Newbie 1546: Binary Trolls (Game Over!)

[toolenduso]

@GiF: That's one day before deadline and you don't have a vote on anyone right now -- could you tell us who's at the top of your scum list?

[Shiro]

@MOD Can we get an extension since almost everyone is MIA and we will probably have lots of replacements in a bit ?

[Voidedmafia]

Vote Count

Carli (3): Luca Blight, Dyslexicon, Toolenduso
Netherspite (0):
Toolenduso (1): Lolbabe
Lolbabe (0):
Shiro (1): Netherspite
Dyslexicon (0):
Luca Blight (0):
VictorDeAngelo (0):
GuyInFreezer (0):

Not Voting (4): Carli, VictorDeAngelo, Shiro, GuyInFreezer

It is day 1. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends on Wednesday, October 29 at 11:30pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-10-29 23:30:00).

@MOD Can we get an extension since almost everyone is MIA and we will probably have lots of replacements in a bit ?

As the backup mod, that is not necessarily my call to make. I will bring it up with Bulbazak (assuming he doesn't notice your query before I do so) and he will give an official ruling upon his return.

Also, VictordeAngelo has been prodded.

[Bulbazak]

@MOD Can we get an extension since almost everyone is MIA and we will probably have lots of replacements in a bit ?

We'll see.

[toolenduso]

OK so Carli's meta is really not ideal for forming a read. She's completed one other game (Newbie 1527), in which she was a VT, she replaced in D2 and had exactly eight posts, one of which was "hi, catching up now." So obviously it's not a great basis for meta reading, but every little piece of evidence helps.

Carli hits the ground running in that game, quickly analyzing the game and dropping a vote. Unfortunately this can't be treated as distinct from this game because her scum reads in that game were based on the D1 lynch and in this game Carli didn't have the benefit of looking back at a lynch to look at the wagon. Notably, she pegged one of the scum immediately (That would be 5-off. The other one she scumread, PV, turned out to be town).

Very notably, Carli claims VT in her fourth post (#989). This is done in the midst of her receiving heavy questioning from other players thus looks very similar to her VT claim in #98 in this game:

PeregrineV

1) You're right in saying Iz had 3 people to vote for. Myself, you and 5-Off, but it goes without saying that the both of you (and especially you) were his biggest scum read. I know for a fact that he was wrong about me because I am a VT (yes I just claimed)

Anyway, I didn't have a RVS vote because in all honesty I didn't have a breathing space to do so, as soon as the game started GiF came for me and one by one people started questioning me (not all of course). So all of my posts have been dedicated to answering your questions, I could have started the game with a random vote instead of the intro I chose, but that is not mandatory practice (RVS), and if you want to lynch me because I don't have a random vote which encourages a lollynch then please by all means go ahead and lynch me, and give scum 1 free VT that they don't have to kill in order for them to ultimately win the game.

She doesn't exhibit the same sort of defensiveness under pressure in that game that she does in this game...except when she's responding to the people she had as scumreads. So while that

could

function as evidence that Carli is scum in this game, it's also very possible that townCarli is just in a very different situation here.

I'm starting to doubt my read a little.

[toolenduso]

@MOD Can we get an extension since almost everyone is MIA and we will probably have lots of replacements in a bit ?

Generally speaking, a mod will give a deadline extension if a replacement comes in soon before deadline, but won't necessarily give an extension just because people are inactive or on V/LA.

[Shiro]

Generally speaking, a mod will give a deadline extension if a replacement comes in soon before deadline, but won't necessarily give an extension just because people are inactive or on V/LA.

Which is why I asked ^_^

[Netherspite]

@VictorDeAngelo

Ain't it the monday you promised us to post at already?
[sarcasm]Or did you mean next monday?[/sarcasm]

[Bulbazak]

Replacing Lolbabe.

[lolbabe]

I'm really sorry, guys, but I've been and will be with horrible Internet access for the next week, at least. I must be replaced.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Back but tired and kinda pissed. Will read up my games in due course. Sorry for the delay.

[Bulbazak]

TGGC replaces Carli, BlueBloodedToffee replaces Dyslexicon. Deadline is being extended. New deadline is Sunday, November 2 at 11:30pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-11-02 23:30:00).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: VDA

[Shiro]

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shiro, is there a reason you're not voting?

Too many people not voting in this game.

[Shiro]

Yes there was. I was waiting for Carli to speak which actually bring us up to now where instead of speaking she bailed out

VOTE:TGGC

So when you read up why did you think your pre bailed after pressure ?

[Shiro]

Also L-1

Forgot to mention

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's L-1.

That's also an unfair and loaded question to ask. How is he supposed to know why his predecessor bailed?

[Netherspite]

Welcome, replacers!

Also,

@BlueBloodedToffee

, I've read some game with your participation and I loved your signature Totally agree with that, people can manipulate their meta.

[Netherspite]

@Shiro

Do you feel it is good idea to put someone at

L-1

right after he/she was replaced?
Why?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hi Nether,

Can you succinctly state why you're voting Shiro please?

[Shiro]

@Shiro

Do you feel it is good idea to put someone at

L-1

right after he/she was replaced?
Why?

To see what he has to say about his pre actions ? Why do you feel anyone will quickhammer for no apparent reason ?

@Blue

I asked why in his opinion does he think she bailed. You cannot disagree that it was a scummy move the way Carli bailed. So I would like to see his justification about it.

[Netherspite]

@BlueBloodedToffee

Well, my vote came with like full reasoning for it:

@Shiro

Well, you confirm it once again.
When I put you under very soft pressure you start defending more and more aggressively, you reveal your survivalistic mindset which is logical to have for the scum but pretty wrong for the town.
The manner of you answering my questions is like you only concerned about your own survival and do not care about whether we'll find scum or not.
And instead of doing something else you just keep doing it and even become more aggressive.

After I pointed it out, you finally tried to mimic some scumhunting in #163. Yet it still was just a self-defense and an attempt to move the attention to someone else.

So basically, I think you are scum because:
1. You never scumhunt and don't care about finding the scum at all despite saying the opposite.
2. You are answering on my questions with defensive manner, you still don't care about others.
3. You end up raging while I stated that I suspect you only slightly.
4. You are really concerned about being lynched (or speed lynched) while no one else except me is really suspecting you at this point.

This over-defense and complete lack or any scumhunt makes it obvious that you're either scum or a terrible town player.
And at this point you made me thinking that the first is way more possible.

I'm putting my vote on you because it's 4 days until deadline already and I see you as the most possible scum at this point.
I still hope to hear more from our lurkers though.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shiro

Basically it's about his reaction to pressure and lack of scumhunting.
Also, putting someone at L-1 right after he/she was replaced out when it's 6 days until deadline does not look town-driven decision for me.



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PEdit:

@Shiro

, replace is a null tell in 99.9% of all cases.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I asked why in his opinion does he think she bailed. You cannot disagree that it was a scummy move the way Carli bailed. So I would like to see his justification about it.

And I don't think it's fair that you're expecting him to explain someone else's actions.

It's a bad question.

[Netherspite]

@BlueBloodedToffee

, also, mind explaining your vote as well?