But when people did start to vote Gob D2 you switched to oats, right?
Also, if you're town then it's on you to push your scumread. It clearly had support from people like Darth, who was the reason you switched your read on Gob in the first place.
In post 4706, SuperfluousNinja wrote: I'm surprised to find myself a lot more sympathetic towards Grack than Luca in this exchange.
What's the reason for the exasperation, Luca? How pissed are you that I didn't yeet Grack last night?
In post 4707, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4680, Luca Blight wrote: I've had conflicting thoughts on Vivax throughout the game, what of it? Dann had similar thoughts to my own on the matter.
I think both you and Vivax are scummy, for what it's worth, and it's still a real possibility that you could be partners from where I'm standing, but I'm not ruling out you/Naerys.
Then hammer Vivax. It's that simple.
If you think the only alternative is Grack / Naerys, then Vivax's flip would tell you that.
In post 4709, SuperfluousNinja wrote: I don't know, why don't you just tell me, why are you pissed? Like what is driving your attitude over the last couple pages?
In post 4659, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4657, Grackaroni wrote:In post 4655, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4652, Grackaroni wrote:I think this is legitimately the scum team,In post 4224, Naerys wrote::lol: i wish gob actually spewed his team like this...In post 1670, gob wrote: im the mafia and my teammates are Luca and Vivaxand Hu-Tao's already on track for success with voting off me/Vivax/Luca. Mafia will have to kill off Ninja tonight or else she will be forced to re-adjust her reads if she's left in the game. DP will work things out at the end after the flips if he's left in.
Bit disappointed I defended scum throughout the game and at the most inopportune timing. So painful reading through.
I just want to highlight how fake this is, when Grack seemingly didn't scumread me until just now (that I've said he's my biggest scumread) and his Darth scumread has vanished into thin air, to the point that he's willing to bet the game on me and Vivax being the scumteam, based on Gob's random shitposting.I'm everyone's biggest scum read, and you made the same post last night, so I really couldn't care less about your re-iteration of it today.
I don't see a scum team without you on it.
You hadn't posted anything of note in between the two posts, so that's irrelevant and the point stands.
Of course, if you are indeed scum then strategically you have no choice but to now fight back against me. I'm just pointing out the transparent nature of it.
In post 4712, SuperfluousNinja wrote: I'll tell you this: I no longer think Grack is scum.
My two big reasons for this:
1) He was asking, if notbegging, me to hammer him. Why in the world does scum do that? "Fuck my team that I've been building a relationship with over the past 3 real-time weeks, I just give up and fold under pressure"? He puts up no fight at all as scum? For real?
2) Every single player in this game was a consensus "yes" on yeeting him. I didn't see anyone put up any fight, any resistance whatsoever, to yeeting him. That should tell you, at the very least, that scum is getting what they want out of doing this. That could very well be a bus, trying to build town cred. But you have to admit that the more likely explanation is that we all made a mistake.
I mean I can see why we felt this way. He hasn't been super active, and by his own admission, he realized that this game is a bit more involved than he anticipated. You are grilling him, Luca, on how behind he is, but he did outright tell everyone that this game is pretty demanding for him and he's struggled to keep up. It is easy to scum-read literally anyone who isn't keeping up with the game as town, and it's even easier to do it as scum.
In post 4714, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4710, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4707, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4680, Luca Blight wrote: I've had conflicting thoughts on Vivax throughout the game, what of it? Dann had similar thoughts to my own on the matter.
I think both you and Vivax are scummy, for what it's worth, and it's still a real possibility that you could be partners from where I'm standing, but I'm not ruling out you/Naerys.
Then hammer Vivax. It's that simple.
If you think the only alternative is Grack / Naerys, then Vivax's flip would tell you that.
But then I'm in a position where I'm more likely to be mislimmed tomorrow, especially when you're dead. I would rather get it right today, and Grack is my biggest scumread at the moment. I still might be open to doing Vivax, but I haven't got around to iso'ing him yet.
1) Why are you convinced you'd be yeeted, if you think you're correct about Vivax? You have been pretty clear all day about Vivax being scum, so if you voted him out and yeeted him, would that not make you in particular a lot less likely to be yeeted?
2) Who cares, really, about a misyeet after 2 scum are dead, when we can still use a misyeet and be fine?
In post 4718, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4716, Luca Blight wrote: You could ask what scum begs to be hammered, but what town does?
The exhausted townie does. He hasn't the slightest clue who is on his team, who is actually on his side and who isn't, and thus has no camaraderie with anyone.
In post 4717, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4712, SuperfluousNinja wrote: I'll tell you this: I no longer think Grack is scum.
My two big reasons for this:
1) He was asking, if notbegging, me to hammer him. Why in the world does scum do that? "Fuck my team that I've been building a relationship with over the past 3 real-time weeks, I just give up and fold under pressure"? He puts up no fight at all as scum? For real?
2) Every single player in this game was a consensus "yes" on yeeting him. I didn't see anyone put up any fight, any resistance whatsoever, to yeeting him. That should tell you, at the very least, that scum is getting what they want out of doing this. That could very well be a bus, trying to build town cred. But you have to admit that the more likely explanation is that we all made a mistake.
I mean I can see why we felt this way. He hasn't been super active, and by his own admission, he realized that this game is a bit more involved than he anticipated. You are grilling him, Luca, on how behind he is, but he did outright tell everyone that this game is pretty demanding for him and he's struggled to keep up. It is easy to scum-read literally anyone who isn't keeping up with the game as town, and it's even easier to do it as scum.
Actually, now that I think about this, maybe it isn'tmorelikely that every townie screwed up that read than it is that we were all correct but that scum really wanted that bus to collide. Either way, for sure it bothers me that yeeting him was clearly what scum wanted. I don't, at this moment, understand exactly why they wanted that, but the fact that 100% of us wanted him dead means that that includes scum, and we'd be giving scum what they want by killing Grack. Thus I just have no interest in doing it.
In post 4715, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4713, Luca Blight wrote: I'm not pissed in the slightest, I'm just playing the game against someone who is trying to wriggle his way out of being limmed by flinging whatever mud he can find in my general direction. I have no qualms beyond that.
I figured that's what you were doing. Just needed to hear it from you.
That said, frankly I don't think your case is that good. It's a lot of "why did you change your mind on X?" It's not like town cannot change their mind on things.
In post 4724, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4719, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4714, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4710, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4707, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 4680, Luca Blight wrote: I've had conflicting thoughts on Vivax throughout the game, what of it? Dann had similar thoughts to my own on the matter.
I think both you and Vivax are scummy, for what it's worth, and it's still a real possibility that you could be partners from where I'm standing, but I'm not ruling out you/Naerys.
Then hammer Vivax. It's that simple.
If you think the only alternative is Grack / Naerys, then Vivax's flip would tell you that.
But then I'm in a position where I'm more likely to be mislimmed tomorrow, especially when you're dead. I would rather get it right today, and Grack is my biggest scumread at the moment. I still might be open to doing Vivax, but I haven't got around to iso'ing him yet.
1) Why are you convinced you'd be yeeted, if you think you're correct about Vivax? You have been pretty clear all day about Vivax being scum, so if you voted him out and yeeted him, would that not make you in particular a lot less likely to be yeeted?
2) Who cares, really, about a misyeet after 2 scum are dead, when we can still use a misyeet and be fine?
I'm no longer convinced about Vivax. Darth townreads him and he was right on oats while I was wrong. In truth, I find Vivax perplexing.
If not Vivax, then who? Grack and who? Naerys, I guess?
If we flip Vivax and he's town, voila, you are set. It's Grack and Naerys, gg everyone, let the celebration begin.
In post 4726, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Well, how could they, when you just caught them?
In post 4867, Vivax wrote: Mafia played well enough that I'd give them a win tbh but that's probably against the rules.
Tough setup too and they sniped every single role.
Maybe we should vote for a draw and make peace with the mafia.
In post 4871, Vivax wrote:Why do you have to bet the game on Darth being town ?In post 4869, Luca Blight wrote: From my perspective, I feel I have to bet the game on Darth being town or there is no chance of winning anyway in this gamestate.
I'm suspicious of Hu Tao for the'scum is definitely in Grack/Vivax/Luca', even more so now she is doubling-down following grack's flip, so will probably end up voting her today unless she can justify that statement.
I don't know why everyone seems to assume Naerys is town.
Naerys dumbtold and Hu faked a cop claim (and both voted gob D2 in a believable manner)
You voted DP with gob in VC # 2 while DP was voting for gob.
Where was mafia on the counterwagon to gob in your opinion ? When Oats was yeeted.
In post 4873, Hu Tao wrote:I explained yesterday. I think this is Naerys town game. And dp and gob are likely not aligned. Why do you think Naerys is scum?In post 4869, Luca Blight wrote: From my perspective, I feel I have to bet the game on Darth being town or there is no chance of winning anyway in this gamestate.
I'm suspicious of Hu Tao for the'scum is definitely in Grack/Vivax/Luca', even more so now she is doubling-down following grack's flip, so will probably end up voting her today unless she can justify that statement.
I don't know why everyone seems to assume Naerys is town.
In post 4874, Hu Tao wrote: And who do you think are the 2 scum then?
In post 4880, Hu Tao wrote:I've played with Naerys quite a bit. And when she makes sense she is town.In post 4877, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4873, Hu Tao wrote:I explained yesterday. I think this is Naerys town game. And dp and gob are likely not aligned. Why do you think Naerys is scum?In post 4869, Luca Blight wrote: From my perspective, I feel I have to bet the game on Darth being town or there is no chance of winning anyway in this gamestate.
I'm suspicious of Hu Tao for the'scum is definitely in Grack/Vivax/Luca', even more so now she is doubling-down following grack's flip, so will probably end up voting her today unless she can justify that statement.
I don't know why everyone seems to assume Naerys is town.
I see nothing to suggest Naerys isn't scum. Why are you so sure she is town? And please don't say 'dumbtell'.
From my perspective at least you or her has to be scum.
Also the way you're phrasing this, you're saying me or Naerys which means you think vivax is scum. Yet you said you'd vote me
In post 4904, Hu Tao wrote: Hmm. Would vivax really change his mind this much as scum, idk. I think I prefer Luca now
In post 4906, Vivax wrote: I'd just give DP the win here if he's mafia.
Luca/Naerys looks good as a guess to me atm.
It's only rational their pairings would include each other + one townie which they have to push but not too obviously.
In post 4911, Vivax wrote: The more I think about this game the less I believe I know.
But do I want to believe that the Oats wagon only had gob as scum in it ?
In post 3940, gob wrote: Alright everyone, unvote me temporarily. I have an announcement to make.
I am the Tracker. I tracked Naerys last night and she didn’t visit anyone.
This is why i was originally suspicious of Hu Tao’s scumclaim.
In post 4918, Hu Tao wrote:Then you think Dann just died for no reason? Also I'm the one who put him at e-1 earlier. And vivax unvoted.In post 4914, Luca Blight wrote:In post 3940, gob wrote: Alright everyone, unvote me temporarily. I have an announcement to make.
I am the Tracker. I tracked Naerys last night and she didn’t visit anyone.
This is why i was originally suspicious of Hu Tao’s scumclaim.
This is either scum saying they visited their partner, who will not counter their claim, or Gob actually did role-check Naerys n1. I admit the latter seems more likely, which increases the chance of Hu Tao being scum.
In post 4924, DarthPunk wrote:What do you mean by game state?In post 4884, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4880, Hu Tao wrote:I've played with Naerys quite a bit. And when she makes sense she is town.In post 4877, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4873, Hu Tao wrote:I explained yesterday. I think this is Naerys town game. And dp and gob are likely not aligned. Why do you think Naerys is scum?In post 4869, Luca Blight wrote: From my perspective, I feel I have to bet the game on Darth being town or there is no chance of winning anyway in this gamestate.
I'm suspicious of Hu Tao for the'scum is definitely in Grack/Vivax/Luca', even more so now she is doubling-down following grack's flip, so will probably end up voting her today unless she can justify that statement.
I don't know why everyone seems to assume Naerys is town.
I see nothing to suggest Naerys isn't scum. Why are you so sure she is town? And please don't say 'dumbtell'.
From my perspective at least you or her has to be scum.
Also the way you're phrasing this, you're saying me or Naerys which means you think vivax is scum. Yet you said you'd vote me
What has Nerys said specifically that makes you think she is town?
I'm suspicious that you're not even considering you might be wrong when we're in melo. I TR Darth but would be considering him, if not for the gamestate being as it is.
Have to do some work now.
In post 4928, DarthPunk wrote: I have reasons to town read naerys and vivax.
Although it’s possible vivax is duping me so I want to interact a bit more with him.
In post 4921, DarthPunk wrote: I’m around now for a couple of hours.
I’ve been following the thread but I want to re read a bit and catch up properly.
ATM I Think HT+Luca is the most likely.
In post 4933, Hu Tao wrote:I said I was willing to consider but you'd need to sell me why vivax/naerys makes senseIn post 4931, Luca Blight wrote: And this is where town loses in melo - where everyone becomes too sure of their reads and unwilling to consider they might be wrong, leading to an elimination that everyone is happy with, which more of than not is going to be town (that's me in this situation).
Who is really willing to consider that i might be town?If the answer is no-one, then I might as well self-vote now and save us all some time.
In post 4923, DarthPunk wrote:This is literally everyone in the game.In post 4878, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4874, Hu Tao wrote: And who do you think are the 2 scum then?
Two of you/Vivax/Naerys. Right now I would guess you and Naerys.
Of course, it could be Darth, but if so then gg because there's no turning that around at this stage.
Who are your top 2? No hedging.
In post 4949, Naerys wrote: Sorry that i actually tried to solve the game lol
In post 4952, Naerys wrote:I am on phone right now so i will just say that i didnt like your position on some wagons, Hu was pushing gob for some time so i dont think they are alignedIn post 4950, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4949, Naerys wrote: Sorry that i actually tried to solve the game lol
Why do you think that Hu Tao is town and I'm scum?
In post 4955, DarthPunk wrote: Luca is basically confirmed mafia at this point when he started the day with saying I’m lock town or whatever and then as soon as he saw that I was going to push him posting walls and flipping his read.
He has had a lot of time to develop his read on me, which was town, and then he responds again to being called scum with calling the person pushing him as scum.
I realise this is going to shit up the thread again but I can’t let him just waffle his way out. Again.
Anyway talk more tomorrow.
In post 4956, DarthPunk wrote: Luca basically has to discredit all wagon arguments because he looks so bad on all of them.
In post 4962, DarthPunk wrote: It’s just really scummy to do it when you know I said I was busy. I guess you aren’t even trying to appear reasonable anymore so whatever.
I’ll be around tomorrow.