Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[geraintm]

3 pages in, I'm.behind.

By this time in my last game we had caught scum!

Anyways, 29.

[geraintm]

I wonder what kind of heat Scum's packing this game.

I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?

VOTE: KeyLaga

Afrayed Knott

Random Nurse

,

Mafia Goon

, executed Day 3

VOTE: Random Nurse

Cook him, bestie!

VOTE: Random Nurse

VOTE: random nurse

[geraintm]

Because it will be funny as fuck to do it twice in a row!

[geraintm]

announcement

ding ding ding! as you were going about minding your own business, you see Datisi pull out a megaphone:

Random Nurse

is mod-confirmed to be aligned with the

town

!"

UNVOTE:

[geraintm]

think Gera's vote was p bad too

I have a long history with my day 1 voting style, and coupled with the last game when we did exactly this and caught scum not doing the same me not voting there would have been sus as anything

[geraintm]

VOTE: Clout

VOTE: psyche

[geraintm]

Unofficial VC

Hu Tao (4) - Naerys, Aristeia, NotAScum, Dannflor
Psyche (2) - Drew, geraintm
Klick (2) - davesaz, Political Clout
Naerys (1) - Hu Tao

Not voting - Klick, Psyche, KayJayQueue, Random Nurse

Catching up, life was busy last night.

1st, I love I have my own category
2nd VOTE: hu toa

[geraintm]

Don't you think it's more likely that scum was off the wagon for RN than on? If not how come?

the way you and gera were both gungho and excited about the wagon gave me scum who is excited to ram through an easy mislim vibes

I don't think I've played with you before.
I was gung-ho, I admit it. But that is just me day 1. I don't enjoy day 1, I think it is random at best or tilted in favour of scum in all likelihood, and I just want to get through it as quickly as possible to get to night 1 so that the game can start properly.
In an ideal world, we wouldn't kill anyone day 1 but that is never going to happen so instead I just want it ended as quickly as possible.

It just so happens that in my last game we managed to vote some one out on page 3 on day 1....and they were scum. So if we did it again today it would have been the funniest thing ever

You'll get used to me, I promise, but I should not be triggering any vibes from you, honest.

[geraintm]

Is this normal (especially post 71) on Day 1, to just do things for shiz and giggles? Basically, should this be something to not read too far into or should it be something to note and keep an eye on?

quicklimming someone very early in d1 is not normal. I don't have enough familiarity with gera or hu to say whether they do it commonly for shits and giggles as town.

Because it will be funny as fuck to do it twice in a row!

I literally said I was doing it for shits and giggles

[geraintm]

VOTE: Naerys
i am out of here, bye

ok i am not vibing w this playerlist at all

I'm offended:(

[geraintm]

Doctor Drew what do you think about voting either Naerys or Hu?

Naughty point

[geraintm]

Geraintm, are you usually this cagey?

Day 1 yep. I will strongly suggest day 1 is a crapshoot that is only ever in favour of scum, and the sooner we get out of it the better. Running up multiple people to get claims out of people is terrible.
Day 2 I am better, and by day 3 I'll be obvious my alignment

[geraintm]

Gera, if I showed you examples of Day 1s where scum are caught and eliminated based on D1 content, would you reconsider that belief

No

[geraintm]

I don't get why narrowing down scum team is a bad thing.

Picking scum is like 3 out of 12 for town.
Picking 2 scum is what, 6 out of 132?
Picking 3 scum is 6 out of 1320?

[geraintm]

I don't get why narrowing down scum team is a bad thing.

Picking scum is like 3 out of 12 for town.
Picking 2 scum is what, 6 out of 132?
Picking 3 scum is 6 out of 1320?

Of all the things that happened since you last posted, this is what you choose to reply to?

I only reply to the best

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraint

VOTE: gera

To be honest these two votes in quick succession does kind of pique my curiosity.

At least one of then has played with me before and knows getting rid of me day 1 is pointless when I become so easily solvable later in the game.

[geraintm]

the thing about gera is he can put out substantially more content than this D1 as both alignments

however, i do think he’s more prone to leaning on his “d1 sux” schtick and talking about that schtick to subsidize his content as scum. i think he’s been a little over explainy about his actions instead of just owning them

I've felt the need to be more forthcoming this game because there hasn't really been anyone who has done it for me this time. I can normally rely on someone like Enchant to do it for me, but no one has and there feels more players in this game I don't recognise (notascum, Aristeia, Political Clout and KayJayQueue) so had to fill the void.

[geraintm]

vote count 1.11

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Naerys [4]:

Hu Tao, Naerys,

Random Nurse

, davesaz

VOTE: naerys

[geraintm]

rereading naerys vs hu tao and it just feels like two townies who desperately believe they are Correct

Eg, I don't see it.

Gut's screaming at me that one of'em is a wolf.

I play primarily on gut.

I’d rather eliminate neither than both. Because I feel like no matter which one goes, the other will be pushed immediately after.

I think I pretty much understand the reasoning on NAS, not fully sure I buy that line of thinking but at least I understand the why.

Can someone help me understand the geraintm vote? I need to eventually choose a direction here.

Voted longest wagon

[geraintm]

will be so sweet when i’m proven right about all this. yall waste so much text on things that don’t matter

Oh, well then do explain to us what you think does matter right now.

Nothing matters.
I honestly just want today to end so we can get on with the proper game, when we can get some night actions in and people aren't just talking in the dark.
I expect in this game, what with it being complex, that we should be able to narrow things down even quicker than normal and we are just expending energy now on nothing that will count by the end of the game.

[geraintm]

will be so sweet when i’m proven right about all this. yall waste so much text on things that don’t matter

Oh, well then do explain to us what you think does matter right now.

Nothing matters.
I honestly just want today to end so we can get on with the proper game, when we can get some night actions in and people aren't just talking in the dark.
I expect in this game, what with it being complex, that we should be able to narrow things down even quicker than normal and we are just expending energy now on nothing that will count by the end of the game.

I can understand that. Usually I operate with that intent as Town Day 1, because it's a challenge sussing out Scum that phase. Then again if we use this time to force players to make choices and moves we can judge them on it later as the walls start to close in.

But forcing players to place votes just ends up in a cycle of claims being forced out of people, and the 1st person who claims vanilla gets it. Scum love days like that.

[geraintm]

Doctor Drew what do you think about voting either Naerys or Hu?

I wanted the day to end fast from.page 1!

Naughty point

This is the sole substantive mention of Naerys. Yet now geratim wants to end the day fast.

[geraintm]

Doctor Drew what do you think about voting either Naerys or Hu?

I wanted the day to end fast from.page 1!

Naughty point

This is the sole substantive mention of Naerys. Yet now geratim wants to end the day fast.

I always want thr day to end fast, I did from my first vote!

[geraintm]

I always want thr day to end fast, I did from my first vote!

Why would you want the day to end fast? It's one thing to want shorter day (I'd personally prefer 2-3 day per in-game day), another to end the day earlier.
This isnt townlike behavior.

I believe long day 1s, with multiple long wagons that force claims are bad for town.
I can back this up across multiple games.

[geraintm]

I believe long day 1s, with multiple long wagons that force claims are bad for town.
I can back this up across multiple games.

Sounds like a good way to corner scum team by the process of elimination.

Nope, gives scum way too much info on the roles in the game so they can tailor their claims around them

[geraintm]

another town game lost
warning: Hu is really good as scum

Was I right in hearing that the only game they've lost in living memory as scum was when we sped ran them up day 1?

[geraintm]

Today has descended into half of town posting their 100% sure fire reads on 9 different players.

Joy

[geraintm]

another town game lost
warning: Hu is really good as scum

Luckily I am town this game.

That's exactly what town you would say!

[geraintm]

I think Titus is the bait. I'm a no on Titus today

im confused by this, last vote count had zero votes on titus?

[geraintm]

i don't really understand the concept of titus being "bait from scum"

meaning scum are pushing titus as a miselim option? who is doing this?

glad someone else spotted this. just looked at the vote count top of this page and again no votes on Titus. seems only person mentioning them is Dannflor

[geraintm]

my god random nurse

there is resistance to the naerys wagon because she's town and scum don't want to look shitty for hopping on the wagon of the easy self-voting target

there is no way you can say naerys is town like that on day 1

[geraintm]

Meh, I feel like me not being here is bullshit of repetition.

I also think pc and geratim share an alignment most likely given the wagon movement. Based on play, I feel it's town. I'm getting pushback for highlighting how bullshit that vote from Ari was.

not sure why you ar elinking us. i dont think ive intereacted with them?

[geraintm]

Meh, I feel like me not being here is bullshit of repetition.

I also think pc and geratim share an alignment most likely given the wagon movement. Based on play, I feel it's town. I'm getting pushback for highlighting how bullshit that vote from Ari was.

ok Titus

tell me why it's bullshit for me to sheep Dannflor/Klick in this game state.

This is how I read this game state and why;

Naerys is the "it wagon" it's got about 4-5 votes, she's being pushed by the IC, as long as that grouping remains intact pretty much no other wagon is going to be "impactful"

If Naerys is town and there's 4 town voters + 1 scum voter on Naerys; it leaves eight votes outside of the Naerys cluster, 2 of which are mafia. I don't think you'll find more than 1 mafia voter because if Naerys is town this is one of those self-immolation plays that scum usually just sit on the sidelines for.

So in that game state, me voting by myself is literally pointless to me because no mafia is ever going to feel "pressured" by my one vote with so many town votes stuck on Naerys. The only way to generate information in such a game state is to vote with other people to try to create threats to the current status quo of the game state. If I do not work to change the narrative, the present course just gets pushed through and it's basically punting on the day.

i dislike this post, way too much speculation based on quicksand

[geraintm]

Dude, you couldve quoted multiple times in one reply rather than making 6 different posts smh. This is sus behavior, feels like youre increasing post counts for some ulterior reason.

Is this a serious read on me?
Multi quoting on phone is hell

[geraintm]

think dann is town. kind of curious why hu tao keeps him in her pool

He's good as scum. Can look towny

How is Dann as Scum?

Does he normally refuse to work with Tiwn especially ICs?

I think Dann is town because;

if Dann is scum with Naerys scum I don't think Naerys plays this way because Dann is fairly good at coaching his teammates to not do this nonsense.

if Dann is scum with Naerys town I don't think he bothers to "work" to find an alternative or take the time to work against you and craft an opposing narrative - he just takes the slam dunk Naerys lim where it stands and moves on.

This is a very simplistic read of Dann ig, he's certainly capable of being mafia I just don't think he plays this way

Naughty point. Feel like trying to read too much into 2 people's interactions when you just can't know.q

[geraintm]

waittt
let’s build a consensus
all the best towns eliminate the consensus pick across their obvtowns

We are 60 pages in. This is as good as it gets with all this talking talking talking.

Nothing has been learnt in this game since we accidentally outed our IC.

[geraintm]

Nothing has been learnt in this game since we accidentally outed our IC.

you mean since you tried to speedlim the IC on page 3

Tried to speedlight someone, had no idea of their roll

[geraintm]

I do enjoy playing with you gera

your ability to somehow move responsibility for mistakes to other people and refuse to read or try to read into player's motivations and claim that day one is meaningless really is refreshing to play with

Aww, thanks

[geraintm]

Naughty point. Feel like trying to read too much into 2 people's interactions when you just can't know.q

yes I can't know

the entire basis of the game is to make guesses, inferences and use your best judgement based on a set of imperfect information.

that's literally the point of the game.

thank you for letting me know that I don't know it's really educational and I do need more pointers from such a seasoned vet such as yourself.

But my argument will always be its Day 1, why on earth anyone tries so hard is beyond me, because everything is built on a base of sand. From Day 2 onwards go nuts, but 60 pages of this is draining.

[geraintm]

Naughty point. Feel like trying to read too much into 2 people's interactions when you just can't know.q

yes I can't know

the entire basis of the game is to make guesses, inferences and use your best judgement based on a set of imperfect information.

that's literally the point of the game.

thank you for letting me know that I don't know it's really educational and I do need more pointers from such a seasoned vet such as yourself.

But my argument will always be its Day 1, why on earth anyone tries so hard is beyond me, because everything is built on a base of sand. From Day 2 onwards go nuts, but 60 pages of this is draining.

I HAVE caught Scum Day 1 though.

It's not impossible. You have to engage enough to catch people in their inconsistencies.

No, not impossible. Broken clock and all.

[geraintm]

vote count 1.16

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Naerys [5]:

Random Nurse

, davesaz, geraintm, Hu Tao, Titus

Political Clout [1]:

Klick

Hu Tao [1]:

NotAScum

NotAScum [1]:

Dannflor

not voting [5]:

Naerys, Aristeia, KayJayQueue, Political Clout, Psyche

mod notes

fun fact: all flavour images this game have been provided by our wonderful backup mod GeorgeBailey!

flavour

That is an awful lot of non-voters.

[geraintm]

Checking in quickly.
Not sure of the night kill, but I ain't going to waste time speculating on the reasoning.

[geraintm]

Checking in quickly.
Not sure of the night kill, but I ain't going to waste time speculating on the reasoning.

You don’t think it’s something worth thinking about?

I think you can speculate, bit we've all been scum and chosen reasons for a night kill that when we see town trying to work things out they are hopelessly wrong.
Later on for sure, but night 1 not so much

[geraintm]

Sorry got lack of engagement, weekend stuff.
But like 20 pages later and still so much resistance to not a scum seems the main thing to take away.

And the speculating thing, night kills are really hard and you can try. I've not seen anyone come up with any good reasoning though, and if better players than me can't then I sure as he'll won't be able to

[geraintm]

i swear if notascum flips town ill do something embarassing of the rest of the town's choice :*(

Want to flip notascum to see what we can make then do

[geraintm]

VOTE: NotAScum


In other news, tempted to start a petition drive to make self voting a bannable offense as being against wincon.

6 posts after they got voted. Wanting to make sure the other wagon doesn't lose steam much?

[geraintm]

Who townreads NotAScum and why?

I have no reason to strongly town read them

[geraintm]

think i've changed to at least null on dave
if i were to follow the path of least resistance i would say that the scum are

NotAScum
Aristeia
geraintm

but honestly reality usually has a rule of cool element to it that makes me prefer to doubt this list
who am i most likely to be wrong about? does it even matter if getting even my top scumread limmed feels impossible? one thing titus's style has going for it is that it excludes the need for such considerations

Sorry, why am I scum?

[geraintm]

VOTE: NAS

This feels like another vote for not a scum after a player is starting to feel pressure on themselves
Weird it happens twice on a page

[geraintm]

We made one miselim and a VT got killed. Really not a terrible situation

This. Seems pretty good no roles went

[geraintm]

Random Nurse,

davesaz

, geraintm,

Hu Tao, Titus, Aristeia

, NotAScum

NotAScum [4]: Psyche,

Hu Tao, davesaz, Aristeia,

and titus

4 of the people on naerys are on not a scum wagon. like come on we should be killing off the wagon.

But not you, right?

[geraintm]

what's your reads list now?

Town: Random Nurse
Leaning town: Dannflor, davesaz, Hu Tao
Unsure: Political Clout, Psyche, Aristeia
Possibly scum: Titus, geraintm
Flailing: NotAScum

My leaning town and unsure lists could honestly be combined right now. Those 6 I’m trying to figure out but I need more info and more perspectives. The weird late night (for me) Ari/psyche/Hu convo was just extremely confusing and disjointed, and I’m not sure what it accomplished besides making my brain numb but it definitely didn’t make me feel like I had a great read on any of them. But I am still going to lean town on Hu right now, I don’t have any jarring reason not to.

Why am I scum??? I've done nothing scummy all game?? Tell me what I've done?
I think you have barely mentioned me this game?

[geraintm]

I'm also surprised we don't have a vigilante. Or maybe there is a vigilante tonight. If so I would shoot gera tbh.

I should never be allowed into the end game. One, I'm bad and lose the game and two people find it so hard to read me I become a distraction. I'm obviously not wanting to get shot but I understand the reasoning for it. I need to be solved for town's sake at someone point in most games

[geraintm]

i kinda just want to kill in [geraintm, Titus, Political Clout]


or i think there'd be some like townie "I told you so energy" coming after D1.

I'll admit this is my weakest scum read and it's mostly PoE

Well, I was on the wagon so I kinda didn't want to bring it up

[geraintm]

Klick was softing Mason with Psyche. I think that's why he was killed. Which is why I think Psyche is town.

I never see things like this.

[geraintm]

let's say I have this belief. That we should kill on the wagon. let's also say that people on the first hammered wagon are a lot of the same people on the second wagon today. and let's say that everyone is doing whatever they want. will a statistical proof or essay change anyones mind that we should for sure kill on the wagon since it is most probably that scum are on that wagon since it aligns with their win con and that we should reexamine our reads of the people on the wagons.

- love, light, and peace
PC

I haven't had time this weekend to do this sort of thing, but it would be where I would look. Also on the wagon that ran up and forced the IC claim on day 1

[geraintm]

gera looks like an easy scumread but it feels like bait. 354 is reasonably consistent w/ the rest of his iso

I will always get run up at some point, and then people who have played with me before just know I am usually solvable later in the game and I pass.

[geraintm]

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already tobe honest

[geraintm]

honestly maybe add dave to my pool

[davesaz/titus/geraintm/PC]

I'm reasonably confident everyone else is town at this point

I think Klick was the most likely player to stand in the way of Hu Tao getting run over today and that might've been why he was killed idk

he was also just very towny

VOTE: dann

Dave really doesn't like being put under any pressure, does he?

[geraintm]

VOTE: Titus

????

[geraintm]

but it seems to me like an artificial narrowing
could just as easily propose we pick 5 slots at random and vote between those and say it "narrows it down considerably"
unless you're that confident that all the scum voted the given away

All scum would likely not vote a certain way unless a PR was threatened. Scum may prefer something but are unlikely to overload.

Scum will vote any which way they want and get cred for bussing

[geraintm]

I'll just say this. I am a gated roleblocker. I roleblocked Dann and scum are scared. If Klick is a vig kill, Dann did the scumkill. I've eluded to it but scum Dann is pissed.

What does gated mean??
This seemed out of the blue. But I kinda trust it

[geraintm]

PC's over reliance on pushing people who are on "both wagons" seems like TMI, since a) we don't know if the 2nd wagon is on town, and b) the 2nd wagon is on the person who hammered the 1st wagon.

In case you haven't been following, PC's second wagon is an older point in time on the NAS wagon. Furthermore, there isn't any adaptation of that analysis based on wagon movement either yesterday or today, it's taking two static points in time.

Fair point

[geraintm]

I'm caught up to now.

I think i trust the Titus claim.
I think I notice Dann a lot in my read through.

If Aristeia was acting that freak out then got me fooled.

[geraintm]

Why am I scum??? I've done nothing scummy all game?? Tell me what I've done?
I think you have barely mentioned me this game?

I think this sums it up:

Checking in quickly.
Not sure of the night kill, but I ain't going to waste time speculating on the reasoning.

So you think day 1 is a waste of time, you don’t want to speculate on what happened at night…what exactly

is

worth your time then?

It’s not a lot to go on but you haven’t given much…

No, I haven't. But absence of content does not equal scum.

[geraintm]

Random Nurse,

davesaz

, geraintm,

Hu Tao, Titus, Aristeia

, NotAScum

NotAScum [4]: Psyche,

Hu Tao, davesaz, Aristeia,

and titus

4 of the people on naerys are on not a scum wagon. like come on we should be killing off the wagon.

But not you, right?

What point are you trying to make here

sorry, was meant to be humorous. i was trying to point out you were one of the people off wagon who should be killed

[geraintm]

Gated means with limitations. So backup, novice, x-shot, odd/even are all gated roles. Basically, if you can't unconditionally act every night (barring a roleblocker) then you're gated.

thanks

[geraintm]

Dude, you couldve quoted multiple times in one reply rather than making 6 different posts smh. This is sus behavior, feels like youre increasing post counts for some ulterior reason.

hmm ill have to admit that i don't know how to read people who make posts like these

I kinda like it from the point of view that I agree that excessive posts make the game hard to read. And making the game hard to read is kinda scum's job and the antithesis of town.

im sorry, it is just the way i go through the game. i go back tomy last post and just read through and reply as i come to something interesting. how it ends up sometimes i think i have hammered someone and don't realise there is a later unvote.

it honestly isnt meant to confuse.

[geraintm]

vote count 1.06

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Hu Tao [5]:

Naerys, Aristeia, NotAScum, Dannflor, geraintm

Klick [2]:

davesaz, Political Clout

Naerys [2]:

Hu Tao, KayJayQueue

Psyche [1]:

Doctor Drew

not voting [3]:

Random Nurse

, Klick, Psyche

vote count 1.final

with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

yeet

Naerys [7]:

Random Nurse

, davesaz, geraintm, Hu Tao, Titus, Aristeia, NotAScum

[HAMMER]

NotAScum [2]:

Dannflor, Klick

not voting [4]:

Naerys, KayJayQueue, Political Clout, Psyche

vote count 2.07

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2024-03-09 17:15:00).

yeet

NotAScum [4]:

Hu Tao, Aristeia, Titus, Dannflor

Political Clout [1]:

davesaz

Aristeia [1]:

Random Nurse

Hu Tao [1]:

NotAScum

Dannflor [1]:

Political Clout

not voting [3]:

geraintm, KayJayQueue, Psyche

AS i said i would, looking at the wagons from yesterday and today to see what info can be gleaned.

These are the 3 biggest wagons.

Titus (Doctor Drew) - On Naerys and NAS
Hu Tao - On Naerys and NAS
NotAScum - On both yesterday
Aristeia - On all 3!
geraintm - On both yesterday
Political Clout - Off all 3!
KayJayQueue - Off all 3!
Dannflor - On Hu Toa and NAS
davesaz - On Naerys
Psyche - Off all 3!

My god that is weird.

Political Clout, KJQ and Psyche not on any of them
Aristeia was on all of them. They also had a very weird public meltdown.

I think i am trusting Titus' claim at the moment (a roleblocker with limitations).
{Are there any other claims?}

With the struggles we have had pushing through eliminations, maybe because scum are sitting off so much and not being on any? I can see it being a 2 scum off the elimination yesterday.

I think when i next have some time i'll look at the 3 who haven't touched any of the wagons and see why.

[geraintm]

i don't think we've really had that much trouble pushing eliminations. in my mind this has just been a narrative pushed by people who want their preferred lims to happen

We are on page 81.
We have voted out one person so far.

[geraintm]

For me, whether a lim has to be forced by deadline is the rule of thumb for whether it was difficult to achieve. Post counts not really a factor. Naeyrs's lim happened well before it thanks to a couple players prioritizing ending D1 over making sure town was making a good choice.

We were never making a good choice yesterday

[geraintm]

For me, whether a lim has to be forced by deadline is the rule of thumb for whether it was difficult to achieve. Post counts not really a factor. Naeyrs's lim happened well before it thanks to a couple players prioritizing ending D1 over making sure town was making a good choice.

We were never making a good choice yesterday

just how strong is your NAS townread?

When did I say I had a strong townread on not a scum?

[geraintm]

We were never making a good choice yesterday

That’s a weird thing to seem certain about, or am I just reading into it too much. Hmm.

A good choice has strong logic behind it. Day 1 there is never strong logic behind an elimination, it is 10 guts and 3 scum pushing who they want.

[geraintm]

i think you implied it in 2013

Oh no, not at all. See my previous post.

[geraintm]

gosh i can't help but roll my eyes i should back off until i have something nice to say

Is this aimed at me?
Was I rude to you?

If I was I have no idea when?

[geraintm]

I am. It is day 2 and I am developing my read of the game.
I'm slower than many people, but I am striving to find scum. I have just reached the stage where I am trying to narrow it down, and I am happier ruling people out as scum than ruling anyone in yet

[geraintm]

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previous geraintm scum games

kinda seems like gera gets more engaged as scum from a cursory look

Yes, as scum I can't help but get panicky. My scum threads are usually wild swings in moods. Why I say I am messily solvable as scum, I can't help but out myself

[geraintm]

If there is a vigilante which there probably is. I feel all my games have vigilante these days I'd shoot gera or NAS. Both have eluded to or claimed VT. They are safe shots

i dont remember doing this?

(very quickly popping in before bed and checking my name)

[geraintm]

i dont remember doing this?

(very quickly popping in before bed and checking my name)

NaS is about to get hammered, any thoughts?

i never worked out why people were so high on them, to me they just had a really odd style of posting that i just didnt get but it didnt scream scummy to me. but no one else is going to be eliminated today, mise well let it happen but i dont see it so i am not going to hammer

[geraintm]

i never worked out why people were so high on them, to me they just had a really odd style of posting that i just didnt get but it didnt scream scummy to me. but no one else is going to be eliminated today, mise well let it happen but i dont see it so i am not going to hammer

is there someone you would eliminate if you had unilateral control?

no. there are a few i wouldn't touch (i said those people before) and a few i think whose vote history is interesting, but not had time today (Monday) to go through people's posts.

[geraintm]

Dannflor, to answer your question, Obviously random nurse is green, i Couldnt easily either of titus or aristeia dead either. the rest of you....well 3 of you are red

[geraintm]

gera claiming vig would be the best thing

I'm vig

[geraintm]

No...but that would have been funny.

I'm a doctor.

[geraintm]

Sorry, was playing magic last night and then sleeping.

[geraintm]

no gating or anything?

Are people wanting that info?

[geraintm]

Sorry, was playing magic last night and then sleeping.

*slides over chair*

You play Magic? I'm thinking about getting into it, maybe a mix of Blue and Green. It's been forever since I last played Magic. I hate that the sets rotate out and you can never use those cards again.

I only Draft, but I am 95% sure Commander is the format for you. Go Google up Commander pre cons (there are a bunch of Fallout themed ones being released this week for example) which are basically 100 card starter decks which are aimed to be played with 3 friends in huge games, but you get to tinker with the deck over time swapping in cards to personalise things for you. Your worries over rotation don't really exist in Commander.

[geraintm]

no gating or anything?

Are people wanting that info?

oh my god yes

I'm 1 shot.
I haven't used it yet

[geraintm]

no gating or anything?

Are people wanting that info?

oh my god yes

I'm 1 shot.
I haven't used it yet

Oh?

Unless the Vig claims you could use it on the IC tonight.

Doesn't announcing my target kinda defeat the point of it?
I was not going to use it night 1, and last night I didn't really have much thought to use it, I didn't think I would likely dave anyone useful.

[geraintm]

im boredd. too bored to stick to protocol
geraint's claim has to be fake, right?

i am so pissed that people have decided my claim is fake and are going to eliminate me for it.
your thinking is i as scum have picked out a 1 shot doc as my claim, instead of just sitting there and going for VT?
it is such a weird role, why would i make that up???

[geraintm]

gist is that i like to throw in a little limit-testing into my mafia play, and this time i crossed the limit

gera seemed already inevitable (and boring). i wanted to find the third scum in case the rest of yall couldn't. my guess was wrong, which is good to know for me at least (i'd be more insufferable today otherwise). could go into why i made my guess, but does it matter anymore?

yes, your logic of "there is one player who is clearly scum but i am not going to shoot them" has been very helpful

[geraintm]

gist is that i like to throw in a little limit-testing into my mafia play, and this time i crossed the limit

gera seemed already inevitable (and boring). i wanted to find the third scum in case the rest of yall couldn't. my guess was wrong, which is good to know for me at least (i'd be more insufferable today otherwise). could go into why i made my guess, but does it matter anymore?

and yes,i knew coming into today that i was going to be the person put under pressure first. i was hoping beyond hope someone would have checked me and cleared me by now but didnt happen.

so people instead think that even with a whole night to confer with my partner the best i could have come up with as a claim is 1 shot doc??

[geraintm]

i'm fine with gera dying today...

im not

[geraintm]

yeah gera sounds great. but who after gera?

probably Kay

i dont think anyone with experience would fake claim doctor

you seem to think time on site = experience

[geraintm]

uhh i'll stew on it

maybe setup spec. can we accept a world where it's just gera with the fake pr claim?

im going to be so mad when i flip

[geraintm]

gist is that i like to throw in a little limit-testing into my mafia play, and this time i crossed the limit

gera seemed already inevitable (and boring). i wanted to find the third scum in case the rest of yall couldn't. my guess was wrong, which is good to know for me at least (i'd be more insufferable today otherwise). could go into why i made my guess, but does it matter anymore?

yes, your logic of "there is one player who is clearly scum but i am not going to shoot them" has been very helpful

I don't really understand the sarcasm here - are you upset he didn't shoot you at night?

If their plan was just to kill me today, then me having to spend the day pointing out that is a bad idea is just a whole bunch of mental energy I don't need.

[geraintm]

Gera can you explain why you didn't want to target the IC with your doc shot?

I didn't think it was worth it. Scum would kill them eventually and buying them a day wouldn't make much difference.
Would rather have saved it for when there was a useful power role who if they survived an extra night their info would win thr game for town.

Being 1 shot felt like the mod was setting me up to use it very strategically rather than too quickly.

[geraintm]

ive fakeclaimed stuff really similar to 1-shot doctor
gera, you're not getting out of this with your claim
try to provide us good analysis of our alternatives
what is the two person team that excludes you?

go check my history, i just dont fake claim. im not a good enough player to both claim a role that is beleiveable and be able to pull it off in the game.
it is hard to argue a negative though.
you are going to need to listen to psyche and their plan for when this goes wrong

[geraintm]

like i see yesterday as two possible stories -


mafia were caught off and didnt know what to do to generate a mislim - then the solve is some grouping of gera/titus/kay.

mafia decided to bus nas - then its hu tao + titus.

Weekend, mother's day. Time is low.
I didn't bus nas.

[geraintm]

I don't see kjq coming up with the informed role...

Is it even real role? I've never come across something like it before

[geraintm]

like if Geraintm is town and we're sleepwalking to a loss Hu + Titus is a very high equity scumteam

Just hard for me to argue I'm town when it seems to come solely from my claim nd everyone has extrapolated from there.

[geraintm]

Just glad I don't have to figure this all out tomorrow.

[geraintm]

Thankfully game over.
Felt we had that lost for ages.

Sorry to Kay that they hated the game and me particularly.
The scum thread isn't a good place. It was basically the three worst players they could have picked to be scum all in there.

You say that the scum thread was just you talking to yourself, and yes i wasn't hugely active there.

but, i did suggest a night action for earlier in the game which you vetoed.

I did suggest you claim VT, but you decided to claim the informed role (you didn't say before your claim what it was going to be). Once i saw your claim which effectively gave town another clear i believed that we were way too boxed in, town would have too many people they didn't need to clear and could go through the small pool left easily but was too late to change that then.

Yes, people have said i should have known better than to claim my role, but i generally think Mods set up games where roles are there for a reason, as balances for other roles, so i went with a true claim. Next time i am in a game hopefully there will be someone in the scum thread who will make it clear from earlier on that i shouldn't have done what i did.

[geraintm]

Well the problem with you claiming is that you didn’t discuss it beforehand. You just made decisions and then went to the mafia thread afterwards. And yes, I did veto your idea that would’ve put us even further at a numbers disadvantage and then instead of discussing anything further, you disappeared.

We are not going to agree with how things went wrong I think. I would like to point out you didn't say what your claim was going to be before you claimed.
I hope next time you are scum you play with someone more suited to your style.

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btw Gera i feel like claiming 1-shot doc in a setup with a vigilante and no confirmation of any investigatives yet is basically like claiming godfather with extra steps

pedit : btw dats if you wanna make a N2 informed you have to know that the info given can't change during the game, aka : you gotta choose who gets revealed as town during pregame, tough luck if they die inbetween

Then it would have been helpful to have this level of expertise in the scum thread.

My question in the game of "is that even a role" was genuine and most players in the game and watching are at a much higher level than myself.