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Behold, I doth void my bladder and expel feces hither and thither without constraint.-
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I was planning on using slurs and derogatory language, but I will respect the rule henceforth.In post 2, Alianna wrote: 2. Toxic and harmful behaviour will not be tolerated. This includes, but is not limited to:
- flaming, insulting, or directing personal attacks at other players
- use of slurs or derogatory language
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- excessive discussion of real life issues (a mention is fine, but please don't derail the game or use this thread as a place to vent)
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This must be devastating on the part of Umlaut
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Luka is a downright savage, if you ask meIn post 94, Luka wrote: cjv isn't a cute name-
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I think Luka forgetting that FancyPants should be green might be a direct consequence of knowing everyone who is also green! VOTE: Luka-
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what's your experience with people on mafiascum?In post 130, Overcat wrote: It feels like people on mafiascum look for logical inconsistencies-
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Lame.
Your naked votes are useless. If you're gonna hide behind my wagon, at least pretend to have some thought with it. Lather it with words and make yourselves readable.-
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I prefer to have clothes, and I spit on your pervy expectations on monkeys.
And no, if you're town, you should want to be working with me so I can identify that you're not scum taking advantage of the opportunity to lamely naked vote. Who do you think you are?-
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Hi, my name is Eiralox and I think I'm so cool because I use words like 'onus'. That's right! Also, I like naked voting because I'm lame and one time in sixth grade I pooped myself in the school bus.-
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Ah I see. So your vote is pointless and you're not really looking for anything? Gotcha.-
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So you don't scumread me, and you just hate my attitude?
I don't think I even fully understand this interaction. I'm asking you to explain why you voted me and you're playing stonewall citing that 1.) it's my responsibility to make you change your vote, 2.) my attitude and my lack of... game-orientedness. Meanwhile, you voted me and had an extended interaction with me. Where throughout, you haven't asked me a single question or tried to sort me in any reasonable way. What am I missing?-
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So why open this interaction with such a ridiculous sentence:
It implies that it's my responsibility. Additionally, it implies that you're looking for a standard of towniness from me. What confuses me is that you're admitting now that you're not even looking for anything from me? Even independent of how you feel about my attitude, shouldn't you be extracting more information from me? From our interaction, there's a distinct lack of initiative and clear disinterest in doing that.In post 192, Eiralox wrote: I think you're the one being voted isn't the onus on you to daringly dazzle us with a display of downright towniness?
More important question: Why are you choosing to vote at such a slim pool? Only FancyPants is confirmed, so I don't understand your position and why you're even included in that pool.
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would you engage with all my other questions too? thanksIn post 208, Eiralox wrote: If you don't want to die sort of yeah it's how all this works-
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give me a fancy wordIn post 215, Umlaut wrote: I don’t think ‘onus’ is really that fancy a word-
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would you tell me why you voted?In post 216, Hu Tao wrote: Only actual read I have is cat town here-
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Wow, Umlaut. I didn't even know that word existed. You are a true fancy word connoisseur.
In other words, I wanna wagon Eiralox and force them to answer my questions. VOTE: Eiralox
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Hi Eiralox. Here I am, game-oriented and with great attitude. Pleasedoengage me because I have a bad habit of tunnelling and I don't want to accidentally lead everyone else toward your elimination with my overflowing charisma. I had some questions for you that you must have skipped over. I'd like to hear from you.
I understand that you think I should be alarmed and take responsibility if I want to survive this day. You have answered that part. I am more curious about your response to the other parts, especially the questions that I labelled as more important.In post 203, humaneatingmonkey wrote: So why open this interaction with such a ridiculous sentence:
It implies that it's my responsibility. Additionally, it implies that you're looking for a standard of towniness from me. What confuses me is that you're admitting now that you're not even looking for anything from me? Even independent of how you feel about my attitude, shouldn't you be extracting more information from me? From our interaction, there's a distinct lack of initiative and clear disinterest in doing that.In post 192, Eiralox wrote: I think you're the one being voted isn't the onus on you to daringly dazzle us with a display of downright towniness?
More important question: Why are you choosing to vote at such a slim pool? Only FancyPants is confirmed, so I don't understand your position and why you're even included in that pool.
Help me understand.
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To Luka or anyone else who might use this argument: I am less convinced about "too wolfy to be wolf" arguments because sometimes wolves can just be wolves and sometimes the instinct to call them wolfy is right. I feel like I need to be able to weigh it against all other instances where I can label their behavior as town if I want to really cross them out of my pool. Would you disagree?-
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I believe you're voting Hu Tao right now, but maybe you can join me because I think we're seeing the same thing about Luka albeit having a different conclusion. If we can pressure his slot, maybe we can have a better read and maybe you can prove that you're right about him being town after all.-
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Do you imagine anyone else joining you in Hu Tao's wagon in the meantime? And you have described Eiralox as "too wolfy"... but Hu Tao seems wolfier for you?-
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Firebringer... Are we playing at the same poker table? Did Datisi make that for you?-
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I just woke up from a rough sleep.
Luka grilled you iirc about not voting FancyPants even though you think they're scum. I think it leans scum that they haven't internalized that FancyPants/Firebringer is town in their narrative BECAUSE they're pretending that they don't know everyone else who is town. I distinctly remember them putting FancyPants as strong town in a readslist so they must have already been informed.In post 343, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Can you elaborate on this? If you already have and I forgot, forgive me as I will see it soonIn post 223, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Although I'm serious about my Luka read and I will monitor that slot carefully throughout the game.-
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GIF is best left alone for now. They seem to be verbalizing a method for solving the game. People have been confident for less and they're right about me anyway. Later, if they act inconsistent with their own self-narrative to do something in the game that pushes a scum agenda then it will be very easy for me to solve them!In post 332, Firebringer wrote: I would very much like to see GIF and HEM solve each other when i wake up.-
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How can you overlook something that you already have been informed by? If you're working on a solve, you should have internalized it at that point - and even before grilling someone else about it. It's still possible they did, but I think it leans scum.In post 362, JacksonVirgo wrote: Oh you're right. Do you think this comes from a wolf more than it comes from a town just overlooking it?-
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full sendIn post 369, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'll need external feedback on this as I'm very aware I tend to tunnel.-
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Eiralox feels like they're just trying to position themselves to be able to vote low-hanging fruits based on consensus, less so trying to really sort people.-
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What made you decide that this is the right playstyle to switch to in this game?-
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I'm just not sure where this came from:
I didn't think Kay being suspicious of you after (picking up from context) a scum game where you pocketed her was unnatural. So I'm surprised why you felt that it was, and why you immediately jumped to thinking it's wolf behavior.In post 397, JacksonVirgo wrote: Are you wolf? This feels unnatural-
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In post 468, KayJayQueue wrote:
This isn’t helping at allIn post 465, JacksonVirgo wrote:
AlrightyIn post 463, KayJayQueue wrote:
I mean the only other option than you being scum is that you’re just being really arrogant and that just doesn’t seem like you. Especially with dismissive/passive-aggressive posts like this - I’m very confused by you this game.In post 462, JacksonVirgo wrote: Okie dokie
Why sustain the belligerence, JV? It's clear to me that you're townreading Kay anyway, so why keep her alienated? If you're town who thinks Kay is town, then I've been expecting for you to seek a stronger game position and form a town duo. But what you're doing right now isn't making sense to me? The only thing that's making sense for me is that scum!you wanted to do a reverse psychology on Kay and everyone else that you wouldn't be acting like this if you are scum (because you'd know how to pocket Kay and this isn't how you do it). Or that both of you are scum wanting to distance so you organize this theater. This entire interaction is coming off as really awkward and forced because both of you have a good rapport outside of the game. And I'm not sure if it's just from your side or both of you.In post 469, JacksonVirgo wrote: I’m aware-
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You're bringing some meta outside the game into the game, and I'm not against it. Frankly, I don't want to solicit more because I want to respect boundaries. But if there's more context that will explain some stuff and read your slots better, I'm okay with you bringing in more.In post 425, JacksonVirgo wrote: me spamming you in dms when you were sleeping lol. Unsure if that’s legal to say? Idfk-
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According to you, the subject of the read.In post 486, Luka wrote: This is a weak read at best and I don't know if it's a real one!-
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Nah, you slipped. It must have been weak, but it's definitely true. You're scum VOTE: Luka-
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Luka appraises my scum read of him as a "weak read at best". Not that it's wrong.-
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I can't reliably townread anyone and the slot that I wanted to pressure is intentionally stonewalling me. I also don't think I'll get a lot from Luka because the interaction will just tilt me and make me tunnel if they're town. Umlaut's vote confuses me because at one point he tells me I'm playing badly, and now he just thinks I'm scum? This game isn't gelling well for me so I'll just wait for Eiralox's "own time" and follow anything Firebringer wants to do.-
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hey not to put a lot of pressure on you but i think this day 1 really relies on you leading the town into something good and if this is the best you can do then I'm really disappointedIn post 544, Firebringer wrote:
VOTE: HEMIn post 497, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Nah, you slipped. It must have been weak, but it's definitely true. You're scum VOTE: Luka
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it's not about you. I'm aware i won't get much from you, that's why i said so. i was talking about eiralox who has been completely ignoring me thus far.In post 566, Luka wrote:
Genuine question, what do you expect to gain from said pressure? I'm not a noob enough scum that I'll crumble with a single vote on me, so what will this "pressure" amount towards if you're town? And, why am I intentionally stone walling you? Your read is bad, that's that- nothing to really interact with, no?In post 532, humaneatingmonkey wrote: I can't reliably townread anyone and the slot that I wanted to pressure is intentionally stonewalling me. I also don't think I'll get a lot from Luka because the interaction will just tilt me and make me tunnel if they're town. Umlaut's vote confuses me because at one point he tells me I'm playing badly, and now he just thinks I'm scum? This game isn't gelling well for me so I'll just wait for Eiralox's "own time" and follow anything Firebringer wants to do.-
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VOTE: Eiralox
This is the best place for my vote. I really really want to sheep Firebringer instead but he's just not interested in the game as much as I want him to be. Eiralox has been delaying his big reveal and I'm not convinced that there's a big reveal anyway. Stop making yourself hard to read if you're town, please.-
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FWIW, I don't want to townread them because I still get the vague feeling that they could still be scum, but I can definitely feel a unity forming between me, Hu Tao, Kay, and JV - not unity in the sense of reads but in the sense of where our heads are. Firebringer not being in that unity feel is a bit alarming.-
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I guess more accurately, I can project myself to them more easily and I don't know how relevant it is for reading them as town. But it's there and I feel that.-
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see, this is how i feel like you're TMI'd as fuck and you keep slipping. because you say things like this like your reads are 10x better and how the fuck would you know if your reads are better if we're in day 1 with so little information on the boardIn post 600, Luka wrote: my reads are 10x better-
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> top 3 spewed townIn post 584, Luka wrote: I think the top 3 are relatively spewed town at this point
> includes him
so it's just kay, right? are you really arguing that you are spewed town?-
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Okay, yeah, Luka I recognize you are being townread by many and maybe I'm wrong about you, so would you tell me what I should be townreading about you? I keep spotting perspective slips from you that I feel so strongly about. And that everybody seems to be downplaying because you've been making a lot of effort to share your reads, which people townread (I don't townread effort, and maybe this is the issue). Have you done anything that you or anyone with the skill level that you're projecting to have wouldn't be doing? I see you mentioned that you having a TWTBAW stance on Eiralox is something you wouldn't take, but I don't understand it. And you're open to eliminating them anyway, which makes the read meaningless - not that I'm against you eliminating them.-
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I don't think the naked vote leans scum inherently, I just wanted to force them to verbalize why they naked voted so they can be readable.In post 643, Umlaut wrote: for HEM to really think it is meaningfully >rand scum.
Eiralox was trying to be sassy, so I went sassy. When they started to stonewall me, I brought it back to a level but they kept stonewalling me.In post 643, Umlaut wrote: HEM, is this a reaction test or what?
Part of the day. The naked votes on me came as I replaced in, and with no context, and in a part of the day where there isn't much activity from the game. Meanwhile I had more context for yours, and I asked for your reason anyway, and we're in a much deeper part of the gameIn post 643, Umlaut wrote: Why didn't you get on my case the same way for naked-voting you? What's the difference?
Okay fine, I'm not sure they're surefire definite slip. I feel like they could be slips and I feel strongly about them, and I voted and faked confidence to see their reaction. When their reaction was taunt and make fun of my mafia skills, I knew it was going to be a fruitless route so I dropped it immediately.In post 643, Umlaut wrote: a surefire definite slip-
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uhm, if this is something to town read you with, then it won't work with me as I can already see you winding up to vote with me on Eiralox. but I understand that I can replace it with me and I recognize that you're not really burying me - which works better for me. at this point, you'll have to bury me to score my elimination because the initiative won't come from GIF, Kay and JV (I think?) and Hu Tao only wanted to do E-1s. Fine I'll ignore your slot for now.In post 649, Luka wrote: the answer is undoubtably the fact that I'm not burying Eiralox?-
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I just think if both Eiralox and I are town then you really don't have to bury anyone of us because one of us is bound to be the elimination anyway. But that's maybe ELo stuff, I guess.-
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Actually Luka, why does this paragraph assume Eiralox would flip town? What context am I missing there?In post 649, Luka wrote: If you want something to town read from me, the answer is undoubtably the fact that I'm not burying Eiralox? This is a team game as mafia, and I would have teamates. If I bury this one little goober than my teamate is basically safe for the day and I lose nearly no credit; that's the one thing I would truly town read from myself. Other than that, good question. I don't know what I would town read and I don't know why exactly I'm being town read either. My recommendation is just to hop on the TR Luka train and see if I die soon ^w^-
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i'm not gonna self-vote, and i'm still going to try and play the game the best way i can. put your theory to the test and vote someone else other than me.-
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And why do you still like your vote?In post 676, Umlaut wrote: Still like my vote.-
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