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I don’t understand saying the game is over—if we’re right about Python being scum (which is pretty guaranteed based on that first post from them), then we’re at 6:2, which is honestly good odds.
I also do not think 2081 is a thought process that comes from an actual JOAT—admitting to AtE is already weird enough, but then saying it’s so you like a vanilla Townie? I don’t understand this line of reasoning at all.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I’m not sure why they would kill Roden, to be honest. It would make more sense—if they wanted an easy scapegoat—to either jump onto my push for Roden and then eliminate me, or just push me for my insistence on killing someone.
Like, if I was scum, why would I townflip the slot I’ve been trying to eliminate the entire game?
I also really don’t understand while Smiley is still alive—I feel like we’ve kind of confirmed Smiley as actually being a Jailkeeper due to Python flipping as scum. Why keep around someone conftown who can potentially block a kill?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I thought BlackStar had solid reasoning for scumreading me for most of the game, but once we all claimed, it was very clear that, if I trusted Black and Smiley (which I did), either BlackStar or UsesPython were blocked from committing the nightkill. Out of the two of them, I trusted UsesPython more, and therefore chose BlackStar to go first.In post 2109, TheHoldSteady wrote: i think annie's reads + the incredibly sketchy switch to limming blackstar at the last second makes him my leading candidate for scum. annie explain your progression on blackstar please?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I don’t understand what you mean by this.In post 2114, Enchant wrote: To implue that "Mafia fears hitting doc save".Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I would like to push forward the idea of eliminating OWER—I feel like he has been piggybacking a lot of wagons, including the D1 wagon on me, the Wartortle wagon, and the BlackStar wagon.
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Ah, took me a second, but I get this now—I am unsure if I, uh, believe THS’s claim, but this could be fair reasoning to explain it. I just feel like there are better targets than Roden for the nightkill, though.In post 2116, AnimatedWiz wrote:
I don’t understand what you mean by this.In post 2114, Enchant wrote: To implue that "Mafia fears hitting doc save".Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I had a good town read on Smiley that has been borne out by mechanical evidence, and I also was correct about Black. I’m not all wrong, and I feel a lot of my reads are understandable looking back. You voted for a lot of the same people too.
Anyway, I don’t think voting for UsesPython after BlackStar townflipped and now being vocally suspicious of THS is evidence in favor of me “truckin’ like nothing’s changed.” My reads can and do change based on new information and periodic reflection—and if my scumread on you hasn’t changed much since very early on, it’s a sign that you haven’t done anything worthy of being townread in my opinion for the majority of the game.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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In post 2148, Enchant wrote: It doesh't imply that if i am town i must be correct.
There are too many of us here that have voted for miselims to conclude that poor voting is not town-indicative—we pretty much all have blood on our hands.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I see Enchant’s theories here making sense—I’m unsure if Naerys’s/Roden’s thoughts about Shea are correct though, as I’d more readily think OWER was the partner.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Honestly, I’m fine with this PoE—would personally like to go for OWER second instead of me (for obvious reasons), but I think this all lines up with everything I’ve been able to figure out so far. Happy to sign off on this with my vote.In post 2156, Enchant wrote: How i see game.
Out of table:
Black - Macho 2-shot Watcher- Killed by Mafia N3.
Spoiler: Acts
BlackStar - BG- Executed 3D
Spoiler: Acts
Python - Mafia Goon- Executed D4.
Roden - VT- Killed by Mafia N4.
Hu Tao - VT- Executed 2D
Wartortle - VT- Executed 1D
Enchant - ???- Living
POE:
Smiley - Lazy JK
Spoiler: Acts
THS - JOAT (Vig/Tracker/Doc)
Spoiler: Acts
Naerys - VT
Annie - VT
OWER - VT
Thestatusquo - VT
Mafia kills:
N1: THS tries to kill TSQ. Direct Jail.
N2: Python tries to kill Black. Direct Jail.
N3: THS kills Black.
N4: THS kills Roden.
THS>Annie>OWEN probably must win.
Start voting.
VOTE: TheHoldSteady.
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Why not? It tracks with everything I’ve said earlier this day—haven’t trust OWER, don’t trust THS any more. I’m happy with a POE that includes them, even if it means I might not be alive to see it completed D7.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I mean, I’m not just going to lie down and let myself get voted tomorrow, but if the worst case is me going first, then OWER after, it seems like a great deal in my opinion. Just a bit of a slower win.In post 2164, Enchant wrote:
I expected more resistance really.In post 2162, AnimatedWiz wrote: Why not? It tracks with everything I’ve said earlier this day—haven’t trust OWER, don’t trust THS any more. I’m happy with a POE that includes them, even if it means I might not be alive to see it completed D7.
Eh whatever, if we lose we lose.
Hm… I should consider Smiley’s case on Enchant, but the mech work seems pretty clear so far. I’ll have to double check some possibilities I may have missed during the night.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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What does a misrep mean in this case? My brain can’t seem to figure it out.In post 2167, SmileyDude1 wrote: TheStatusQuo- Notable lack of interaction between the two slots while Python was alive. Could be partner indicative potentially. 2070 does stand out to me though. TSQ never voted Python day 3 (there only vote was 2008 on Naerys) and the closest they came to suspecting Python that day phase was 1738 which doesn't match the confidence expressed in 2070. Strikes as a misrep to me.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Thank you for explaining, Smiley. I think you’re right about what you meant—even though THS can switch on issues quickly during his town games, I don’t remember him ever hiding that fact. I do find it odd that he would say that after how he voted for me instead of Python.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Oh! Wow, I really cannot read—too many acronyms, I fear.In post 2173, SmileyDude1 wrote:
???In post 2171, AnimatedWiz wrote: Thank you for explaining, Smiley. I think you’re right about what you meant—even though THS can switch on issues quickly during his town games, I don’t remember him ever hiding that fact. I do find it odd that he would say that after how he voted for me instead of Python.
I was referring to TSQ's stance on Python. Didn't mention THS at all.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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This is… so horribly confusing. The only person here I feel I can actually trust at this point is Smiley, but even then the nagging feeling about a Jailkeeper being kept alive makes me unwilling to say it for sure.
Is there some world where Smiley is lying? Have we just all assumed he’s telling the truth when there’s a possibility of him just lying? I mean, he could have lied about jailing Python so we would eventually eliminate them and therefore it would “confirm” him, right?
Or is this just another WIFOM play? These kills are so weird—I don’t understand them mechanically.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I don’t think considering every possible take is a bad idea when we’re at LimLo—making sure that my one townread is mechanically and socially very trustable is the best protection considering how little actually information we have about everyone else here.In post 2216, OutWorldER wrote: Bro you're just trying to blow smoke at this point, there's zero way this take is genuine. Town does not come into Elo trying to discredit the practically confirmed JK at this point, after limming a Maf off the back of his jailkeep. A toddler could figure out that Smiley being scum here is ludicrous.
Plus, if do all trust Smiley’s not lying, then the fact that I was jailed twice in a row and it never stopped a nightkill is decent mechanical evidence in my favor—not confirming, but it’s more than most of the rest of you can say.
You have literally no mechanical clearance—the only claimed night action on you is a n2 track by THS, which had no result. Either you are an unclaimed Ascetic/Commuter, or there’s an unclaimed Roleblocker who targeted you that night. That’s super suspicious—especially now that THS townflipped so we know he wasn’t lying.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I feel like a Rolestopper would probably have prevented another night action by now if we had one, so I’m leaning towards the unclaimed Commuter/Ascetic idea far more—an idea which is really suspicious because a) both those roles are kind of odd for a townie in this set-up, and b) lying about not having either role (especially when it would help explain another’s night action) doesn’t help the town.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Finally, what use is there in sheeping Black when her last posts are just her saying her reads are in flux because she doesn’t have any real information?
In post 2034, Black wrote: I'm not confident in anything atm
I think I need to see some flips to figure out what's going on here
VOTE: BlackStar
Feel free to hammer
I can see sheeping THS’s final read on me, but not hers—not like this.In post 2035, Black wrote: I keep talking myself into lots of different scenarios here and I just won't be sure about any of them until I see some alignmentsHi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Hm, a Roleblocker would actually make leaving Smiley alive more logical, I suppose—especially since the Lazy modifier means that if the Roleblocker gets eliminated, it doesn’t change too much. I didn’t consider that.In post 2225, OutWorldER wrote:
Except it's not evidence, not anymore. That stopped being evidence the moment THS flipped, because it confirmed that there is some kind of blocking role. If there's a Roleblocker/Rolestopper they can just block Smiley/rolestop the killer every night and Smiley's JK is useless.In post 2220, AnimatedWiz wrote: Plus, if do all trust Smiley’s not lying, then the fact that I was jailed twice in a row and it never stopped a nightkill is decent mechanical evidence in my favor—not confirming, but it’s more than most of the rest of you can say.
Is this why you left Smiley alive? So you could say "well he's blocked me for two nights in a row and there wasn't any kills" while also roleblocking him to get a fake clear?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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But then again, I do feel like having a Roleblocker and a Jailkeeper in the same game would be a nightmare for NAR if they targeted each other (since you then have to decide if the Roleblocker gets protection or not), so I’m not too sold on that combination of roles after reading up on the wiki. Maybe a Rolestopper would work instead (one that can’t self-target)?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I’m also having this issue on multiple devices—I think the actual page’s data or something might be corrupted? Shame to possibly lose all the rules and info about flips and such, but at least it’s near the end of the game.In post 2209, Dannflor wrote:Currently having an issue accessing the first page of the game - OP and thread title will be updated as soon as this is resolved.Mod Notes:Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Thank you Dann—this will probably end up being really useful.In post 2235, Dannflor wrote: viewtopic.php?sid=&f=2&t=91848&user_select%5B%5D=19042
You can use this link for the time being. Post #0 is blank but you can see VCs and flips at the very least.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Also, I think we’re all in agreement about slowing down to make sure we don’t make any stupid mistakes, so hopefully that means we can all try to put our heads together and figure this out (even OWER and me).
Also, who else has played with Shea here? I’ve been getting repeated weird vibes from his posts in the past, and I’d like to check here if that’s just due to me not playing with him before or someone else is getting similar vibes.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I would really appreciate if we didn’t try to randomvote so early (or even at all here)—I would like the chance to read up on Shea’s past games to get a better picture of his play.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Thank you for quoting me—I should be free to finish my reading in about 6 hours or so and then give my feedback on everything.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Hi, I've returned!
My thoughts on Shea: y'all, I fear the theory of mind has left me, because even reading past games has not made understanding Shea's playstyle easy—I read through Amnesiac Mafia, and I would like to say Shea has been quite different this game, which leads me to be lean towards a townread for him? I, hm... my read of him and Black arguing around Day 3 made me incredibly suspicious of him for a time (I noted that I felt like at least one person in that interaction was scum), but upon looking at how he discusses with people in previous games I think he might just be like that. I wish I had a better grasp on him and his playstyle, but I don't think I got a smoking gun pointing one way or the other—just a better push towards town for him in my opinion.
Quite honestly, it was two things:In post 2263, SmileyDude1 wrote: Can you explain how you got to Hold being the top of your PoE here? Looking back through your stance towards OWER seemed more solidified to me then your stance on Hold (Compare 2130 towards OWER to something like2118 towards Hold), so it feels off to be content with limming Hold first there.
a) At that point in the day, I saw that getting a final, solid push on OWER was not reasonable given how much pressure had mounted on THS instead. Considering THS was settling somewhere around my 2nd strongest scumread at that time, and Enchant had promised a plan to go for OWER after, I thought it a reasonable compromise. Plus, I had been accused of sitting pretty and trying to slip under the radar, and I figured I should hammer there to prove a point.
b) THS was acting really, really odd. THS thought I was the best vote when BlackStar flipped green instead of, y'know, Python (who had pushed the policy elimination of both of them). Additionally, THS just announces that he feels it's certain that there's a Mafia roleblocker instead of his failed night action being due to an unclaimed Ascetic/Commuter OWER 2015, which I thought was indicative of partnering. Also, the claimed night actions were really weird in my opinion, like how he tried to shoot really early on (which upon looking at some stuff on the wiki, is not that uncommon and is sometimes recommended)—I thought there could even be a possibility of THS lying about a failed track on OWER after me and Black were hard scumreading OWER for a while before to get us to miselim OWER maybe (I thought of this as possible, but unlikely—but it still influenced me, I fear).
I would like to vote OWER, but I want Shea to have a chance to share his thoughts first.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Also, I'm a bit confused—why are you disregarding the idea of Shea and I being partnered, Smiley? I don't know if me needing to read up on him and saying I can't read him easily is like, great proof against that.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Hi, I held the idiot ball again!
I now understand you mean that we can't be partnered because we both would've just voted for Enchant or OWER to win the game instead of asking for more time to think.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Edited to include the correct reference post.In post 2278, AnimatedWiz wrote: b) THS was acting really, really odd. THS thought I was the best vote when BlackStar flipped green instead of, y'know, Python (who had pushed the policy elimination of both of them). Additionally, THS just announces that he feels it's certain that there's a Mafia roleblocker instead of his failed night action being due to an unclaimed Ascetic/Commuter OWERin 2105, which I thought was indicative of partnering. Also, the claimed night actions were really weird in my opinion, like how he tried to shoot really early on (which upon looking at some stuff on the wiki, is not that uncommon and is sometimes recommended)—I thought there could even be a possibility of THS lying about a failed track on OWER after me and Black were hard scumreading OWER for a while before to get us to miselim OWER maybe (I thought of this as possible, but unlikely—but it still influenced me, I fear).Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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...the edit is not linking to the right one either—I meant 2105.
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I don’t want to hammer right now—I would like to think and consider my options because I really would like to not be responsible for the final miselim if I can help it.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I do think it’s likely OWER here, but I would like to try to figure out who the most likely partner pairing is here—I could see OWER as scum and Enchant as a partner with Python, with them perhaps bussing each other here in the hopes that it’ll make the other on the chopping block not look like a good target?
Or is it possible that I’ve misread Shea, or even Smiley (not really possible on the last part, as it requires a really complicated series of lucky actions for the facts to line up how they do).Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Ugh, but if I stall on OWER’s elimination, people could claim I’ve been bussing all game until the end when my true partnership is suddenly revealed.
This is awful. I hate being a deciding vote in these kinds of situations—so many factors to weigh.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Looking back at Enchant and Shea’s ISOs, I do feel like Enchant has said more, and pushed more… but I think that a lot of Enchant’s reads, such as that on me, or Black, or Smiley, are overall odder looking back as opposed to Shea’s—however, I do think it’s a bit hypocritical of me to say that having incorrect reads is scummy considering I have a track record a bit beneath 50% right now.
I just… the vibes feel off with Enchant when taken as a whole. Both have such different playstyles from mine—but especially Enchant’s, because they actively try to hide their thoughts and information to fly under the radar and to keep people from using it against them. It’s not necessarily scum or town-indicative for Enchant to play like that, but I think they’ve played the endgame here differently compared to our last one together—a lot more theorizing and pushing and it’s hard not to think it’s suspicious due to the change.
I… I feel like our scumteam is Enchant and OWER, and I am going to really, really hope I’m not screwing this entire game up by voting:
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…Smiley? You have to be kidding.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Yeah, no kidding. I really focused on the wrong people—and really didn’t analyze the possibility of Smiley being bad once I was challenged about it.
Outplayed, I fear. Good game.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I’m so confused.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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OWER, were we right?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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So now it’s me, you, and Shea. I, the person with probably the most trouble reading, is stuck with the two people he had the most issues in getting a read on.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Taking out Smiley was probably the best choice in each scenario where one of us is mafia—he’s the closest to conftown out of all of us and would mean the other townie alive would probably just vote for the mafia by default.
Shea probably had the least reason, as Smiley trusted him the most out of us, but I don’t think him killing me or Enchant would be worth the possibility of getting an insta-vote.
I probably have the most reason to kill Smiley, because it helps validate the idea that I’m the most mech-cleared due to be jailed, and since Smiley said that OWER and I couldn’t be paired due to us firing on all cylinders at each other it also makes that idea seem more ironclad.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I’m unsure what to make of Enchant’s bluff about them being mafia during twilight—could be a play to make the other mafia member reveal themselves by responding weirdly, or could just be an attempt to look like that.
Neither Shea or Smiley responded in ways that made super suspicious, so I don’t feel like I got too much out of that interaction aside from just being confused.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Enchant has worse associations overall, especially with Python, but Shea’s been a lot less directly interactive with anyone. I need to comb through the ISOs and see what I can find on that.
Currently leaning towards Enchant, but I’m not going to be stupid and vote early without getting a better feel for what’s happening here.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Well, if I was mafia, I would say making sure I get to the final ELO with the most mech in my favor is a good change from my last game where mech did me in.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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It’s very unlikely that a game with two Roleblockers with the ability to target each other a Jailkeeper and a Mafia Roleblocker in this case) would be allowed by the mods to avoid issues with NAR (since you run into issue about whether the Roleblocker is considered protected or not).
However, a situation with Roleblocker and a Rolestopper who cannot self-target (a Jailkeeper and a Simple/Disloyal Mafia Rolestopper) is easy to resolve and would also explain THS’s lack of results on OWER.
We know that both mafia who have died are not Rolestoppers, which means that the remaining mafia HAS to be the Rolestopper. If I’m the last Mafia, I could not prevent my own jailing, which then prevents me from killing anyone.
Technically, OWER could have been the one to commit both kills, but that requires some good guessing on targets.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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In the universe where I’m mafia, OWER has to commit both of those kills.
In the universe where you or Shea is mafia, either you or OWER has the possibility to commit those kills.
I’m not confirmed, but there are more possibilities explaining those kills if I’m not the scum here.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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What are you talking about? Both nights I was jailed, someone died (Black N3, Roden N4).
Plus, it doesn’t matter who the Rolestopper targeted on N3 or N4 as long as it wasn’t me (which, if I’m the Rolestopper, I probably can’t target myself to avoid NAR issues). What about my argument on there being a Rolestopper instead of a Roleblocker is confusing you?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Oh, good catch—has to be a Simple Rolestopper, then! Prevents self-targeting but allows for you to target a Mafia Goon.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Because of the issues with resolution—if there is a Mafia Roleblocker, they would have to be unable to target the Jailkeeper, because otherwise it would be difficult to figure out what actually happens
If, for example, Smiley and the Mafia Roleblocker target each other, and then THS uses his vigilante shot on the Mafia Roleblocker, what happens? Is the Roleblocker protected due to the Jailkeeper? But the Roleblocker is preventing the Jailkeeper from jailing them… but the Jailkeeper is prevent the Roleblocker from targeting them, and so on and so forth.
None of the Normal modifiers you can give a Roleblocker can prevent this while still allowing them to prevent THS’s track on OWER.
But a Simple Rolestopper is immune to these issues since it can’t target themselves, and also allows for the failed track to be explained since it can target OWER.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I suppose it’s still possible, that’s true.In post 2340, Enchant wrote: Even if theory that Mafia Rolestopper exist, then it does nothing to help your case.
You could simple target OWEN every single time. If OWEN jailed you block jailkeeper. If you jailed, OWEN still free to act.
I do think my argument about there being a Simple Rolestopper holds up though—I would find it incredibly unlikely for there to be any other role that could explain the results here.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Probably because OWER was more suspicious at that point in the game. He had been the target of a major wagon already, and by contrast Python was townread by most people.
Likely thought that a possible Vigilante kill or Cop investigation on OWER would be more likely than someone doing the same to Python.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Mm, that is a good point. Scum almost certainly knew that they could multi-task (heck, even Python said it publicly later on), so that wouldn’t explain it, and Python wasn’t a Ninja or Unstoppable and therefore doesn’t have an inherent reason to kill over OWER.In post 2347, Enchant wrote: Then why not let OWER perform kill as well.
I guess that, since OWER performing the kill is the optimal decision here, we have to assume it’s either a) bad strategy or b) weird strategy. I mean, the killshavebeen rather odd all game, so I think it fits into the pattern we already have.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I just wish we could know the thought process behind everything. I can see the Black and Roden kills explained as trying to assist OWER’s push on me, but I would think it easier to just help me miselim Roden and then miselim me due to all the backlash.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Oh wow, well, there goes my entire argument.
Thanks for clearing that up, though—I should’ve read more of the wiki.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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If there is a Roleblocker and they targeted THS, it explains why Python did the kill, and it also means I have no actual mech clear.
Aw man, it makes more sense with our known night actionsandit means I’m up for elimination again.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Well, I would say that Shea hasn’t been very interactive like I have (and is therefore in an easier position to hide), and I also was right about OWER when it counted—I could have easily just voted for you and hoped Smiley would’ve chosen the wrong choice.
Additionally, I’ve been sharing my thoughts a lot, so it’s hard to say I’ve been trying to fly under the radar like last game when you can read my progression on people and see my arguments in detail.
And why should I vote Shea instead of you, anyway? You’re not cleared either.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I fear the answer is just that I have a bad habit of assuming myself extremely competent when it’s not always the case—that, and I find my logic better when I externally process with others who can see the holes I unknowingly leap over.In post 2354, Enchant wrote: Most obvious way to learn this for you is to ask mod.
Failure to do this simple question but making assumptions is why you fail. You are not interested in knowing real answer, you interested in providing show that you put some brainstorm.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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What do you mean?In post 2356, Enchant wrote: None. In fact i already know i am dedicated way for you to win.
So can you cut it off?Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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I’m not going to be intimated into voting someone when you could be scum yourself—you’ve provided little defense and I find your unwillingness to cooperate not favorable to my read on you.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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