending upon that I may be willing to vote Shos but more often than not Shos is town.

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A pt this point I’m sheeping you two.

Then I would say prob RC but I wanna gel with Ico first.