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[Gypyx]

and i'm the one strawmanning

[Gypyx]

I agree. The way you’ve acted over the last 10 or so pages is a lot more towny to me than Black+Jackson. Psyche I still in my heart want to be a towny but if you’re town then he’s scum and so your solve does just seem logical

Do you consider avoiding arguments, being static, refusing to think of any world that isn't the one you want (when red-checked), opportunism surrounding EoD1 wagons. Reacting awfully when pushed both times I have done a major push. Pocketing/flattering behaviour to get on my good books. Repeatedly using a strawman arguments and false assumptions and then avoiding responsibility for doing so etc etc etc. You think all of these are townie? Genuinely?

Jackson, i know how to play the game, if you were geniuenly thinking how i treated your slot was pocketing rather than someone attempting to have fun with a friend i'd be seriously reconsidering how much credit i give to your towngame

EoD1 was bad and i certainely didn't need to play this badly as scum to win, the opposite wagon was on deltawave and she probably would've ended up being pushed up, did i REALLY need to hammer Dann? no i didn't, especially considering most of dann's reads were wrong, why not let him say his stuff and push even more townies for the scumteam? THAT would've been the scumplay to do

my PoE is based on rational assumptions that this is a balanced setup with no mod WIFOM, you trying to demolish all of those isn't a good look

Once again, i'm calling out scum behaviour, you call it strawman, whatever

[Gypyx]

Reads are not confirmation, deepwolves exist. I know, because I am often one.
They didn't check you to be VT, they checked you to be vanilla which aligns with your claim.

NOOOOOO????????

HOLY SHIT JV STRAIGHT UP LYING

[Gypyx]

i refuse to belive JV doesn't know what a neapolitan does

[Gypyx]

looking through his past games right now

[Gypyx]

im not showing desperation because i have coping skills. this is me being healthy. cmonnn

what do you mean spending 6 real life hours in a forum thread isn't healthy

[Gypyx]

We need all town to vote

I’m not rushing

Did I say to fuckin rush?

yeah you did lol

[Gypyx]

so, jackson has designed normals previously, which makes me assume he has at least looked at the list of normal roles

there is otherwise no sign of a neapolitan in posts, which, to start off that's pretty impressive, but then once again shows towards his extremely weird lack of mechanical curiosity?

like, why would you even assume that a neapolitan is just a vanilla cop

ESPECIALLY IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY DOING SETUP ANALYSIS AND STUMBLED UPON A ROLE YOU DIDN'T KNOW TOWN JACKSON WOULD BE ENCLINED TO MAKE SURE HE'S ACTUALLY GOT A CORRECT IDEA OF WHAT JACKSON DOES, NO? JUST ME?

[Gypyx]

of what neap does*

[Gypyx]

like, this is very much a scum slip, it doesn't get more obvious than that, save for it, accidentally posting in the game thread a message meant for the scum PT

[Gypyx]

well also you’re a lot less town-confirmed than me, Luca, outworld+hu tao

In what way are you confirmed by any means? Same as Luca, Outworld and Hu Tao. None of you are confirmed

This game is actually giving me brain rot, I can't actually believe ketchup is borderline confirmed and is doing all this

Errrrrrrrrrrm Jackson wtf

Are you pretending like the neapolitan result wasn't just brought to my attention to be a clear?

oh yeah you're right sorry sorry I am multitasking with hectically acting as a messenger between my half-deaf parents

I should really stop using the word multitasking

sounds rough

[Gypyx]

Like actually piss me off

honestly i'd be pissed off too if i was scum and caught by setup stuff

[Gypyx]

so, jackson has designed normals previously, which makes me assume he has at least looked at the list of normal roles

there is otherwise no sign of a neapolitan in posts, which, to start off that's pretty impressive, but then once again shows towards his extremely weird lack of mechanical curiosity?

like, why would you even assume that a neapolitan is just a vanilla cop

ESPECIALLY IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY DOING SETUP ANALYSIS AND STUMBLED UPON A ROLE YOU DIDN'T KNOW TOWN JACKSON WOULD BE ENCLINED TO MAKE SURE HE'S ACTUALLY GOT A CORRECT IDEA OF WHAT JACKSON DOES, NO? JUST ME?

not just you
I appreciate your external analysis and am very much on your side atm
I just need more time

yeah no worries, we kinda need the whole town to be on board with things

[Gypyx]

I'm not caught, I made a simple mistake you're blowing up because you have fucking nothing except "omg they're all piling on me" and "lol he made a mistake he's conf wolf"

do i need to quote more stuff again or what's the idea here

[Gypyx]

my arguments go deeper than "omg i'm getting piled on" but i think this is the most obvious to see from an outside PoV

[Gypyx]

Piss off

i'd really like to talk to you about all this post game

[Gypyx]

well also you’re a lot less town-confirmed than me, Luca, outworld+hu tao

In what way are you confirmed by any means? Same as Luca, Outworld and Hu Tao. None of you are confirmed

This game is actually giving me brain rot, I can't actually believe ketchup is borderline confirmed and is doing all this

Errrrrrrrrrrm Jackson wtf

Are you pretending like the neapolitan result wasn't just brought to my attention to be a clear?

oh yeah you're right sorry sorry I am multitasking with hectically acting as a messenger between my half-deaf parents

I should really stop using the word multitasking

sounds rough

yeah but your situation here seems rougher lol

i mean, i'm playing a silly forum game of my own volition, honestly think i'm doing pretty good

[Gypyx]

scumCELS seething over hangmanCHADS

[Gypyx]

I hope Gypyx/Jackson's friendship hasn't been destroyed here

Of course not, I still love her. This is just so frustrating to me, I feel this is like arguing to someone that 1 + 1 equals 2 and they refuse to accept it

bad analogy though, like, reads are not objective truths, especially when he's trying to convince that my push is being made in bad faith, when i know for a fact that this isn't what i'm doing, portraying me as irrational for going against that is misleading

[Gypyx]

like, this is very much a scum slip, it doesn't get more obvious than that, save for it, accidentally posting in the game thread a message meant for the scum PT

god i wish i could perform this level of confidence about literally anything

try arguing about something that is true for a change, this really helps

[Gypyx]

I'm sorry for getting all heated before, a lot of things built up and that isn't fair on anybody

honestly it's ok in the end, don't worry about it too much

this is more about setting boundaries for the next time something like this happens

[Gypyx]

kinda waiting for outworld / hu / luca to decide on how things are gonna work tbh

[Gypyx]

I actually would rather rest for a bit as I've had a long day, but it feels as though things are moving so fast in this game and I'm worried about a repeat of D2.

I mean, it's gonna be a bit hard cause this time one the wagons is actually on scum

[Gypyx]

Ketchup really would've loved playing in gay mafia

[Gypyx]

I actually would rather rest for a bit as I've had a long day, but it feels as though things are moving so fast in this game and I'm worried about a repeat of D2.

Luca rest, Gypyx rest, everybody rest. IRL health is important

it's my depressive episode and only i choose the coping mechanism

[Gypyx]

Ketchup really would've loved playing in gay mafia

ohh my god what the hell is that LMAO

a game where the mod used a lot of colors
viewtopic.php?t=81773

[Gypyx]

This game is making my hair turn grey

mine is gray already so i've got nothing to lose

[Gypyx]

Jackson was the one who made this mistake though, not Black. Unless Black told him as much in the PT...?

I only brought up the mistake as an example of something people can push as an Obvious Scumslip even though there's nothing to it. speaking of which, i want to resurface this question:

I'm not caught, I made a simple mistake you're blowing up because you have fucking nothing except "omg they're all piling on me" and "lol he made a mistake he's conf wolf"

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

We mass claimed in like 12 hours of the day starting, I wouldn't say we lost any time at all

Shh don't tell anybody, I clicked the page 60 on my spam through the pages to see the last VC which I thought was at a particular page and thought we had a day left in a panic

It hasn't been your only mistake though Jackson

but ketchuppp. how does the mistake say anything about jackson's win condition? what does jackson win for pretending he doesn't know the difference between a neapolitan and a vanilla cop? do you really think he was hoping to ride that to your elimination? where does this thought process go?

the mistake says jackson was sloppy in his analysis of the setup, this either means jackson is a bad townie, or he's scum who doesn't actually need to perform the analysis that they throw out

[Gypyx]

i agree that it probably wasn't an attempt at killing ketchup, still there's a lot to get from it

[Gypyx]

black's iso just blah to me but i scumread her w ower based on poe. if the read is wrong, only hu tao is left. but i'm inclined based on costs/benefits analysis to agree that hu tao's claim seems credible. maybe more strongly i think that gypx's stances around hu tao demonstrate pocketing rather than team association.

gypx has been scumreading black all game but has never found the time to seriously push her.

there are reasons to dissociate them, maybe the chiefest being black's vote on her right now. but black's vote came late

-- after luca signaled a likelihood of voting gypx --

and can easily be hedging for the possibility of a forced bus, or w the aim of taking a possible team solve off the table. and besides, the vote doesn't put gypyx at L-1 and would be easy to move anyway after i make a mistake on the level of mixing up vanilla cop and neapolitan or something. so it's pretty safe vote and fits fine w/ black's relative skill as scum. i worry i'm wrong and that saying all this will push black onto my wagon, but this is my best take atm.

Well, he said he leant scum on her, but I'm sure he's not close to putting a vote down on anyone. He's reserved and patient as I expect town to be.

I think if Black is scum, she has played carefully and well and it is hard to find enough in her ISO to out her one way or the other

I think her play around late D1 / early D2 is very telling of scum

she basically waited for us to hammer then hopped in thread to mess with twilight just to make sure dann can't really be too useful with the time he has left

and her early D2 started by nudging town in the direction of there being 2+ scum on the wagon (which was wrong obviously, unless we're in the bizzaro world where me / jackson are bussing)

her NKA also reads as very opportunistic, basically saying "oh well you're saying this kill probably comes from a newb scumteam, that means you're framing them"

[Gypyx]

I actually would rather rest for a bit as I've had a long day, but it feels as though things are moving so fast in this game and I'm worried about a repeat of D2.

Luca rest, Gypyx rest, everybody rest. IRL health is important

Can you just let me know exactly where you stand on everything right now?

2304. Or in more detail:

town: me(hi i'm lonely come help me out)
probably town: Hu Tao, OutWorld, due to their power role claims seeming somewhat legit. If both are scum, all we had was a 1-shot watcher and a swingy vig. Seems unbalanced, so at least one is probably town, then if at least one is town, the macho synergises so well with the Jailkeeper that I think it makes sense for both to be town.
Also probably town: Gypyx, Luca. Gypyx feels like a town fighter to me. You had already done lots of good things early game (thought this game in ISO atm you could be anything, although you were the one who suggested this massclaim, and, wow! has it kicked things off. This inclines me to look at you positively as well.

The 3 who remain: Jackson, Black, Psyche

The way Psyche revealed his result felt super townie to me, the excitement was palpable, and his energy has been consistent with that.

Yes, Hu Tao and outworld are probably town, but I think you might be wrong on Psyche.

no it didn't?????????????????????

i mean, psyche is a pretty reserved person i can understeand that but there's nothing that really screams at me "oh yeah i caught scum in the act"

on top of that, the way jackson interacted with psyche who was "holding off" is extremely weird, almost as if he was aware of what psyche was about to do

[Gypyx]

I actually would rather rest for a bit as I've had a long day, but it feels as though things are moving so fast in this game and I'm worried about a repeat of D2.

Luca rest, Gypyx rest, everybody rest. IRL health is important

Can you just let me know exactly where you stand on everything right now?

2304. Or in more detail:

town: me(hi i'm lonely come help me out)
probably town: Hu Tao, OutWorld, due to their power role claims seeming somewhat legit. If both are scum, all we had was a 1-shot watcher and a swingy vig. Seems unbalanced, so at least one is probably town, then if at least one is town, the macho synergises so well with the Jailkeeper that I think it makes sense for both to be town.
Also probably town: Gypyx, Luca. Gypyx feels like a town fighter to me. You had already done lots of good things early game (thought this game in ISO atm you could be anything, although you were the one who suggested this massclaim, and, wow! has it kicked things off. This inclines me to look at you positively as well.

The 3 who remain: Jackson, Black, Psyche

The way Psyche revealed his result felt super townie to me, the excitement was palpable, and his energy has been consistent with that.

Yes, Hu Tao and outworld are probably town, but I think you might be wrong on Psyche.

please luca plsplsplsplsplsplsplspslsplsplsplspslpslsppls we're in ELo

[Gypyx]

mfw

basically this, like, why would jackson be "waiting" for anything, does he have any reason to belive that psyche has a guilty? after all a 1-shot watcher is a pretty tough role to use correctly and idk about everyone else but i just figured psyche was just waiting for mascclaim to be over to share thoughts

then when psyche actually claims :

ok you know what

- i watched drew last night
- gypx is scum
- i am a god a godddd a god
- null levels of info

VOTE: gypx

pedit: jesus let me post

So Gyp/Psyche are in a 1v1

UNVOTE:

ok you know what

- i watched drew last night
- gypx is scum
- i am a god a godddd a god
- null levels of info

VOTE: gypx

pedit: jesus let me post

You sprinkled that claim in like a champ I must say, I figured you had somethin' spicy

the "Gyp/Psyche are in a 1v1" is basically as neutral as it gets, no release of joy no nothing

then he unvotes me, claiming that he was afraid of being pocketed, which, fair, but why did he say absolutely nothing about that to psyche? No question no nothing i remain the focus of his attention as i'm the person who's actually of interest to him, not the claimed watcher with a guilty

and like, look this is just me bitching about vibes but "you sprinkled that claim in like a champ" is such an overconvoluted insicere way of congratulation a guilty,

[Gypyx]

Psyche is as honest as the day is long. gypyx feels a lot more manipulative this game to me. Remember when she tried to cast doubt on Ketchup end of D2 when he was obviously town?

luca

what do i need to convince you i am town

luca PLEASE

i mean, yeah as you said, ketchup was obvious townie, are people not allowed to have doubts anymore? like ffs outworld even used a check on him just to make sure, i'm not the only one who can get weary in these conditions

besides if i wanted to free up the room for more scumreads i think i had way more adequate targets than him, my doubts basically got shot down and that was it

[Gypyx]

basically this, like, why would jackson be "waiting" for anything, does he have any reason to belive that psyche has a guilty? after all a 1-shot watcher is a pretty tough role to use correctly and idk about everyone else but i just figured psyche was just waiting for mascclaim to be over to share thoughts

I just found the image funny

yet you claimed you knew psyche had something in store later on

[Gypyx]

basically this, like, why would jackson be "waiting" for anything, does he have any reason to belive that psyche has a guilty? after all a 1-shot watcher is a pretty tough role to use correctly and idk about everyone else but i just figured psyche was just waiting for mascclaim to be over to share thoughts

I just found the image funny

yet you claimed you knew psyche had something in store later on

What?

ok you know what

- i watched drew last night
- gypx is scum
- i am a god a godddd a god
- null levels of info

VOTE: gypx

pedit: jesus let me post

You sprinkled that claim in like a champ I must say, I

figured you had somethin' spicy

[Gypyx]

i'm honestly going a little insane seeing jackson do inconsistensy after inconsistency and never getting punished for it

[Gypyx]

im not showing desperation because i have coping skills. this is me being healthy. cmonnn

what do you mean spending 6 real life hours in a forum thread isn't healthy

please take care of yourself eeeeeeeeee

no

[Gypyx]

also a drew watch was a particularly obvious action that i feel like anyone would suspect may have happened once i made my claim. based on how you reacted to it am pretty sure you saw my result coming too

yeah cause 1-shot watcher is such a terrible claim lmao, you at least could've tried saying even-night to make it more realistic,

a 1-shot watcher is basically only there to claim your guilty while minimizing the ammount of info you need to fabricate, and potentially get caught doing

like, let me remind you this :

1-shot watcher is probably the swingiest role that could be added in this setup, assuming every claim is true, which, no jackson i will not entertain your theory of outworld being scum

1-shot watcher either catches a scum for the cost a role that basically does nothing more or does actually nothing and ends up as a neap miller

i do think that an odd-night vig is already a decent ammount of swing, as it either hits town (bad) or scum (good)

so yeah, 1-shot watcher, it's such a perfect fakeclaim role, like, it basically does nothing so it allows townies to think "oh well that's not too much power" while still being able to fake a guilty on top of that

[Gypyx]

Psyche is as honest as the day is long. gypyx feels a lot more manipulative this game to me. Remember when she tried to cast doubt on Ketchup end of D2 when he was obviously town?

also maybe i would have more room to act honest and calculated if i didn't have rabid dogs 1 and 2 (jackson / black) constantly trying to find anything that they can push me on

[Gypyx]

you were saying it was only allowed to bring null levels of info when i first made the claim

by that i probably meant my point about how this claim allows you to fake my guilty and that's it, nothing more to add, really convinient to avoid being caught fakeclaiming

[Gypyx]

go on entertain me, tell me how 1-shot watcher is a consistent role, if you do i will self-vote and like, that's something i'm actually swearing

this is mechanical info, you can't just take my arguments about damned if you do damned if you don't and reapply those with no critical thinking from your part

and yeah, but the problem is that since you're not actually a TPR, you needed something pretty inocuous that would actually be able to fit in the setup, anything more and it would be pretty obvious that you aren't actually what you're claiming to be

[Gypyx]

you were saying it was only allowed to bring null levels of info when i first made the claim

by that i probably meant my point about how this claim allows you to fake my guilty and that's it, nothing more to add, really convinient to avoid being caught fakeclaiming

i was the second-to-last claim. i in fact had plenty of space to make a really extravagant claim if i'd wanted to.
and imo you'd be making the exact opposite argument on the basis of this right now if i had.
similarly

you'd be presenting the exact opposite take on watcher's swinginess

if it were more convenient

so why the fuck are you arguing for this then

[Gypyx]

LITTERALLY IF ANYONE MANAGES TO MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF 1-SHOT WATCHER BEING A CONSISTENT ROLE I *WILL* SELF VOTE

[Gypyx]

there's litterally no way you think that's true Psyche

[Gypyx]

Psyche is as honest as the day is long. gypyx feels a lot more manipulative this game to me. Remember when she tried to cast doubt on Ketchup end of D2 when he was obviously town?

look ok i'm obsessing over this post but like

we are in 8p ELo

the scum player isn't gonna feel afraid and in danger, scum is in control right now, and Psyche is playing like he has all the time in the world and second chances

[Gypyx]

you can't just apply scumhunting principles without paying attention to context

[Gypyx]

hey Psyche how about you walk back the watcher claim and we just become buddies

[Gypyx]

the watcher result was enough to fulfill what i needed emotionally from this game. if it's not enough to win i'm fine with it. and yet i still keep refreshing this pageeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

why are you acting so anxious about winnning? You've already got 3 votes on me things are looking up for you aren't they?

[Gypyx]

tfw you open your microwave and you realize you forgot to eat yesterday cause your meal is still inside it and you were too busy nolifing on mafiascum

[Gypyx]

the watcher result was enough to fulfill what i needed emotionally from this game. if it's not enough to win i'm fine with it. and yet i still keep refreshing this pageeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

why are you acting so anxious about winnning? You've already got 3 votes on me things are looking up for you aren't they?

omg leave me alone

should i not be trying to kill scum?

[Gypyx]

anyways i'm impressed at how absolutely unworried jackson / psyche / black are in the fact that they're probably voting with scum in one way or another

obviously psyche kinda has excuses in that he's claiming a guilty on me but that's it

[Gypyx]

Votecount 3.6

Votecount 3.6

Gypyx (3):

Psyche, JacksonVirgo, Black

E-2

Psyche (1):

Gypyx

Not Voting (4):

Hu Tao, Luca Blight, OutWorldER, ketchup777

With 8 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution, and 4 to secure a no execution.

Day Three ends in (expired on 2024-02-19 03:52:11)

Mod Notes

None

By the way this means 2 or more of psyche Jackson and black are confirmed scum

If i'm scum this doesn't mean anything though (even if i know you belive in my innocence bestie)

[Gypyx]

im very worried. i posted about worrying. i have to
nononono i paid for this app called cold turkey and im going to use it good day madam

come back i need to squeeze you a bit more

[Gypyx]

well you go tell luca

[Gypyx]

why are you asking

[Gypyx]

i think we need to turn him off and on again

[Gypyx]

Gypyx do you have a completed scum game?

only pre-hiatus

[Gypyx]

What changed in the time between these posts:

UNVOTE:

actually this wagon sucks wtf

Hu Tao are you a member of the mafia

maybe Titus is the best vote we can acheive today actually

I just don't think it's Hu Tao

I think you might have explained it already, but it would save me sifting through hundreds of posts.

basically that's 2 different things

me unvoting titus and kinda angling towards hu was cause the titus wagon was absolutely shit and i was wondering if maybe i was wrong on hu tao being a PR who investigated me, i hoped this was a pretty clear signal to her

the other one was me trying to signal that i really didn't wanna do hu tao for reaons outside of "blergh, i'm townreading her"

[Gypyx]

Can you send 1

viewtopic.php?t=89068

this is the most recent one, although i have no memory of playing that one lol

the peak of my scumgame was probably tenet tho if that's maybe something you'd be more interested into

viewtopic.php?t=85288

[Gypyx]

Spoiler:

What changed in the time between these posts:

UNVOTE:

actually this wagon sucks wtf

Hu Tao are you a member of the mafia

maybe Titus is the best vote we can acheive today actually

I just don't think it's Hu Tao

I think you might have explained it already, but it would save me sifting through hundreds of posts.

basically that's 2 different things

me unvoting titus and kinda angling towards hu was cause the titus wagon was absolutely shit and i was wondering if maybe i was wrong on hu tao being a PR who investigated me, i hoped this was a pretty clear signal to her

the other one was me trying to signal that i really didn't wanna do hu tao for reaons outside of "blergh, i'm townreading her"

Can you pinpoint exactly when you started townreading Hu Tao/thinking she was a town PR who investigated you?

Incidentally, I actually thought Ketchup was a PR who investigated me N1, which was why he townread me so heavily D2. I townread him independent of that, though.

i don't recall the exact point when but it basically was somewhere around here :

2B is actually the one i disagree with the most ironically

it's very easy for scum to hide themselves in a team solve, have one misflip and "whoops guess i had it all wrong time to reevaluate" (aka : i'm free to vote the best vote for the scumteam)

later on team solves become more important as the restricted playerlist makes it easier to go by process of elimination

and anyways, consider this : scum!Hu Tao is doing this as scum cause she earnestly belives that's what town!Hu Tao would do / what she actually does as town

i think 2a is actually more interesting of a point given this kind of questions *can* come from town but generally townies who are way more engaged in the game

@Anyone interested in the Hu Tao wagon

do you think scum!Hu Tao ever kills Deltawave this night when it would feel pretty natural for town to aim on the wagon, and with Delta being dead, Hu Tao would basically be the next in PoE of the Dann pushers? Luca isn't a realistic lim to aim for given his generally high towncred

I really think we can solve her day 3 but for now i'd like a little more time please

the point of that second post was actually to get people off Hu Tao before she got around to claiming

[Gypyx]

scumCELS seething over hangmanCHADS

right look at this guys

Jackson chose LOVE as his hangman word. As he was the one suggested hangman, it’s possible he was ready for this for a while. Because what is LOVE an anagram of? ElO V!! Jackson’s practically gloating about us being in a 5 player ELO because he’s worked so hard for this!!

this would be so funny if this was the post that convinced luca

[Gypyx]

Can you send 1

viewtopic.php?t=89068

this is the most recent one, although i have no memory of playing that one lol

the peak of my scumgame was probably tenet tho if that's maybe something you'd be more interested into

viewtopic.php?t=85288

Can you explain why last game you kinda just gave up as town and this game you're more vocal and upset?

engagement, people playing in weird way that give all control to them and me straight up not mattering

fake fantasy facts had basically day 1 where i watched hopelessly as town wagon Gamma for reasons that ranged from bad to extremely bad and while i was hoping to be able to get things back on track day 2 comical going in with gambits of his own basically took all agency in his hands which is imo a pretty dishonorable way of playing the game

gotta admit i maybe overracted but after that the game was basically over for me and case in point even with me contributing nothing people eventually converged onto scum

as for today, it's 8P ELo, i have the whole scumteam confirmed to me, and if i manage to play just well enough maybe we'll manage the reverse sweep, you gotta admit it's a pretty exciting thing to aim for right?

i've also been trying to change up my playstyle since convincing people was apparently so hard for me to do, i'm still very bad at writing cases though so i've basically wanted to see how playing like a mafia goon with a green PM would work, ftr i think it's some pretty interesting results

[Gypyx]

i just woke up chat will i get anything out of reading JV and Gypyx yell at each other for *checks timestamps* six hours what the fuck

a headache

[Gypyx]

Can you send 1

viewtopic.php?t=89068

this is the most recent one, although i have no memory of playing that one lol

the peak of my scumgame was probably tenet tho if that's maybe something you'd be more interested into

viewtopic.php?t=85288

Can you explain why last game you kinda just gave up as town and this game you're more vocal and upset?

i've also been trying to change up my playstyle since convincing people was apparently so hard for me to do, i'm still very bad at writing cases though so i've basically wanted to see how playing like a mafia goon with a green PM would work, ftr i think it's some pretty interesting results

using more scummy tactics for town benefits, playing with confidence, that sort of thing
What do you mean a goon with a green pm how would that be possible

[Gypyx]

Can you send 1

viewtopic.php?t=89068

this is the most recent one, although i have no memory of playing that one lol

the peak of my scumgame was probably tenet tho if that's maybe something you'd be more interested into

viewtopic.php?t=85288

Can you explain why last game you kinda just gave up as town and this game you're more vocal and upset?

i've also been trying to change up my playstyle since convincing people was apparently so hard for me to do, i'm still very bad at writing cases though so i've basically wanted to see how playing like a mafia goon with a green PM would work, ftr i think it's some pretty interesting results

What do you mean a goon with a green pm how would that be possible

using more scummy tactics for town benefits, playing with confidence, that sort of thing

woops

[Gypyx]

i just woke up chat will i get anything out of reading JV and Gypyx yell at each other for *checks timestamps* six hours what the fuck

in short basically we argued about my PoE being too small, then jackson's intent being to push me to death rather than solving me then... yeah idk you get it honestly i don't think it's the sort of thing where you can easily extract info from it in any other way than actually reading it

it ended with jackson calling my arguments malicious repeatedly and me being done with things and while things are still tense between us we're kinda trying to play differently now

[Gypyx]

No, that’s more for townconfirming Hu Tao and Outworld (and by extension for you guys me, I guess). It’s a battle of the vibes, and I think it has felt more likely Gyp is being targeted by the mafia than the other way around. So it’s more likely Psyche in this 1v1

Battle of the vibes is where you're doing it wrong, vibes means nothing it's about content and theirs has been scummy the entire game

your content has been nothing but pushing me, zero solving over here since minute 1 of the day phase

[Gypyx]

like shit i wouldn't be asking this confident with a gunsmith guilty

[Gypyx]

I miss Drew, drew come back

Why? Drew barely did anything beyond manslaughtering 3 innocents in a short space of time. Do you miss him because he was helpful to you and your scum team?

honorary scumteam member Dr. Drew, expert in gun

[Gypyx]

I dislike how no matter what I do I get shaded and discredited by like three different people. I'm doing my best to put my thoughts into actionable words and all I'm seeing is cheap jabs at everything I do and honestly it's upsetting

holy shit it's almost as if you're finally in the position i was in since start of day 3

[Gypyx]

I dislike how no matter what I do I get shaded and discredited by like three different people. I'm doing my best to put my thoughts into actionable words and all I'm seeing is cheap jabs at everything I do and honestly it's upsetting

holy shit it's almost as if you're finally in the position i was in since start of day 3

You weren't in this position, people have been making logical statements about you. I'm getting scum-read for choosing a particular word in a hangman game, for making a mistake thinking neapolitan was a vcop and missing drew. Like it's genuinely upsetting me

yet i've debunked everything about me while the things said about you stick, i think this shows for something about our alignements

[Gypyx]

like shit i wouldn't be asking this confident with a gunsmith guilty

gunsmith guilty what did I miss

nah just another way of calling jackson tunneled don't mind me

[Gypyx]

I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I just townread her

VOTE: Psyche

Let's wait for Outworld to give his thoughts at least.

i mean, i'm not sure I have much insight.

i've scumread Gypyx essentially since she hammered Dann and that hasn't really changed especially with how D2 ended up playing out. The only hiccups I have was being unsure Psyche's claim could exist with all other PR's being real and just not really liking the timing of Psyche's claim. But the former I'm leaning towards being able to exist in the setup and the latter can be explained away by how the massclaim ended up working out.

So all in all I guess I just want to vote Gypyx but I'm scared of being wrong.

Outworld.

Do you think i really would, as scum, hammer a Dann who has his reads all over the place, is probably never gonna get comfortable in the game or at least not until a long time with the 2 other most likely followup wagons also being on town?

I get wanting to kill dann but this is just excessive now, have you read my arguments about black's interactions with dann? she has acted way more scummy than i did

D2 was also me getting a correct (but misguided) PR read on hu tao and trying to make the best out of it, i've tried eveything that i could to bring life into this town while jackson / black / psyche just coasted by, happy to let things take the turn that they did

Psyche's claim is also able to exist, yes, but i don't think it's a very reasonable role to exist as it really brings out a shitton of needless swing

[Gypyx]

Oh I see what's happening here, ketchup is getting pocketed

me when i'm not getting townread and i'm going to the first rational explaination

town can mindmeld too you know that

[Gypyx]

It keeps get fucking brought up, I'm sick of it

something something cognitive dissonance

[Gypyx]

I dislike how no matter what I do I get shaded and discredited by like three different people. I'm doing my best to put my thoughts into actionable words and all I'm seeing is cheap jabs at everything I do and honestly it's upsetting

holy shit it's almost as if you're finally in the position i was in since start of day 3

You weren't in this position, people have been making logical statements about you. I'm getting scum-read for choosing a particular word in a hangman game, for making a mistake thinking neapolitan was a vcop and missing drew. Like it's genuinely upsetting me

yet i've debunked everything about me while the things said about you stick, i think this shows for something about our alignements

No you haven't, but I'm also seeing the possibility that maybe I just haven't been good at expressing my thoughts so I'm gonna try and put them in more actionable terms. Can you do the same for your thoughts?

rlly not sure what you mean by that

[Gypyx]

do we agree that scum lies in Me / psyche / jackson / black at least

if anyone (not jackson) disagrees with this statement please come fowards

[Gypyx]

i'm saying all the wolves

yeah you do but like i already know you're opinion and we both are at each other's throats anyways, i'm looking to talk to town here

[Gypyx]

do we agree that scum lies in Me / psyche / jackson / black at least

if anyone (not jackson) disagrees with this statement please come fowards

I haven't fully ruled out Luca unfortunately, but your four is the likeliest pool yes

i honestly think keeping luca in the suspects does us more harm than good

[Gypyx]

do we agree that scum lies in Me / psyche / jackson / black at least

if anyone (not jackson) disagrees with this statement please come fowards

I haven't fully ruled out Luca unfortunately, but your four is the likeliest pool yes

i honestly think keeping luca in the suspects does us more harm than good

Why don't you think I could be scum?

Half because i feel that you've just been obvtown the whole game and the other half cause Jackson / Black / Psyche have basically all chosen to scumclaim to me in an attempt to make the game end today so there's kinda no room for you to be scum

[Gypyx]

Holy shit 10 more pages

Not gonna read all that rn

A lot of it is me losing my sanity

acting as if anyone is sane in this thread

[Gypyx]

do we agree that scum lies in Me / psyche / jackson / black at least

if anyone (not jackson) disagrees with this statement please come fowards

I haven't fully ruled out Luca unfortunately, but your four is the likeliest pool yes

i honestly think keeping luca in the suspects does us more harm than good

Why don't you think I could be scum?

Half because i feel that you've just been obvtown the whole game and the other half cause Jackson / Black / Psyche have basically all chosen to scumclaim to me in an attempt to make the game end today so there's kinda no room for you to be scum

Same question to you, gypyx.

If Jackson was confirmed town, who would you think is scum?

Jackson isn't gonna get confirmed town cause he's openly scum

[Gypyx]

do we agree that scum lies in Me / psyche / jackson / black at least

if anyone (not jackson) disagrees with this statement please come fowards

I haven't fully ruled out Luca unfortunately, but your four is the likeliest pool yes

i honestly think keeping luca in the suspects does us more harm than good

Why don't you think I could be scum?

Half because i feel that you've just been obvtown the whole game and the other half cause Jackson / Black / Psyche have basically all chosen to scumclaim to me in an attempt to make the game end today so there's kinda no room for you to be scum

Same question to you, gypyx.

If Jackson was confirmed town, who would you think is scum?

Jackson isn't gonna get confirmed town cause he's openly scum

Can you just answer the question for me? It would help in my sorting of you and psyche.

like, look, i'm honestly not buying any world where jackson is anything but scum but like, since you insist on your theory being entertained i guess it would be You / Black / Psyche

[Gypyx]

have you considered maybe being wrong

[Gypyx]

I have, and I don't think I am. Have you?

You certainely forced me into going through the process but nah i'm confident

[Gypyx]

Jackson and I are

Masons

Here are my crumbs:

While quoting my 24th post: (In reference to jacob's username)

So yeah, I'm definitely not voting anyone else but Bugs for today, but I'm gonna refrain from tunnelling and will turn my attention now to acquiring other reads. I'll return back to Bugs later in the day.

UNVOTE:

I actually feel overconfident town energy here, but do you have a scum of yours you could link in here?

I was looking for one and came across another game in which I easily read Bugs as scum early on:

viewtopic.php?t=82613

I have to do some work but will be sure to link a scum game of mine later. I can play pretty well as scum when i'm in the mood, but I'm definitely far more confident as town.

Here's the scum game in which I had my best performance: viewtopic.php?t=85772

I

may soon

get around to reviewing the likes of

Jacob

who I don't have any strong opinions on yet.

As Mon

day was my birthday I still feel like I'm on holiday mode, so I need to get my thoughts organised.

While quoting Jacob in my 42nd post (24 backwards):

i did not

i actually read the game first this time and made sure i was replacing into what i thought was more likely to be a town slot before i replaced in

This post is crazy to me. Clearly you didn’t read close enough. This feels like an incredibly flimsy defense. Despite me earlier doubts, I’m back with Luca and like Black’s thoughts.

VOTE: Dannflor

For someone who

moans

as much as I about the Bugs/Dann slot, you seem easily placated by Black is who continuously redirecting away from that wagon.

Just noting for later reference.

don't buy it

[Gypyx]

like, i'm sure you're proud of this reaction test or something but no, there's no way you're masons

[Gypyx]

it simply doesn't make sense for you two to be masons

besides if that was the game would be over by now since i'd be in quickhammer range and i digress (the scumteam would need to be {Hu Tao / Outworld} / Black / Psyche) to balance out the power budget

[Gypyx]

I've sprinkled a few softs of my own.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Gypyx

oh no jacob rolled scum again

Quite the opposite, funny how you label someone voting you as something scummy in and of itself

This is me claiming to be super town. Aka mason

Thomith:*Please welcome JacksonVirgo!*

I confirm, this is what happened

Claiming I joined the mason PT.

I suck at balance and mech stuff so I don't think I will be much help analyzing this mass claim

I'll carry, it's okay

This is me hinting that we will be keeping our claim secret and doing some analysis from the mason PT.


--

There's also a reason I was rushing results when only Luca had a claim left, I thought time was running out and I already knew he was gonna claim VT so we were ballin'

Worst masons crumbs i've ever seen, if you were actually mason you should be ashamed

[Gypyx]

it simply doesn't make sense for you two to be masons

besides if that was the game would be over by now since i'd be in quickhammer range and i digress (the scumteam would need to be {Hu Tao / Outworld} / Black / Psyche) to balance out the power budget

Oh but we are masons nonetheless. I tried so many times for you to jump out of the lock on the three of us wolf but you refused, that's on you sweetheart

you're telling me to image something that makes zero sense and now you're throwing the blame on me for not following

maybe it's a Luca / Jackson / Psyche scumteam actually, i'd honeslty buy that more easily than them actually being masons

[Gypyx]

I've sprinkled a few softs of my own.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Gypyx

oh no jacob rolled scum again

Quite the opposite, funny how you label someone voting you as something scummy in and of itself

This is me claiming to be super town. Aka mason

Thomith:*Please welcome JacksonVirgo!*

I confirm, this is what happened

Claiming I joined the mason PT.

I suck at balance and mech stuff so I don't think I will be much help analyzing this mass claim

I'll carry, it's okay

This is me hinting that we will be keeping our claim secret and doing some analysis from the mason PT.


--

There's also a reason I was rushing results when only Luca had a claim left, I thought time was running out and I already knew he was gonna claim VT so we were ballin'

Worst masons crumbs i've ever seen, if you were actually mason you should be ashamed

Oh no, whatever will I do

idk, keep course and lose the game?

If you are actually masons though i hope you're aware that delaying the claim was a huge throw

[Gypyx]

anyways, i'm just gonna wait for luca to walk back his claim then we'll kill psyche and hopefully this game can continue

There is simply no way the setup is

Mason
Mason
Odd-night Vig
Odd-Night Jailkeeper
Macho Neap

that's way too much power, and Hu + Outworld's claim are basically locked into each other where they can't exist without the other

i also don't buy the scumteam choosing to add so much town power to the claimed menu

so the only rational explaination is that this is bogus

[Gypyx]

It's cool that gypyx said how much she townreads me just before, because it basically means there would be no reason to make this claim at this point if I were lying.

i think you're thinking you're slick making a shit eating gambit but still town

[Gypyx]

anyways have i told you how much i despise shitty gambits like that

[Gypyx]

is it possible for the scumteam to be JV/Luca/Gypyx and this is simply the hardest bus known to man

or maybe i'm just town and they're trying to kill me

like, yeah, if luca doesn't walk back on his claim once he gets the reactions he wanted he's pretty much open scum

[Gypyx]

It's cool that gypyx said how much she townreads me just before, because it basically means there would be no reason to make this claim at this point if I were lying.

i think you're thinking you're slick making a shit eating gambit but still town

I think my crumbs prove it's not a random gambit I'm pulling.

If you're sceptical, go ahead and count the posts I referenced to make sure I'm telling the truth - first, quoting my 24th post, and second in my 42nd post.

There are higher odds of you wanted to fake being mason with a random person in that playerlist than you being actually masons here, i don't care what your crumbs are or how good they look, it's just not how it works

[Gypyx]

ok so let's entertain this for a bit luca if you're masons i want the following by the next 10 minutes :

the first 50 posts of the mason PT paraphrased with a rough timestamp

an explaination as to why you let jackson do such shit crumbs that don't prove anything

[Gypyx]

How about we both post a synopsis at the same time

if you're in the scum PT together this is easy to fake

[Gypyx]

Then what's the point of u asking him to do that anyway

like, what i mean is that it doesn't change anything if you two do it together

[Gypyx]

here's the thing like

i'm at that point where I don't think Psyche's claim is necessarily fake

but I'm in absolute disbelief of the masons claim unless it's just neighborizer pulling a gambit

i guess neighborizer exists yeah

[Gypyx]

this also means luca is absolutely pocketed by jackson but that's nothing surprising

[Gypyx]

yeah let's not forget the 1v1 here

[Gypyx]

i guess if there are 5 TPR's out of 10 townies with 3 scum

that gives me an 8/13 chance to get a Not VT Result, while also being macho and therefore liable to die immediately after claiming barring WIFOM on scum's end

maybe it's not impossible all claims are real, idk I'm bad at setup balance but I try

i don't think the nrg would approve of a setup with 5 conftown people in it

and if this is actually what we're dealing with i'm signing up for it cause clearly this shit has gone mad

[Gypyx]

the mason claims just make my poe feel better. in particular everything's just cleaner if ower's claim is fake. why is everyone townlocking him?

cause his claim fits well with your role being fake

[Gypyx]

I got the whole synopsis in my clipboard

post away

[Gypyx]

nah like, if this a neighborizer this still doesn't mean anything

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: Page 1 Synopsis

Luca and Jacob greet each other with a simple "Hello" (like exactly that lmfao). Jacob apologizes for being on Luca as he didn't mean to but tells Luca that he can press Psyche if he'd like. Luca acknowledges this and just says that Jacob can do whatever he's comfortable with, and he in fact likes Psyche's reaction. Jacob thinks that bug/OW are scummy. Luca then things he should leae a crumb in their 24th post to encode some way to claim masonry later. Jacob then says he should probably do the same (woah pro gamer strats). Luca then goes an explains typical masonry softing to Jacob the newbie mason. Luca thinks that bug is wolf, jacob then decides to sheep this read for the sake of the masonry (pro gamer strats). Jacob calls out post 88 as his soft, while Luca realises he did his 24th post but forgot to crumb like an absolute chump but will recover in his 42nd post instead, and in 170 he quote the 24th post in reference to Jacobs username (what a cool soft) but then decided to start distancing to avoid getting killed by the mofai (oh no so bad) Jacob then asks if he should hold the mason card in reserve in the event that Luca had bit the dust. End of Page (wow super cool)

still not buying it

look yeah i'm gonna be real you can't convince me that this is real masons, even if you flipped i would spend like 1 hour waiting for mod to stop fucking with us

[Gypyx]

you're saying the 1-shot watcher is real on top of all that?

[Gypyx]

look i'm gonna be real, there's NO WAY a setup has more than 3 automatically conftown roles

[Gypyx]

so, assuming the masons are real, there's pretty much only room for 1 more thing at best

i know psyche is fake and hu tao outworld's claims are both preposterous from a scum pov

this would mean the scumteam is Hu Tao / Psyche / Outworld

except i'd be dead by now

this is also why i'm complaining about you two holding off this claim until way later cause if this is real then you've nuked all credibility that you could've had

[Gypyx]

This is why we shouldn't rush this vote: The game is in solving distance.

yeah, then stop bullshiting and let us get back on track

[Gypyx]

I've been banking the masonry claim for so fucking long that I got blue balls from it, getting called out for the reasons I have is actually

insane

knowing I had this up my sleeve. I just couldn't do it, the plan was to try our best to try and get Gypyx out without claiming so that a non-confirmed but likely town person dies and we keep the masonry in tip top shape but that was pressured out because of Ketchups insistence (not blaming you, just what happened) on Gypyx as Town and as they're near confirmed town minus possible pairing with OW then we figured that it was no longer beneficial to keep it hidden. We had decided to ease the claim in somewhat to seek for possible TMI as I had caught Gypyx possibly TMI'ing in a few places but nothing substantial there just a feeling.

WHY ARE YOU HOLDING OFF ON CLAIMING THE MASONRY WE'RE IN ELO

this is idiotic behaviour and anyone who belives this masonry story loses any credibility for their mechanical views in my eyes

[Gypyx]

This is why we shouldn't rush this vote: The game is in solving distance.

yeah, then stop bullshiting and let us get back on track

I admire your determination, to continue in such a lost position. I'd have probably thrown in the towel by now.

the fuck do you mean this is lost you're the one making this hard for town right now

why is psyche town

why

his claim points to the contrary his BEHAVIOR points to the contrary there is litterally not a single towny thing about psyche apart his overall tone from what i'm getting off of you and apparently that's enough to make him locktown

[Gypyx]

no that's actually bullshit the scumteam is Jackson / Psyche / Luca

[Gypyx]

I've been banking the masonry claim for so fucking long that I got blue balls from it, getting called out for the reasons I have is actually

insane

knowing I had this up my sleeve. I just couldn't do it, the plan was to try our best to try and get Gypyx out without claiming so that a non-confirmed but likely town person dies and we keep the masonry in tip top shape but that was pressured out because of Ketchups insistence (not blaming you, just what happened) on Gypyx as Town and as they're near confirmed town minus possible pairing with OW then we figured that it was no longer beneficial to keep it hidden. We had decided to ease the claim in somewhat to seek for possible TMI as I had caught Gypyx possibly TMI'ing in a few places but nothing substantial there just a feeling.

WHY ARE YOU HOLDING OFF ON CLAIMING THE MASONRY WE'RE IN ELO

this is idiotic behaviour and anyone who belives this masonry story loses any credibility for their mechanical views in my eyes

Mafia is a game about information. Withholding information from the mafia is a strong tool, it trapped you in a shitty position did it not lmfao. It was optimal, there was no need to claim.

what do you mean trap me in a shitty position you're basically confscum if you keep this charade going

[Gypyx]

Possible scenarios:

a) Luca and Jackson are masons
b) Luca and Jackson are scum.

I guess they can't be apart actually

I fear Luca sprinkled in mason claims early as scum, prepared to use if necessary with one of his teammates. he never crumbed who he was mason with

what do you think is a gamestate that justifies this mason claim being real

i'm not seeing any that make sense

[Gypyx]

You already considered me confscum, what's the difference

here it'll be obvious to everyone at least

[Gypyx]

i'm so mad if this is how we lose

jackson has been nothing short of plain obvscum today and that's not gonna make any difference

[Gypyx]

Possible scenarios:

a) Luca and Jackson are masons
b) Luca and Jackson are scum.

I guess they can't be apart actually

I fear Luca sprinkled in mason claims early as scum, prepared to use if necessary with one of his teammates.

he never crumbed who he was mason with

Yes, I did? I crumbed I was masons with Jacob. Read the post again.

Also, why would I make this move here as scum when I've been townbinned by most of the playerlist?

make sure you win today so that hu tao doesn't find a lucky guilty with her jailkeep

[Gypyx]

Possible scenarios:

a) Luca and Jackson are masons
b) Luca and Jackson are scum.

I guess they can't be apart actually

I fear Luca sprinkled in mason claims early as scum, prepared to use if necessary with one of his teammates.

he never crumbed who he was mason with

Yes, I did? I crumbed I was masons with Jacob. Read the post again.

Also, why would I make this move here as scum when I've been townbinned by most of the playerlist?

make sure you win today so that hu tao doesn't find a lucky guilty with her jailkeep

It would be a stupid strategy with the claims that have already been made, and you know it.

idk sounds like that's not your first stupid strategic idea of the day so everything's on the menu here

[Gypyx]

Ketchup if you vote psyche then it'll be clear psyche is scum.

I can't risk a team like Gypyx/Black/Outworld punishing my vote

That's ironically the solve Luca suggested

Town Odd-night Jailkeepr
Town Odd-Night Vigilante
Town 1-shot Watcher
Town masons

yeah lol this makes a lot of sense, sure

[Gypyx]

Only way I'm scum is if I'm scum with gypyx and ower I think

Why ower?

Hu claimed jailkeeper

Ower claimed macho

there wouldn't be a macho role without any protectives

[Gypyx]

jackson is desperate to make this day more chaotic than it needs to be

[Gypyx]

it's so Psyche / Jackson / Luca

[Gypyx]

actually would a no lim be a bad idea or what's the deal

[Gypyx]

What's ur thoughts on what Black is doing then

throwing

[Gypyx]

jackson is desperate to make this day more chaotic than it needs to be

Come on, you've played your role in that.

i'm trying to conftown myself, jackson certainely didn't have to do anything in order to solve things if he was indeed town, especially a TOWN MASON

[Gypyx]

actually would a no lim be a bad idea or what's the deal

Yes. My jailkeep is big

was mostly thinking about outworld's neap

either scum kills him and we can kill the masons since it's pretty much sure that they're town
or outworld gets a result on someone and we get a new 1v1 / something

[Gypyx]

actually would a no lim be a bad idea or what's the deal

no lim just kills me unless scum WIFOM's to keep me alive for the ELO distraction/they don't think I'm actually macho. i don't think we get anything out of it.

wouldn't you want to flip so that we can be assured that the masons are fake?

[Gypyx]

Only way I'm scum is if I'm scum with gypyx and ower I think

Why ower?

Hu claimed jailkeeper

Ower claimed macho

there wouldn't be a macho role without any protectives

unless thomith playing us

honestly this wouldn't be unexpected in a complex normal, but this is a simple, we're not here for this deep of a mafia game

[Gypyx]

@jackson / actually @everyone

ok so, let's go, i'm gonna entertain you being truthful for 1 minute, counting now

why the fuck would i be so agressive on you, especially since you think i'm scumbuddy with someone who's fakeclaiming neap, i KNOW there is more unclaimed town power and yet when i see a townie who very clearly is looking for something specific, i wonder what that is

psyche knows what is going on and as such can tailor his responses to best fit the situation

[Gypyx]

actually would a no lim be a bad idea or what's the deal

no lim just kills me unless scum WIFOM's to keep me alive for the ELO distraction/they don't think I'm actually macho. i don't think we get anything out of it.

wouldn't you want to flip so that we can be assured that the masons are fake?

okay but I'm not guranteed to flip, that's the thing.

especially if Luca/JV are the scumteam they can just kill someone else to avoid the scenario you're presenting here. My Nea result can't guilty either of them regardless.

i think having a clear on me / black i guess would really help fowards the discussion here

[Gypyx]

can i get more page synopses from that mason thread? specifically interested in d2

Not D2 but I think this is better? I can do both just lemme know

Spoiler:

Thomith announces my arrival like a champ

1

. I ask if we're claimed or not

2

, deducing before I got an answer that we weren't because Drew was voting Luca

3

but he told me that he had crumbed quite thoroughly D1

4

. I was told that Drew was vigi

5

but I said that I wanted to try and pretend that I didn't know as to not risk leaking TMI to the wolves that I'm in a masonry

6

. I then noted my silly lil masonry soft in 1338 which I felt was super clever ahahaha

7

. Luca said he believes the towncore to be ketchup, drew, psyche, black and then the masonry which I agreed with for the most part

8/9

. I then talk through my thoughts as to not feeling it's Titus anymore

10

, Luca suggesting to vote Hu Tao instead as Luca had also had her and gypyx as a scum-read

11

. I note my town-read on Ketchup but was unable to get through a few behavioural issues that kept tripping me up and that I wanted to test it a bit (of which I did)

12

. Luca says that he thinks Gypis softing PR

13

(and a small bit later ketchup too)

14

of which I agreed and thought it had to be a clear on Hu Tao but decided to disregard it until they were to claim because we already had a masonry and a vigilante

15

. He thinks it's probably logical to throw titus to the grave and then massclaim tomorrow

16

but it was an unsatisfiying elim which I agree

17

with but I didn't post that on this page. He said that he thinks that if he's wrong on a TR it's probably black but he doubts it cuz of her recent posting.

18

and this is supposed to take multiple pages?

almost sounds like there was a 3rd player you don't wanna acknowledge

[Gypyx]

@jackson / actually @everyone

ok so, let's go, i'm gonna entertain you being truthful for 1 minute, counting now

why the fuck would i be so agressive on you, especially since you think i'm scumbuddy with someone who's fakeclaiming neap, i KNOW there is more unclaimed town power and yet when i see a townie who very clearly is looking for something specific, i wonder what that is

psyche knows what is going on and as such can tailor his responses to best fit the situation

I don't know who you're paired with, I can only speculate but I think you're a wolf nmw and everything else needs to fit alongside that.

why isn't luca voting me?

[Gypyx]

honestly jackson i'd love for you to be mason just so that this can be a learning experience for you, you're very much playing terribly as town

[Gypyx]

my attention is still divided and all this is moving too fast for me to meaningfully digest. is there anything i need to address right now?

why did you not see Luca visiting Drew too?

[Gypyx]

Don't fuckin' patronize me

i'm patronizing you as much i'm gonna need

[Gypyx]

That's rude as fuck, how dare you

you're not sounding very angry rn

[Gypyx]

Genuinely, how dare you

cause this day is full of stupid shit and i'm tired of sugar coating it when everything has been getting on my nerves

[Gypyx]

I'm leaving. Mislim and win your fucking game Gypyx. Hope this makes your win really feel good

yeah sure whatever

[Gypyx]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

[Gypyx]

made me laugh

you can be locktown

[Gypyx]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

I think it has to be this or psyche / black / ower

There is no other possible teams imo

i'm so pissed regardless

idk this game is just looking completely fucked regardless there's a point in the town with a huge divide and people aren't gonna stop disagreeing all of a sudden

[Gypyx]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

I think it has to be this or psyche / black / ower

There is no other possible teams imo

Psyche just looks so much like buddies with jackson

[Gypyx]

i really don't get why luca is hellbent on calling psyche townie

[Gypyx]

honestly i'm really hoping it's psyche / jackson / luca cause that's basically the only scumteam i have the mental capacity to kill right now

I think it has to be this or psyche / black / ower

There is no other possible teams imo

i'm so pissed regardless

idk this game is just looking completely fucked regardless there's a point in the town with a huge divide and people aren't gonna stop disagreeing all of a sudden

I'm going to give it all I've got. I want to win (:

yeah i'm doing that too but i'm running out of energy and this game just gets more stupid

[Gypyx]

at least you're enjoying yourself

[Gypyx]

Did our best to keep it lowkey so that we could survive with the entire masonry intact after you go out

You don't know that you'll survive the night, though

The reason we held back the claim was so that we could survive the night and announce it tomorrow, but people were getting trigger-happy with votes and misled by an incomplete picture of the role claims, so I thought it was in the best interest to claim now.

That's why I asked you questions like whether your psyche scumread was influenced by the setup.

*deliberately hides half of town's power*

oh wow massclaim is going badly i wonder if we should intervene

[Gypyx]

at least you're enjoying yourself

it's time for you to go parading through the french streets with a strawberry crepe
come back soon tho bestie

while i appreciate the offer it's a thunderstorm outside

[Gypyx]

look honestly if you're really town luca you might as well get it over with and vote me cause i'm never beliving your claim

[Gypyx]

You are very much not, who did you block

stop fucking asking that there's no benfit to claiming any of this shit

[Gypyx]

there's no sneaky results to get on hu tao that could indicate anything, the best thing to do is to keep it secret as a foil to any plays scum would wanna make

and if you're revealing yet again new info i'm voting you and refusing to move anywhere else

[Gypyx]

Can you fuck off, I don't care what you think after you directly insult me

i don't care either i'm reaffirming that hu tao doesn't need to claim

[Gypyx]

i appreciate the honesty

i'm probably the one who's taken the step too far anyways

i was trying to understeand if you were actually upset or if this was all in the realm of the game, i should've acted more clearly

[Gypyx]

i'll be more direct post game as i feel like me elaborating more here could bring some angleshooting angles i'm not really happy with there being

[Gypyx]

i mean, this game is basically me vs psyche on one side and JV + Luca vs Hu Tao + Outworld on the other

speaking from a mechanical sense at least

[Gypyx]

i'd also much focus on mechanics since i'm less likely to have emotional outbursts if focusing on that

[Gypyx]

much rather*

[Gypyx]

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[Gypyx]

i mean, this game is basically me vs psyche on one side and JV + Luca vs Hu Tao + Outworld on the other

speaking from a mechanical sense at least

I need to see if black is clearable for sure

I think the only way black is scum is with outworld

[Gypyx]

and me i guess since i think Outworld wouldn't claim a role with such anti-synergy with the claim of his partner (psyche)

[Gypyx]

anyways now that the rage is kinda going down i'm still a bit pissed at the delayed mason claim but at least it's consistent with jackson's play through the day

[Gypyx]

anyways now that the rage is kinda going down i'm still a bit pissed at the delayed mason claim but at least it's consistent with jackson's play through the day

I don't think, if they are masons, to delay is completely unreasonable, although they did leave it perchance a bit late, scary times.

I think this day would've been way more productive for all of us if jackson confirmed himself as town rather than what's happening now where i just don't know if he's scum or town

[Gypyx]

i mean, this game is basically me vs psyche on one side and JV + Luca vs Hu Tao + Outworld on the other

speaking from a mechanical sense at least

This is just outright wrong if you're insinuating we think the solve is hutao/outworld. We're currently under the current assumption, both of us so we're fairly confident, that it's Gypyx/Black/Outworld as the likely solve. I personally think that if you're a wolf, there has also got to be a wolf in your initial solve which is Psyche, Black and myself and well we both know (luca and I) that it's not me so I'm trying to sort between Psyche and Black. I am thinking Black is the most likely given the two choices considering how everything has gone down so that's where I'm lined up at the moment

Hu Tao makes a good point that it's unlikely to be her without Outworld, but I also don't see both being paired so I think it's just Outworld and the neapolitan was made specifically to find the three roles that would otherwise be confirmed town which would be the masonry and then the vigilante. I am not sure why they are Macho which is the one thing tripping me up but considering it's either true, or a fake-claim I think it's just gotta be a fakeclaim made for a specific purpose but I am tripping myself up over that in particular. If it's not you as a wolf, and it's truly Psyche it would need to also be Psyche/Black because you are not hammered.

With this in mind, as a rogue thought it might genuinely be optimal to eliminate Black moreso than either one of you in the off chance that I am wrong but I doubt that gets swung and that does make me feel a little uncomfortable because it's less certain to me than my read on you for instance.

Please chill out this is only what i am viewing, i'm actually trying to redo things better, not sticking this view onto you

i do agree that this is maybe a bit hasty of me to put your "ennemy duo" as Hu Tao / Outworld but please remember that if you think Hu + Psyche are town you're stuck with a setup that looks like this

Mason
Mason
Odd-N vig
Odd-N JKer
1-shot Watcher

which is a lot of town power, not counteractable without heaps of scum power... which we haven't really seen? And i don't think a rolecop would be sufficient

i need to look at the current wagons to see what they mean from my PoV

[Gypyx]

and me i guess since i think Outworld wouldn't claim a role with such anti-synergy with the claim of his partner (psyche)

You stumbled onto the solve that luca and I are currently at, we love to see it

hopefully this give me town points

[Gypyx]

i mean, this game is basically me vs psyche on one side and JV + Luca vs Hu Tao + Outworld on the other

speaking from a mechanical sense at least

This is just outright wrong if you're insinuating we think the solve is hutao/outworld. We're currently under the current assumption, both of us so we're fairly confident, that it's Gypyx/Black/Outworld as the likely solve. I personally think that if you're a wolf, there has also got to be a wolf in your initial solve which is Psyche, Black and myself and well we both know (luca and I) that it's not me so I'm trying to sort between Psyche and Black. I am thinking Black is the most likely given the two choices considering how everything has gone down so that's where I'm lined up at the moment

Hu Tao makes a good point that it's unlikely to be her without Outworld, but I also don't see both being paired so I think it's just Outworld and the neapolitan was made specifically to find the three roles that would otherwise be confirmed town which would be the masonry and then the vigilante. I am not sure why they are Macho which is the one thing tripping me up but considering it's either true, or a fake-claim I think it's just gotta be a fakeclaim made for a specific purpose but I am tripping myself up over that in particular. If it's not you as a wolf, and it's truly Psyche it would need to also be Psyche/Black because you are not hammered.

With this in mind, as a rogue thought it might genuinely be optimal to eliminate Black moreso than either one of you in the off chance that I am wrong but I doubt that gets swung and that does make me feel a little uncomfortable because it's less certain to me than my read on you for instance.

Please chill out this is only what i am viewing, i'm actually trying to redo things better, not sticking this view onto you

i do agree that this is maybe a bit hasty of me to put your "ennemy duo" as Hu Tao / Outworld but please remember that if you think Hu + Psyche are town you're stuck with a setup that looks like this

Mason
Mason
Odd-N vig
Odd-N JKer
1-shot Watcher

which is a lot of town power, not counteractable without heaps of scum power... which we haven't really seen? And i don't think a rolecop would be sufficient

i need to look at the current wagons to see what they mean from my PoV

How would we be able to see the scum power?

Actions failing to get performed, scum succefully hitting sneaky town PRs, kills going trough protection, etc...

[Gypyx]

anyways now that the rage is kinda going down i'm still a bit pissed at the delayed mason claim but at least it's consistent with jackson's play through the day

I don't think, if they are masons, to delay is completely unreasonable, although they did leave it perchance a bit late, scary times.

I think this day would've been way more productive for all of us if jackson confirmed himself as town rather than what's happening now where i just don't know if he's scum or town

at least we have a lot of reactions and stuff to analyse

yeah that's fair but i'm just exausted especially since this just looks like i dug my own grave with important peoples

[Gypyx]

hopefully this give me town points

I was meaning the reverse, the thought process we're having is genuine because you had also then come to the conclusion yourself. Not saying you believe it, but the conclusion of the thought process

good logic can still be wrong, in this case it is

[Gypyx]

That isn't a lot of power at all. Vig is a typically negative utility role, JK can block the kills in two ways and there's a possible scum neapolitan. Having a weak investigative with a masonry makes sense, I expected there to be

none

when I was doing setup speculation with Luca which is why I distrusted you having a clear on Hu Tao which luca and I theorized about. The scum would have roles to compensate and I don't think that's such a farfetched idea even with just a neapolitan and some other weakish PR role that scum may have.

scum neap makes sense tbh

disagee about vig being neg utility, it's more kills for town + an IC

[Gypyx]

yeah that's fair but i'm just exausted especially since this just looks like i dug my own grave with important peoples

Can you elaborate on this?

You / Luca

a lot of the reason for why i got so tunneled on you in the first place is cause a lot of the reasoning you were using to interact with me just wasn't fitting with my expectation of Vt!jackson, looking back it makes way more sense with mason!jackson

i need to sleep on that really

[Gypyx]

It can be positive utility in outcome, but the existence is inherently negative utility

killing scummy towns isn't neg utility

[Gypyx]

honestly idk

think it's more realistic to assume that outworld slipped in his claims by doing something a bit dubious for psyche rather than the scumteam having prepared mason softs in order to fakeclaim mason while also not claiming mason at the earliest and shooting a lot of the towncred that this would give them

[Gypyx]

I'll explain post-game if necessary, I don't have the energy to do so rn

no worries, agree to disagree

[Gypyx]

so assuming jackson is town mason black must be scum since other i would've gotten quickhammered by now (this is Gypyx pov)

[Gypyx]

so assuming jackson is town mason black must be scum since other i would've gotten quickhammered by now (this is Gypyx pov)

Mhm, I did say that in my post before that if it's Psyche, it must also then by extension be Black (from my pov)

sorry i'm kinda lagging back on reasoning there it seems

[Gypyx]

I am baffled at how the game is suddenly shifting to sanity

you know when in rpgs after they're done with raging barbarians have a moment of cooldown

this is our moment here

[Gypyx]

Before I go though, I town-read both Black and Psyche and if you're town that would mean I would have to go against a red-check, my town-reads and my strongest scum-read to flip my vote from you to psyche. So if you're town, good luck with that one

yeah i mean not looking fowards to this one for sure

think i'll try to scumcase psyche tommorow since like, if i can prove he's scum then the red check goes and it kinda all falls apart

although psyche isn't helping by being so quiet, i kinda wanna call that scummy but i'm afraid it's me falling back into bad gameplay patterns

[Gypyx]

I was never asking for no reason, and the refusal to answer a simple question looked horrid

i mean, it was less of a refusal more than me answering that i found the idea behind the question preposterous

i also was very much at the peak of my anger and i really hope you realize that while wifom is always a thing, i'm not an idiot up to the point to deliberately aggrivate town

i thought you were scum trying to manipulate me into answering a trick question, this really wasn't encouraging me to entertain weird questions for which i wasn't really seeing the point

i get that you wanna punch me in the face for all that but do we agree this is at least a signal of me being simply uninformed?

[Gypyx]

I am baffled at how the game is suddenly shifting to sanity

you know when in rpgs after they're done with raging barbarians have a moment of cooldown

this is our moment here

As I think I said at some point before, the speed at which the game was moving felt almost as if the mafia didn't want to let us stop and gather our thoughts. A Gypyx/Hu Tao/OutWorld team possibly planned to let Gypyx do all the talking and bring the day into chaos while Hu Tao and OutWorld could sit back in the shadows and not be accused of turning the day into chaos? idk

honestly while i'm all for being an agent of chaos i hope you do realize that me tripling my postcount in a single day comes from a place of earnestness

you can't fabricate that, this day has been a mindfuck and i wanna pull through, i simply would be way less motivated as a designated fall guy

[Gypyx]

No elim might be the best option here, actually no. It is the best option

VOTE: no elim

can you walk me trough that?

[Gypyx]

yeah no worries

ah well will be asleep by then

[Gypyx]

For me and ower to be scum together it would need to be masons with 1 shot watcher and an odd night vig? Not balanced imo

or take out the 1-shot vig

[Gypyx]

watcher*

[Gypyx]

I am baffled at how the game is suddenly shifting to sanity

you know when in rpgs after they're done with raging barbarians have a moment of cooldown

this is our moment here

As I think I said at some point before, the speed at which the game was moving felt almost as if the mafia didn't want to let us stop and gather our thoughts. A Gypyx/Hu Tao/OutWorld team possibly planned to let Gypyx do all the talking and bring the day into chaos while Hu Tao and OutWorld could sit back in the shadows and not be accused of turning the day into chaos? idk

honestly while i'm all for being an agent of chaos i hope you do realize that me tripling my postcount in a single day comes from a place of earnestness

you can't fabricate that, this day has been a mindfuck and i wanna pull through, i simply would be way less motivated as a designated fall guy

have you actually tripled? that's awesome.

I was at like 150 at start of day and now i'm nearing 600

don't think that as awesome as you put it lmao

[Gypyx]

watcher*

no. It can't be Hu Tao/OutWorld/Psyche by the logic in 2396

good catch

actually there aren't really any world where scum!hu makes sense then

[Gypyx]

I am baffled at how the game is suddenly shifting to sanity

you know when in rpgs after they're done with raging barbarians have a moment of cooldown

this is our moment here

As I think I said at some point before, the speed at which the game was moving felt almost as if the mafia didn't want to let us stop and gather our thoughts. A Gypyx/Hu Tao/OutWorld team possibly planned to let Gypyx do all the talking and bring the day into chaos while Hu Tao and OutWorld could sit back in the shadows and not be accused of turning the day into chaos? idk

honestly while i'm all for being an agent of chaos i hope you do realize that me tripling my postcount in a single day comes from a place of earnestness

you can't fabricate that, this day has been a mindfuck and i wanna pull through, i simply would be way less motivated as a designated fall guy

have you actually tripled? that's awesome.

I was at like 150 at start of day and now i'm nearing 600

don't think that as awesome as you put it lmao

it's funny though

[Gypyx]

yeah i mean this more as a safeguard for me to not create more paranoia reads than i need to

[Gypyx]

you need to put an "=" in the spoiler tag, manually

i'm also not trying to decipher this mess of a post so you better tl;dr your points

[Gypyx]

oh great the last paragraphs says it all

i think honestly it's reasonable for hu tao to be suspicious of Jv's behaviour, i especially think this wouldn't really bar her for claiming a JK on luca since it was JV pressing her, even if she was scum and suspecting some town power was hidden, Luca didn't really look to be acting like a PR

[Gypyx]

and, even if correctly guessing they were masons that's even less reason to be afraid of claiming a JK target, since masons can't have active roles on top of their power in simple normals

[Gypyx]

jailkeeper can also be used offensively you realize that? like, on scum, supicious people

[Gypyx]

sorry i'm being rude again, really trying to keep my cool

[Gypyx]

jailkeeper can also be used offensively you realize that? like, on scum, supicious people

I realise that. But you have higher odds of success on someone you think will die, right? trying to hit a scum when you don't even know who they are, let alone who will make the nightkill, seems like a lot more guesswork

Tbh i've never had the role but i absolutely would be more comfortable blocking scum actions rather than potentially messing with town

[Gypyx]

VOTE:

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

Spoiler: my full retort

[Gypyx]

whoops missclick

VOTE: Psyche

in case this made anything go away

[Gypyx]

oh great the last paragraphs says it all

i think honestly it's reasonable for hu tao to be suspicious of Jv's behaviour, i especially think this wouldn't really bar her for claiming a JK on luca since it was JV pressing her, even if she was scum and suspecting some town power was hidden, Luca didn't really look to be acting like a PR

Oh yeah sorry I didnt realise that wasnt fully clear.

I myself thought Luca was a power role, at least before the mass claim. The fact that Luca made sure he went last would be safest to not leak a useful power role and gather as much information as possible

Luca going last is also good practice in the event of him being the most TR'd slot

[Gypyx]

I think mafia!Hu Tao had to gamble between downplaying not revealing her block and risking running into an unclaimed PR, and she would deem the former more likely to lead to success

she could always simply claim to have done it on 1 of her scumbuddies or on a pretty inconspicuous looking VT, for instance i doubt anyone would really have doubted you were an actual VT and you were a realistic protection target

[Gypyx]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

ketchup just need you to know that you're comedy gold and i actually love you

[Gypyx]

My full Gypyx case

Spoiler:

I am deliberately not going to open this post for now, I'm going to try to get my own thoughts and if blah then blah thoughts down that I haven't done yet. Excited to read all your thoughts though, this should be really useful. But I want to ignore bias

ketchup just need you to know that you're comedy gold and i actually love you

He's gonna be blown away by my perfect analysis skills here

litterally shaking and crying over here

anyways i'm out for tonight, this one should be for realsies