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Post Post #706 (isolation #200) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:47 am

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@Luca Blight


He was the only one posting who didn't vote me yet so I'm preparing a hammer at ALMOST the deadline while leaving enough time for me to post what I want to share with town.

Also, if our town seems to be completely not remembering what's going on in the game and we have time until BlueBloodedToffee posts anyway, I'll go back and sum up everything I consider Shiro scum for. However this will take more than a hour so you gotta wait.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #201) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:15 am

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Here is my entire case on Shiro.
The key points I consider him scum for.

: As noticed by VictorDeAngelo, Shiro jumps into the discussion just in time to block a forming townread on me.

: As stated by Dyslexicon, Shiro's posts give an impression of useless fluff and echoing other stuff. I agreed to that in .

: First time I stated that Shiro does not scumhunt at all.

: As noticed by VictorDeAngelo, Shiro goes after him for lurking while he was V/LA.
Also, in I notice that his second reason for suspecting VictorDeAngelo is that he's most likely partner of scum-Carli. It's just plain stupid to look for some random lurker and call him a partner of someone you suspect as scum instead of going after that one who you list as scum.

: Despite Shiro says before that he'll most likely vote VictorDeAngelo in case he will have to vote, he now states him as null read? (noticed by VictorDeAngelo)

: After I pointed out that he's not scumhunting he performs a weak attempt to scumhunt. Perfectly illustrates my statement that he tries to adjust his play to look less scummy. (noticed by VictorDeAngelo)

: My first case on Shiro. Main points are: a) he does not scumhunt; b) he's being defensive; c) he's raging and being really concerned about being
speed
lynched when he has no votes on him and only my slight suspicion.

and : Further explaining on my first case on him.

: Shiro puts TGGC at L-1 right after he just replaced in and didn't even have a chance to post anything! He also did it exactly after BlueBloodedToffee pointed out that Shiro still didn't vote and asked him why.

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The points I list as noticed by someone else are the points I completely agree with and thus I include them in my case.

As you can see,
Luca Blight
, my case has way more points made by myself than yours on me. This is what genuinely made case looks like.
I don't believe genuine case can consist mostly of points made by others. It means you're just trying to justify your vote rather than really believe in it.
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Post Post #709 (isolation #202) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:26 am

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@Shiro
, what's your current read on Luca Blight? Why?
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Post Post #711 (isolation #203) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:31 am

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5 out of 10 points noticed by others is way more strong case than your own.

Also, considering your second paragraph, you're perfectly happy with your vote choice and you don't care if it will be mislynch or not. You aren't trying to find someone else who would look scummy, you even don't care about your previous scum reads.
It makes sense only from scum PoV because all they want is to mislynch someone while not looking suspicious for that.
I have to disappoint you: no, you didn't justify your vote good enough to not look scummy after a mislynch.
Try better.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #204) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:35 am

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I'm AFK for a hour or so to have a dinner.
Hope BlueBloodedToffee will post before I'll be back.
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Post Post #714 (isolation #205) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:23 am

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Because you want to justify your vote for townie?

I was reluctant to play a parrot. I've posted my case on him and summarized it multiple times already. Now I repeated it once again.
If you're so willing to consider his lynch then why are you "skimming" the case by your own words? Because I admit that some of points mentioned are noticed by someone else? At least I'm being fair here, while your case consisted mostly of points made of others and you didn't mention it before I pointed out.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #206) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:25 am

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If BlueBloodedToffee will not post in a hour I'll post all the information I have since it'll be too late to make another decision for the town anyway.

@Shiro


Can't understand why did you ignore my last question to you.
Or did you miss it?
Please, provide an answer :)
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Post Post #718 (isolation #207) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:35 am

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Do you agree with his whole thought process and only disagree on the conclusion?
Or are you unable to follow him on some specific part of thought process?
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Post Post #720 (isolation #208) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:47 am

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Why are you not arguing with him over this subject then?
When I see that someone is making wrong conclusions I try to explain him that he's wrong.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #209) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:52 am

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So I was wrong.
That's sad. I really thought you're as good player as you claimed.

I'll post all the information now.
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Post Post #724 (isolation #210) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:31 am

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So, since after my flip you'll know for sure that everything I'm saying is coming from townie perspective, I'll give you all the information I believe will help you in winning this.

First of all, some VCA (yes, I like it).

The one who I believe to be genuinely voting me as a townie who is just wrong is
Toolenduso
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His reasoning was at least built by himself, he tried to scumhunt (he failed by choosing the wrong one but it's a townie mistake). Don't suspect him for that.

Next, I believe that there is at least one scum in my wagon at this point.
If Shiro is town, then most likely there is only one scum in my wagon.
If he's scum, then most likely his partner is in my wagon.

So who we have in my wagon at the moment?

TGGC
for BS reason:
It was more like OMGUS vote, but I can understand it after I forced him to claim

BlueBloodedToffee
for completely insane reason.
I can't find out whether he is genuinely that retarded or just scum who is faking retarded play to appear "too scummy to be scum"

Luca Blight

His vote makes more sense from a scum perspective.
He cared enough to fake a large case on me so you won't suspect him tomorrow;
And from the townie perspective he makes completely no sense: he says that he is considering changing his vote yet ignoring all the points I make, he is asking for my case on Shiro yet admittedly completely ignores it.

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If we try to analyze Shiro's wagon, we also can notice few interesting things:
1. His wagon is really slow to build. And it's obvious that a wagon on scum will be more hard to build than a wagon on a townie. Simply because there is at least someone else in the game who knows that it's his teammate and he will try hard to get him not lynched. He won't do it loud obviously but even using only hidden and subtle phrases here and there he'll achieve much. He can also use chainsaw defense to save his partner from a lynch.
2. His wagon consists of townies only. Why? Because my wagon was way more appealing to join for the scum as it was way more easier to get me lynched. If you still don't see it check how it went and tell me if it was hard to lynch me. I doubt it. So VictorDeAngelo and JohnnyFarrar joined his wagon instead of mine. I don't see any reason for them to do so if they're scum and they know I'm town.
To get more towncred? Really? They didn't need it. May be VictorDeAngelo needed it but he didn't look like someone who is trying to gain some towncred.

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Lets now discuss most possible scumteams and who are the best candidates for the D2 lynch after you'll see my flip.

The most likely scumteam at the moment is :
Luca Blight
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Shiro
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This team perfectly fits with the game.
Look for yourself: Shiro is townreading Luca Blight all the way no matter what. He does not suspect him at any point for anything.
Luca Blight in return mentions few things that bother him about Shiro, several times he says that he's ready to switch his vote to Shiro but he never goes further.
It looks perfectly like he's faking suspicion towards his scumpartner while not really going to vote him no matter what.

Individually, Shiro is the most scummy player here and some of you agree on that.
I've already posted my case on him. I'd like to add to that: he is preparing a PERFECT excuse for the moment when I'll flip town. He's townreading me and hating the fact he should hammer me. He states it multiple times. He does not even agree to lynch me to save himself. He is so afraid of showing himself survivalistic after I pointed out he is in the beginning of the game. He was adjusting his play to appear more towny for the whole game.
As of Luca Blight, I admit I was wrong about him for the whole game. He succeeded in hiding his real intentions from town for the whole D1 up to the last discussion where he shown his real face.
Misrepresenting me, lying and calling it a misinterpretation, asking for a arguments and a case and ignoring them altogether, it's scummy enough to accuse him on his own.

Since we should have a Cop since we didn't have a counterclaim, I ask our Cop of a favor.
Please, check Luca Blight at night. Pretty please. I'm really sure it will yield us a confirmed scum lynched tomorrow.

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Another possible scumteam is
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Shiro
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So it was worth it to try.
If he is scum then yes, he's really a good player. He managed to fool everyone including me up to this point.
However, since there is no single logical explanation for his actions, I think the only possible explanation is him being the scum trying to do everything to make himself "too scummy to be scum".

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Don't hurry yet with hammer, I think we still can discuss possible scumteams.
I won't be able to talk tomorrow so better if we discuss it now while I still can.

I'll also post what I thought on the BlueBloodedToffee intentions (the only possible case where he would make sense)
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Post Post #725 (isolation #211) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:34 am

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In post 584, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 567, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Shiro is town because; she's asking questions, she's scum-hunting, her wagon looks scummy, I'm getting town-vibes from her posts...
have you realized what I'm doing yet?

I thought the bolded would have gave away what I was doing.

Evidently not.



This made me thinking that he's trying to catch the scum into the trap.
He was stating false things like "Shiro was scumhunting" because his read on Shiro was false too.
The trap was prepared to catch scum on voting me for stupid reason.

His trap in fact succeeded (caught Luca Blight) unless he is scum himself.

However, since he obviously didn't plan it... I can't consider him as good player as he claimed to be unless he's scum.

If you're not scum, BlueBloodedToffee, you played terribly in this game and I hope you'll learn something out of it.
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Post Post #726 (isolation #212) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:36 am

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So, if you have any thoughts on my VCA and scumteams analysis, go ahead and post it.
We should discuss it.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #213) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:39 am

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Well there is obvious problem you wouldn't admit you're scum or you'll get modkilled.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #214) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:45 am

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Why VDA would take a hard route and vote a wagon that's harder to get completed? I don't believe he's scum.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #215) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:49 am

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@Shiro


Even if I'm wrong about you (which I doubt), it does not mean I'm wrong about anyone.
We had something like... 7-8 out of 9 players who voted someone who is either you or me (and you consider us both townies). Should we ignore all of their reads because of that?
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Post Post #738 (isolation #216) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:50 am

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VDA is town as well.
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Post Post #739 (isolation #217) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:51 am

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*Even if Shiro is town
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Post Post #743 (isolation #218) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:52 am

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@Shiro

So the only players we should trust here are you and GiF? Did I get you right?
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Post Post #745 (isolation #219) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:52 am

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In post 741, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 738, Netherspite wrote:VDA is town as well.

Shit...that a scum-slip?


I've already explained why I strongly townread him.
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Post Post #748 (isolation #220) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:54 am

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I won't vote my strongest townread as it's exchanging one townie's vote to another.
My lynch will at least get you finally believing me after I flip town.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #221) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:54 am

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"vote" => "death"
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Post Post #752 (isolation #222) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:55 am

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In post 736, Netherspite wrote:
@Shiro


Even if I'm wrong about you (which I doubt), it does not mean I'm wrong about anyone.
We had something like... 7-8 out of 9 players who voted someone who is either you or me (and you consider us both townies). Should we ignore all of their reads because of that?


Shiro, wasn't you answering this?

@Luca Blight


Well, I assumed you already finished eating if you posted again.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #223) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:57 am

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@BlueBloodedToffee


Doesn't it make him null?

@Shiro


"Should we ignore all of their reads because of that?" => "Yeap,"
So you're saying that we should ignore everyone's reads except you and GiF because you two were the only not voting for me or you.
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Post Post #759 (isolation #224) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:59 am

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In post 756, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 744, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
In post 741, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 738, Netherspite wrote:VDA is town as well.

Shit...that a scum-slip?


Player calls guy he is townreading, town. Stop the presses. :roll:

He was saying you're town
as well as
Shiro. The person he was scum-reading...


I was implying that "even if Shiro is as town as you're trying to represent him" part I posted a second later.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #225) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:03 am

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@BlueBloodedToffee


Well you can as well just bring your vote back.
It does not matter much which of two townies you'll get lynched - me or VDA.
It's just a my word that you can either trust or not: I was implying that part I posted later.

@Shiro


Well, if you're town and townreading me then why don't you try to lynch the real scum?
Why are you seeing the only other option to lynch as VDA for really weak reasons?
Do we have just 1 scum in the game? :D
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Post Post #764 (isolation #226) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:08 am

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So you consider TGGC + VDA a scumteam? Really?
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Post Post #766 (isolation #227) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:10 am

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The only one of persons you listed I'd lynch over you is Luca (for obvious reason I scumread him)
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Post Post #769 (isolation #228) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:15 am

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How comes there is 50% chance we have this setup?!
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Post Post #772 (isolation #229) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:18 am

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I've explained it before.

If there is mafia RB then scum wouldn't fake claim as there will surely be CC.
So they could fake claim only if there is no mafia RB.

In this case we have 4 options:
Row 1: JK CC
Row 3: BP CC as some PR or himself
Column 2: No CC
Column 3: Real doc CC

So I'll repeat my question again: How comes there is 50% chance we have column 2 ?
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Post Post #775 (isolation #230) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:22 am

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So you're scum and you know that you have no mafia RB.
That's why you're excluding row 2.

Case solved, you're scum.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #231) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:24 am

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Provide any other sane reason you're excluding row 2 then ?
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Post Post #781 (isolation #232) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:29 am

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@Luca Blight


Provide a couple of examples from the beginning of the game where my words were fluff.

Also, it seems the only serious point your case is based at is my post where I mention my gut feelings and why I think they're wrong.
It may be looking like a scum tell from the MS general meta PoV but it was a genuine observation as part of sharing my every thought with the town.

@Shiro


You can only know that row 2 is not possible if you're scum / Tracker / BP / JK.
If you're BP / JK then you should already CC him.
And if you're Tracker then you should exclude Column 2 but you consider it as the setup we're playing in.
So the only other option is you're scum.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #233) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:30 am

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@BlueBloodedToffee


If you're sure we should look for another scum, who do you consider scummy besides VDA ?
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Post Post #786 (isolation #234) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:34 am

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@Luca Blight


I've explained it countless times already. I don't consider defending myself or avoiding suspicion worth anything during D1.
I spend my time trying to find the scum and my brain is busy with that rather than looking for excuses and avoiding my own lynch.
If I'll get lynched at least my words will have more weight as confirmed townie.

You got caught for placing a vote on me when you felt it's safe and you'll score an easy lynch while providing echoes of others' reasons to vote me as your justification.
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Post Post #787 (isolation #235) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:35 am

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If it's OMGUS then why it's only you and not, say, TGGC or Toolenduso?
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Post Post #790 (isolation #236) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:40 am

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I wasn't defensive.
I'm never defensive at D1.

scumread on you is based on your team with Shiro fitting the game and you chosing the optimal time and reasoning to vote me and not get suspected for that.

PEdit:


Shiro wasn't an easier lynch.
My wagon started to build earlier and it became bigger.
I was at L-1 while he wasn't.
What else you need to admit that my lynch was more likely?

Also, you voted me for the reasons echoed from others mostly; you faked giving me an opportunity to convince you while ignoring all of my arguments.
After I've posted my case on Shiro you agreed to the half of it yet you still consider me more scummy? Are you kidding me?
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Post Post #794 (isolation #237) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:48 am

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I'm wondering why are you trying so hard to convince me into changing my mind while you should be rather trying to convince others into lynching me if you're so sure I'm scum.
What exactly are you wanting to hear from me? If I'm scum my words aren't any useful for the town. I'll lie and deceive. So why?
Or are you scum who knows that when you'll lynch me and I'll flip town then the town investigative will check you at night and find out you're scum?

Also, you were swaying more to vote Shiro
only by your own words
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You faked suspecting him and still voting me and trying to get me lynched hard. I don't see any reason to consider you really suspecting Shiro.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #238) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:57 am

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@Luca Blight


Scumhunting is great as long as it is genuine.

Examples of genuine-scumhunting based votes:
toolenduso voting TGGC
me voting TGGC
me voting Shiro
JohnnyFarrar voting Shiro
VDA voting Shiro
toolenduso voting me

Providing the case consisting of self made points, voting without trying to look non-suspicious.
Your vote is not based on genuine scumhunting.

@VictorDeAngelo


I find his voting pattern weird but I can't understand what is wrong with it at this point.
I have a feeling that it comes from town perspective though.
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Post Post #820 (isolation #239) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:05 am

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Or he may be performing some kind of reaction tests.
I'm partially breaking it now by stating it I know. But you seem to be completely missing that point and suspecting him for that.
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Post Post #825 (isolation #240) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:08 am

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@Shiro


Please post your complete reads list and possible scumteams you think can be there
considering
the latest events.
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Post Post #829 (isolation #241) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:10 am

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I don't think claiming is good idea at this point. Why are you willing to?
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Post Post #831 (isolation #242) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:11 am

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I believe JohnnyFarrar will appear before the deadline.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #243) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:12 am

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@Shiro


Please state also your town reads and how strong are they.

And may be you have any extra information to share ?
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Post Post #835 (isolation #244) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:13 am

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What's wrong with his catch-up besides the OMGUS?
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Post Post #837 (isolation #245) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:18 am

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Are you still not willing to explain why did you exclude row 2 from the possible setups?
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Post Post #839 (isolation #246) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:19 am

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I've already posted my thoughts.
Only role who would know that for sure is Mafia Goon in setup with two Mafia Goons.
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Post Post #842 (isolation #247) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:21 am

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how about column C?
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Post Post #844 (isolation #248) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:22 am

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but we can have column C if he's the real doc. Why not?
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Post Post #845 (isolation #249) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:22 am

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Actually, screw that discussion. Let me check something.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #250) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:27 am

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In post 774, Shiro wrote:Cause he hasnt been cced

That means it is either column 3 and he is real doc
or
Column 2 and he has none to cc him

If it was row1 or 3 he would have been cced already


So you stated that it's either Column B or Column C and now you tell that it's either Column B or Row 2?
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Post Post #848 (isolation #251) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:31 am

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Ok now I see what BlueBloodedToffee was doing.
However, I also see why it can be wrong.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #252) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:48 am

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He stated that it's a compromise. No extra arguments.
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Post Post #862 (isolation #253) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:56 am

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@JohnnyFarrar


I made a case on him in

@BlueBloodedToffee


If you realized that I did realize, do you understand that it can be fake and do you understand what to do tomorrow to check?
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Post Post #864 (isolation #254) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:57 am

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It's not him who does not explain townreads.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #255) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:59 am

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Why are you up for Luca then? your previous option was more logical from that PoV
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Post Post #908 (isolation #256) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:34 am

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BlueBloodedToffee is most likely town.
His playstyle is weird but I finally see why he does what he does.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #257) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:40 am

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I guess he meant playing mafia game?
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Post Post #926 (isolation #258) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:45 am

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Why are you so sure you won't die 2night?
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Post Post #928 (isolation #259) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:46 am

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it was targeted to BBT
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Post Post #933 (isolation #260) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:48 am

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@JohnnyFarrar


I can't.
However, I realized that he still can be scum faking it.
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Post Post #935 (isolation #261) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:49 am

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I'll provide information to the scum I don't want to provide.
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Post Post #938 (isolation #262) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:51 am

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I'm still thinking. Trying to solve this puzzle. It's hard because there is a lot of content appearing every minute.
I'll unvote until I'll complete thinking.

UNVOTE:

@JohnnyFarrar


Since you didn't figure it out yet I assume that not everyone figured it out already.
So I want to keep it like that until there won't be other option.
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Post Post #943 (isolation #263) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:54 am

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Trust me you would vote me if I did.
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Post Post #945 (isolation #264) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:55 am

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@BlueBloodedToffee


What will you learn from his flip in both cases (town and scum) ?
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Post Post #951 (isolation #265) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:58 am

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You're right.
Only 5 people here.
But toolenduso promised to appear before deadline.
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Post Post #955 (isolation #266) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:02 pm

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seems to be correct.
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Post Post #957 (isolation #267) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:04 pm

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same here. and i gotta wake up early tomorrow.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #268) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:09 pm

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Okay, I'll list my thoughts on the lynch options.

TGGC - unCCd doc claim. While he can be lying, we'll get back to it tomorrow. not an option for today.
Toolenduso - no strong reads on him, leaning town, so I wouldn't go for his lynch
JohnnyFarrar - same, leaning town, won't go for his lynch
Shiro - I decided to trust him for now, if I'm wrong it'll be revealed tomorrow
BlueBloodedToffee - most likely town, you'll see it later as well. can be faking though, I can't be sure :( Not a best lynch option anyway
Luca Blight - possible option
VDA - possible option considering my new read on shiro
GiF - not replaced yet, null read. hate to make the decision without his replacer in the game but it seems we'll have to.

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Post Post #966 (isolation #269) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:12 pm

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Guys it's getting late and we can have even less people soon.
We have to decide now.
List your options you can be convinced to compromise lynch and we'll make a decision.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #270) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:17 pm

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Toolenduso promised to come here before the deadline. I tend to believe him. So technically we can lynch literally everyone.
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Post Post #978 (isolation #271) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:21 pm

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I get scumvibes off Luca's survivalistic attitude. He tries to convince me into voting VDA to save himself.
That's why I'm tentative to agree to VDA's lynch over possible Luca's lynch (if Toolenduso will come)
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Post Post #979 (isolation #272) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:22 pm

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Your point that VDA can't claim is valid too tbh.
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Post Post #981 (isolation #273) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:23 pm

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I suggest to wait for 30 minutes and see if Toolenduso will come.
And if he won't we'll perform the lynch majority seem to agree with?
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Post Post #984 (isolation #274) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:26 pm

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Well, I can only say that I consider Shiro town and thus not willing to compromise lynch him.
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Post Post #986 (isolation #275) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:27 pm

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Well, the fact he didn't show intention to hammer me while it was so easy option, speaks for itself.
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Post Post #990 (isolation #276) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:30 pm

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@BlueBloodedToffee


I did not notice a single scummy thing from Johnny so far.
So I don't think he's a good lynch option.
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #277) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:37 pm

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That screams town but easy to fake as well since no one would agree and say "yeah go ahead and vote yourself" after such post.
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #278) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:38 pm

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I think we all should admit to self-vote if all the others will decide so.
And then continue discussing the options.
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #279) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:38 pm

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agree*
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #280) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:40 pm

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Luca, you're so glad to throw your previous best lynch option (VDA) and go for another just to save yourself? I just can't agree with that.
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #281) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:41 pm

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Also, JohnnyFarrar, why are you willing to go for possible no-lynch (if no one will show up) after you just recently stated that it's a bad option?
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #282) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:44 pm

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I suggest everyone to agree to self-vote if all the others will agree on that.
We'll have 3 reliable lynch options without anyone showing up: me, Shiro and Luca.
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #283) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:45 pm

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If we will try to get Toffee then we'll have to pray that someone will show up and hammer him. And if noone will? That's risky.
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #284) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:48 pm

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If scum will refuse to self-vote he'll be obvious scum.
So no, anyone who does self vote is not a guaranteed town. Scum will do that too because otherwise he'll get lynched anyway for this.
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #285) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:50 pm

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So, since Toffee is here...
We can lynch anyone using the self-vote option.
Thoughts?
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #286) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:51 pm

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Self-hammering is modkillable.
Self-voting is not.
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #287) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:52 pm

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Are Johnny and Luca really a scumteam?...
So refusing to vote each other.
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #288) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:54 pm

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Can't wait to see that PM.
Until then ... you can say anything to accomplish your wincon. If you're scum that will make sense.
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #289) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:55 pm

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Nice excuse to ignore option to vote Luca.
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #290) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:58 pm

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Johnny, Are you willing to vote Luca if Toolenduso will show up?
I'm not asking to judge over chances this will happen, just answer yes or no.
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #291) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:01 pm

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What exactly did you find suspicious in his posts?
Why do you think it's good idea to lynch someone we literally have no information about?
Ain't it just randoming?
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #292) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:08 pm

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My brain is working like never. I can't find solution for this puzzle yet.
Going to make a cup of tea and keep thinking while I do so.
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #293) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:13 pm

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Personally I'd still go for Luca's lynch. I believe that tool will come to hammer since he promised so. Not coming will be very scummy of him.

But if I can't convince you into this we'll have to go with VDA (as I townread Shiro).
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #294) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:14 pm

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We all five being townies is a possible scenario as well while scum is happily watching and waiting for us to lynch one of us.
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #295) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:16 pm

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Yes I agree on that too.

Johnny, mind commenting on it?
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #296) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:18 pm

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I will do it, toolenduso, hold on.
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #297) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:26 pm

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@toolenduso


So, basically after my wagon got reduced to only TGGC who is not here we realized that we have to find a target for a compromise lynch until deadline comes.

BlueBloodedToffee started switching from one target to another (VDA -> Luca -> VDA -> Luca -> Johnny) and while it may look scummy, I believe there is a town-based reasoning for that.

Luca voted BlueBloodedToffee because of this weird behavior and may be because of OMGUS.

VDA voted Shiro and went to sleep.

At this point we realized that we're only 5 here and thus we can't make a compromise lynch on any of us not having a vote from outside without self-voting.
We came to the conclusion that we have to choose from me, Shiro and VDA as other options were not possible.

I was remembering your promise to come back before deadline and suggested to lynch Luca.
Everyone agreed on that besides JohnnyFarrar who said that it's risking a no lynch and he won't allow that.

Blue voted Luca and faked going to sleep. Johnny quickly started to attack him for that despite stating earlier that lynching someone who can't claim or defend is not ok.
Luca joined him.

After that Blue came back and accused Johnny for this.

After that we were arguing on what to do.

=== If I missed something or misrepresented something, feel free to fix me.

Now you came here and I still suggest to compromise Luca's lynch.
He is too willing to lynch anyone just to avoid his own lynch.
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #298) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:28 pm

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Yes exactly. Like he is trying to avoid lynching anyone else.
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #299) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:29 pm

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Anyone => Someone
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #300) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:30 pm

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Well, Johnny's behavior looks scummy only if Luca is his partner. Don't see other options.
Now Luca is mentioning that his behavior so may be it's partially clearing them both.
Or did he do it for this purpose?
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #301) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:33 pm

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@JohnnyFarrar


Why did you hurry to vote VictorDeAngelo when toolenduso did show up if we now can lynch anyone we decide to?
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #302) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:38 pm

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Who would you like to lynch now since we have that possibility?
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Post Post #1095 (isolation #303) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:41 pm

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Pretty terrible deadline time ><

@toolenduso


Hmm, so I'm iffy as a lynch option and GiF is ok as a lynch option yet you put me above him?
Seems like priority list not matching the explanation.
Did you miss something?
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #304) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:42 pm

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I'm not agreeing on Shiro's lynch.
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #305) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:43 pm

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It's funny how everyone are happy to lynch him though.
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Post Post #1102 (isolation #306) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:43 pm

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I won't vote Shiro at D1 no matter what.
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #307) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:44 pm

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Because he's town.
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #308) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:45 pm

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I can't believe this flash wagon consists only of townies.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #309) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:46 pm

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Another AtE noted.
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Post Post #1114 (isolation #310) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:47 pm

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Yes.
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #311) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:49 pm

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Wait
Tool, intend to hammer, don't hammer yet.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #312) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:50 pm

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So do you believe that Shiro's flashwagon consisted only of townies?
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Post Post #1127 (isolation #313) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:50 pm

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Noes, Farrar's wagon was not flashy. It took a few minutes to gather.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #314) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:52 pm

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How on the earth a scum can get a L-1 wagon in 1 minute?
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #315) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:52 pm

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Why did you vote him so fast then, Luca?
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #316) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:57 pm

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In post 1134, Luca Blight wrote:as there is support for a Farrar lynch currently, I fee there is perhaps more chance of him flipping scum than Shiro.


Is it me or is this completely counter-logical?
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Post Post #1140 (isolation #317) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:59 pm

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@JohnnyFarrar


What do you think on Luca's lynch option at this point?
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Post Post #1143 (isolation #318) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:01 pm

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I'm tentative between them.
Let him answer.
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #319) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:04 pm

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I'll stick to Farrar as the most hard wagon to get going.
If I'm wrong blame me solely.
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #320) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:11 pm

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Any thoughts or information that can help town win if you will flip town?
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #321) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:14 pm

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For someone as experienced as you I don't really believe you can have some of those thoughts as town.
I'm still up for your lynch.
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #322) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:17 pm

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@BlueBloodedToffee


In case I won't survive this night please don't forget about something.
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Post Post #1157 (isolation #323) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:18 pm

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@JohnnyFarrar


If you're town I'll hit my hands if I'll try to enter another game here as I'm really harmful for my own alignment.
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #324) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:19 pm

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Not sure if I'll be able to sleep until I'll see the flip.
But Mod can be later than the deadline comes.
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #325) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:20 pm

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Gosh, I'm hoping we'll have an IC replacement after we made a 47-page D1.
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #326) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:21 pm

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@Shiro


If you're scum you're the best playing scum I ever seen :D
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #327) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:28 pm

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It feels terrible.
I'm having a crazy idea that the scum was not even online while we were fighting each other...
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #328) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:30 pm

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Your opinion: if me, Shiro, Blue and you are town, who is scum? I guess you can say that while we're in twilight, am I right?
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #329) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:32 pm

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So you won't give opinion?
I agree that we don't deserve a win but I can't sleep peacefully until I solved this puzzle.
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #330) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:36 pm

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hmm you share my opinion when you make the assumption I suggested.
Thanks for sharing. Sorry for the terrible game. I'm newbie after all and I hate to use common practices in general.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #331) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:41 pm

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We'll see in few weeks.
If this assumption is wrong then I'll be really impressed by their play.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #332) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:48 pm

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It was my fault Shiro got nightkilled.
I asked a number of questions that helped the scum understand that he is the cop, before I realized it myself.
Blue and me were defending him because we realized that he's cop.
Blue did it earlier than me, and thats why he did post insane things and didnt want to explain his townreads.

TGGC is not confirmed yet because we still can have column B setup.

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Post Post #1181 (isolation #333) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:53 pm

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@TGGC


Do you still scumread me?

@VictorDeAngelo


Were you surprised by the Shiro's flip?
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Post Post #1184 (isolation #334) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:26 pm

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@Luca Blight


Why did you vote Shiro in if you thought he might be cop?
Even worse, it was that "flashwagon" and you just voted him without any uncertainity.
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #335) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:27 pm

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@VictorDeAngelo


I mean among those who were staying until the lynch.
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #336) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:05 am

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In post 1190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 389, Shiro wrote:
Infact if you asked me I would say my lynch wont be happening today XD

This is when I got a hint that Shiro was a PR.


Shiro also answered "No, but close" to my "Are you a prophet?" after this.
And all his speculations about the setup and weird exclusion of column C...
I realized it too late unfortunately. Should've stopped asking him before he slipped more.

===

I'm also thinking PoE brings us to the GiF/Goodmorning and VDA.
But I'd like to hear from Goodmorning before making any conclusions.

Also, TGGC still can be lying in his Doc claim.

So my current list of potential suspects is: Goodmorning, VDA, TGGC, BlueBloodedToffee.
But TGGC will wait until LyLo of course.
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #337) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:16 am

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Self-analyzing does not look good usually (because you explain others how you
tried
to look). But since I was accused a number of times for the similar things while I was town I won't consider it suspicious.
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #338) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:27 am

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Personally I don't really think you're scum.
I agree that your behavior at the lynch night was not scummy. I'm not completely excluding the possibility of you being the scum but I consider it unlikely.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #339) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:49 am

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Shiro's flip does not increase the chance we're in setup 2.
We had 3 possible setups where is either doc possible or fake doc can be unCCd: columns B, C; row 2.
We now have column C excluded.
Right now we have 2 possible setups: 50% TGGC is saying the truth (row 2) and 50% TGGC lying and unCCd (column B).
In the former case mafia has RB, in the latter they don't.
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #340) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:50 am

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Well, the chance is increased, but compared to setup B it still has the same chance (33% / 33% previously and 50% / 50% now)
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #341) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:51 am

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And with the exclusion of column C we in fact have fake claim chance even increased (from 33% to 50%)
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #342) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:05 am

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Aight, I'm just trying to make sure no one excludes the possibility that the doc claim is fake.
We'll get back to it tomorrow.

For today, I really want to see Goodmorning talking.
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Post Post #1213 (isolation #343) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:53 am

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@BlueBloodedToffee


Luca Blight was happy to lynch VDA as well.
He was okay with lynching just anyone including himself.
That's why I decided that we should go for Farrar (and I was wrong, but may be Luca's lynch would be as bad, we can't know for sure).
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Post Post #1223 (isolation #344) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:23 pm

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@TGGC


Are you going to lurk the whole day using the fact that you're unCCd Doc?
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #345) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:47 pm

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@TGGC


First of all, if you'd be a Mafia Goon, you'd know if your team has Mafia RB or not.
Second, if you'd know that you have Mafia RB you wouldn't fake claim Doc, because it would be CCd for sure.
So it leaves us with the 4 possible setups where there is no Mafia RB.
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #346) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:49 pm

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I'm having mixed feelings about him actually.
He's talking like townie in his setup related questions.
He's however only having this to say after like 20 pages of the game?!
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #347) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:48 pm

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Because role of your partner is written in your role PM?
You're asking
too
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #348) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:50 pm

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In game Newbie 1065 you were a Mafia Goon with Mafia Roleblocker in your team.
You've seen the role PM, you know how it looks like and you obviously know that you'd know whether your team has Mafia RB or not if you were Mafia Cop.
You're lying and I don't see any legit reason for townie to do that.

VOTE: TGGC
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #349) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:02 pm

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Role of your partner is clearly stated in role PMs listed in the post you linked.
Please just stop this, it is getting boring to prove obvious things.
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #350) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:04 pm

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Even if the role of your partner would not be listed in role PMs, your partner would tell you whether he's RB or not during the night.
You're playing newbie too bad.
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #351) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:14 pm

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If role of your partner would not be sent in role PM, then it won't be listed at all.
It does not make sense to add clause about your partner's role and listing it in generic form like it's written in the example.
It's listed there in generic form because there are two possible roles of partner of a Mafia Goon and thus both of them are listed in the example splitted by slash.
In the real role PM obviously you'll get exact role of your partner.

And you obviously know that considering your experience.
You're lying and you got caught on that.
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #352) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:26 pm

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What information I have? :D
Role PMs are public information.
You have it too, yet you're claiming you don't understand them and thus claiming newbie.
You aren't newbie, you
do
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Post Post #1241 (isolation #353) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:39 pm

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I've explained it like three times already.
It's obvious for any player except the newbie who didn't carefully read the role PMs.
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #354) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:53 am

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In post 1244, TGGC wrote:@Netherspite:
I have looked at the PMs and my interpretation is in #1226. Only the Roleblocker can be sure of 2 setups, the normal mafia cannot, because in his PM both roles are stated. Now you obviously have a different interpretation of this PM, how can you know that? So you are either wrong and very stubborn about this or you know from somewhere else outside this thread. For example your own PMs.

@VDA:
Please look at the mafia PMs, the roleblocker knows and the normal one does not. And how can you _know_, if it comes up in scum chat, if you are not scum? In the game pointed out we did not chat at all because my partner was lynched D1. So I do not see how you can be sure about the setup here, even if you were mafia. If you know, just explain to me please.


You don't make any sense.

If Mafia Goon should not know exact role of his partner then why does the partner's role clause exist at all in the role PM?
The only reason for it to be there is to tell you what role your partner has. And both roles are listed in the example only because there are two possibilities and it's stupid to list both possible role PMs if they differ only by partner's role.

You've played Mafia Goon before, you clearly know all that I'm trying to explain, and thus you just attempted to look like newbie, while you aren't.
You clearly failed, just admit it and stop saying senseless things.
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Post Post #1248 (isolation #355) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:33 am

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Gosh, he insists!

@TGGC


There is
no need
to search for mafia communication.
Mafia receives role PMs listed in the beginning of this topic.
Mafia Goon's PM contains exact role of his partner.
Thus, Mafia Goon
knows
whether his partner is Mafia Goon or Mafia RB.
You
know
this also, because you've played as Mafia Goon with Mafia RB partner before and you've seen that role PM.
What you're now saying is complete BS, makes no sense and pretty useless.
Please, stop this. Just stop.
You've got caught. You've failed. Admit it and save the time.
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #356) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:59 am

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No matter how hard you try, I won't believe you don't realize that listing both possible partner's roles in
real
role PM is useless and no one would do that.
You aren't newbie.
You know that you're saying BS.

By the way, according to rules, quoting role PMs is prohibited...
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #357) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:02 am

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Here is the explanation on why role PM sent to Mafia Goon contains exact role.

In post 1246, Netherspite wrote:
If Mafia Goon should not know exact role of his partner then why does the partner's role clause exist at all in the role PM?
The only reason for it to be there is to tell you what role your partner has. And both roles are listed in the example only because there are two possibilities and it's stupid to list both possible role PMs if they differ only by partner's role.


Stop trying to look like retarded townie, it won't work.
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #358) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:03 am

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Thanks, VDA, you're right, quoting that post is not prohibited.
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Post Post #1257 (isolation #359) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:27 am

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It would be useful if your partner could be a, b or c.
But everyone knows it's either a or b so stating it again is stupid.
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Post Post #1260 (isolation #360) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:31 am

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* It's also useless to state it because scum has nightchat and they'd reveal their roles to each other.

* No, it's more like town caught you on your slip.

* When you were a Mafia Goon in previous games, did you really receive PMs stating role of your partner as "Mafia Goon/Roleblocker"? :D
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Post Post #1262 (isolation #361) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:05 am

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I agree, we should wait for the GM to catch up and post.
Also I'd like to hear toolenduso's opinion on this matter.
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #362) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:15 am

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@TGGC


The PM you quoted also lists your ability to chat with your partner pre-game in private topic.
You still insist that Mafia Goon shouldn't know whether Mafia has RB in the game?
I don't believe you're that retarded. Please, stop your lies.
We're waiting for GM to catch up and for toolenduso to post his opinion.
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Post Post #1268 (isolation #363) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:16 am

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@BlueBloodedToffee


He is insisting that Mafia Goon can receive the PM from the first post
without
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #364) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:49 am

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Too early to make any conclusions about who is TGGC's partner.
Lets first wait for everyone's opinion on the matter.
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #365) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:07 am

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@TGGC


Common sense is enough to know that with 99% chance.
The fact you insist that it's wrong makes you obvious scum.
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #366) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:08 am

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By the way, casting OMGUS votes after failing that bad does not help you much, really.
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #367) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:14 am

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In post 1275, Luca Blight wrote:I know it because it's fucking common sense.


Exactly this.
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #368) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:15 am

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By admitting that VDA is right you're admitting that you're scum.
What are you trying to achieve by accusing me? :D I'm not your partner, sorry.
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #369) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:23 am

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@TGGC


Stating something in caps does not make it any less false.

I've explained it so many times I'm not going to do it anymore again. I'm playing parrot too often, really. Tired of that.

Please, stop asking to explain you the same and same thing over and over again, especially considering you knew that thing before you even made this mistake.
It's starting to smell bad.
You failed, admit that and stop wasting our time.
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #370) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:00 am

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@toolenduso


Who is your top suspect who'd you lynch today?
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Post Post #1296 (isolation #371) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:13 am

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Personally I didn't like how tool first agreed to the arguments against TGGC, added some more and then attempted to get the attention off TGGC for now.
It could be clever scum play.
Could be town play as well though.
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #372) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:08 pm

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@TGGC


Any sane person will realize after reading the PMs examples listed in the beginning of this thread that exact role of partner is being told to the Mafia Goon.
And it is confirmed by literally everyone in this game except you already.
You can keep ignoring the obvious things but it is not helping you, it is rather confirming you're scum.
Any townie would already admit that he was wrong and did get the role PM meaning wrong. Only scum would insist on insane things.
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Post Post #1306 (isolation #373) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:07 am

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In post 1305, toolenduso wrote:@Nether: Post #599 looks like the time you realized that Shiro was cop. Then in posts #708 and #724 you're making a case for Shiro being scum.

Please explain this.

As for the other people who say they realized that Shiro was cop during D1...

Luca voting Shiro when he thought she was cop is weird. But why, if scum, would he admit to seeing that Shiro was the cop knowing that he voted Shiro the day before? Why not just feign innocence? This doesn't change my townread on Luca.

I tend to think that Blue being the first person to acknowledge that Shiro was cop makes him look more towny, but I don't put it outside the reach of scum to do so. This doesn't change my townread on Blue.

So PoE and the stuff I said in #1176 still make VDA my top choice for lynching today.


In post [port=723]#723[/b] I've said that I had a different guessing on his intentions. Explained further in .
I realized that Shiro is cop only at .
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Post Post #1307 (isolation #374) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:08 am

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Formatting screwed.

In post 1305, toolenduso wrote:@Nether: Post #599 looks like the time you realized that Shiro was cop. Then in posts #708 and #724 you're making a case for Shiro being scum.

Please explain this.

As for the other people who say they realized that Shiro was cop during D1...

Luca voting Shiro when he thought she was cop is weird. But why, if scum, would he admit to seeing that Shiro was the cop knowing that he voted Shiro the day before? Why not just feign innocence? This doesn't change my townread on Luca.

I tend to think that Blue being the first person to acknowledge that Shiro was cop makes him look more towny, but I don't put it outside the reach of scum to do so. This doesn't change my townread on Blue.

So PoE and the stuff I said in #1176 still make VDA my top choice for lynching today.


In post I've said that I had a different guessing on his intentions. Explained further in .
I realized that Shiro is cop only at .
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #375) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:57 pm

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I rather used my common sense to understand that the Mafia Goon knows the exact role of his partner from the role PM examples listed in the beginning of this topic. It was already making you scum, I just was a bit not sure whether you're really scum or may be newbie town who just skimmed through the first post in this game and didn't notice that fact.

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I started checking from your first game and voila! Found the game I was looking for.
Kinda lucky finding because it saved me from looking through all games but not making my finding any less solid and convincing in thinking that you're scum.
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #376) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:05 am

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It was interesting to watch reactions to the suggestion to let TGGC live and find another lynchee for today.

* VDA suggests to discuss the lynchee candidates while we waiting for GM to catch up (and I agree with him, why not?)
* toolenduso asks for the reasons of this idea, and then analyzes behavior of those who realized that Shiro is cop during D1 (mixed feelings on this one, his question "Why?" suggests that he does not like that idea, then questions to other players suggest that he does like it, then again statement that he does not change his townread on them and finally he states that PoE brings him to VDA: it again looks like a subtle attempt to move the spotlight off the TGGC for today)
* Luca does not respond to this directly but suggests to lynch BBT/TGGC over the next two days. (not sure why he listed them in this order, does he suggest to lynch BBT over TGGC today?)
* TGGC himself completely ignores the matter and keeps desperate argument with me.
* GM still catches up (or says so and keeps lurking).

I find VDA's reaction genuine.
Interpretation of Luca's reaction depends on whether he would prefer to lynch BBT over TGGC for today or not.
toolenduso's reaction is smelly.

@BlueBloodedToffee


He was also happy to lynch himself late D1.
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #377) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:31 am

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It could be quite a gambit, I agree.
However, the most towncred I give him is for his intention to lynch TGGC today.
He wasn't trying to move the spotlight to someone else, he was pretty happy to lynch him and he also agreed that he's saying BS things.
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Post Post #1320 (isolation #378) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:43 am

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@BlueBloodedToffee


I was looking for someone to support your idea of letting TGGC live for today.
Luca didn't support it.
+ he was happy to lynch himself D1 (and yes, I consider it sane townie action over a No Lynch)
+ he was the first to vote TGGC after I caught him, he didn't try to move the spotlight elsewhere like some others did.

I don't really consider him scum at this point.

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Post Post #1323 (isolation #379) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:30 am

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Wording of PMs may be different, but exact role is still stated there.
And no, one wouldn't forget it even in 3 years.
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #380) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:38 am

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In post 1321, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
So, I ask this; How do we feel about a GM lynch today?


I'd give him another day to finish his catch up and post.
If he won't then I don't see why should we keep letting him to occupy IC slot if he does nothing.
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #381) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:24 pm

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It was more like a feeling. Also I don't agree about VDA. Is there anything except PoE that makes you think he's scum?

Also, how exactly can we get more information about TGGC slot through night actions?
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #382) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:43 pm

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@VictorDeAngelo


We can get scum faking Doctor healing its target by skipping the night kill and thus "confirming" our fake Doc :D
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #383) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:54 pm

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@VictorDeAngelo


His point was stupid clearly enough without his answer.
Or scummy.
But may be he has other explanation? I'm curious.
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #384) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:29 am

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@goodmorning


Looking forward to see that post.
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #385) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:09 am

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In post 1341, goodmorning wrote:Hmmmmm. I wonder why you felt the need to post that.


The post was kinda sarcastic because you made us waiting for so long already.
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Post Post #1352 (isolation #386) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:51 am

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Gosh, I'm starting to wish to see GM dead just for his "I'll post tomorrow... No, tomorrow. No, I still don't have time... No, later... No, not yet... No, tomorrow...."
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #387) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:10 pm

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@Goodmorning


If you don't want to play this game, just replace out, please.

@toolenduso


Both of these scenarios are very very unlikely.
I'd rather go for 99% scum lynch for today that would give us another 2 attempts to find the remaining scum.
If we're guessing TGGC's partner wrong today (which is kinda likely because we have multiple options looking good) we're rather helping scum by killing a townie.
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #388) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:12 pm

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@TGGC


How about I
remembered
that the role PM example lists the role of the Mafia Goon's partner?
I've read those examples at the pre-game.
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Post Post #1367 (isolation #389) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:32 pm

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I'll switch my vote to GM if she'll keep doing like that till the night.
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Post Post #1368 (isolation #390) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:33 pm

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@TGGC


What do you think about GM's behavior?
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Post Post #1372 (isolation #391) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:08 am

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@TGGC


Ignoring my questions does not make you any less scummy.
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #392) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:09 am

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And yes, I've read role PM example for Mafia Goon in the beginning of your first game.
And yes, it's pretty clear that you had information about your partner's role both in your first and this game.
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Post Post #1375 (isolation #393) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:49 am

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@goodmorning


While I get townvibes from your post, I don't really understand how can you still consider TGGC a townie after his major slip with role PMs.
Are you his scumpartner? It is rhetorical question, don't answer.

Good point about toolenduso's post though.
In the very unlikely case TGGC is the real Doc, there also should be a Mafia Roleblocker and thus scum does not really need to kill the Doc to avoid no-kills.
We of course can somehow catch the Roleblocker with today's lynch, but I find it even more unlikely than catching the Goon if we try to find some scum who isn't TGGC.
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Post Post #1381 (isolation #394) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:07 pm

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@toolenduso


Well, I don't believe TGGC is really that newby as he tries to look.
Also I don't believe any experienced player would even doubt that Goon's role PM states the exact role of the partner.

By the way, did you really not know that RB can submit both kill and roleblock actions at the same time? ... You're on this site for a while and did not know something that I did after playing a single game as VT?... Really?

And no, I won't be willing to lynch VDA because I townread him.

@goodmorning


Because it's much more likely that TGGC is not the Doc, as I already explained above. And in this case we can't catch Roleblocker because there is none.
And if he's Doc then we have only 50% to catch the RB if we'll catch the scum (and it's way lesser than 100% chance that we'll catch the scum in the first place).
So as a result, we have pretty low chance to catch the Roleblocker today.
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Post Post #1382 (isolation #395) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:32 pm

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@toolenduso


You gotta be kidding me guys. Again the same mistake.

You were a Mafia Goon in Newbie 1450. Your partner was a Mafia Roleblocker.
After you have been lynched, your partner was submitting both roleblock and kill at nights.
And you claim you didn't know it's possible? Come on!

Scum team is TGGC + toolenduso
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #396) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:49 am

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@toolenduso


That's why I said "You gotta be kidding me"
and that's why I'm keeping my vote on TGGC as I still think he is the best option for today (99% scum)

Regarding your case on VDA, it's kinda weak.
Keeping his vote on Shiro when he had to go to sleep? I don't see it any scummy as Shiro was top suspect at this point.
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #397) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:44 am

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In post 1389, toolenduso wrote:
At one point (#896) he shows signs of being willing to compromise with town on a Luca lynch. The context of this post is important: earlier in that same page (#879), he resists BBT telling him to vote for Luca.


You're misinterpreting his post #896. It was the answer to Luca's offer to lynch BBT, and BBT was his main suspect at this point. So no contradiction here.

In post 1389, toolenduso wrote:Shiro looked like the leading candidate for a lynch throughout much of yesterday. It was a safe place for scumVDA to keep his vote headed into deadline because it's not one that a ton of people would question it.


He put his vote on the top suspect among majority to make sure it's not a No Lynch.

I don't see anything wrong here.
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Post Post #1403 (isolation #398) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:40 am

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In post 1394, toolenduso wrote:
In post 1391, Netherspite wrote:He put his vote on the top suspect among majority to make sure it's not a No Lynch.

I don't see anything wrong here.


Do you not see the scum explanation here or do you not believe it?

The scum explanation is that VDA was clinging to the safest wagon so as to minimize risk and maximize benefit for scum. Which makes a lot of sense for scum to do in that situation.


I was voting Shiro too at that point. So did 2 more players. Are we all 4 scum? :D

In post 1399, toolenduso wrote:
I don't believe I've ever said that it was scummy that VDA didn't stay awake. What I find scummy is the convenient placement of his vote. The rest of his posting toward the end of D1 supports the scumminess of that position.


You know, you can find it scummy whatever his vote-before-leaving would be.
Voting the most suspected person? Fine! "Putting his vote in convenient place"
Voting someone else? Fine! "Tries to distance himself from mislynching the Cop"
You of course can say that you wouldn't call it scummy if he voted someone else and I'm making it up.
But my point is not that. My point is
regardless
of his last vote before he left his vote
could be called scummy
. So basically it's not an evidence for anything.
His vote before he left is not alignment-indicative
.

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Post Post #1413 (isolation #399) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:54 am

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I think we should lynch TGGC today and try to get his partner tomorrow. Of course after GM will finish his Great Catchup.

The main argument against TGGC's lynch is that he can be Doc. While I'm pretty sure that he is faking, there is also a reason for those who say "he can be Doc! so better mislynch some townie than him!": even in the highly unlikely event that he's a real Doc he's pretty much useless at this point because in that case we have a Roleblocker in game who does not have any incentive to block anyone else.
So there is basically no reason to not lynch him.
Did you notice how he gone lurking after the spotlight moved off him?
He is the most likely scum, so he is the best candidate for today's lynch.
toolenduso was looking pretty suspicious in his last posts (and I still don't believe he didn't know that RB can submit both block and kill at the same night) but he's still less suspicious than TGGC. I'm more confident in TGGC than toolenduso.

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