Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Klick]

Even ignoring the self-vote situation earlier Hu Tao feels much townier to me on the most recent pages
I think her head's in the game proper now and it's showing

[Klick]

generally i find people who play mafia are more interested in their own individual reads to dead sheep someone like that unless they have a significant reputation for having accurate reads

Hmm. I may be at a disadvantage here because I can’t really take anyone’s reputation into account when I’m completely unacquainted with literally every single person here. I couldn’t differentiate these players from a hole in the ground, especially Day 1. So it’s highly possible I’m being naive in trusting a play where the sole purpose (possibly) is to manipulate, but without previous knowledge…it’s either trust my initial gut response or second guess everything. The latter sounds exhausting but most likely the correct approach for now.

This game is a trip, but I’m glad I joined in!

I'm glad it's at least a little bit of fun so far! For what it's worth, you've been pretty engaging for someone completely new.

This is just my perspective, but I find that the best approach is a mix between your gut feelings and a slowly-increasing level of trust as the game goes on. As you feel more confident in some players being town, you can start to give their opinions a little more weight. It's a voting game, so some cooperation between us all is essential. If you're not confident, there's no shame in following someone who is. That's how you sort of start to form a map of what you roughly think people's alignments are.

[Klick]

And not voting is fine for now, what matters more is your thoughts and opinions. Someone might come in and try to tell you otherwise, but they're wrong.

[geraintm]

Unofficial VC

Hu Tao (4) - Naerys, Aristeia, NotAScum, Dannflor
Psyche (2) - Drew, geraintm
Klick (2) - davesaz, Political Clout
Naerys (1) - Hu Tao

Not voting - Klick, Psyche, KayJayQueue, Random Nurse

Catching up, life was busy last night.

1st, I love I have my own category
2nd VOTE: hu toa

[geraintm]

Don't you think it's more likely that scum was off the wagon for RN than on? If not how come?

the way you and gera were both gungho and excited about the wagon gave me scum who is excited to ram through an easy mislim vibes

I don't think I've played with you before.
I was gung-ho, I admit it. But that is just me day 1. I don't enjoy day 1, I think it is random at best or tilted in favour of scum in all likelihood, and I just want to get through it as quickly as possible to get to night 1 so that the game can start properly.
In an ideal world, we wouldn't kill anyone day 1 but that is never going to happen so instead I just want it ended as quickly as possible.

It just so happens that in my last game we managed to vote some one out on page 3 on day 1....and they were scum. So if we did it again today it would have been the funniest thing ever

You'll get used to me, I promise, but I should not be triggering any vibes from you, honest.

[Random Nurse]

If Hu goes to L-1 I'll hammer.

[Random Nurse]

Although I'm having second-thoughts...

[geraintm]

Is this normal (especially post 71) on Day 1, to just do things for shiz and giggles? Basically, should this be something to not read too far into or should it be something to note and keep an eye on?

quicklimming someone very early in d1 is not normal. I don't have enough familiarity with gera or hu to say whether they do it commonly for shits and giggles as town.

Because it will be funny as fuck to do it twice in a row!

I literally said I was doing it for shits and giggles

[KayJayQueue]

From what I’ve picked up and observed, I just don’t think Hu Tao is a good vote right now. I don’t have an alternative yet but I just don’t think Hu Tao is worth killing today after everything that’s been said.

I'd like you to explain what specifically made you think this when you return to thread

Okay, after rereading everything my feelings have changed on a couple things. I actually feel very confident about Hu Tao being town. On the other hand, Naerys gave me a few red flags, both offensively and defensively on their end. In the Hu vs Naerys posts, I felt myself getting better vibes from Hu. Naerys felt overly pushy on Hu for what felt like little to no reason and used Hu’s reaction to push harder, which from my perspective didn’t hold too much water. Also, some of Naerys’ posts felt a tad dramatic whereas even when Hu self-voted, it felt like it was to push town in the right direction. (in Hu’s mind the correct thing was to eliminate Naerys even if it took a town sacrifice to get there-not saying that’s the best course of action but at least I felt like I understood what they were doing)

I can’t say I fully read Naerys as bad yet though I’m definitely leaning that way at the moment, but I can confidently say my current gut read on Hu Tao is town.

[KayJayQueue]

I’m going back and forth whether I should put a vote on Naerys or not. I feel like my vote is more informed than most of the votes in the first few pages that were gut votes and/or just completely random. It’s not a crazy strong read but it’s the strongest one I currently have, I’m just wondering if it’s a read I’m willing to commit to. Then again, my read that Hu is town is much stronger so maybe if I vote it’s to show that I really don’t agree with where the majority of votes currently are.

Ahhh here goes nothing I suppose…

VOTE: VOTE: Naerys

[Datisi]

vote count 1.06

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Hu Tao [5]:

Naerys, Aristeia, NotAScum, Dannflor, geraintm

Klick [2]:

davesaz, Political Clout

Naerys [2]:

Hu Tao, KayJayQueue

Psyche [1]:

Doctor Drew

not voting [3]:

Random Nurse

, Klick, Psyche

mod notes

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flavour

[KayJayQueue]

I’m really worried the vote is getting too close on Hu. Can we please discuss this more? Unless everyone voting Hu is willing to follow through on Naerys the next day, I really think someone should unvote Hu Tao before people jump on/switch to kill Hu and end today early. Maybe I’m just overly-cautious but I don’t think this is the right move unless everyone is taking the 1 for 1 seriously. (and I highly doubt that’s the case, and I don’t really think we should be doing that until we’re sure we wouldn’t just be killing two of our town)

I’m not pushing to vote Naerys instead (even though that’s where my vote is), I’m just asking that we don’t rush this kill. It’s making me apprehensive and I don’t feel like I/we have enough info.

[Klick]

Someone in the {Dann, Ari, Naerys} set is scum hoping that this wagon goes over prematurely before the momentum dies out

[Klick]

Actually that's not very fair, geraintm's vote was 2.5 hours ago and the Americans are asleep and not periodically staring at this thread

[KayJayQueue]

Someone in the {Dann, Ari, Naerys} set is scum hoping that this wagon goes over prematurely before the momentum dies out

Do you think I’m being too anxious about this vote going through early? Maybe it’s just because it goes directly against my read on Hu Tao but I feel this would be a bad kill especially without getting more opinions. I’m open to having my mind changed but right now, I see absolutely no reason for Hu Tao to be killed with where we currently stand as a whole. (I’m mainly weary of this happening while simultaneously being aware of the lack of input, information, and reasoning from everyone beyond a vocal handful)

[KayJayQueue]

Actually that's not very fair, geraintm's vote was 2.5 hours ago and the Americans are asleep and not periodically staring at this thread

I’m from the U.S., I just wake up at an ungodly hour Thurs-Mon because of the nature of my job. Since I travel every week for work, I’m never in the same timezone. (though I’ll always be in a U.S. timezone) So I hope no one pays attention to posting times/patterns because I might seem crazy hah

[Random Nurse]

Kay, how many games have you had on this site?

[Klick]

Someone in the {Dann, Ari, Naerys} set is scum hoping that this wagon goes over prematurely before the momentum dies out

Do you think I’m being too anxious about this vote going through early? Maybe it’s just because it goes directly against my read on Hu Tao but I feel this would be a bad kill especially without getting more opinions. I’m open to having my mind changed but right now, I see absolutely no reason for Hu Tao to be killed with where we currently stand as a whole. (I’m mainly weary of this happening while simultaneously being aware of the lack of input, information, and reasoning from everyone beyond a vocal handful)

No I'm on the same page as you, I think a hammer on Hu Tao is both realistic and a bad idea

[KayJayQueue]

Kay, how many games have you had on this site?

This is my first one. So please give me blunt feedback if I’m doing something abnormal because I really do want to be successful in this game and my subsequent games and I am fully aware that I don’t know what I’m doing and I welcome constructive criticism. I’m probably a bit overeager but that’s just kinda my personality.

[Random Nurse]

...

Alright.

[KayJayQueue]

...

Alright.

I’m confused…is this a bad thing?

[Hu Tao]

I’m really worried the vote is getting too close on Hu. Can we please discuss this more? Unless everyone voting Hu is willing to follow through on Naerys the next day, I really think someone should unvote Hu Tao before people jump on/switch to kill Hu and end today early. Maybe I’m just overly-cautious but I don’t think this is the right move unless everyone is taking the 1 for 1 seriously. (and I highly doubt that’s the case, and I don’t really think we should be doing that until we’re sure we wouldn’t just be killing two of our town)

I’m not pushing to vote Naerys instead (even though that’s where my vote is), I’m just asking that we don’t rush this kill. It’s making me apprehensive and I don’t feel like I/we have enough info.

Well we are going t9 have to convince others to vote Naerys cause as RN said he will hammer me. He scumreads me every game so this is not a surprise

[Hu Tao]

Someone in the {Dann, Ari, Naerys} set is scum hoping that this wagon goes over prematurely before the momentum dies out

I'm kinda confused why Dann is still voting me based on our convo earlier, but I'll wait for him to come back and explain

[Hu Tao]

Klick can you see Naerys scum here?

[Naerys]

This is what i get for actually trying in a game? Fine whatever, i stop trying