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[nomnomnom]

So I guess it's a matter of you townreading FB or not. If you have a good reason to townread the slot by all means present your case to me because this is actually really important and potentially game changing.

[nomnomnom]

Have you thought that maybe the invest hood got blocked because scums are in both hoods and thus it would be easy to block that hood to get any kind of information?

Blocking Dave makes little to no sense considering that a more pro town move would have been to block the voteless hood.

[nomnomnom]

if we consider this then maybe pant looks extremely bad here

[nomnomnom]

Yes, but why Dave specifically? I still don't understand.

Forget about the voteless hood. I want to know why Dave in particular.

[nomnomnom]

I need to learn to read.

I don't believe in coincidences, this makes Maria look pretty bad.

[nomnomnom]

kuribo you can't deny the possibility that this coincidence could also not be a coincidence.

How did Maria introduce the idea to all of you?

[nomnomnom]

You're acting like I am blaming you for something when I'm questioning Maria's side of things in all this, which is odd and doesn't inspire me confidence in your slot.

[nomnomnom]

ur a blue dick

[nomnomnom]

Well now I REALLY want to know what DV's hood was lol.

[nomnomnom]

vengeful isn't that op. why we freaking out about it?

GIF did overshare too so you know maybe this is scum in the end

[nomnomnom]

You're acting like I am blaming you for something when I'm questioning Maria's side of things in all this, which is odd and doesn't inspire me confidence in your slot.

You're coming across like you're blaming me, or pant, or Maria, or whoever is convenient for something we'd have no prior knowledge of. "Maybe this makes pant look extremely bad" "oh no wait now maria looks bad."

It's not blame. It's just sanely questioning that the target just so happened to be in an invest hood. Anyone with 2 braincells would look at this and say "odd". I don't know.

[nomnomnom]

You're acting like I am blaming you for something when I'm questioning Maria's side of things in all this, which is odd and doesn't inspire me confidence in your slot.

You're coming across like you're blaming me, or pant, or Maria, or whoever is convenient for something we'd have no prior knowledge of. "Maybe this makes pant look extremely bad" "oh no wait now maria looks bad."

It's not blame. It's just sanely questioning that the target just so happened to be in an invest hood. Anyone with 2 braincells would look at this and say "odd". I don't know.

That only works as not-coincidence if you think DV or Dave is scum with Maria, and you don't seem to think that either. Anyone with two braincells would look at that and say "odd."


Also please put punctuation inside quotations. Not doing so makes my inner writer cry.

Wait is that how it works? French writing makes us put the punctuation outside of quotation marks

Also yes, I'm pondering the possibility that there could be one scum in your hood, and one scum in the invest hood. That's entirely possible.

[nomnomnom]

i'm going to have to ask you to start using your guillemets in that case

Non.

[nomnomnom]

vengeful is really good in the hands of scum

[nomnomnom]

I can guarantee you that if you lynch me today, town loses. Like, for real this time.

[nomnomnom]

Ank you're working with a "POE" but you apparently can't discuss other wagons in favor of a hood which has a vengeful LMS and you're voting someone town. Should I really vote you today? Because honestly you sound anything but genuine right now.

[nomnomnom]

What even is the scum case on me? It's been 3 days I've seen people say I'm scum but there's literally no case on me. You know from someone like you working with a "PoE" I would have already expected to roast my ass with a million things but all you were able to come up with is a ridiculous "I CaNt VoTe SoMeWhErE eLsE sOrRy?" Are you joking?

Either you towngame has deflated big time or you really need to work on your scumgame because holy hell.

[nomnomnom]

DV Ank FB is looking like a promising pool. Let's discuss those.

[nomnomnom]

And I swear to god if any of you idiots is going to bring up "WOW THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO CONSIDERED VOTING YOU" I am revoking your critical thinking card.

[nomnomnom]

But it's the truth. Last time you posted you posted a PoE you wanted to work with but skipped the part where you're supposed to sort people and see the cases on multiple people to vote me because apparently you couldn't vote anywhere else. It's not like you're not even bothering with what you're saying. You know I remember you working with PoEs. It was mostly discussing with others about the pros and cons of each lynches and reassuring others about your own PoE because people were still scumreading people outside of your PoE. I got none of that. You ever watched Dragon Ball Super? What you're doing right now feels like people who think they understand Dragon Ball but clearly skipped what make Dragon Ball Dragon Ball. Here I have the impression that maybe you're replicating what you'd do as town but missing out the little steps that make it a town reasoning.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you'll bring up about "not being able to get grips with this game". But honestly, it feels like anything but.

pedit: Oh yeah? How does town!me react to pressure? So I can have a good laugh rofl

I always enjoy a psychology session with people that think they understand me but clearly miss the point. And I thought you got a good grasp of me already.

[nomnomnom]

It's why I voted you a few times before honestly. Your play this game on the outside feels like a complete fanfiction. Sometimes I tell my brain I am wrong and some of your posts feel more like what I've seen elsewhere but the rest might as well be the shit I was writing when I was 13 years old about Harry Potter being emo and having a dark mind listening to Linkin Park when it's raining outside. Don't ask me.

I put pressure on you before but then you were like "BOO HOO WHY IS NO ONE TOWNREADING ME"

The truth of the matter is that I have to choose and I haven't made up my mind. Either I get my piece of mind with my hood, or I get to explore the two dodgy slots that is you and DV. What would you do at my place honestly? Make sure scum never gets a vengeful kill even if that means I am wrong and mislynch a townie in the process to avoid such a disaster?

pedit: because you literally just said so????

[nomnomnom]

Yeah. That's what I was referring to when I said that some of the stuff you did reminded me of other times we played together. But then there's all this other shit you do that sounds sooooooooooo completely off from the usual town!you I've seen before, and you've tried to excuse that with the fact you were not totally in this game mentally and I accepted that as an answer and got a tunnelled Volpe after me I needed to sort. You're like one of these slots I want to sort but there's so much shit going around me and so many people acting weird around my slot that it feels impossible to ever do that.

pedit: It's far from harmless it literally harms town in every way and makes it so you have one less day to solve everything and time isn't on town's side right now at all. I wouldn't want to give vengeful to scum and that's 100% the reason why I've been paranoid of my own hood since the very beginning

[nomnomnom]

You know who you remind me off? Skitter when she rolls scum. She never really backs down from her scumread on me and always keeps me as a sort of "sure let's lynch there" possibility when she sees my slot gets heated. It happened in Venrob's PYP and for some reason I have the impression you're doing the same. I only remember you 180ing when I mentioned that very thing. I'd need to check but yeah.

pedit:????

vengeful decides who they're shooting

[nomnomnom]

I'm too tired for this convo, I'm about to collapse

Just bring up a scumcase about me that isn't a one liner about me changing up a read over the course of a few gamedays that'd be great

[nomnomnom]

I’m actually pretty cool with wagons on both FB and nom? I don’t have townreads on either but my vote stays on nom because I find her more actively scummy than FB.

extremely scummy post when FB flips scum.

I guess this is the correct move, I ain't letting FB getting vengeful VOTE: FB

[nomnomnom]

I can't wait to be conftown when FB flips scum, that'll be something alright.

We have a doctor hood right

[nomnomnom]

It's not confidence it's just that I either fully trust you to be town and we go on like this or I don't and I lynch you because the other scenario results in my death a lot of the time

[nomnomnom]

because our LMS is a vengeful shot and it's really easy for scum right now to refocus the game on us two at any time, this should be fucking obvious given that I've been a wagon for 3 straight days now.

[nomnomnom]

Plus if you flip scum I get to be conftown on top of it and the game is looking like a solid win honestly.

[nomnomnom]

I mean when you flip scum I get to be conftown and I have a vengeful shot so you know

[nomnomnom]

well truth be told having a vengeful shot adn being conftown is kinda shit lol.

Well... what do you think are the other options today FB? You don't talk much either way.

[nomnomnom]

So you don't have other any meaningful input than what you entered the thread with is what you're saying

[nomnomnom]

can you repeat the question?

[nomnomnom]

can you repeat the question?

What are your thoughts on dave and who are your townreads & why?

Honestly I have none.

I honestly don't have many townreads which should be concerning but I like Maria, A50, Kuribo, EP.

[nomnomnom]

can you repeat the question?

What are your thoughts on dave and who are your townreads & why?

Honestly I have none.

I honestly don't have many townreads which should be concerning but I like Maria, A50, Kuribo, EP.

Huh.

One more question for ya but this one you don't have to answer if you'd rather keep it a secret for now.

What do you think of me so far this game? I think you've only really mentioned me while mentioning PoE scum lists or possible scum pairs but I don't remember you really talking about my play by itself.

my thoughts on you vary too much so you're null. Don't know why you would care about my view on you anyway

[nomnomnom]

Also I do want to bug you about one more thing - why do you like EP? What posts of his or which part of his play have you liked?

I like the tone. For me it's just simple posts with clear motivations which seems townie?

[nomnomnom]

uuuuugh nom

you realize from my perspective your townreads feel basically substance-less right?

I think most of your pushes of 'this person is scum' are fine and possible to come from town

I think your behavior from day 1 was completely justified and have said that I've townread it the whole game

But also Deas is right that you're way overblowing the possibility of you getting nightkilled and guaranteeing that town will lose if you get lynched today and you mentioned that you didn't have many townreads which should be concerning and I'm not really sure if you meant normally it would be concerning for us that you don't have many townreads or that you're concerned about the game/the players because you don't have many but YEAH I am concerned that I can't seem to follow any of your townreads because I feel like by this point in the game you should have at least one or two that you can at least explain your train of thought on well and that if they started getting pushed I could see you doing something more than saying that their wagon is dumb and voting somewhere else but at the moment I can't.

Can you at least see where I'm coming from here?

The thing is that we're at a point in the game where my paranoia meter goes up and up. That happens in a lot of game where I'm in.

[nomnomnom]

there are too many slots that engage with me in such a weird way as well, it's honestly hard to give townreads this game. I want to make a lot of slots flip rn.

[nomnomnom]

possibly the worst vote

[nomnomnom]

it's okay you guys are going to wagon me, see me flip town then say it's my fault somehow for whatever cryptic reason that you couldn't realize that me being an awkward wagon for 3 days straight is probably a good indicator that I am town.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: nomnomnom
Here, I'll help you out.

[nomnomnom]

Honestly I wanted reactions and this was lackluster

buuuuuuuuuuut I don't like DEB's answer here VOTE: DEB

[nomnomnom]

I don't know the vote into a "lol" pinged me a lot

[nomnomnom]

Honestly I'm a bit lost with my reads and everything so whatever, I tried something to get reactions since I usually like sorting like that.

Meh this game is depressing

pedit: that was my comment i believe

[nomnomnom]

I hate later days when we don't have scum flips. I much rather playing early but I got ultra tunneled by Volpe and that destabilized me, I just feel completely lost

I might as well just not play, I feel really useless right now ngl

[nomnomnom]

I still don't even know why I'm getting wagonned, or scumread. It just feels like people see me having less confidence in this game and my reads and they're like "yup bye!". It's honestly really depressing. I just feel useless and I don't want to contribute to a town loss. Damn it.

[nomnomnom]

Actually I should really fucking listen to my team VOTE: FB

If he's town he's town fuck it, I don't want to feel guilty and leave this site for good if FB is actually scum and I let him have a vengeful shot.

[nomnomnom]

whatever, I can't stop it, might as well stop playing mafia after this, what a colossal failure.

[nomnomnom]

People are going to lynch me on the worst possible time and give FB a venge shot which might seal the game completely. Whatever. I don't know what's going on these last games but just because I'm not giving ultra certain reads I'm getting wagonned. It was the same in PYP. Whatever.

[nomnomnom]

People are going to blame it on me at the end too I know it lol

[nomnomnom]

Nah it was shit and completely sidetracked the game at really important moments too.

[nomnomnom]

I guess so
I"m a bit burned out of this game honestly

[nomnomnom]

What if the block vote thing was specifically dedicated to the LMS of your hood kuribo

[nomnomnom]

UNVOTE:
There must be scum on my wagon right... Urgh.

[nomnomnom]

I guess I'm consolidating on DV VOTE: DV

[nomnomnom]

How about we skip the lynching me part that would be great

If you want to theorycraft on the people that look extremely bad who pushed me, then do it now with me.

[nomnomnom]

Also this whole discussion about lynching me because other people want to despite you thinking I'm town is like really bad.

[nomnomnom]

How about this: instead of letting the gamestate warp around me over and over again, just try to deflect it away from me if you truly think I am town. I hate posturing like this.

[nomnomnom]

It doesn't matter what I do I'll get lynched today either way because somehow the game warps around me over and over again because I'm one of those players that is really easy to warp the gamestate around due to my temper.

It really doesn't matter. I'm just confused and I just want to see what input I can give before I die.

[nomnomnom]

It makes me mad because as a player I am way better when the spotlight isn't on me and I can take the time to analyze discussions, I genuinely cannot read people when it's me that's on the spotlight. It's really terrible.

[nomnomnom]

Perhaps vote your strongest scumreads instead of me?

Like it kind of baffles me the justification to vote me is "other people think you're scum"

[nomnomnom]

It's not reluctance I'm just genuinely confused

[nomnomnom]

@Ank what exactly in EP's post wasn't townie? I want to know as well.

[nomnomnom]

I don't think scum!ank radically changes her vote like this. This looks very town from here.

I need to reread EP here. I thought he was town before.

[nomnomnom]

Ank you had a good moment of sanity for a second there and honestly that sounded pretty town of you so I feel like we can work together if you give me time.

[nomnomnom]

everything I do is scum obviously lol

well if anything, I'm pretty confident that Ank is town with this sudden vote shift so, yeah. There's that at least. Don't go back on Ank.

[nomnomnom]

the answer is that I'm not scum, obviously

[nomnomnom]

To be honest I feel like I've hit the point of no return and that anything I will say will be considered scummy because I'm not throwing ultra certain reads left and right so yeah.

[nomnomnom]

Is this a 1v1 I see?

[nomnomnom]

zzzzzzz

[nomnomnom]

everything I do is scum obviously lol

well if anything, I'm pretty confident that Ank is town with this sudden vote shift so, yeah. There's that at least. Don't go back on Ank.

[..]
@EP - is there a reason why you're not voting at the moment?

I was holding off with voting until we finished the mass claim. Now that we're done with that, I suppose I don't have a reason for not voting. I'll rectify that now.

VOTE: Ank

Willing to swap to DV to help get the lynch through.

Is this a 1v1 I see?

Considering that you said in the past 2 days or so that you have a townread on both of EP & Ank why are you encouraging it?

Because otherwise we are delving in apathy that's leading to my lynch and this is going to end in absolutely nothing.

[nomnomnom]

That vote is probably the shittiest in the whole bunch.

Call me when you come back to your senses.

[nomnomnom]

Nom does it bother you at all that you're just throwing a tantrum instead of doing anything to help the town?

Pointing out someone voting their TR is shitting, is throwing a tantrum to you?

Piss off honestly lol

[nomnomnom]

shitty*

If people think I'm scum then so be it but actually voting me when you TR me is the worst thing to do. It's like wasting your day just because other people want to vote me. That's not how you play mafia jesus christ. I don't care if you think people are hiding behind a me scumread if you want the day to change stop letting the gamestate warp around me and maybe things will change. This is just straight up stupid. I just don't want to play in this kind of game it's just stupid.

[nomnomnom]

there are plenty of occasions where people will know I am town, for example if FB flips scum then I am confirmed town thanks to my hood and we can have the doctor hood protect me.

Think about this one or two seconds and you'll realize how much of a bad idea this is.

[nomnomnom]

My team wants me to vote FB that's for sure.

[nomnomnom]

It's just that this whole game sucks with people not even justifying their votes, going with rhetoric as stupid as "OTHER PEOPLE ARE VOTING THERE LOL!" to vote me, or not even bothering to give a simple explanation and then people tell me I'm moping up rofl

It's kind of depressing actually.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: FB
This day feels worthless because people are not even discussing what happens when I flip town which is a really great indication of who is scum. If townies don't do this then scums won't bother with that.

[nomnomnom]

Survivalism isn't scummy especially considering my LMS is a fucking venge shot

[nomnomnom]

What information do you provide? Do you just really push people expecting them to shit reads out of their asses like I'm a god damn monkey? I'm completely lost with this game because people are riding on my ass since the beginning of this game for completely odd reasons and it never stops what do you want me to do???? Only thing that I'm relatively sure about is Ank is town because of that random flip on EP. That's all.

[nomnomnom]

I have better stuff to do than screaming at people who will take anything I say as scummy and I am really bad at analyzing people when I'm on the hotspot, better to spend my time on music making, so please just save your tirades and hammer me already so then at the end of game you can go on about "how I wasn't townie enough".

[nomnomnom]

blah blah blah spare me the details

[nomnomnom]

I provided reads a while ago but I guess those weren't enough for ~mister~ panthaleon

[nomnomnom]

sorry i'll make sure to provide a readslist and make sure to tweet them to you every hour for your convenience xoxo

[nomnomnom]

this one, plus the people I've been voting should be a good start, yes.

[nomnomnom]

To be fair you've been complaining about my lack of reads but if I need to be honest I legit remember none of your posts and none of your reads

[nomnomnom]

let's have a fun game sum up panthaleon's thoughts on the game so far without checking his iso if you have anything you let me know lol

if not enough people can post about this we just push panth to death because that would be scummy sounds good?

[nomnomnom]

there are plenty of occasions where people will know I am town, for example if FB flips scum then I am confirmed town thanks to my hood and we can have the doctor hood protect me.

Think about this one or two seconds and you'll realize how much of a bad idea this is.

God u keep spouting this stupidity.

This isn’t how setup spec works.

It’s very possible for both of us to be scum.
Neither of us are.

But this line of thinking is just speculative trash

?
You realize that giving scum an almost guaranteed vengeshot is not balanced right it's literally not possible for us 2 to be scum

[nomnomnom]

FB I'm not wagonning DEB here no way

[nomnomnom]

Im too tired for this today

[nomnomnom]

My team kindly requested that you leave them some time to get some reads and help me out here.

Also I've had town games where I act "worse" than this lol

[nomnomnom]

Like if you're going to analyze my meta don't take ONE scum game and actually bother to look into other scumgames and other towngames instead of taking ONE game and confbiasing your ass off on it rofl

[nomnomnom]

Idk I'm just annoyed in general

I have plenty of games you can check out idk just pick one and roll with it

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79835 this one's a fun read and shows you how I can get as town.

My biggest gripe with this game is I feel we're letting slots get away with doing absolutely nothing, or really scummy things. It just feels like I'm getting scapegoated.

[nomnomnom]

You know what fuck it

VOTE: Panth

The more I think about this, the more it makes sense. Nobody has a good damn reason to townread here yet people were townreading Vex and then he faded into obscurity, panth replaces in, everyone ignores him. That's not normal.
Let's discuss this.

[nomnomnom]

heh TBH Ico just told me I should be wagonning DEB with you guys because it looks like he's a scum comforting in a tunnel on me.

Maybe he's right and we're letting the guy get away with too much VOTE: DEB.

[nomnomnom]

Also Ico says hi to Math and asking why you're not pulling him out of the tunnel on me

[nomnomnom]

Also it annoys me to think that Ank should be townreading the fuck out of me here yet this happens so yeah

[nomnomnom]

because we've been playing many games before and that I feel like she should be townreading me considering she easily reads me town in other town games

[nomnomnom]

Ank can tell you how much of a solve machine I get when we reach endgame.

[nomnomnom]

Maybe you should discuss reads with me instead of whatever the fuck you're doing right now I swear to god your ISO is like 90% of "NOM IS SCUM SORRY I AM NOT MOVING OFF HER BYE"

[nomnomnom]

I do think your slot is scummy btw, but I had a discussion with Ico and he thinks what DEB is doing is hiding behind a tunnel to get an easy mislynch and not getting scumread.

[nomnomnom]

now that's new

[nomnomnom]

Well I've been thinking of going Panth honestly. Does DEB usually sheep people I never played with him, it just seems he's sheeping ank really hard.

If there's meta about him doing this then I think Panth is a good lynch option rn

[nomnomnom]

what is this an answer to

[nomnomnom]

reread that post one more time but that was a rapid response lol

[nomnomnom]

?

I mention DEB just before this.

[nomnomnom]

Ank what's your position on Panth you haven't talked about that in a while afaik

[nomnomnom]

I think there's a chance that DEB sheeping people that he considers better at solving can come from a town mindset considering there's meta according to FL so
VOTE: Panth
I think Panth approached my slot in bad faith and is accusing me of not solving when he hasn't provided meaningful input either, and that "eat the rope like a helpful VT" comment is just something else.
I think him or DV are good lynches today.

[nomnomnom]

I can already tell you that AnkxEP and AnkxFL won't go anywhere lol

FL what do you think of Panth

[nomnomnom]

I think there's a chance that DEB sheeping people that he considers better at solving can come from a town mindset considering there's meta according to FL so
VOTE: Panth
I think Panth approached my slot in bad faith and is accusing me of not solving when he hasn't provided meaningful input either, and that "eat the rope like a helpful VT" comment is just something else.
I think him or DV are good lynches today.

I don't think any of those things are reasons why panth is more likely scum.

How so?

[nomnomnom]

I guess that's a fair point but it was still a bunch of awful posts to me, especially refusing to hear anything about town cases about me. It's almost like he wants to policy lynch me which is suspicious at this point of the game

[nomnomnom]

Why is that

[nomnomnom]

I think Ank is town here because of how she handled my slot.

[nomnomnom]

Specifically the part where she suddenly went on you when I was at L-2 or something felt extremely townie to me.

[nomnomnom]

Can someone reiterate their case on EP? I think I would feel better with a DV wagon but I just haven't been following the case on EP at all

[nomnomnom]

honestly this feels like a solid block...

Argh... let me think this one through again. Leave me tomorrow I'm too tired to decide right now.

[nomnomnom]

I like how punchy this is compared to how lazy and energyless my wagon felt rofl this is weird

[nomnomnom]

you know I think there's scum involved in this exchange considering how passionate this discussion is

[nomnomnom]

I think I agree with the sentiment FL is saying that scum should be talking a lot here considering one of their best mislynch bait got unwagonned

[nomnomnom]

I think I agree with the sentiment FL is saying that scum should be talking a lot here considering one of their best mislynch bait got unwagonned

You mean...by Ank?

I'm not saying Ank is scum I just think scum would be panicking a lot here tbh

[nomnomnom]

I think I agree with the sentiment FL is saying that scum should be talking a lot here considering one of their best mislynch bait got unwagonned

You mean...by Ank?

I'm not saying Ank is scum I just think scum would be panicking a lot here tbh

...you mean when FL came in and spammed the thread after I called him scum?

kinda lol

[nomnomnom]

@Nomnom - do not put that knife back in my back, please

I have a knife I am dangerous
I ain't voting or giving serious opinions this tired tbh, I'll reread all of this tomorrow morning

[nomnomnom]

tbh I think this whole thing about "don't betray me" is pretty manipulative from you FL I don't know, do I think you're devious enough to attack my sensibility and fear of failure? That'd be sick ngl

[nomnomnom]

tbh I think this whole thing about "don't betray me" is pretty manipulative from you FL I don't know, do I think you're devious enough to attack my sensibility and fear of failure? That'd be sick ngl

Well, don’t, this is Team Mafia. I’d probably do it.

You’ve done it to me 4 times, I think it’s a fair assumption for me to think you’d do it again.

I’m manipulative as town too, though, people act like it’s just scum who are manipulative.

Well damn I feel betrayed either way you flip now

[nomnomnom]

YOU MEAN THE GAMESTATE THAT MADE US LYNCH ONLY TOWN AND WE WERE ABOUT TO LYNCH A THIRD

This is a FALSE statement. This town has yet to make a single mislynch. We only lynched 3P on D2 and D1 ended with a NL because of the modkill.

Yeah honestly this is a very funny thing concerning this game on a pure lynch standpoint we're doing pretty okay lol

[nomnomnom]

YOU MEAN THE GAMESTATE THAT MADE US LYNCH ONLY TOWN AND WE WERE ABOUT TO LYNCH A THIRD

This is a FALSE statement. This town has yet to make a single mislynch. We only lynched 3P on D2 and D1 ended with a NL because of the modkill.

Day 1 was leading to a town lynch considering the people about to be lynched were Nom and I believe Ank, but keep going A50.

Is this TMI or are you THAT sure we're both town

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

I think the survivor lynch was a good lynch if only because I laughed pretty hard seeing that

[nomnomnom]

Well i take it back this game is wild wooo hahahahahaha

pedit: well shit now that's a quote EP

[nomnomnom]

well to be fair she did townread me the whole time despite the vote so

[nomnomnom]

i mean for analysis purposes but in terms of l-ynches it's a good lynch

[nomnomnom]

spicy

I'd be tempted to say Maria looks the worse in the trio too

[nomnomnom]

where's your suspicion of FB coming from

[nomnomnom]

where's your suspicion of FB coming from

I’ve literally been saying all game I think there’s scum in your hood, and we 2v2’d Volpe and GIF together...when ranking your hood, I had Volpe first, GIF 2nd, you 3rd...

Firebringer will even tell you he knows the suspicions been there

okay so if we discard the hood is there anything else

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Deasvail
Yeah. Let's go.

[nomnomnom]

something something nomnomnomnmonomnoonmoonnmomnonnmo

[nomnomnom]

very important pagetop is mine

[nomnomnom]

what does ebay have to do with any of this

[nomnomnom]

I think that there's much more context to this and I don't think it was a thing about you scumreading me, it was definitely something about me getting overly paranoid when the solution was really clear

[nomnomnom]

Yeah but if I need to rethink of that game it was much more political, much more "let's agree to do X together or ur scum", stuff like that.

[nomnomnom]

I wouldnt be able to remember because my brain was WHACK at that time and I did not sleep for 2-3 days during that game lol

I am still ashamed of that one

[nomnomnom]

I mean there must be scum on the people that voted me. Would be kind of a massive failure if none of the players on my wagon happened to be scum. That would be a massive failure rofl

[nomnomnom]

I think the people that are scums on my wagons are the one that are still on it, or anyone after Ank/DEB because I feel those two unvotes in particular were extremely townie, the rest is up for debate

[nomnomnom]

Another thing to note is, if at the time where I was the top wagon, all the other top wagons happen to be town then the unvotes and Firebringer's move about not hammering me is simply posturing considering that particular gamestate so i feel we shouldn't forget about that in later days

[nomnomnom]

what are you even talking about

[nomnomnom]

Did we get it

[nomnomnom]

FL if DV flips scum you are looking so bad right now rofl

[nomnomnom]

I have a good idea on who's getting commuted tbh, don't worry about it

[nomnomnom]

Let's get the flip

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Nomnom

Parking this here to start with. Hey nom play for serious please. Of you are town, tell me who scum is

"play for serious"?

[nomnomnom]

If you really rely on me to make a good shot here you've lost your mind

[nomnomnom]

You know what

I think scums think they know where I would shoot, so they think it's safe to vote me.

Perhaps it changes how I view this whole game...

[nomnomnom]

I did mention in my hood that I thought I wanted to go FL yesterday just because a lot of what he says is just plain odd.

[nomnomnom]

today*

[nomnomnom]

I think I wouldn't do justice to this question if I was to answer it now, so let me come back to this question when I have a clear mind

[nomnomnom]

If you really rely on me to make a good shot here you've lost your mind

I mean you're not making a shot alone. You're doing it with the consensus of the town, if you are town.

lol

[nomnomnom]

It's only a good idea to lynch me if you believe there will never be an extra kill ever but remember that we have a vig LMS and a rod LMS in the same game.

[nomnomnom]

...I just realized the stupidity of my statement rofl.

But there's still a vig lms

[nomnomnom]

Unless I get night killed that is.

But for some reason scums REALLY want me to eat rope and it's been 3 days straight people have pushed me for a wagon. The fact of the matter is scums probably want me to use my shot now because of the density of people I can get wrong.

[nomnomnom]

They see me as a person with a weakness in terms of scumreads, this is why they gave me the venge shot and want to push my lynch.

I need to rethink all this game properly because this could point at a few different people.

[nomnomnom]

Nom, does the venge disable in LyLo?

The worst wants to know.

doesn't say anything about that

[nomnomnom]

ok done

[nomnomnom]

Tbf I haven't moped in any way, I'm just saying that this gamestate is constructed to try and push my lynch today so the vengeful shot gets used when there are the most opportunities to get it wrong. This is why Volpe was killed I presume and why we are in this gamestate. The answer is who is most likely to set it up this way and perhaps check the trajectories of people according to this gamestate.

[nomnomnom]

You forget the part where I have to shoot.

This is what I'm saying: by trying to speed up today you are furthering scums' agenda by making it easier for me to miss if I end up getting lynched.

Also panth it's not really about this anymore. There's like 99% i get lynched today because of how scums designed this gamestate. I don't have to justify my reads here. I just have to shoot well.

[nomnomnom]

Like this passive aggressive "you're not doing anything" thing you're doing is literally useless. You should be convincing me of where I shoot.

[nomnomnom]

It's either this, or we are not lynching me today and we make it easier for me not to fuck up. The gamestate is essentially in people's hands, but I am giving you a warning that speeding today up is a scum move regardless of your opinion on if I should be lynched or not.

[nomnomnom]

Nah.

How about you tell me where I should be shooting

[nomnomnom]

Today's going to be real fun I can feel it hahaha

[nomnomnom]

If you really rely on me to make a good shot here you've lost your mind

I mean you're not making a shot alone. You're doing it with the consensus of the town, if you are town.

lol

What was lol about this?

read what followed and panth getting at me afterwards to understand because I knew this would happen
panth wants me to make a shot by consensus but refuses to engage in a conversation where I ask him where I should shoot, which is top comedy

[nomnomnom]

This is asinine. Is being this unhelpful just NAI for you?

blah blah blah less blaming and crying and more talking about your own reads pal

[nomnomnom]

it doesn't matter if I talk or not because people will be deadset on lynching me anyway because "LOL FREE LYNCH"
The only real thing I can say is not to rush it because it's scummy to leave me less time to think this through, and talk between yourselves. My only last job here is to make a good job, not entertain you with useless discussion, whether you like it or not. So if you're dead set on lynching me, then get to sorting your own reads and discussing them because I ain't doing shit.

[nomnomnom]

I have no convincing to do lol
All I have to do is shoot well. The rest doesn't matter.

[nomnomnom]

All discussing does is taking thread space for discussion that doesn't matter, which is equivalent to people quicklynching me: it gives me and people less time to think this through, and it gives me more chances to shoot wrong. So I'm not contributing. I will only be seriously contributing and discussing lynch options if people decide they want to not lynch me today and basically reduce the chances I get this wrong.

[nomnomnom]

Panth isn't giving reads and bitching at me, which is either town frustration or just scum doing their cinema and pretending to discuss. Judge by yourself.
I should be asking you what you think about it, not the contrary.

pedit: I am not whining. I am stating the fact that my input here is 100% useless, and all I need to do is shoot correctly. This is the reality of lynching me today. Now discuss your reads instead of this shit lol also what you're saying is what I'm trying to say but you're acting like what I'm doing is bad

[nomnomnom]

I am rolling my eyes so hard right now lol

just discuss your reads with other ppl, but I guess it's hard to discuss reads when you have none and you're only generating useless discussion

[nomnomnom]

Well to be honest I'd really like to make it to LYLO, or at least get further in the game if I end up getting lynched so I have less chances to be wrong. I think lynching me now is a strategic blunder .

[nomnomnom]

lol

I've been busy with music stuff and still am. I'm only giving quick replies right now. I haven't forgotten about that. I'm mostly concerned about the discussion about not lynching me right now, rather than the discussion about reads proper.

[nomnomnom]

I've been saying this a lot at the beginning though. I'm just saying that if you're dead set on lynching me then I wouldn't be contributing. But when you realize it's objectively wrong to lynch me then we'll start discussing again.

[nomnomnom]

Also regardless of what we do, let my teammate DDL get a VCA going

[nomnomnom]

If I die the information is going to be in form of a shot and a dying message.

[nomnomnom]

FL what do you think of Kuribo right now?

[nomnomnom]

nobody has reported a voteless by the way now that I think about it

[nomnomnom]

@Ank who did you guys vote for voteless?

[nomnomnom]

Also FL according to DDL he thinks Kuribo and Ank are good lynch decisions today.

He mentioned Maria, he thinks it's not impossible that she's just letting things go by because of the hectic gamestate. He also pondered the idea of you and Maria being paired together, but in the end he thinks you're town.

pedit: Why do you insist on lynching me when it's a strategic blunder? I thought you were smarter than this Ank

[nomnomnom]

It should also be pretty fucking obvious that I am town because no scum puts themselves in this situation ever. This is the most stupid thing since it incites people to lynch you.

[nomnomnom]

The strategic blunder is making me use my vengeful shot when I have the most chances to miss scum. This should be pretty obvious why it's a blunder. It's a simple numbers game here.

[nomnomnom]

NOT ALSO LOOKING AT THE FACT I AM LIKE CONFTOWN FROM THAT LMS THING

[nomnomnom]

It is relevant considering I am literally conftown and that you are removing someone conftown from the game just for a shot in the dark!!!!
This is what scums want. This is why they gave me that venge shot. Use your brain pls.

pedit: not it's not playing with one less confirmed town player is bad, jsut straight up bad

[nomnomnom]

It is relevant considering I am literally conftown and that you are removing someone conftown from the game just for a shot in the dark!!!!
This is what scums want. This is why they gave me that venge shot. Use your brain pls.

pedit: not it's not playing with one less confirmed town player is bad, jsut straight up bad

you are not even remotely close to confirmed town and you're a decent enough player to know it instead of spouting this utter horseshit while refusing to actually go into details on any of your reads

you know

like scum who don't want to give town any potential advantage once they flip would do

Tell me what kind of scum makes a move that gives town an incentive to lynch them

I'll be waiting

[nomnomnom]

?

[nomnomnom]

All this drama while the game isn't finished by far lol

calm down and start thinking this through and you'll start seeing the scumteam for what it is. This is highly doable.

Although lynching me now gives me less chances to get it right. Also don't worry, if I actually get lynched, I won't shoot kuribo. He's actually lynchable.

[nomnomnom]

they dont call me nom for nothing

[nomnomnom]

I guess you guys have a point, but I'm not the kind to give up this easily.

I've actually done this whole "make a suicidal move that guarantees your lynch the next day", but in that game I shut the hell up in order not to give any information. Quite different here honestly.

[nomnomnom]

And when I say "shut up" I mean not a single message.

FL can attest to that.

[nomnomnom]

reminder that voting me without discussing reads, or shots, or whatever, is scummy

[nomnomnom]

Gamma are you considering changing your vote if nom provides reads? It doesn’t seem like it given your previous stances. If you just wanna think about who nom is shooting that’s kinda a moot point. If nom is scum it doesn’t matter. If nom is town it leaves scum sweating and only so much room they can work around.

Thank god someone that gets it

[nomnomnom]

I almost want to vote Ank here, there's something that pings me about how she's handling this conversation.

I think this is scummy of her.

[nomnomnom]

A50 and Gammagooey are hard townreads of mine?

I was writing a long post going into why I had reads the way they are, but I decided not to post it. Instead I'm going to do it this way.

Ankamius

Almost50
Firebringer
Gammagooey
nomnomnom
Panthaleon

davesaz
Flavor Leaf

Dr Easy Bake
kuribo
MariaR

EspressoPatronum

And yes, I'm changing my mind on DEB, somewhat, solely because of his vote on nom today.

I don't think his lynch is at all useful to the game other than the exact same reasons that nom is a good lynch, that being that it relieves a source of tension from the game.

Congratulations on ripping out the context. Would you like a medal?

Like this kind of response. I've watched one game of scum!ank and it contained aggressive posts like those. I haven't seen those from town!ank

[nomnomnom]

It was a normal game I believe. Couldn't remember. This it was a game with tw

[nomnomnom]

It was a normal game I believe. Couldn't remember. This it was a game with tw

What year was it from? If it was around 2016 or older, then you're approaching the stage where I was significantly more aggressive in general.

It was 2019.