Newbie 1838: Pirates vs Ninjas: GAME OVER!

[Nauci]

Hello all!

Friendly neighborhood Town Commuting Novice Jester here, providing some info!

I have quite a few games under my belt but am relatively new to this site (this is technically my first newbie game but I replaced into one 2 pages in before). People use a lot of abbreviations and terminology and I'll do my best to explain the ones I remember having to look up:

AI/NAI

- Alignment Indicative/Not Alignment Indicative - denotes whether or not someone thinks <event> has something to do with what alignment they are

PR

- Power Role (e.g. town cop, or mafia roleblocker)

pr

- post restriction. Sometimes in flavor games people get silly post restrictions, sometimes people self impose them. Examples can be silly stuff like only posting haikus, or using rainbow text, or having to make puns

FOS

- Finger of Suspicion - To FOS someone is to suspect them

OMGUS

- "oh my god you suck" - usually used as a response to a perceived bad post or vote, like if I think someone's vote on me is for stupid reasoning I might respond OMGUS. If I vote the person it might get called an OMGUS vote

WIFOM

- "wine in front of me" - refers to the infamous wine scene in The Princess Bride, and denotes the bottomless spiral of "hmm scum wouldn't do that but maybe they did it because they think we would never think they did that but then we would think they thought that" type of reasoning

IGMEOU

- "I got my eye on you" - watching someone closely but not necessarily suspecting them of being scum

V/LA

- vacation/low activity - someone can preemptively message the mod to explain why they might have low activity

ISO

- refers to a player's body of posts in isolation from the whole game - click ISO button on their posts to see this

Bus

- throwing someone under the bus - usually means one mafia member pushing to lynch another mafia member

Wagon

- when someone gets multiple votes, this refers to the group of people voting them

Counter wagon

- the idea that a wagon for someone was created to prevent another person from being lynched (e.g. scum trying to save a teammate by throwing suspicion elsewhere)

VC/VCA

- Vote Count (Analysis) - the vote counter, and any resulting analysis from who voted who

PL

- Policy Lynch - to vote lynch someone not because you think they're scum, but because of some arbitrary policy (e.g., this guy is such a dick, or someone has been lurking too much, or is doing explicitly anti town things like refusing to read the thread)

Null

- neither town or scum read

RVS

- Random Vote Stage - the first few posts where there's no useful information yet so everyone cracks jokes and votes for people at random until something potentially alignment indicative happens

Crumb/crumbing/breadcrumbing

- a post that might be a hint at something, like if a doctor during RVS makes a joke about amberlamps

Loafing/breadloafing

- throwing out such an enormous hint or hints that it's really more like a trail of bread instead of crumbs (e.g. a jailkeeper hinting/saying they can roleblock scum)

LAMIST

- Look At Me I'm So Town - a sarcastic way of saying a post is a bad and obvious grab for town credibility

Oh and since I got confused on this before, in this newbie setup, Mafia do NOT have day chat.

Also, useful forum tags (spaces added for appearance)

[ Vote ] name[/ Unvote ]
[ B ]name[/ b ]
[ Unvote ][/ unvote ]

For voting/unvoting

[ Post ]post#[/ post ] to direct link the post by number

To quote multiple posts at a time press the + next to the quote button and once you have all the posts you want to quote, click reply.

[Nauci]

Damn dude I was going to RVS AP as one of the few players I've played with but RVS is too early for a wagon!

Hello Alonzo! I'm not mafia this time so I will not try to drive a mislynch wagon for you! But I may need to drive a proper scum lynch one. Are you mafia?

VOTE: Alonzo[/b]

[Nauci]

Oops

VOTE: Alonzo

[Nauci]

@nauci, RVs is never too early for a wagon.

Actually, everyone: discuss!

IC post in the am.

Pffft you're just scum wanting me to mislynch Acidphoenix!

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Nauci]

Hmm that's a good point.

I'm just glad acid changed avatars so I can stop continuously confusing their gender.

So, is this anyone's first game on the site?

[Nauci]

Hmm that's a good point.

I'm just glad acid changed avatars so I can stop continuously confusing their gender.

So, is this anyone's first game on the site?

Do you still prefer to not vote for a wagon?

I've already plopped down a vote so I'm just going to see what Bellaphant and Acid post today.

Hello Alonzo! I'm not mafia this time so I will not try to drive a mislynch wagon for you! But I may need to drive a proper scum lynch one. Are you mafia?

Hello Nauci....

This is a loaded question!

err I am scummy.... =) but not mafia no!

Not the answer I expected. This is an odd answer!

Dislike

well, yeah, but you'd be surprised how often you CAN do that if people post a lot, give out loads of reads, be helpful and transparent - in general be really town
i find it's often easier to work out who is town than who is scum.

I agree.

Though last game I was scum and played a super duper Towny game until my partner accidentally hammered and then claimed tracker day 2 o_o

[Nauci]

Thanks for the tips Bellaphant!

I didn't realize I could bookmark threads because I'm usually on mobile, and have just been searching through my PMs every time I accidentally closed a tab >_> <_<

For now though VOTE: Alonzo the post I already mentioned from him just looks far too forced to come from town.

I said I dislike the post because I'm giving him a chance to townpost better this time. I drove a very easy mislynch wagon on him last game because he doesn't play a terribly good town, so I'm not going to jump onto a wagon too early and give scum a chance to lol hammer 1 day in.

yeah this is nervous, "jovial" scum.

Why would I be nervous as scum? Im amazing as scum!

Nauci on the otherhand knew im awkward as Heck Town when he asked about it....

I don't know if awkward would be the term I would use but if I was town that game I'd have been shocked at your flip!

I generally don't start laying pressure votes until the game has a decent cadence. But once that happens I'm likely to try the Porkens look-under-every-single-rock method of shaking things loose.

Also that "townslip" is super easy to fake, and I did exactly that in my one scum game. I give it no credit for now.

Alonzo, give us your reads on people and explain your reasoning, so we can determine if you're lazy scum or if you have legit town motivations.

[Nauci]

Oh I didn't realize that also happened. I thought it was just the post here.

[Nauci]

Oh now that I see it I no longer think it's fake, but I also no longer think it's a townslip in context.

[Nauci]

sorry been a bbad day, prod doge
how we doing lynching alonzo

Why the rush?

You've barely got 1 page of posts to catch up on there.

VOTE: mozamis

[Nauci]

Had a super ultra exhausting day and went to 3 different hospitals/clinics. Will try to catch up on the new pages in the morning.

[Nauci]

I know town doesn't lie but apparently I lied and will actually post some of my thoughts now because insomnia.

Blooper, still wanna know where you were going with your question to Nauci about voting for a wagon in 28.

Nauci mentioned in her second post that she doesn't want to vote a player due to RVS being too early for a wagon. Wilky mentions later on that a wagon in RVS can lead to a more serious game state. Nauci agrees that this is a good point. So I wanted to know what her opinion became of wagons in RVS.
I especially want to know now with her mentioning looking into what Bellaphant is going to post. It seems to hint that she didn't like one of Bellaphants first three posts.

-I am now neutral about wagons during RVS. Still not a fan, but no longer against them. Didn't feel like swapping my vote off of Bella yet because I wasn't ready to make a non RVS vote and I don't like cluttering votes between RVS and actual reads.
-I RVS voted Bella and didn't want to move my vote until I saw more posts from Bella and others for above reasons. Still have Bella at null.

sorry been a bbad day, prod doge
how we doing lynching alonzo

Why the rush?

You've barely got 1 page of posts to catch up on there.

VOTE: mozamis

What's your stance on Alonzo right now?


Two posts from Alonzo ping to me, neither is mentioned by anyone. Before I mention anything about these posts, I want to see more. But I'm not sold on the votes against Alonzo.

See my previous posts about how Alonzo was super duper lynchbait in my previous game with him.

Also that "townslip" is super easy to fake, and I did exactly that in my one scum game. I give it no credit for now.

I couldn't find this... Can you quote your post from that game?

In my post explaining all of the acronyms and whatnot I ended it with talking about how I was so excited to finally be able to post or something like that to sound like I was townslipping that I didn't have a scum thread to post in.

Even though I'd already test post it in scum thread. Too bad my scum partner got replaced before they could even participate lol.

@blooper, nauci had already moved her vote off me by your post.

Game feels super slow. Everyone, ask someone a question . I'll start:

@nauci, can you explain your read on me?
@wilky, what do you think about acid's latest post?

Your posts read as null to me and I'll have to ISO you later once there are more of them.

Did someone say they'd played with Alonzo before? Was he as lynch baity there?

Yes. See my earlier post. And apparently Acid also saw him get D1 lynched. It's why I'm hesitant to bus him. He's like dunkerdoodle; posts so scummy as town that he gets away with it because I'm tired of mislynching.

Why do you suspect Bella?

Why would I answer this right now?

Gives them alot of time to ammend the behaviour no?

Sigh.

The much bigger problem right now for town is potentially mislynching you. We need more reasons to be able to read you than this shenanigans with Bellaphant.

Give us a reason for your read so we can read YOU. If you're town, it's your job to be pro town and not make us mislynch.

It's really hard to not lynch you based on your posting so far, so I really hope you're scum and not just smokescreening scum.

Why the rush?

You've barely got 1 page of posts to catch up on there.

VOTE: mozamis

gave up caffeine yesterday. Dont recommend it lol
So yeah, i wa son a downer.
Anyway, i herar what you are saying. But i think we've got scum here, so i dont want us to get too sidetracked.

We're not even 1 week in yet, and you made that post like 3-4 pages in. I really dislike this half assed tunneling so early on when multiple players have talked about how he always posts like lynchbait.

Post more so we can get reads on more than just Alonzo if you want to be pro town.

For now, you're my strongest scum read.

So does anyone have a convincing argument against anyone? I prefer to not post much during the start game and look for leads and then start conviction with more evidence.

This isn't how mafia games advance. You can't just sit back and let everyone else stir the pot. That sort of okay is really good for scum, not town. You're my other biggest suspicion.

Bella, do you have any feedback for my analysis thus far?

[Nauci]

Adding onto that I like Nauci's 109 answers questions and creates content in the game. I would say though that not lynching Alonzo just because he was lynch bait in other games wouldn't be my preferred way of going about the game.

@Alonzo not sharing why you read someone isn't going to get you town cred from anyone is it?

It's not that I'm against lynching him

But I'm against rush lynching him, and I'm *very against* giving scum room to just lazy FOS him and not give us any other reads.

[Nauci]

I know town doesn't lie but apparently I lied and will actually post some of my thoughts now because insomnia.

R I P. I was stuck awake late last night but thought staring at a screen would just be worse for me since I already had a headache.

Yes. See my earlier post. And apparently Acid also saw him get D1 lynched.

It's why I'm hesitant to bus him.

He's like dunkerdoodle; posts so scummy as town that he gets away with it because I'm tired of mislynching.

...bus?

Oops! On the forums I used to play on we used bus and wagon interchangeably instead of the meaning here. I played like 8 games there so it get stuck in me sometimes.

Damn if I didn't know I'm town I'd be wagoning myself for that. What a bad fuckup lmao.

[Nauci]

It's a super private WoW community forum similar to something awful but much tighter knit. Based on the old school Elitist Jerks forums. Mafia games were just a small section.

Man this is going down as my worst town game ever.

Bus on my forums meant bus driver/wagon puller, and throwing under the bus was throwing, but throwing here means throwing the game and bussing means throwing under the bus. Damnit scum team must be so happy rn lmao

[Nauci]

It's funny because I would never make that mistake as scum in a million years because I'd plan my posts so carefully

[Nauci]

1: I get really really really annoyed when I get misgendered when my pronoun is listed right there!
2: pretty squarely think Smile is town
3: more thoughts later

[Nauci]

Well, my thought is currently "it's not real".

I have no idea how to explain it credibly but the slip isn't real, it was a legit accident, and IMO we should push some of our more quiet players before ending day 1.

I like Acid's play and think he's town. IMO, if Acid were scum there'd be very little point discerning which one of Alonzo or I are the first lynch or any need to try to exonerate me because it's an easy Lynch to drive on either of us at this point for scum's purposes.

[Nauci]

I'm saying he's probably town because he's not doing the thing that would make sense if he were scum. I'm explaining my town read on him...

Like, because he cares which of us gets lynched first, but scum wouldn't, I'm giving him town credit.

[Nauci]

I've only seen Acid's town game, and it was admittedly much more light-hearted than thus far.

[Nauci]

Wow, that blew up. Not hammering though.

Also, wanting to lynch Alonzo to figure out whether the word "bus" is a slip seems stretchy. It's basically impossible for Nauci's post to be "oops wrong thread" in a newbie game. I don't think it definitively links the two of them.

Some part of me likes that Nauci explained the terminology difference instead of trying to play it off like a joke. Like imagine if instead the reply was "Well obviously I'm lock scum"

That said, @Nauci, where'd you find the definition that readily?

I'm sorry I'm not sure if I understand your question.

Find which definition readily?

[Nauci]

I feel like all of mozamis' recent posts are rushing to lunch Alonzo and that makes me feel really not good about him, despite some early participation.

[Nauci]

That said, @Nauci, where'd you find the definition that readily?

I'm sorry I'm not sure if I understand your question.

Find which definition readily?

About how the word "bus" is used here.

I've played, uh, technically 5 games here (one was a no post 5 person game I replaced into) so I know what things mean here.

I just slip into other forum meanings sometimes.

[Nauci]

But showing early weakness gets action going.

i mean, this is ABSOLUTE GARBAGE
it's just an outright lie. lynch this scumfuck lol

This is actually a pretty good catch. That's a reeeeeeeaaaaaally icky post.

[Nauci]

I'm willing to hammer once we've heard more from golden, blooper, and Bella.

[Nauci]

@jodaxq hi i dont' have time to do anything real but do you wanna talk at each other and alignspews

(this post conveniently also functions as a prodge)

What do these words mean

Also

My willingness to vote Alonzo is mostly because even if he's town he's going to be distracting lynchbait with so many posts that it doesn't really matter, IMO.

I'm not shy about policy lynching.

[Nauci]

Other random thoughts!

Nauci, let's not policy lynch in a newbie? Feels like bad habits.

Also, wagon analysis is shit, but I hate how the current leading one is made up.

I feel nothing about the glden paradox and the slot Jo replaced into, so I guess that is my null line. I need to look at smiles more.

Good point. I'll avoid policy hammering.

I am starting to get all WIFOM with Moz. Would scum still scream for someone's head after this many people suggested otherwise?

Then again, I had a game where a Scum slot made it into day 6 or so because the original poster screamed for a lynch on a scum teammate for like 2 straight pages and cruised on the town credit from that. But I generally take tunneling as a bad town strat, not scum.

UNVOTE:

I'm also oddly unconvinced on replacement's towniness, which is weird for the effort level. Those kinds of posts immediately upon being able to post make me feel a sense of "oh shit my slot looks scummy I better effort post it up."

[Nauci]

UNVOTE:

[Nauci]

VOTE: Acidphoenix

Vote prodding, woo

[Nauci]

THAT'S -1, DO NOT HAMMER

[Nauci]

Oh man "dead air dead villager" is such a good way of putting it. I've had that be the cause of hunches all the time without being able to put it into words.

Smile I will be heartbroken if you aren't town.

[Nauci]

i'm fine going back to alonzo too i just hated literally the only posts i saw from ^

smiles, nauci prob v
bella less so

leaves(convenience): wilky, jodaxq, moz, alonzo, tgp
wilky other people really don't want to vote so /shrug
jodax i'm going to wait for more than that entry
moz i don't wanna vote for bad reasons

@nauci "wanna talk at each other in alignspew" = i

probably

did this in 1828, remember the spew your alignment game?

Ohhhhh.

[Nauci]

in retrospect lolslips probably applies but i was still happyish with an alonzo vote given a. lolpoe and b. the amount of attention / energy i've had for this game

is anyone here for rti; catching up, i'll click to new post if i see the unread post white text

What's RTI?

[Nauci]

I don't find those Acid posts particularly contributing. Nor Golden's.

Hmm.

[Nauci]

HIGH FIVES ALL AROUND GUYS

Okay I think my current tiers are:

smilefires, wilky (both have a lot of good, substantive posts with what read to me as town motivation)
Jodaxq (null, leaning town)
Bella (null)
TGP, Alonzo (FOS! I had Mozamis here but I guess he's defintely not scum!)

I'll write up something more in depth when I have time later.

Awesome reads, people!

[Nauci]

I can't understand the NK except as a desperate shot in the dark to figure out PR. Maybe it was suspicious of a slip?

Also, TGP, why would you claim VT with just one vote on you?!!? FOSing you so hard.

Megapost Inc when I get to a PC.

[Nauci]

Sorry guys I'm a little intoxicated so I've decided to share a story. It's about a dream I had last night. I dreamt I was out on patrol when a hot hipster chick with purple hair and red eyes appeared in front of me. She had these little bat wings sticking out of her head and she flew over to me. She whispered into my ear that

TheGoldenParadox

was mafia.

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

this explains so much

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Well played, Jo.

[Nauci]

That's -1, we have a hard claim, so unless someone wants to counter claim, I'm ready to see a hammer.

[Nauci]

You all really don't need to spend any more effort in this game. I know it's hard to not speculate on the NK, but eventually TGP will come in and tell us. We've probably got to wait through the phase where he accuses me of being scum because I'm tunneling him first though

Oh, so this is what it is all about; me claiming vanilla townie. Thank you Nauci for clarifying.
I thought that what you're supposed to do. Claim before the first vote no matter what. Obviously, you guys don't do this.
That's certainly what me and all my friends do when we play mafia irl.
Anyway, I don't accuse you, Jodaxq, you look like a town.
Didn't I hear you say that these "scum" slips rarely ever are scum?
I have never played forum games like this, only irl games and Mafia Mystery.
Why don't you try keeping your mind a bit more open? I'm not scum, and if you lynch me, then I flip town, and the mafia will have a huge advantage.
Why would there be a mozamis nightkill? What if VOTE: Alonzo did it because mozamis was attacking him yesterday?
You have the choice to vote me. But I encourage you to keep a little bit more of an open mind, since everyone makes mistakes and everyone slips back into different gameplay and common things sometimes.
Likewise, I would like to issue an apology to Nauci for strongly attacking you yesterday. Nauci, I know how it feels when you slip back into doing things in other places.

Honestly this pocketing post was *so scummy* that even if we didn't have the cop claim I'd have had a hard time letting this game go another 24 hours.

[Nauci]

*runs around high fiving everyone*

Jo you really carried hard! Really really swung the tide on Acid day 1.

Those posts test me how to post. Also day 2 was hilarious.

[Nauci]

My other 2 newbie games revolved around BP game a lot and I really enjoyed having a more organic one.

Reading the Alonzo mislynch wagon was actually a pretty big deal.