Micro Normal 1104 - Postgame

[Eiralox]

I don't think I'm really looking for anything from you specifically, unless your attitude towards the game changes.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So you don't scumread me, and you just hate my attitude?

I don't think I even fully understand this interaction. I'm asking you to explain why you voted me and you're playing stonewall citing that 1.) it's my responsibility to make you change your vote, 2.) my attitude and my lack of... game-orientedness. Meanwhile, you voted me and had an extended interaction with me. Where throughout, you haven't asked me a single question or tried to sort me in any reasonable way. What am I missing?

[Eiralox]

It's not your responsibility to change my vote, my vote my choice. In a void with me, you, Umlaut and Hu Tao, with the data I currently have, my vote falls on you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So why open this interaction with such a ridiculous sentence:

I think you're the one being voted isn't the onus on you to daringly dazzle us with a display of downright towniness?

It implies that it's my responsibility. Additionally, it implies that you're looking for a standard of towniness from me. What confuses me is that you're admitting now that you're not even looking for anything from me? Even independent of how you feel about my attitude, shouldn't you be extracting more information from me? From our interaction, there's a distinct lack of initiative and clear disinterest in doing that.

More important question: Why are you choosing to vote at such a slim pool? Only FancyPants is confirmed, so I don't understand your position and why you're even included in that pool.

Help me understand.

[Luka]

Me when I forget a mafia game is ongoing then remember its MS so need no fear!
I love this sites cycles istg..

What does this mean? lol

MS cycle lenght is lovely

[Luka]

unlaut either woof narrowing down poe to quici or v either way let it sit

[Luka]

You're going to declare someone the top suspect based on their tattoos and motor tics? Yikes.

Also that analogy has no persuasive force. You have to actually say why Luka is more suspect and Ceejay less so, you can't just say what they're "like."

lul

[Luka]

Smh

Spoiler: My extremely townie introduction

Guys, this "Not Voting" fella has like NO resistance! What are we even doing?!

Can you elaborate on this?

Is this your read list? If so, why omit Umlaut?

You asked 2 questions and had 3 other unrelated things, I would hardly classify this as effort. Especially when you contrast it with this post:

Avatar gotten. As for Luka's effort, what they're basically doing is interacting in order to create more information and reads, which I appreciate because it makes my job easier. However, I've seen enough of both town and mafia do that to know it's not particularly towny at this point. You should reserve judgement on Luka for now.

When, to my knowledge; you were doing the exact same thing. It creates a incongruity between the two and inconsistency. Nobody pointing this out and people towning you for reasons beyond me is what I don't like, and Hu Tao's reaction to my FoS wasn't very good either. They jump on the bandwagon to say they don't like my slot, but once again they never directly state a read on it and they aren't even voting their.

@Luka from what I've seen so far Overcat seems to value engagement through the use of good questions and would look at those sort of posts with a positive light, kind of like what he said here.

Ceejay- Am curious on the few extra reads you've got

Well, I think one of my reads was on you. I like that you've been asking some good questions, but more importantly that you've been willing to put yourself in the firing line on your opinions:

VOTE: Hu Tao
Them liking the doggy is wolfy /srs

eh?

I must be wolfy too because I like Overcat's 36.

Mind explaining this further?

Thoughts on this?

This about hits the nail on the head btw. A strong difference between Luka and Jackson, is Jackson asked some good questions, whereas Luka voted in order to create reads, and then defended themselves from attack. My philosophy is that people who ask questions and behave like detectives are good, and people who speak like politicians are bad.

[Eiralox]

It implies that it's my responsibility.

If you don't want to die sort of yeah it's how all this works

[Luka]

How can I explain things in a way that makes sense?

It feels like people on mafiascum look for logical inconsistencies, those are valuable but not the most important thing. You actually need to have principles that you scumhunt on, and rather than relying on gut, see if you can logically explain your gutread. There are multiple principles that I'm worried that people don't seem worried about.

One is the spirit of inquisitiveness. Town members tend to ask questions in order to find out information, and mafia tend to ask questions in order to enforce some point of view. If I was a mafia member, I would want to ask questions to:

1.Make sure that I seem towny and I seem like I am contributing.

2. In order to make people look bad

and if I was town I would want to ask questions to:

1. Find out information, and see if the other person's logic makes sense

2. In order to generate conversation

It is intuitively obvious that a mafia member would tend to ask questions in one way and a town member in another. And that is my main reason why I believe Luka is mafia.

Case on Mel: Town for asking questions. Case on Me: Wolf for voting and defending yourself unless I decide it's more convinent for it to be something else.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If you don't want to die sort of yeah it's how all this works

would you engage with all my other questions too? thanks

[Luka]

Twtbaw read on Eiralox lets game!

[Luka]

Luka / FancyPants
Witalox / KayJayQueue
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GuyInFreezer / HuTao

[Umlaut]

unlaut either woof narrowing down poe to quici or v either way let it sit

I don't know what quici means.

[Umlaut]

Eiralox, are you normally this... passive? I don't really remember. You seem content to just park your vote on whoever you think is highest prob scum, not try to convince anyone else nor push to learn more. Do you agree that accurately describes your approach?

[Umlaut]

I don’t think ‘onus’ is really

that

fancy a word, though, and Monkey mocking it kind of makes me want to defend Eiralox.

[Hu Tao]

Only actual read I have is cat town here

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don’t think ‘onus’ is really that fancy a word

give me a fancy word

[humaneatingmonkey]

Only actual read I have is cat town here

would you tell me why you voted?

[Eiralox]

Eiralox, are you normally this... passive? I don't really remember. You seem content to just park your vote on whoever you think is highest prob scum, not try to convince anyone else nor push to learn more. Do you agree that accurately describes your approach?

Mostly yes. I do have some to say but I'm keeping chill for a bit. Before taking a mafia break my playstyle was actively detrimental to my mental health and at times others' experience, I mostly joined this game because I saw Ceejay was in it and generally am in a better place right now, but that's all mostly out of game.

I feel good about you and Hu Tao so far, as inferred by a prior post. Beyond that Jackson is probably towniest just for effort and the best opening post.

[Hu Tao]

Only actual read I have is cat town here

would you tell me why you voted?

For reactions

[Hu Tao]

I would say eira is the most sus voting right after I did despite unvoting that slot right before.

[Umlaut]

give me a fancy word

Dissemble

[humaneatingmonkey]

Wow, Umlaut. I didn't even know that word existed. You are a true fancy word connoisseur.

In other words, I wanna wagon Eiralox and force them to answer my questions. VOTE: Eiralox
Although I'm serious about my Luka read and I will monitor that slot carefully throughout the game.

[Luka]

unlaut either woof narrowing down poe to quici or v either way let it sit

I don't know what quici means.

Quick