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[Flavor Leaf]

You don’t think that scum wouldn’t have people on your side defending you in any capacity?

considering that the wagon didn't turn out that way until after I called all four of you out

nope!

Then so be it.

Don’t blame me for town losing post game if you’re town.

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I’ve tried to work with you, I’ve tried to get you to see that you are tunneling, and I’ll admit I’m tunneling a bit too.

We’re both trying to full game solve when a single scum hasn’t flipped.

[Flavor Leaf]

I personally don’t feel Kuribo has me pocketed. If I was being pocketed before, I’m definitely looking more into it now. The last time I played with Kuribo, I essentially knew he was scum, and it wasn’t even that long ago, sometime in the middle of last year.

Nomnom, I’ve explained why i think she is town. I don’t believe scum makes her vengeful. I believe I was setup to be the person Nomnom shoots, or today’s mislynch. The commuter ability had to be taken out of the game before my hood got the LMS or it would have became an auto no kill night, which scum absolutely didn’t want.

Panth has extreme high scum equity imo, and honestly hasn’t done a single thing this day phase.

I also think FB has high scum equity, along with you. If I am to assume you are town, I still feel they have to have scum in them, so my reads are independent from each other.

Maria has high scum equity. I feel like she’s been protected throughout the game, and she can easily brush off anything towards her.

DEB is in my null space. I have found some townie stuff by him, and I like how he’s been bringing up Gamma’s stuff in neighborhood. It seems like he’s actively trying to do some stuff here and there, but at the same time, I think he’s coasting, and while he’s not on my short list, i wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being scum. Although, I think the scum team is likely playing well and controlling gamestate, so that’s actually points against DEB.

I also don’t like that you are acting like Ank/DEB is a crazy wtf thing, because it’s really not. It could be wrong, sure, but I think it’s an incredibly valid scum partner for you based on a mixture of your ISO’s.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll ask em. 2 of them have been mia since they don’t have their own game going right now, so idk how much they’ve followed up.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I’ve never seen scum you, so i don’t think it’s fair you push that to me.

I could go silly willy into the details if you want.

You don’t think as scum, I’d do more than basic deflection work?

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You also literally said earlier you straight up don’t think scum are planning, that’s why A50 made that post about how I do in fact plan everything, so now you’re contradicting yourself.

You seriously can’t see how you have such high scum equity in this game?

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, i don’t read big walls. I get distracted easily.

[Flavor Leaf]

lynching me as scum is safe because A50 has even posted that he's very unlikely to ever use the vigshot, and I would be surprised if that's something that people who know him would have already been able to guess beforehand

I’m trying to answer everything, but i get off focused.

On this note, A50’s a known fake claimer, it is most definitely not safe.

[Flavor Leaf]

4 - I would think a lot of scumteams would play that way, at least focusing more on setting future things up more than actually enacting a specific plan. Surviving is the most important thing, and with the amount of chaos that is already starting to blow up throughout day one, it really doesn't take a whole lot more than indulging in the chaos without acknowledging each other as potential scum to maybe swing the lynch towards scum, since that kind of thing is very hard to accurately parse even when most slots are flipped later in the game.

Then you don't know these 3, and specifically FL. I've been Scum with him, and I've modded Scum him, and I know he does plan ahead. I can't be as confident about dave (I've never been scum with him nor have I modded him as Scum) but he's an analytical player, so I would very much expect him to plan ahead too. As for kuribo, I think this is my 2nd (maybe 3rd) game with him, so he's the least know character to me of the 3, but he's old school. 'nough said.

I was more just pulling from this, and assumed you said that.

Like I said, I don’t really read big walls, i just was looking for my name.

I can typically read like a paragraph at a time, so I kind of grabbed a lot of context, but once I saw that it was mostly just IioA, I just can’t get myself to read in depth. That’s just a general thing for me, not even just this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

this is how people that can't actually debate win debates

Here’s the thing, though.

I can win debates. I feel like the fact I’m not actively doing that stuff should be town indicative to you.

[Flavor Leaf]

you can't call it iioa if you don't even read past the first part

It’s not a matter of reading past the first part or not, it’s more like read first part, 3rd part, 6th part, 11th mark, while skimmed over the rest.

Then buckled down on what was on mine, so like, I see what you post

[Flavor Leaf]

I also probably read a lot more than I think I did too

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I really think Panth is scum

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I don’t even know if it’s more likely scum thing or not. I don’t feel like my pool is that off, which for your pool to have a lot of scum in them relies on me being just completely wrong, and if you’re town, we’re definitely at some kind of mix, and there’s probably a deep wolf somewhere.

Assuming you’re town, I still think Panth and Firebringer are BOTH scum. I could be wrong on one of them. If you are town, Maria is extremely scummy, and I actually feel I have a really strong gut when it comes to reading Maria.

[Flavor Leaf]

“FL focuses a lot on me from day two on after EP and I mutually scumread each other initially on day one. I expect FL helped fuel it in the neighborhood and made sure to keep endlessly engaging anything I do in order to drown it in bullshit so that I wouldn't focus on solving the game and figuring out that EP is town rather than just keeping the tunnels going long enough that it's too late to solve the hood at all. When it's 'incorrect' for the gamestate to lynch scum, then it's only a matter of time before this 1v1 just goes out of control and gets town to just vote me out in order to shut it up.”


I actually was one of the major reasons we Doctor’d you Night 1. I was not pushing you. I was being suspicious of EP for the first part of this game.

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I honestly can’t find any of your reasons for scum reading me. I feel like you’re just painting assumption based plays that are being made with a mindset of you thinking I’ve already flipped red.

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I feel like you’re scum reading me because I’m shutting you down when I don’t agree with what you’re posting, which is annoying because you do the exact same thing.

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I need to sleep, so i‘ll do a deep dive sometime tomorrow if i can.

UNVOTE: Ank

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma

Nomnom
Kuribo

Espresso
A50
DEB

Dave
Ank
Firebringer

Maria

Panth

Is where I think I’m at atm.

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I unvoted Ankamius a couple pages ago.

I find it extremely funny that Panth’s town read on his hood is gone immediately after Ankamius said there could be multiple scum in there.

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[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t have an issue with feelings.

There’s a reason DEB and Emperor flippyNips have been able to hard town read and hard scum read multiple times throughout the game I’ve played with them.

Honestly, flippyNips and I have town locked on more than one occasion, and he always ends up getting lynched in those games.

[Flavor Leaf]

I hate this.

Ank’s winning me over again, and I reaaaallly don’t wanna mislynch her, but I reaaaalllllyy don’t want her to get me to town read her if she’s scum

[Flavor Leaf]

I noticed some uppity’s yes. Idk if it’s that drastic or not.

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What was your new solve?

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Oh. dave gamma Kuribo Maria.

I don’t think it’s Gamma here. Idk why TownGamma would defend DEB or myself the way he has been.

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Idk why *scumGamma

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Here’s the thing, I started thinking, and the player that we would agree on as a compromise lynch, my go to person I was about to say was “I could do Dave.”

However...I feel like because I was about to say that without thinking, that he is a mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

I could be overthinking it.

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Let’s lynch Panth

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Or Maria

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Or FB

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VOTE: Panth

I’m VLA for the next 3 days, but I’ll still be posting, just might not be as easy to reach out.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll Lightning Rod after a scum flip.

Also, I can’t talk much right now, filming on a big movie set all weekend, currently simulated gunfire in a big expensive shot, but Maria is clearly scum trying to say the doctor hood’s at all an option here

[Flavor Leaf]

Absolutely do not like that Ank/Panth, even Kuribo wagon is super low right now

[Flavor Leaf]

Tinfoil of Ank/A50 Scum/Scum, which relies on one of the scum to die to get the LMS.

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Deb wagon feels like an end of the day compromise wagon.

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You wanna venge kill someone Nomnom?

Don’t have to say who.

I want it on your terms. I don’t feel like DEB flips scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Deb flips town, we’re in a terrible situation tomorrow.

Deb flips scum, scum are obviously bussing but that’s WIFOM, but we’d hit scum.

I just don’t think him ending up being the likely lynch right now 1 day before deadline is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m thinking A50/Panth/Maria/Dave team right now.

Fire/Ank can be subs, but A50 didn’t sit right the last few pages. He got Kuribo to push for him.

[Flavor Leaf]

This game had been a shameful display of incomprehensibly poor and anti town play. Whoever you town folks are, I am disappointed.

This coming from someone who hasn't been doing jack shit is amazing!

Hint: If you're too lazy to play, and the game is not fun for you, the very least you can do is SHUT UP and not complain people aren't changing your diapers for you.

This kind of looks like Scum/Scum to me. Ughhhhh.

[Flavor Leaf]

A guy I used to play with often took a list of everyone's reads to see who floated to the top.

If everyone could humour me for a bit, can you please fill in your top 3 scumreads? It doesn't necessarily have to be a 3-team solve... just 3 ppl who you scumread independently.

Ankamius -
Dr Easy Bake -
Flavor Leaf -
davesaz -
panthaleon -
MariaR -
Gammagooey -
kuribo -
Firebringer -
EspressoPatronum - nom/Ank/MariaR
Almost50 -
nomnomnom -

DEB/Ank/Panth

Today's tinfoil: EP is Scum collecting reads to decide on the NK.

Join us next week in a new tinfoil fresh out of the monkey's ass.

I have literally been pushing Panth the majority of this day phase, whilst arguing with Ankamius.

[Flavor Leaf]

Get off both of these wagons

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Highly highly scum controlled wagons.

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Gamma
Nomnom

Kuribo

Espresso
DEB

Ank
Firebringer

Davesaz
Almost50
MariaR
Panth

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Zero null

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Highly highly scum controlled wagons.

A50 is town

Nom is town


I'm town


Does not compute

Why is A50 town?

Also, you and Nomnom are 100% not in control of these wagons.

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If you’re town, you got hard played

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A50 has been arguing with Panth, but has done nothing to actually push them despite saying that they would.

On top of that, we’ve had 2 votes on Panth multiple times throughout this game, and A50 actively didn’t try to do anything with that.

A50/Panth is likely scum/scum which makes sense why Ank was under contention the majority of the day, and A50/Panth have nothing lied extremely low. Maria also came in pushing Ank a good amount of the day.

I’m not 100% on the last scum, but Dave makes sense to fill there based on Wagonomics.

[Flavor Leaf]

You know what, i don’t care about the team.

I’m gonna stick with A50/Panth Scum/Scum, and then keep individual scum reads.

Please lynch Panth.

[Flavor Leaf]

A50 has expressed his willingness to vote Panth as well. Call that bluff.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum is 100% controlling these wagons.

Also, Nomnom is the most obvtown fucker out here right now after unvoting DEB as the leading wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was about to go all Mad Max on y’all, and voting Nomnom going

“WITNESS ME!!!!”

[Flavor Leaf]

Yo FL if you were me where would you shoot

I don't wanna be pessimistic but it looks like time is against me

Me, tbh, but I’m saying that from your perspective.

Idk, just trust your gut in the moment. I’m sure nobody has an accurate solve with zero scum flips.

I can make a case for almost anyone in this game, and if they flip town, it just sucks, but it’s not damning.

Don’t shoot in Ank/A50 probably, because if you hit town in them, and there’s scum in there, I think that ends the game right there because they can just double kill EP and I.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ugh, no, because you’re gonna shoot me.

I’ll do it if I have to.

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I’d rather y’all just vote Panth.

VOTE: Nomnom

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re L-1.

Then vote Panth.

Deb is not scum.

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If both of you vote Panth, that’s 4 votes on him with me. A50 is forced to fight it or bus, which makes 5 ish.

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Your call. I’m going to go back to Panth soon.

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FUCK YEAH

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*bends down on one knee*

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I’m tying my shoe...

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I swear I was going. It just felt like the end to my story.

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I still think Maria/Ank isn’t out the question, but I’ve been feeling much better about Ank recently

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Whether she's scum or not i want you to know you've basically set panth up to spend the night being verbally abused

Panth is scum regardless.

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This game has come full circle.

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nomnomnom (7): Gammagooey, DEB, EspressoPatronum, Ankamius, Firebringer, Flavor Leaf, nomnomnom

I can actually see this being mostly if not all town.

Ank/Firebringer is where I’m thinking scum are, but I don’t think they both are.

I feel scum probably were staying off of Nomnom because fear of getting shot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Panth, Dave, A50 is where I’m at.

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Also, I feel like Dave has highest scum equity actually right now. I talked to EP about it last night.

Dave has a watcher shot, and we have a lightning rod, that could have been a scum death.

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Well, apparently there was confusion with who we targeted...

I said I wanted to doctor Gamma, and EP wanted to Dave, then I brought up reasons I didn’t want to protect Dave, the main being I thought he was scum, and if he were town, scum would expect us to doctor there, so I wanted Gamma. EP said that it was a good point, so I thought he came along doctoring Gamma with me.

I guess he voted Dave.

I just found this out post Day start, so recently.

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I said in my neighborhood Panth/Maria were lock towning each other, and pseudo towning Kuribo, but neither of them came out to defend Kuribo when he was getting pushed.

I believe you’re being pocketed if you are town. Not 100% on Panth, but yeah.

Doctors - all town
Commuters - all town? Idk FB could still be scum, but he’s no longer on my short list.
Roleblockers - scum confirmed. Could be a 2nd in Panth?
Loveds - this had a 3rd party in it. I could see scum there, but I’m thinking this is the town. I’m also thinking scum shot Gamma.
Vote stoppers - there’s probably a scum in here.
Dave hood - yeah, this is probably scum.

So yeah. There might only be 3 total scum in this game because of the 3rd party.

If there are 4 scum, then they essentially know everything in this game in the beginning.

I also started thinking about the Writers having outed public knowledge, and I think scum easily do that to try and setup a deepwolf scenario. A50/Ank can both be trusted deep wolf. I’m leaning A50 scum.

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You had Ank support, stop.

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Needs to do it now.

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I’m not loved so

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A50, ugh.

That’s the scummiest post I’ve ever seen, now’s not the time. I’m already waffling on your pancakes

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Gamma’s conf town unless you claimed to have commuted last night or not

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And for DEB to be scum, you have to believe essentially scum sacrificed Maria to save DEB. I know that’s not the full story, but I find it hard to believe scum save DEB and let Nomnom have a chance at shooting them.

You could tell near the end that scum was trying not to lynch Nomnom because of fear based on wagonomics.

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I think scum have to mislynch one of DEB/Gamma or this game’s done for them. EP and I are pretty much masons at this point, DEB is spewed town because of Maria scum, Gamma just got doc’d.

Scum have to keep options open.

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Tinfoil paranoia:

EP is scum who tried to make Dave conftown, and it backfired when I said I voted Gamma immediately, but this doesn’t end game because of our lightning rod and eventual death.

I don’t believe this at all, but it was one of those...fuuuuuuck moments.

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There’s also been a significant improvement in Daves’ play in the past like 8 months, that I’m not really sure if I trust myself ever town reading him right now. I used to be able to read him pretty accurately confidently.

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I mean, it conf town’s Gamma if you commuted.

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*if you didn’t commute

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We doctored him

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Lol, okay. As soon as my reads start to change on those 2 they come at me.

A50, I literally went from hard hard town reading you all game to scum reading you into my mislynch in Detective Penguin, so that whole giant post of yours is a misrep.

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@EP - you didn’t bring up the times i did the same thing I was referencing, but only those?

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That definition of conf is a lot looser than the one I use.
In a high stakes game like this one, deliberate no-kill to get "conf" is a tactic that should remain among the possible.
I'd be willing to call it likely town.

The No Kill wasn't meant to conf!Town anyone. At least that was not the primary motive. The main reason would be to keep the numbers at EVENS.

Why would evens help scum? I hate it when I’m on evens and scum.

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@nom if you think Ank and FB are scum, you should vote Ank today. We can free up A50 to vig, which forces scum to pick between dave, the doctors, and A50.

@EP - this was I think right before you posted about FL's potential slip post - were you talking with FL about voting elsewhere in the group topic or earlier that real life day that you remember? I'm leaning towards it making more sense that Maria was considering voting FL and pushing it (as she had indicated she might in her in-thread posts around then) and FL-scum wanting her to stay on Ank for now, but you're the one with the actual context to go along with it - you seemed pretty focused on Ank atm and I don't see why FL asks you to be on one of Ank/Maria there when you're already on them unless there is some indication of indecision or consideration of changing your vote there that FL would have seen.

My 5 posts before his potential slip were all 100% clear I was staying on Ank. FL was suggesting FB or nom as an alternative to Ank, but I told him I was staying on Ank. I said something to the effect of, 'at least with MariaR and nom there's some possibilities of them flipping town or scum... with Ank, it's 100% scum.'

Him telling me he needed my vote on Ank or Maria doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of me being so confident on my Ank read.

I’m kind of done explaining this stuff.

I’m town. Take it for what you will

[Flavor Leaf]

If you ever think scumMe doesn’t straight up right this for like 20 pages, well, then y’all can’t read me

[Flavor Leaf]

There is nothing to sort -- I'm unquestionably town.
I mean it exactly that way. Nothing confirmed here, not especially obvious even. But still, logically it is not something that can be questioned.
I would have expected you to treat the remaining member of my hood the same.
I'm the closest thing this game has to being a cop.
Like just, really? The role is confirmed, and you just don't fuck with the role ever.

The role is confirmed. You’re not.

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OK, but my question still stands (my "other" question): WHAT SCUM shoots in gooey/dave and passes on a 100% guaranteed to succeed kill on you/FL which will ALSO get them rid of the Doctor ability for good?

I mean, if I was Scum I would have 100% shot between FL/EP last night. Why did scum shoot elsewhere (or why did they holster)?

To me, shooting between EP/FL would have outweighed keeping the game at evens by far too.

I completely agree - FL and I are the optimal targets. Shooting outside of us is just delaying the inevitable.

One explanation could be that scum thinks we'll lynch within EP/FL.

Another explanation is that FL is scum and can't afford to kill me.

I’d have killed you in a heartbeat. I can talk myself out of a lightning rod use with scum partners.

Issue is...i don’t have a team helping me this game (well besides the occasional Jingle/SS comments)

Scum think they’re confident enough to take me on. I’ll VCA sometime.

[Flavor Leaf]

Current votecount

Flavor Leaf(2): Almost50, davesaz
davesaz (1): EspressoPatronum

Not Voting (7): Everybody Else
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is eventually.

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Given EP's post this page (#6798) this page you can consider my vote on FL too once Ank posts and everybody checks in. It'd be nice if DEB could like actually show up to play and look town one of these days but I don't think it's ever going to happen. panth would be nice to hear opinions from too.

I’m the reason you’re conftown and even EP’s not on me. Stop.

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I said I think we need your vote on Ank, Maria

Not Panth or FB.

2 separate posts. I didn’t look at it like that, but I guess I see why he’d call it out like that.

This is correct.

I interpreted this as meaning that FL's post in the hood was:

I think we need your vote on Ank, Maria

Followed by a separate post saying

Not Panth or FB.

I said that I think FL just put a comma instead of 'or' in the first post, and it's

probably

not a slip.
If we got to a point that there had to be scum in the EP/FL hood this would definitely point to FL. But I think it does not point to FL right now because I strongly doubt there is scum in that hood at all.

You're welcome to interpret it differently.

I went through all of his posts in my hood. Almost all of them used either a / or proper comma use to distinguish between people. Mind you, most of the game has been just him and me, so he hasn't had to direct a comment at someone in a long time. When Elements was alive, he made a post directing separate points at Elements and me. In that post, he ended the respective sentence with ", Elements." And ", EP."

There was one example of FL saying X, Y, Z with no proper punctuation. This adds some support to his claim that he intended to put panth in the list of Ank, Maria, panth, but then changed it after.

Add in the fact that (1) gobble is scumreading FL, (2) the doctors are still somehow alive, despite being the optimal targets, and (3) the strange MariaR pivot onto FL mentioned in the spoilers posts above.

Oh you did bring it up.

Also, you told me in the neighborhood Gobb thought I was town!

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And I was the first scum dead that game.

I’m not silly, I know that there’s benefits to evens and no killing, and I’ll even no kill when it makes sense, but why would I ever do that here when I was literally scum with you and said that.

I don’t like Evens. We HAD to do that there. What good does doing that here do? It confirms a townie because of the doctor claims.

If I’m scum, Gamma has to be scum with me, and furthering that further, Ank also would have to be scum with me because of the 1-shot.

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I’m the reason you’re conftown and even EP’s not on me. Stop.

Eh, there's a couple explanations of a no-kill that aren't the doc save on me, even assuming that both you and EP targeted me with it instead of just EP

frankly though I think the context of what EP was doing at the time making your ask for him weird at best + Maria flipping scum is pretty damning

especially considering that how hard Maria pushed for EP to die the whole game makes EP very, very likely town and if you disagree with that I'd like to hear why.

I actively STOPPED EP from getting killed.

I actively pushed for Maria to be killed.

Had I not been around, EP would have died. Full stop. Ask Ankamius on that one.

And no, there aren’t really other options for you to not have been the doc save.

Literally the only one out there would be Dave’s commute, which he is refusing to state, which means it’s you.

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Another reason A50 knows I am town and pushing a scum case on me, is he knows that scum me is extremely extremely consistent.

Town me is not. He learned this from OK2.

I know for a fact it wasn’t even a slip, but I slip as town more than I slip as scum, and I got lynched like twice for it last year.

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@FL: I have been Scum with you once too many, I suppose.
I also said I had seen this movie before, so I kinda can predict how you would act/respond.
If you want to get out of it, you probably need to have Jingle/S_S wrote your next few posts and you just copy and paste without editing. Jingle in particular seems to have a way of wiggling himself out of the most desperate of situations, and I don't have a "hands on" regarding how S_S Scum game goes.

How would I have “responded”?

You’re wrong here, though. I AM town.

I also don’t believe this is anything like my normal town or scum game, tbh, so I really really dont understand your post.

This is absolutely not like either of the scum games you were scum with me in.

I was the first to go down in Mafia A La Mode and the other one that just finished.

Also, I don’t believe I’ve been scum with you other than that, and I am drastically drastically different here than either of those 2 games.

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I went down Day 3 and Day 2 in those respective scum games with A50.

The Day 3 one was me going back and forth all game with everyone, and essentially on the defensive all game. That is not this game.

The Day 2 one, I just got guiltied.

He’s never been scum with me like he’s said to know how my scum game plays.

Also, the game he modded, I was Third Party, and thus playing alone.

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@Ankamius - I am not scum, save me

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I don’t have the energy so I’m throwing it to you

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You did the exact same thing to me in Detective Penguin, and I got lynched

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Me saying you’re wrong does not imply you are town.

You saying I’m scum is wrong regardless of your alignment, that’s incredibly nitpicky

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This is why I know you’re full of it right now.

You said you couldn’t find me pushing or scum reading Maria anywhere? Really? I haven’t even finished yet.

Maria, Dave, Kuribo, Pant, DV

Also means there’s likely a scum in this.

I "think" (but not sure) someone mentioned Maria/Vex (not Pant) in the same hood, so that makes kuribo/dave/DV the last hood. (Unless you made a mistake and one of them is with gooey/DEB or I made a faulty assumption and one is the third of Maria/Pant, or I dreamt the Maria/Pant thing in my sleep and saved it into my file while I was sleepwalking)

Maria/Pant could be in with one of the other 3 still, or they’re in with one of Fakran or Creature.

Maria/Panth I have little to no impressions of. They’re null for me right now.

This isn’t to say I don’t have a read on them. I do have a read on them, and it’s null. If that makes sense.

Maria’s probably a deepwolf

About the 'below outcome' who is likely to be scum in DV/Dave and are you pushing for there lynch rn?

This makes me feel Maria is scum with one of DV/Dave.

Okay, reevaluate readslist time, I’m not even completely sure where I’m at rn, so doing this in real time.

Almost50
Espresso
Kuribo
GammaGooey

DEB
Chennisden

Panthaleon
DeasVail

Davesaz
Ankamius
Firebringer
Nomnom

Maria

Interesting. I think if there are 3 scum, they’re all in my bottom 3 tiers. I also don’t think FB/Nom are ever S/S, and I do see a world where they are T/T.

Maria/Ank/DV? If 4 one of the commuters?

It feels like you’re chainsawing.

no

you're omgusing

How? I have a whole team played up, and I even went through the phase of calling you possible scum yesterday. And you weren’t even the top scum read. I feel you’ve been scum staying off of wagons that are gonna flip town, if that makes sense, and slow the gamestate down.

And then you come out and look like you’re trying completely to specifically try to stop us from town blocking, and now DeasVail is essentially more off the table.

I feel Maria/Ank/DV team is a valid take.

I can already tell you that AnkxEP and AnkxFL won't go anywhere lol

FL what do you think of Panth

Maria/Panth have been townlocking each other, but i don’t think they’re both scum.

I’m saying how I feel about the game right now, and you’re just shutting down

When the immediate response to me stating a scumread is this, I can't see it as a town response

And I already know it's impossible for me to win it, I'm not an idiot

Disengaging from the thread is the only move that doesn't lose

What’s your thoughts on Maria?

I don't case people.

I've openly said your reasons for flipping your reads are clearly opportunistic. Using neighborhood logic to base a scumread on someone is awful. You used that to flip a strong townread on me to your biggest scumread. That doesn't just happen randomly and I've seen no progression from you at all. When I tried to get in your head and see why you think the rb hood had scum I explained and got no answer in return. When we had that long talk you were 'surprised' my read didn't change on you. I fully believe that was your attempt at trying to make me townread you and when that didn't happen you changed your read. Combine that with my previous points and there you go. I wanted to see if I was wrong on you because you and fl are in the same hood so you're probably not both scum, so obviously I'm wrong. I don't know where, but this is a better outcome.

To be fair, both A50 and I are have been staying we think you’re a deepwolf, so I think it’s fair for him to scum read you.

EC is on board with a50/FL/EP as scum

But you said he had a HARD TOWN READ on me earlier. Now what exactly has changed in "less than one complete cycle"?

Said the same thing about me too. Those reads are completely flipped. Ankamius is just scum who had to shut us down.

Look at Maria right now.

The fact the wagon is going onto DV instead of one of the two of them is laughable.

That's a buzz word. You can literally call anyone in this playerlist a 'deep wolf' without context on why that's just useless shading. If you think I'm a deep wolf case why I'm scum.

I have used context. I use buzzwords, that’s like the premise of my town game. I even make up my own buzz words.

You’re pushing scum agenda, and now you just happened to come in when partnerAnkamius was getting scum read.

It's not discredit and shade when it's pure fact that you're just using useless buzzwords that mean nothing because you have no reasons to scumread me. You haven't voted me. You haven't voted who you think my partner is. Honestly if you did anything that made a little bit of sense maybe I could see this logically but you're just wasting my time. 'Deep wolf' nothing.

I don’t really vote until i feel it’s time to vote, because my votes are always catalysts for something. You can meta that. I sit on my vote for a while.

I’m clearly stating who I think is scum, I don’t need my vote to say it for me.

Just because my read is not up to your standards of fully explain or something along that line doesn't mean I haven't explained why you're scum in the past.

Ditto use transform

The fact you haven't voted me despite all the shade and useless stuff you've thrown at me the past few days speaks volumes that you're scared of committing. It's annoying, because one of you are probably town cause 2 scum in a doctor hood makes no sense. I want to find who that is but when neither of you are giving me much to work with it's kinda hard.

“Scared of committing”

Now, that’s completely town indicative of me if you think that.

I’m never afraid to commit as scum.

There’s no reason for scum to have scum reads and not vote. As town, there are plenty. I read off gamestate, and you guys are waiting for me to do something, it feels. Scum are forced because I’m executing the “Power of No”.

It’s driving you guys crazy that I’m not voting, and that’s exactly the point. I’m forcing this gamestate to stay how it is so it can go on longer and see how you guys struggle to change it.

Okay, reevaluate readslist time, I’m not even completely sure where I’m at rn, so doing this in real time.

Almost50
Espresso
Kuribo
GammaGooey

DEB
Chennisden

Panthaleon
DeasVail

Davesaz
Ankamius
Firebringer
Nomnom

Maria

Interesting. I think if there are 3 scum, they’re all in my bottom 3 tiers. I also don’t think FB/Nom are ever S/S, and I do see a world where they are T/T.

Maria/Ank/DV? If 4 one of the commuters?

It feels like you’re chainsawing.

no

you're omgusing

How? I have a whole team played up, and I even went through the phase of calling you possible scum yesterday. And you weren’t even the top scum read. I feel you’ve been scum staying off of wagons that are gonna flip town, if that makes sense, and slow the gamestate down.

And then you come out and look like you’re trying completely to specifically try to stop us from town blocking, and now DeasVail is essentially more off the table.

I feel Maria/Ank/DV team is a valid take.

I can already tell you that AnkxEP and AnkxFL won't go anywhere lol

FL what do you think of Panth

Maria/Panth have been townlocking each other, but i don’t think they’re both scum.

I’m saying how I feel about the game right now, and you’re just shutting down

When the immediate response to me stating a scumread is this, I can't see it as a town response

And I already know it's impossible for me to win it, I'm not an idiot

Disengaging from the thread is the only move that doesn't lose

What’s your thoughts on Maria?

I don't case people.

I've openly said your reasons for flipping your reads are clearly opportunistic. Using neighborhood logic to base a scumread on someone is awful. You used that to flip a strong townread on me to your biggest scumread. That doesn't just happen randomly and I've seen no progression from you at all. When I tried to get in your head and see why you think the rb hood had scum I explained and got no answer in return. When we had that long talk you were 'surprised' my read didn't change on you. I fully believe that was your attempt at trying to make me townread you and when that didn't happen you changed your read. Combine that with my previous points and there you go. I wanted to see if I was wrong on you because you and fl are in the same hood so you're probably not both scum, so obviously I'm wrong. I don't know where, but this is a better outcome.

To be fair, both A50 and I are have been staying we think you’re a deepwolf, so I think it’s fair for him to scum read you.

EC is on board with a50/FL/EP as scum

But you said he had a HARD TOWN READ on me earlier. Now what exactly has changed in "less than one complete cycle"?

Said the same thing about me too. Those reads are completely flipped. Ankamius is just scum who had to shut us down.

Look at Maria right now.

The fact the wagon is going onto DV instead of one of the two of them is laughable.

That's a buzz word. You can literally call anyone in this playerlist a 'deep wolf' without context on why that's just useless shading. If you think I'm a deep wolf case why I'm scum.

I have used context. I use buzzwords, that’s like the premise of my town game. I even make up my own buzz words.

You’re pushing scum agenda, and now you just happened to come in when partnerAnkamius was getting scum read.

It's not discredit and shade when it's pure fact that you're just using useless buzzwords that mean nothing because you have no reasons to scumread me. You haven't voted me. You haven't voted who you think my partner is. Honestly if you did anything that made a little bit of sense maybe I could see this logically but you're just wasting my time. 'Deep wolf' nothing.

I don’t really vote until i feel it’s time to vote, because my votes are always catalysts for something. You can meta that. I sit on my vote for a while.

I’m clearly stating who I think is scum, I don’t need my vote to say it for me.

Just because my read is not up to your standards of fully explain or something along that line doesn't mean I haven't explained why you're scum in the past.

Ditto use transform

The fact you haven't voted me despite all the shade and useless stuff you've thrown at me the past few days speaks volumes that you're scared of committing. It's annoying, because one of you are probably town cause 2 scum in a doctor hood makes no sense. I want to find who that is but when neither of you are giving me much to work with it's kinda hard.

“Scared of committing”

Now, that’s completely town indicative of me if you think that.

I’m never afraid to commit as scum.

There’s no reason for scum to have scum reads and not vote. As town, there are plenty. I read off gamestate, and you guys are waiting for me to do something, it feels. Scum are forced because I’m executing the “Power of No”.

It’s driving you guys crazy that I’m not voting, and that’s exactly the point. I’m forcing this gamestate to stay how it is so it can go on longer and see how you guys struggle to change it.

It’s driving you guys crazy that I’m not voting, and that’s exactly the point. I’m forcing this gamestate to stay how it is so it can go on longer and see how you guys struggle to change it.

YOU MEAN THE GAMESTATE THAT MADE US LYNCH ONLY TOWN AND WE WERE ABOUT TO LYNCH A THIRD-I

dear lord.

You just scum slip? Because this gamestate shows that EP is likely to get lynched.

And if you’re talking about Ankamius, then you admit as a scum team you are feeling pressure’d.

EP, good case.

I also town read Kuribo, and feel like Panth/Maria has been odd af, and that’s because Maria grossly pocketed Panth (not saying that’s actually gross, that’s good scum play)

Maria and Ank are just mad because Maria was supposed to go the distance.

like you fucking sound ilke you're sitting down to have a friendly debate

with somebody who you're saying is attacking your towncore

Yeah, I’m friendly. Someone just recently called me one of the least toxic players on site. Idk if I agree with that, but I get where they’re coming from. I don’t take scum reads personally like others do. It’s a game, you’re supposed to scum read people to win.

If you’re town, I even understand why you’re pushing me here. You’re just wrong. If you’re scum, I understand the exact motivation of you pushing me here too. Our townblock was bad for scum. I know it was. It was slowly becoming more of a thing, and we were calling Maria scum, something that hasn’t happened as much.

Maria was ready for me to scum read her too. I have a really good track record of reading scum her. (We haven’t actually played that much, but I remember tunneling her on Elena correctly amongst a few others.)

really FL

I know you as being willing to throw things OUT there when you feel strongly about something

and yet you're just not.

The thing is, Ank, I’m not even pushing to lynch you here. You’re acting like I had a foregone conclusion that you were scum, when I’m much more confident on ScumMaria.

This is exactly why I didn’t want to push ScumMaria right now because she’s the fucking deepwolf. Deepwolf is always protected. I know how that works, I’ve been it a lot.

Can even Maria be called a deep wolf if everyone always has a little bit of suspicion of her being the deep wolf

Depends who her partners are, tbh.

Actually, maybe it doesn’t.

If Maria has a good team, she can deepwolf.

If Maria has a bad team, she has to deepwolf.

It depends on who you think her partners would be.

Also, does anybody believe that the DEB wagon is all town, including DEB?

Let’s talk about that for a second.

Ankamius made that statement, and then made the scum team of A50/EP/Myself, right? She said A50 was who she was strongest about, but then started pushing EP, then me.

Also, she acts as if it’s ridiculous for the three of us, who were strongly town reading each other, to think she’s scummy for making that scum team list. We even discussed it with each other. This happened after A50 and I pushed Maria as scum a bit. And then after we start discussing Ankamius, not even really pushing her, we were discussing, Maria comes in and comes after us too.

VOTE: MariaR

Well, let’s do this, I guess.

When I die, lynch Maria and Ankamius, please

If Nom was scum, I’d be super confident about it at this point, I feel, and her reaction towards this current situation has been townie, which raises my suspicion on Firebringer.

Maria/Ank/DV + FB if there is a fourth.

you pushed it as me pushing a scumteam when I indicated multiple times in that same post that I wasn't and needed more to be confident in pushing a solve

then after a bunch of posts you pushed a nom/me scum dichotomy

literally me and the person I had just derailed a wagon on

and this isn't fucking weird to you?

Did I push a Nom/You scum team?

I don’t think I did...Maria/You, sure, but I think that’s fair since I scum read Maria. If I did, I forgot.

Maybe you have a point, and I’m pocketed by EP, but even if EP is scum, they’re scum with Maria.

Maria/Ank/DV

I think it was ridiculous that panth became someone that people suspected with MariaR strongly vouching for the slot being town and there being very little in the way of explanation for why the things that made people upset with panth actually would come from scum.

I was specifically stating 1 of them were scum, not both.

Also, DV is pandering at the end, looks like clever distancing from Maria.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maria probably told scum to push me the next day

[Flavor Leaf]

I lost my place so i think i requoted a couple.

Regardless, you’re full of it saying you couldn’t find a single time I pushed Maria as scum.

you pushed it as me pushing a scumteam when I indicated multiple times in that same post that I wasn't and needed more to be confident in pushing a solve

then after a bunch of posts you pushed a nom/me scum dichotomy

literally me and the person I had just derailed a wagon on

and this isn't fucking weird to you?

Did I push a Nom/You scum team?

I don’t think I did...Maria/You, sure, but I think that’s fair since I scum read Maria. If I did, I forgot.

Maria/Ank/DV

I think it was ridiculous that panth became someone that people suspected with MariaR strongly vouching for the slot being town and there being very little in the way of explanation for why the things that made people upset with panth actually would come from scum.

I was specifically stating 1 of them were scum, not both.

Also, DV is pandering at the end, looks like clever distancing from Maria.

Also note Maria’s absence from this wagon after calling DV scum most of this game

And before anyone goes “scummy shutting down discussion” i waited until he posted his last stuff, and I didn’t even have to do it because Panth stated he’d hammer by deadline, which is in a day.

Main thing I should have waited for was to see if Maria would do anything, but she was probably just lurking out to try and not have to explain being off the wagon.

Finally Maria and Ankamius can stop whining about how “bad town’s been doing”.

Maria’s scum, the sooner you guys realize it, the better

Question:

Do you guys think that Maria would be scum read as scum?

I think FL is pretending to be convinced I was scum when that doesn't even make any sense based on what his read of me was.

My scum read on you?

I’ve literally been stating all day the team is Maria/Ank/DV with one of Nom/FB, probably FB if there’s 4 scum

This looks like you’re trying to fake scum theatre with me

Guess who wasn’t on it even though she’s been pushing them as scum for days.

Maria.

Don’t let her use her not being on it as an excuse if I’m dead.

It makes sense for scum to kill one of EP/Myself tonight, so commuters, please try to commute one of us.

If scum take one of us out tonight, then lynch the other tomorrow, they get rid of our ability to automatically block a kill.

Maria, Panth, Ank is probably the scum team. Maybe DEB instead of Panth.

I feel like I’m being setup to go down.

I think EP and I both die in the next couple phases, and scum end games.

@EC - like, I get it. I’m a scum read, but who would my partners be? EP is like my only assistance this game, and you know from experience that I need the support system or I go down. You and I during our scum team games, we were extremely paired up.

If your slot is town, I could see a Maria, Dave, A50, and one of the commuters team. Does that look completely out of the realm of possibility?

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@EC - like, I get it. I’m a scum read, but who would my partners be? EP is like my only assistance this game, and you know from experience that I need the support system or I go down. You and I during our scum team games, we were extremely paired up.

If your slot is town, I could see a Maria, Dave, A50, and one of the commuters team. Does that look completely out of the realm of possibility?

Building complicated worlds is a waste of time right now, since nom3's flip has a big effect on the game.

I really don't care enough to go back through nom's associatives right now. But, from what I can remember, nom3 being scum looks worse for you and better for Panth/Gamma, as a quick example. She fits in some worlds, but ignoring that:

You can be scum with the following players: Almost50, Kuribo, Davesaz, maybe EspressoPatronum if your neighborhood has two scum, maybe Gamma? There's probably more, but I haven't started a deep solve for partners.

My immediate thought after seeing the flip was that Almost50 killed Chennisden to start looking towards getting that vigilante shot, especially since Chenn and Ank were both hard aligned.

The other immediate thought I had yesterday was that you (as in Flavor Leaf) were discrediting Ank yesterday without commiting to a messy hard push, and that you would lolhammer regardless of your alignment, but that you would also be more likely to do it as scum since you already know you can get away with doing it.

I don't think a MariaR team is impossible, which I tried to express in my earlier posts. I'm just currently thinking there's one scum between you two (FL and MariaR), leaning you currently.

Sorry if anything got lost during the paraphrasing.

Jingle also thinks it was poor of Ank pushing where she did, and I know at least 50% of it is wrong now, probably at least 75% because I don’t think EP is scum, and I’m not shy to hard push. Actually, i did hard push yesterday. I was stating a hard Maria and Ank team, but I wanted Maria first.

If your slot is scum, then fine, I get why you’re setting me up, but if you’re town, you’re wrong on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I’m being setup to go down.

I think EP and I both die in the next couple phases, and scum end games.

[Flavor Leaf]

@EC - like, I get it. I’m a scum read, but who would my partners be? EP is like my only assistance this game, and you know from experience that I need the support system or I go down. You and I during our scum team games, we were extremely paired up.

If your slot is town, I could see a Maria, Dave, A50, and one of the commuters team. Does that look completely out of the realm of possibility?

Like past FL is so good

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no support system if I were scum, something that just straight up doesn’t happen.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I’m being setup to go down.

I think EP and I both die in the next couple phases, and scum end games.

@EC - like, I get it. I’m a scum read, but who would my partners be? EP is like my only assistance this game, and you know from experience that I need the support system or I go down. You and I during our scum team games, we were extremely paired up.

If your slot is town, I could see a Maria, Dave, A50, and one of the commuters team. Does that look completely out of the realm of possibility?

Like past FL is so good

These 2 prove me correct from early in the day yesterday even.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, A50 pushes Maria way weaker than I did yet is trying to act like they knew it all along, because they did.

[Flavor Leaf]

nomnomnom (7): Gammagooey, DEB, EspressoPatronum, Ankamius, Firebringer, Flavor Leaf, nomnomnom

I can actually see this being mostly if not all town.

Ank/Firebringer is where I’m thinking scum are, but I don’t think they both are.

I feel scum probably were staying off of Nomnom because fear of getting shot.

When you quoted this, you pulled it completely out of context, and omitted the part that I thought this wagon could be all town.

I’m actually leaning more towards this being all town than not, but I said if there is scum in here, it’s in Ank/FB, not that I think they are scum, because they’re down to like my #4/5 slot, if that even.

You completely misrepped this post in your write up.

Panth, Dave, A50 is where I’m at.

I clearly said this the post right after too.

[Flavor Leaf]

And that’s when you and Dave magically “lost” the town read on my slot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fair.

I’m still town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Y’all can shoot me when one of you get a Vig shot.

The 2 of you along with EP/Myself don’t live until end game, so you pushing right now seems like you’re hard going for a mislynch so you don’t have to shoot

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t understand any of the Mafia A La Mode quotes as cases. What do any of those have to do in this game?

You straight up said you couldn’t find where I was pushing Maria.

I quoted for you.

I do posts like that as scum because I do it as town, so you’re not really pushing anything, which is why I feel like you’re scum trying to fluff up a case

[Flavor Leaf]

You also have to take out the fact that I wouldn’t be aware of townYou if I were scum, which doesn’t make sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t really know how you want me to respond. I know I’m town, so I just know nothing you're pushing means anything.

Okay, it happened. What now? I was scum there, I’m town here.

[Flavor Leaf]

What do OU mean no real push. That’s how I push people. Then I case, and take associations and mix it with gamestate.

[Flavor Leaf]

And if you think that’s scum indicative, then look back at the same exact game you’ve been pushing.

I HARD pushed Ben. So don’t draw facts and then be picky and choosy just when it’s convenient for whatever you’re pushing. You are leaving town out because it would actually exonerate me because the games are Night and Day.

[Flavor Leaf]

@FL: I'm not interested in seeing self-centered stuff. Try posting like it's not about you.

Don’t care, this doesn’t make me scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

When A50 stops misrepping I’ll stop on talking about me

[Flavor Leaf]

I have over 1100 posts this game, you can look at analysis within that.

[Flavor Leaf]

He’s straight up lying and contradicting pushes when it’s convenient

[Flavor Leaf]

This is straight up actually talking about A50 through way of me, don’t get it twisted

[Flavor Leaf]

@FL: I'm not interested in seeing self-centered stuff. Try posting like it's not about you.

That’s why this post is extremely bad.

I’m literally talking in replies to A50 in turn calling out A50’s posts that he is misrepping. This is nothing but a hard discredit attempt.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I literally play the game through MY perspective, and remember what I’VE done, and see how people have reacted to ME. Why would I never not use that? That’s just silly.

I comment on associations and NKA and VCA too, and general gamestate.

Don’t pointlessly shade when I’m replying to someone and calling them out on their misrep.

[Flavor Leaf]

You are actively avoiding conf‘ing Gamma, you have a goldmine Watcher combination with Lightning Rod you’ve never even attempted to bring up, even though it could catch a scum (i brought this up with EP last night).

You also switched on me when it was entirely convenient for you to do so.

[Flavor Leaf]

You also have to take out the fact that I wouldn’t be aware of townYou if I were scum, which doesn’t make sense.

*would

[Flavor Leaf]

You also have to take out the fact that I wouldn’t be aware of townYou if I were scum, which doesn’t make sense.

Of course you were not aware of "Town!Me" in that game. I was right there with you in the Scum PT.

And the quotes prove you treated maria the way you treated me (your partner) there. Lots of noise.. lots of FoS whenever convenient, but

no real push

Which proves here you’re just trying to be a devil’s advocate type

[Flavor Leaf]

[...]

Add in the fact that (1) gobble is scumreading FL, (2) the doctors are still somehow alive, despite being the optimal targets, and (3) the strange MariaR pivot onto FL mentioned in the spoilers posts above.

Oh you did bring it up.

Also, you told me in the neighborhood Gobb thought I was town!

Gobble told me to lie to you in the hood about his SR on you so you wouldn't kill me last night. He said that if you knew he was scumreading you, you'd kill me asap.

The cat's out of the bag now.

I’d have killed you anyways because it would mean you wouldn’t bring back up the not actual slip

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m not scum.

I don’t have time to post much today, maybe tonight.

Don’t hammer until I come back.

Also, Dave’s full of it if he thinks that was panicky. If I panic as scum, I never show it in the game thread.

Y’all have said I’ve scum slipped before, but I’ve also notoriously scum slipped as Town much more than I have as scum, and this wasn’t even a slip.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think flavor is town because I don’t think scum would give nom the gun when nom was wanting to shoot flavor

I don't think nom was particularly suspicious of Flavor at the end of d3/beginning of night 3, she was pushing on you primarily (from a quick skim)

This is false.

It was a big topic of conversation yesterday about how I was the most likely venge shot too

[Flavor Leaf]

Probably a lot, but didn’t make it not true. I was supposed to die last phase. I tempted fate.

Ankamius, A50’s scum.

Lynch him, and if I’m wrong, shoot me. We can protect you, which would automatically give you 2 Vig shots.

[Flavor Leaf]

Outwardly.

Don’t look at surface level.

Well, then idk who scum is, because I’m not fucking scum

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, idgaf anymore. Lynch me.

I’ve been doing more work in this game than anyone else, but because I’m some NEXT LEVEL SCUM, y’all BoP.


Who’s the only one who had a correct scum read this entire game? Oh yeah, me.

I was completely against an Elements wagon, which majority of players were going to go after him, so don’t “but modkill” me.

I was on Creature/Volxen, sure, 3rd party, but still, just bringing it up for clarity’s sake.

I was the hammer on DV and Nom.

Literally not one of my pushes have gone through, and if anyone thinks that’s something that happens with a Maria/FL team, get real.

[Flavor Leaf]

Call it what it is, this is a fucking Policy Lynch because people are afraid of ScumFL whooping all over them.

This slip is shit, and post game it’ll prove that this was a PL because of it.

Why wasn’t it given more focus yesterday then?

I had flat out been saying for days Maria was scum, and people just now start to do this?

Why do I CONFIRM GAMMAGOOEY.

I catch ScumMaria every single same time I play with ScumHer.

[Flavor Leaf]

What? I stopped scum reading you halfway through yesterday.

[Flavor Leaf]

And ironically, when I voted MariaR and told you to vote her and put your money where your mouth was, your vote was conspicuously absent.

Very strange.

My votes don’t mean shit. You guys actively have been stopping voting anyone I vote for all game.

My words > vote, and that’s how I always play. I sit on Not Voting a lot or on my own wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not fucking newScum, why the hell wouldnt I abuse VCA.

[Flavor Leaf]

There are so many objectively defining reasons that I am town, and only tinfoil theories about why I would be scum, but why the hell do any of that shit as scum.

This wagon on me proves that everyone in this game is fucking terrified of getting caught by me if they’re scum, or getting whooped by me if they’re town.

You can say whatever you like, but the fact of the matter is I know that I am town, which makes all these theories of yours flat out wrong.

Sure, those are scenarios.

They’re not scenarios here, this is a PL.

And out of A50’s scum range? What’s out of his scum range, because I don’t even think he’s playing extraordinarily well as scum here.

To me, he’s blatantly obvious scum who saw my wheels were turning and I was starting to scum read him, so he made a play.

He’s also barely been active throughout the high activity parts of the game, and yesterday he even clearly was pleading the fifth.

He was also pushing Maria BEHIND me rather than actually adding pressure, so if you wanna use that crappy reasoning, use it on him too

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly FL, I don't need to read you.

I have enough confident townreads as it is.

And you’re wrong on some or scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guarantee you, following your path, scum will win, and whether that makes you bad town or scum here, same ending.

I feel it’s the former because A50 is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunno why you keep saying that, no clue what you’re talking about tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

If that’s something I was saying during a certain time of yesterday, you’re majorly overexaggerating

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly Idgaf, just know y’all have been trash this game (town, scum’s been semi decent)

Policy lynch Day 4.

[Flavor Leaf]

And people wonder how I can sweep people as scum

[Flavor Leaf]

“I don’t get why people keep losing to FL scum” been hearing it for 4+ years from paragon level contenders, yet I woop them everytime too.

[Flavor Leaf]

People like to talk about my scum game, but my town game is unmatched. Might not like the way I get there, but you can’t say I don’t go over every option, that I don’t actively try to work with people, that I don’t actively try and consider the fact that I could be wrong at any point during the day.

I’m a heel now, so I can say with the utmost confidence, that my town game is unparalleled.

[Flavor Leaf]

This game proves it.

People are just afraid of ScumFL because “can’t let FL get away with it! Worth losing the game over to make sure.”

[Flavor Leaf]

My mislynch has been getting setup for multiple days EXACTLY like it was in Detective Penguin, which ALSO was a neighborhood all around game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Every single day phase has started with people coming after me. Every single day.

This does not happen when I am scum on any account not named Morality.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, at anyone who ever puts FB and myself as a scum team yet actively made Nom vengeful

[Flavor Leaf]

FB and I were the 2 most likely shots to be made by Nomnom.

That’s essentially risking one of us dying at the cost of DEB, if you’re implying DEB also scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

People keep saying that but I wanted Maria dead, but I was pushing Panth, FB at the time.

Gamestate wise for reactions I wanted to stay on Panth, but wanted a Maria, Ank lynch.

Also, I don’t have to state any of that stuff. I do it because I want to, and it helps pronounce my heel run.

[Flavor Leaf]

The thing is, y’all are bringing this stuff up a day and a half too late, which shows you only started to care when you needed ammo for a mislynch somewhere.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m talking to general scum here, not whoever has been posting.

[Flavor Leaf]

I catch more consistent scum than anyone else on site.

[Flavor Leaf]

FB and I were the 2 most likely shots to be made by Nomnom.

That’s essentially risking one of us dying at the cost of DEB, if you’re implying DEB also scum.

I mean you were but I wasn’t
Nom didn’t suspect me until like half way through yesterday which was after she got the venge

So I am not really ruled out as a suspect based on that

Though I still find it hard to swallow anyone who thinks scum!me would give up the venge. But that’s a different argument

But you at least agree that I was. It makes zero sense for me to do that either, yet we’re being pushed as a scum team now, which would mean not only was I bussing Maria, I would have to have been bussing you for a good amount of time too. I was hard pushing GIF slot Day 1, some Day 2, and called you scum the majority of a Day 3.

[Flavor Leaf]

I might have gotten the phases wrong, i keep forgetting we’re in day 5 not 4.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a theory A50 could be town pushing me because he can’t have scumMe winning, so he’s pushing this nonsensically to cover the bases, but I’m not scum.

Which also makes it a clear policy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Funny how Ank’s slip gets thrown under the rug, but the one proposed at me gets resurfaced for no reason.

Maria flipping scum changed nothing, I’d been telling you guys that from the beginning.

Also, there’s zero reason for me to keep EP around if I was scum in that situation.

I had it completely setup if I were scum for EP to die out, then not use the Lightning Rod. Sure, that could out as scum, but do you seriously not think I’d give it a good run with my money to set up whatever team I’d be with in that scenario to assure?

Like my scum partners would have to had some major scum theatre going in this game to think that’s happening.

Ankamius is like the only player who makes sense to be scum with me in that regards, and I’m lean town there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol show me my slip.

I didn’t agree with your slip. Stop, you already know what it is, it was a big topic of discussion yesterday and you actively acknowledged it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t act like I was the only one who got pushed for a slip yesterday. It was 2 of us

[Flavor Leaf]

The thing is, y’all are bringing this stuff up a day and a half too late, which shows you only started to care when you needed ammo for a mislynch somewhere.

so am i conf town or not

(I'm not but don't try to appeal to me saying that I am and then say shit like this after)

The only way you’re not conf town is if Dave commuted last night. Or EP is scum lying, which yeah...

from my POV, you’re conftown.

How are you not conf?

They can say that you’re scum with me, and I was trying to get you to be able to deepwolf, but other than that, you’re conf town.

You know this isn’t the case, and I know this isn’t the case.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like you literally haven’t comprehended anything that’s happened in the past 2 or 3 day phases, and you don’t realize it.

[Flavor Leaf]

In my massclaim, I said the lightning rod is X-shot. FL and I specifically talked about doing this in our hood to make it seem stronger + thus more of a threat to scum.

MASSCLAIM:
Hood: Leading Actors
Members: EP, FL, X Elements
Power: Doctor
LMS: X-shot lightning rod

So, @Ank, how did you know it was a 1-shot

before

anyone in the thread mentioned it?

RED ALERT

Please finish the massclaim:

Almost50 - Ankamius - Chennisden

- Vote Remove / Vigilante

Elements - EspressoPatronum - Flavor Leaf

- Doctor / 1shot Lightning Rod

Firebringer - nomnomnom - Volpe14

- Commuter / Vengeful

Kuribo - MariaR - Panthaleon

- Roleblocker / ???

Dr Easy Bake - Gammagooey - Volxen

- ??? / ???

Davesaz - Deasvail - Farkran

- Inventor / ???

Basically everything is out already so there's no reason to just leave the rest unclaimed

(this message from EC)

Good catch! Good catch indeed!!

The problem is this has like 1163 different explanations!

Like, Scum!Ank slipped? She either knew it from you (EP) or from FL... OR made a logical deduction (how many shots does a Lightening Rod usually get anyway??), or it was mentioned in the Scum PT with NEITHER FL/EP being Scum, or it was her skimming and not paying much attention... etc.

These are all possible. It's also possible that scum has individual powers akin to the revealing powers.

I'm not so much concerned which specific scenario gave her the information, rather than the fact that she had the information before it was public knowledge.

She had the chance to tell us, but she instead decided to deflect by joking and then deflect again onto EC.

Town!Ank ALSO could've skimmed and made that assumption, or could have deduced it. She obviously would not have learned about it from either of FL/EP nor would she have read in the Scum PT, but she could also be making a WRONG assumption and you really are X shot (where X > 1, which is unlikely but theoretically valid).

Oh, wait! It could have been from her TEAM PT (and it still could be Town or Scum).

I'll spare you what the other 1153 explanations are for now (saving some space and time), but to sum it all up.. this is NAI. (Note: NAI as IT COULD BE TRUE IR IT COULD BE FALSE).

You're right... It could be NAI. It could also be a scum slip.

In light of several other reasons to scumread Ank - many of which I've outlined in past posts - I think it's a scum slip.

My question here is: WHAT DO SCUM GAIN FROM A LIGHTNING ROD ABILITY?? Do they want to redirect the kill unto themselves?? If so, WHY THE HELL DID THEY SABOTAGE THE COMMUTER HOOD BEFOREHAND? It was their ONLY way to survive without being sus as hell. (Note: FL declared he won't be using the ability and it does look bad on him of he doesn't die either way).

Still, I don't think the designers decided to factor in precisely THAT, and thus still think EP/FL are both Town, hence Ank could not have learned about the 1-shot thing from either, and thus it still is bloody NAI in my book.

What if she learned it by other means?

P.S. I could very much bend my narrative ANYWAY you like me to. I mean, Yes.. Ank is Scum with FL and you can reread the whole game and find a load of fitting evidence. Or you can assume Ank is Town and EP is Scum trying to capitalize on an honest mistake and you still could find enough evidence to support the case too.

Do you think all of my other posts outlining Ank's scumminess are disingenuous?

Now another question: Why would Scum want to give ME the Vig shot?? I don't think ANYONE would be able to guess whom I might shoot (not even I tbh) at this point.

So, you see.. this -and more- is all going through my head, and I don't know what to do!

These are all great considerations. You could also ask yourself why town wants you to get the vig. To answer that, I suggest you shoot nom.

Shooting nom nullifies the risk of scum!nom venge killing someone, but it opens us to the risk of town!nom losing a venge kill on potential scum.

As it stands, my team and I think you're far more likely town than nom, so I'd rather give you the choice to kill than nom.

@Ank - you seriously trying to play dumb about EP pushing you yesterday?

I didn’t agree with the scum slip because it required me or EP to be scum as well bar an ability.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I don’t agree with it, but knowing I’m town and people being nit picky and not really reading is just something I thought of.

[Flavor Leaf]

The thing is, y’all are bringing this stuff up a day and a half too late, which shows you only started to care when you needed ammo for a mislynch somewhere.

I’m talking to general scum here, not whoever has been posting.

Also, Gamma, read please.

I clearly posted here implying I straight up didn’t mean you.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s literally the post right after because I realized you were going to see it as you, that’s the entire point of the post

[Flavor Leaf]

Now do analysis with the knowledge of me flipping town.

Even if you don’t believe it, humor it for now

[Flavor Leaf]

I won a scum game with you years back, on Boonskiies, spam posting is just how I play. I’m a mobile player.

Ask DEB how my text messages are. I’m the same exact way.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also?!?!? I HAVENT DUMPED A LOT OF EFFORT AND EMOTION INTO THIS GAME?!?!

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t kill the most town read players

[Flavor Leaf]

I hope you fucks are satisfied with that

I wanted to go to bed an hour ago and I spent that time typing up word vomit instead

It’s solid, but it’s wrong and all goes under the assumption that I’m scum.

There’s absolutely no preparations for going into tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s fair.

I like that analysis, even though it’s not correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s fair.

I like that analysis, even though it’s not correct.

This is to Mr. Bells.

Not the 13 year old grandma

[Flavor Leaf]

We can lynch DEB today.

[Flavor Leaf]

That self-centered reaction is totally uninteresting to me.

But I’m keeping this

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer literally mentioned in like last page. Wasn’t just me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer literally mentioned in like last page. Wasn’t just me.

Yesterday is what matters.

He did

Like it legit wasn’t just me, stop acting like it was

[Flavor Leaf]

I am town. :/

[Flavor Leaf]

Looks like I’m going down, so I’m gonna give final reads in case I don’t get to post anymore.


Gamma - annoyingly conf town, but doesn’t realize he isn’t if I were scum here. He becomes conf town after I flip.
Firebringer - his defense of me makes zero sense coming from scum

EP - just weird if he’s scum, it would have to be a masterful scum game by him, and I don’t think it is.

Ankamius - a lot of No u nope discrediting, but I feel like scum were abusing her all game. I also think A50 has much higher scum equity than she does, so I’m leaning A50 over her for her neighborhood.

DEB - barely played, bad shift, using opportunity to hop onto me with his “always can vote FL” shtick. Bad gimmick.
Panthaleon - hard pushed Nomnom, Maria and Panth were town reading entire hood, but only protecting each other.

Kuribo - Xtoxm should never read me as scum here. Point blank. This is probably scum who was pocketing me throughout, more of a I jumped in their pocket kinda deal. Xtoxm should see I’m town here, as should Skitter on A50’s team, so those are also reasons as to why I think these 2 are scum right now. It also makes sense to fuel the fire between FL vs Ank for days.

Davesaz - refuses to claim because I think it confirms Gamma as town. Him not claiming actively keeps Gamma in the mix, and after everything is done tomorrow, he can lie about what actions he used OR he can claim a guilty, likely fake if he is scum.
Almost50 - misrepped and hard discredited and essentially lied when casing. This was right after I had started to turn on A50, which makes me feel they felt they were going down, and then had a golden opportunity to shift it on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

You did it first, what you talking about

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re literally voting me

[Flavor Leaf]

No u

[Flavor Leaf]

Y’all, I’m gonna flip town, and you go into tomorrow with the doctor hood dead, something we all already knew didn’t have scum in them.

This is EXACTLY what I said was going to happen, and post game, you will hear about this more

[Flavor Leaf]

Hindsight will show following Flavor would have won the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mistaken.

I’ve said that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unless he’s masterful scum here, which I don’t think he is.

[Flavor Leaf]

No?

A50/Dave have most scum equity to me right now, followed by Kuribo, Panth, DEB.

Kuribo/Panth arent S/S, someone’s pocketing the other. A50 could just be straight up wrong town, Dave’s likely scum based on not confirming Gamma as town, and DEB’s abused the “FL always scum” thing

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t discount her as scum, but she’s higher up.

Only people atm I’ve discounted are Gamma/Fire (but not really, only because they’d have to be hoping for some bonus points after I flip, but it worked on me, but I’m dying), then EP.

Anyone under EP can be scum to me in at lest a couple worlds

[Flavor Leaf]

26- Maria wants to block dave, also suggests DV.

This adds more strength to the RB/inventor theory. Verrry suspicious that she picked two of the inventors to block.

Pushing me, but saying this implies Dave/Myself as scum.

Which means Dave would have had to be bussing me for a day and a half to start this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kuribo/Panth arent S/S, someone’s pocketing the other.

So am I pocketing him by verbally abusing him to the point of him threatening to report me? Or is he pocketing me by calling me scum in a way that personally angered me?

Both. I don’t have the exact neighborhood stuff, obviously, but y’all came into this day phase all buddy buddy right after Maria died.

Which I guess is semi fair after a scum flip in the neighborhood.

[Flavor Leaf]

26- Maria wants to block dave, also suggests DV.

This adds more strength to the RB/inventor theory. Verrry suspicious that she picked two of the inventors to block.

Pushing me, but saying this implies Dave/Myself as scum.

Which means Dave would have had to be bussing me for a day and a half to start this game.

No, this implies Dave+Maria as scum.

I think you're scum for reasons not attached to the RB/inventor theory.

Which implies Dave, FL, Maria.

This point, doesn’t matter if it’s individual, it’s still there. If you think I’m scum in the same game you think Dave, Maria are scum, by definition, that is you think Fl and Dave are scum scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

[Flavor Leaf]

Confirmed town is one step below lock town, the only thing above lock town is mech cleared town, or IC.

[Flavor Leaf]

26- Maria wants to block dave, also suggests DV.

This adds more strength to the RB/inventor theory. Verrry suspicious that she picked two of the inventors to block.

Pushing me, but saying this implies Dave/Myself as scum.

Which means Dave would have had to be bussing me for a day and a half to start this game.

No, this implies Dave+Maria as scum.

I think you're scum for reasons not attached to the RB/inventor theory.

Which implies Dave, FL, Maria.

This point, doesn’t matter if it’s individual, it’s still there. If you think I’m scum in the same game you think Dave, Maria are scum, by definition, that is you think Fl and Dave are scum scum.

This reasoning is among the most terrible logic I've ever seen.

1 + 2 = 3

I’m the 1, they’re the 2. You can’t make 3 without the 2 and the 1.

You straight up can’t say “I think Maria and Dave are the scum team.” “I think Flavor Leaf is scum alongside Maria who has flipped!”

Oh, but Dave and FL aren’t scum together.

Like come on, stop being surface level, it’s not that hard here

[Flavor Leaf]

By the way, why did you vote DEB?

I’m in an anyone but me mindset that isn’t in my untouchables.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess you can make 3 with the 3 and a 0, but anything else requires higher numbers and division or subtraction.

[Flavor Leaf]

26- Maria wants to block dave, also suggests DV.

This adds more strength to the RB/inventor theory. Verrry suspicious that she picked two of the inventors to block.

Pushing me, but saying this implies Dave/Myself as scum.

Which means Dave would have had to be bussing me for a day and a half to start this game.

No, this implies Dave+Maria as scum.

I think you're scum for reasons not attached to the RB/inventor theory.

Which implies Dave, FL, Maria.

This point, doesn’t matter if it’s individual, it’s still there. If you think I’m scum in the same game you think Dave, Maria are scum, by definition, that is you think Fl and Dave are scum scum.

This reasoning is among the most terrible logic I've ever seen.

1 + 2 = 3

I’m the 1, they’re the 2. You can’t make 3 without the 2 and the 1.

You straight up can’t say “I think Maria and Dave are the scum team.” “I think Flavor Leaf is scum alongside Maria who has flipped!”

Oh, but Dave and FL aren’t scum together.

Like come on, stop being surface level, it’s not that hard here

Surface level?

You literally just tried to defend yourself by saying that because someone thinks that you are scum and have a partner read on two separate players for a specific instance, that they also necessarily think you are scum for that same instance.

Your response makes exactly zero sense from any other angle.

That explains why you’re all mixed up.

I don’t have a partner read on them.

EP does.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is like that bullshit logic that just because somebody thinks person A is scum, that means they can't disagree with reasons other players have for thinking A is scum.

Nah, you just misread the baseline.

EP is the one with those reads not me