Mini Normal 2335: Rainbows (Game Over)

[Gypyx]

oooo someone at e-1, exciting

[Gypyx]

hmmm that E-1 was on the town cop lol

[Gypyx]

I’ve talked my way out of lim multiple times at e-1

Sometimes as pr, some as scum, some as vt.

There is no reason to claim right away. I’ll say if it’s close to deadline then that’s different but that doesn’t apply here.


That’s actually why I’m unsure of half’s claim. If town he claimed too early. We had time for discussion and looking at how the wagon formed. If scum then claiming a pr and having crumbs ready is something I’d expect to happen.

halfasleep uses she/her btw <3

[Gypyx]

otherwise - got the town feelings on black, this is pretty major and i've correctly nailed scum!black based on feelings that one time so i think it has more value than the average Gypyx read (the average Gypyx read sucks hard)

this whole debate around whether or not to claim is irrelevant, the claim happened, we just play it out now, there's a cool place called mafia discussion for that

town vibes from Roden also

[Gypyx]

oooo someone at e-1, exciting

Hiii

I know I know you love me

[Gypyx]

I completely disagree with the idea that one needs to vote their scumreads. I recognize that some people might think so, but I think it's very silly that anyone would think that anyone who disagrees is scum.

Mixture of me thinking he hasn't done anything particularly townie, wanting a wagon, and having a lack of better scumreads

Also very very silly

where is this all coming from exactly

[Gypyx]

The top part he’s defending his actions from my accusations.

I thought he had 2 scum reads (me/half) but they didn’t vote either of us. I thought it was weird they aren’t voting any of their scum reads. Turns out his scum read was a joke.

They finally vote half after others do and that was suspicious to me.

I don’t understand why someone would have a scum read but not want to vote them.

Let's say i'm scumreading someone who's widely TR'd

what good is that gonna do for anyone to push it?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Lovekilling

going to sleep but that's probably my one scumread~

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Lovekilling

going to sleep but that's probably my one scumread~

I think you're voting town

elaborate?

[Gypyx]

If there is a cop it probably is flavoured but it is helpful to scum much more than Town to know what it is.

HT not elavorating on that is identical to me and others originally on the wagon. I just invited beforehand to leave it e-2 instead of e-1 while the claim happened.

I'm not saying we try and out power roles? I am not from here, I do not have a meta on setups. My evaluation of that as a fake claim are not meta related at all. It's just a bad claim badly done. I'm saying they waited to see the room call it a fake claim before entertaining the idea it was a fake claim.

who is "they" here?

[Gypyx]

i was reading it as "GreddyBadger" for a while personally lol

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Lovekilling

going to sleep but that's probably my one scumread~

I think you're voting town

elaborate?

I like their posts the most so far. Theirs and rationals. Thoughts on Charles and greedy?

I've been entertaining thoughts of charles being scum

don't have much on banger right now

[Gypyx]

yeah well i don't think so bud

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Charles

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Charles

Hi Gypyx,

Why are you deciding to vote for me?

why do you care?

[Gypyx]

Think that's a pretty scummy response too, especially to an isolated vote

[Gypyx]

Charles is a serious player, more on the mish mash side of the site

[Gypyx]

wdym o wonderous cow

[Gypyx]

Charles is a serious player, more on the mish mash side of the site

What's a Mish mash?

it's when you play other things than mafia

[Gypyx]

Here's what I see so far:

Gypyx

BlackStar

scum
Black

KayJayQueue

null
awesomeming327 null
Hu Tao scum
Not_Mafia null
Charles510 town
LoveKilling null
T3 null
halfasleep null
Robbnva null
Roden null
GreedyBanger

JacksonVirgo

,

Cookie911

null
RationalMadman null

aintnoway that's a real readslist

[Gypyx]

did you make 33 posts without reading the thread?

[Gypyx]

Charles

why would town find you towny right now

[Gypyx]

Charles you're making it really hard for me to not scumread you right now

also like, by usually do you refer to... 2022 charles meta? It's past outdated lol

[Gypyx]

(that's when you had your last scumgame here, if you play mafia more offsite by all means link me those games)

[Gypyx]

I think Gypyx's push on Charles is probably more likely to come from town. I can see how Charles would appear scummy to someone that hasn't played with him before and Gypyx scumreading everything he's doing from readslists to votes to responses is probably genuine as opposed to scum going for lhf

i do understeand charles is more of a trollish player but i think his trollishness comes from scum here

[Gypyx]

I think Gypyx's push on Charles is probably more likely to come from town. I can see how Charles would appear scummy to someone that hasn't played with him before and Gypyx scumreading everything he's doing from readslists to votes to responses is probably genuine as opposed to scum going for lhf

i do understeand charles is more of a trollish player but i think his trollishness comes from scum here

Can you articulate why?

High-self consciouscness and trying to play out what he knows is unserious as serious

[Gypyx]

i think Kay's frozen scum

also +1 to the black townread

[Gypyx]

I know i'm the funniest girl on the forum but also that wasn't meant to be

[Gypyx]

The thread feels like everyone in it is town right now

[Gypyx]

VOTE: KayKayKueue

wanna do this with me?

[Gypyx]

This is litterally me spelling kay's name wrong for the lulz

[Gypyx]

OH

[Gypyx]

i understeand why kay's ISO was so short now lol

UNVOTE:

i must go, i'll be pondering my orb

[Gypyx]

Whole bunch of nothing really

charles is acting trollish

i'm being dumb

i think it's a whole bunch of towny nothing though

[Gypyx]

Yeah maybe kay was town actually

townread on black successfully

reaffrimed

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Awesomeming

let's start here

[Gypyx]

Everyone active and therefore a threat to me is good and should not view me as a threat

Got it buddy !

[Gypyx]

that was supposed to be a :mrgreen fuck

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Awesomeming

let's start here

We are 3 days from deadline and you want to start activity policing people? Are you that adverse to doing anything?

I think it's a good kill

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Awesomeming

let's start here

We are 3 days from deadline and you want to start activity policing people? Are you that adverse to doing anything?

I think it's a good kill

No associatives, no information. A green flip is terrible and a red flip is lucky. Theres one team this is a good kill for and its not town.

I ain't killing a town person for the sake of generating associatives lol

[Gypyx]

towny person*

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Awesomeming

let's start here

We are 3 days from deadline and you want to start activity policing people? Are you that adverse to doing anything?

I think it's a good kill

No associatives, no information. A green flip is terrible and a red flip is lucky. Theres one team this is a good kill for and its not town.

I ain't killing a town person for the sake of generating associatives lol

You'd rather a shot in the dark activity police comprimise kill thats very easily influenced by scum, likely to be townie and provides no consolation information?

Well it sounds like that's not the idea you're the biggest fan of

but also like

we win the game by killing scum

[Gypyx]

Make your detailed case on Awsomething then Gypyx. Wow me.

Yeah sorry but i hate writing cases, can you just like, take a peek, see if that convinces you and if not we'll try to work out something else?

[Gypyx]

I think not_mafia is in his town meta

to adress his concerns though, i do think it'll quickly become self evident if we have room for a full town cop in the setup

[Gypyx]

Ugh. I keep using the wrong L word. I’m sorry. I need to work on removing it from my vocab

I personally use Execute as it's (imo) more distinct, it should be able to avoid making a slip by virtue of inattention

[Gypyx]

i understeand why kay's ISO was so short now lol

UNVOTE:

i must go, i'll be pondering my orb

Very weird. This may be a scumslip not a townslip. You reread game and didn't take note who replaced who?

I clicked on the ISO button and saw that kay was among the players to ISO

[Gypyx]

this game is so hard to engage with idk why. just reading this thread is making my eyes glaze over but i'll try to give some catchup thoughts:

- ming i think is lurking town. i've seen similar posting patterns from him before (i was scum then tho).
- i think i was probably wrong on rationalmadman. his arguments with black are screaming tvt to me.
- i think a lot of discussion is being wasted speculating on things i haven't said.
- hu tao and robbnva still slight scumvibes.
- roden, gypyx, greedybanger townvibes.
- everyone else is null. complete white noise.

do you think ming would act differently as scum?

[Gypyx]

I guess I wouldn't hate a not mafia wagon either.

I think this is town N_M though

[Gypyx]

I will not vote Awesomeming and am actively against the vote but I think no other vote is going to succeed now.

Unless you've got anything tangible awesome is the slot that has the highest odds of flipping scum

[Gypyx]

i think it's funny how the strongest evidence anyone's come up for me is "this guy doesn't vote his scumreads"

this reads as scum annoyed they're getting caught for the wrong reasons

[Gypyx]

I will not vote Awesomeming and am actively against the vote but I think no other vote is going to succeed now.

Unless you've got anything tangible awesome is the slot that has the highest odds of flipping scum

No, it isn't. You made that up.

Can we please try to tone down the biterness? This is something i'm legitimately thinking, and we're not gonna go very far approaching things like that

[Gypyx]

well uh, we're supposed to be playing a game together, i'd like it if we treat it as such but ok

[Gypyx]

well uh, we're supposed to be playing a game together, i'd like it if we treat it as such but ok

Then reply to me about the odds you made up.

This is going nowhere so nope i won't

[Gypyx]

lol yeah actually what's up with that

[Gypyx]

I guess I wouldn't hate a not mafia wagon either.

I think this is town N_M though

i'm probably at a 6, would not be super surprised if he was scum, just not seeing it
From 1-10 how sure are you that this is Not_Mafia's town game

[Gypyx]

i think we gain from flipping ming before greedy

although maybe he is scum white knighting ? That would be weird but possible

[Gypyx]

Maybe it's just ming/Greedy

772 seems like a lie and I don't understand why town!Greedy would lie here

how do you feel about it potentially being greedy attempting to white knight ming, getting caught, and hoping a mind townflip will calm some of the heat?

[Gypyx]

ming townflip*

[Gypyx]

Because you obviously aren't trying to lay low, and i guess the way you're pushing things could be you deliberately acheiving nothing, but that doesn't feel right

[Gypyx]

VOTE: GreedyBanger

[Gypyx]

Be the change you want to see in the world

[Gypyx]

Be the change you want to see in the world

You see I want ming more gone than Greedy. I just want to get info out of ming, if we get Greedy to talk more it will not provide much

I see but also ming has pretty obviously shown themselves to not be responsive in the face of pressure

[Gypyx]

having awesome at 2nd most townie, there is something wrong here. Based on content, you can't say awesome has done anything to warrant a town read because they have done nothing this game. They have 12 posts out of 960 and they didn't push/vote their scum read until a wagon was forming. Also their reaction to their only scum read claiming town PR doesn't fit how a normal person would react.

Mmhmm

Vote greedy bestie

So i'm not your bestie huh

[Gypyx]

If I am killed this NP, please pay extreme attention to this and vote him based on it:

Robb just said I have lied at least 2 times about him this game. Yet, he is not voting me and could not tell the lies in a timely manner yet had the time to post other things, despite me directly asking him to state the lies immediately.

You are not getting killed night 1 lol

[Gypyx]

If I am killed this NP, please pay extreme attention to this and vote him based on it:

Robb just said I have lied at least 2 times about him this game. Yet, he is not voting me and could not tell the lies in a timely manner yet had the time to post other things, despite me directly asking him to state the lies immediately.

You are not getting killed night 1 lol

Why not?

Your play, whether you're right or wrong is actively antitown and you're just pulling down the game thread's vibes

[Gypyx]

If I am killed this NP, please pay extreme attention to this and vote him based on it:

Robb just said I have lied at least 2 times about him this game. Yet, he is not voting me and could not tell the lies in a timely manner yet had the time to post other things, despite me directly asking him to state the lies immediately.

You are not getting killed night 1 lol

Why not?

Your play, whether you're right or wrong is actively antitown and you're just pulling down the game thread's vibes

That's interesting. I was your hardest Townread until very recently it seems. Funny how fast that shifted to me being antitown

You can be both town and playing antitown

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: robnnva

Gaslighting liar caught.

Dude.

[Gypyx]

Like really you need to quit acting like that

i've only existed in this thread for 2 days with you and i've seen you post aggravating shit to pretty much everyone

[Gypyx]

That's straight up caught red handed slipping.

missing a post isn't caught red handed.

I caught you red handed lying twice though. Are you going to admit your mistake and unvote me, or are you going to keep gaslighting me?

I'm sure you can do better than imitating madman's style of namecall

like, reminder here but this is supposed to be a newbie friendly environnement, a simple normal, there's quite a few slots here that are new to the hobby and this is a very poor showing

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Awesomeming

back here i go

[Gypyx]

That's straight up caught red handed slipping.

missing a post isn't caught red handed.

I caught you red handed lying twice though. Are you going to admit your mistake and unvote me, or are you going to keep gaslighting me?

I'm sure you can do better than imitating madman's style of namecall

like, reminder here but this is supposed to be a newbie friendly environnement, a simple normal, there's quite a few slots here that are new to the hobby and this is a very poor showing

I find this funny I'm used to aggressive people so this does not bother me, but help me understand their way of thinking

Well i'm happy to hear you don't mind the agressiveness cause it absolutely grinds my gears lol

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Awesomeming

back here i go

Just as I was getting my attention Explain yourself!

Reasonable explaination for how you acted around ming / N_M

[Gypyx]

I'm a flexible player when i want to

[Gypyx]

[quote=Black post_id=14182982 post_num=1024 time=1715708887 user_id=36961]
[quote=Gypyx post_id=14182974 post_num=1019 time=1715708384 user_id=34123]
[quote=GreedyBanger post_id=14182970 post_num=1015 time=1715708256 user_id=37464]
[quote=Gypyx post_id=14182966 post_num=1012 time=1715708034 user_id=34123]
[vote]Awesomeming[/vote]

back here i go
[/quote]

Just as I was getting my attention Explain yourself!
[/quote]

Reasonable explaination for how you acted around ming / N_M
[/quote]

I'm curious what makes it reasonable to you
[/quote]

What he said about not really pushing N_M that actively, curious why he even chose to do so but townies can have points where they don't make sense as much as scum can

[Gypyx]

That's straight up caught red handed slipping.

missing a post isn't caught red handed.

I caught you red handed lying twice though. Are you going to admit your mistake and unvote me, or are you going to keep gaslighting me?

I'm sure you can do better than imitating madman's style of namecall

like, reminder here but this is supposed to be a newbie friendly environnement, a simple normal, there's quite a few slots here that are new to the hobby and this is a very poor showing

I am curious why you directed this at me and not Rational? Rational is the one being aggressive, I would dare even say borderline toxic.

I'm very much unhappy with rational too, just that he seems perfectly fine acting how he is and i have more hope for you to understeand where i'm getting at, sorry for the agressiveness

[Gypyx]

having come off being banned for 4 years for being agressive/toxic, I am very sensitive to these kinds of accusations. I don't feel like I have been toxic or agressive until I matched Rational's aggressiveness.

Accusing me of gaslighting him because I missed a post he made is ridiculous. If anyone is guilty of gaslighting, it is rational.

Apologies i am misphrasing my point, i am basically just saying that you don't need to reply to madman's accusations

I do not think you overstepped the line here, sorry for making it seem like that, it was poorly phrased of me

[Gypyx]

would be great if we could consolidate

pick 2 wagons you wanna go for

awesome / charles

[Gypyx]

i think the Rational / rob argument is TvT

with this i'm expecting scum to sit more on the sidelines, hoping that town will keep on eating itself

[Gypyx]

HA fakeclaim will be self evident once we get to the part where we can claim stuff and all, so it's not a biggie if we let her go for a bit

[Gypyx]

I think we wait a bit to see what happens with rational

[Gypyx]

my apologies to everyone including Rational for using the G word. I forgot that was added to the rules of the site and even though it was directed to me first, there is no excuse to break site rues. I also apologize for using the L word again. Playing mafia for 20 years, that word is a hard one to stop using but I will try even harder going forward.

You're good <3

[Gypyx]

I think they don't use that anymore because of the L word.

Mis Eliminate Or Lose or Eliminate or Lose.

either way, rational and I being there together if both are town, is auto town lose. Though I don't think they are town and that thought process will only change if there is actually a cop with an innocent on them. And in that instance, they probably wouldn't be alive at that point.

Actually people use MELo and ELo

as in MisEliminate and LOse and Eliminate or LOse

acronyms are weird

[Gypyx]

Yeah I probably would fake that as scum

would you fake that as scum too

[Gypyx]

Code: Select all

[spoiler=][/spoiler]

Like that

[Gypyx]

Yeah the black bar kinda sucks

Lets you do this though

(which you can barely see on mafblack)

[Gypyx]

Is it worth speculating why two people replaced out of the same slot or nah?

Well one replaced out because they were banned so that's 1 less to the count

but even if the above wasn't true nah, let's preserve game integrity

[Gypyx]

oh so i guess HA was just scum huh lol

[Gypyx]

We were all scared of N_M when the true hammering menace was H_A

[Gypyx]

why did you not specifiy the odd-night when first claiming

[Gypyx]

I mean I’ve been out of it for 4 years but I don’t feel that’s balanced. It was already unlikely of just a cop but now with a gunsmith and cop? I’d have to check and see if that’s ever been done before. I’ve gone through normal reviews before.

as a NRG member (i love using that position to get more authority wow) i feel like
Vig
Gunsmith
Odd-night cop

is something i'd pass depending on the scum power

funny thing is that HA claimed full cop so now i'm gonna murder her

[Gypyx]

halfasleep's slience says a lot anyways

[Gypyx]

I can't believe that would pass review. I know vig is considered a negative utility but still, that seems hard to balance

Hot take but people who consider vig as negative utility need to be shunned from society

[Gypyx]

funny thing is that HA claimed full cop so now i'm gonna murder her

i at no point claimed i was unlimited. it seemed to me more helpful to scum than town to specify more than necessary.

Idk about everyone else but i was definetly under the impression that you claimed to be a full cop

[Gypyx]

Annoying thing is that odd night cop makes sense in this setup

[Gypyx]

You know what

i belive you

can people unvote maybe

[Gypyx]

well that isn't much. You could also be odd night mafia cop. I don't know much about "Simple" setups but town having ungated vig, ungated gunsmith, and odd night cop seems more than simple.

I still need to look over the completed games and review previous simple mafia setups to see what kind of setups have been run

what's so complex about this setup? I feel like it's extremely straight fowards

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ple_Normal

you should take a look at the normal guidelines, also mafia cop isn't allowed in simples

[Gypyx]

I belive scum halfasleep would've had a buddy of hers try to at least give her the space to clarify that she's not claiming full cop, here nobody is throwing her any bones, which would be really weird as scum, as it's something as simple as coordinating with a buddy to say "i don't belive halfasleep is a full town cop" "that's not what i claimed"

also like, HS next time, if you claim "Town Cop" people are gonna assume that your role is town cop sorry, gates always need to be specified

Also give us your result pretty pls <3

[Gypyx]

T3 can you unvote in case someone quickhammers?

i think we've gotten across the point that HA is today's lim enough

[Gypyx]

i'm shocked

flabergasted even

[Gypyx]

Asleep you've made a funny meme

how could you betray me like that

[Gypyx]

I would say "i'm a cop who may or may not have additional modifiers"

like, just saying cop implies that you're unmodified

[Gypyx]

speedwagon go brrrr

anyways if y'all actually wanted to play mafia today join my avalon marathon game happening in 3 hours

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Black

kinda agreed

[Gypyx]

HA was pretty clearly ready to die yesterday

[Gypyx]

also uh i'd like to apologize for defending half asleep lol

[Gypyx]

Does anyone have any other reads other than the ones we're voting

I feel like Roden is pretty obvtown

[Gypyx]

I don’t have much to add right now. Waiting on input from Charles and Psych.

Not happening with charles i think bud, sorry

[Gypyx]

nope, bad limpool, banished to the abyss of infinite darkness

[Gypyx]

i'd countervote you but kinda wanna stay on black

so uhhh

blows up GreedyBanger with mind

[Gypyx]

*does a backflip*

[Gypyx]

i'm actually waiting to see if something happens but i realize i might've been wrong

[Gypyx]

i'm a robb beliver

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Charles510

[Gypyx]

I think i should be the execution as i've spewed myself to be VT really hard

[Gypyx]

I guess nolim could work yeah

[Gypyx]

I think i should be the execution as i've spewed myself to be VT really hard

???

Why would we elim someone who was spewed as VT?

to be clearer, i'm spewed as either vanilla or scum

[Gypyx]

I think i should be the execution as i've spewed myself to be VT really hard

???

Why would we elim someone who was spewed as VT?

to be clearer, i'm spewed as either vanilla or scum

Oh. Even so, why do you think that means you should die first?

i'm sussy as fuck and don't wanna be alive in ELO to poison the discussion lol

[Gypyx]

I feel like it's greedy but if it's not him i'm afraid we're absolutely fucked tommorow given how bad my play has been this game

[Gypyx]

or like, does greedy really let all that happen?

[Gypyx]

maybe i'm just memeing

[Gypyx]

maybe i'm just memeing

sorry, the urge to say scummy shit is too strong

[Gypyx]

but yeah uh, the thing is we probably have like 1 role left in the town, and maybe if we go to sleep it'll have a shot at one more action before it becomes PoE'd

[Gypyx]

l-word detected, reminder engaged

[Gypyx]

Roden Greedy and Gypyx what are your top 3?

Charles / Greedy / You

unordered, but basically a question of "who exactly lets this happen"

[Gypyx]

To make a small self meta point, as scum i'm an EXTREME team player, i would absolutely not let Psyche / HalfAsleep die by just rolling over the floor

[Gypyx]

i've also only had 1 scumgame since hiatus so uh, i understeand if you don't belive me

[Gypyx]

honestly this game is kinda fucked, we really don't have a lot to work with

[Gypyx]

The problem being that the last scum we have to find is basically a serial killer

[Gypyx]

I think i would be defeatist both as town and scum in that post

as scum : well yeah, i'm probably dying today or tommorow due to my really shit associatives, although i haven't really bothered to take a look at RMM from a scum!lens (mostly cause reading his posts infuriates me)

as town : i have no clue where to look, i'm probably dying, we only have 2 lims

[Gypyx]

Roden and Black are my 2 legacy townreads really

[Gypyx]

I won't do it now but sure i can put that on my to do list

[Gypyx]

how fucked would it be if it was just charles

[Gypyx]

just saying that it would explain a lot of things

[Gypyx]

I can't blame you for trying that Gyphx, what else can you do, but goddamn is that not just blatently scum Gyphx realising they are defo one of the the next two elims unless they can claw charles into the pool.

i'm willing to be the lim today if that means that charles!slot is the lim tommorow

[Gypyx]

At least im scumreading Roden. You cant possibly be scumreading Charles and its even more insane than what I proposed if its just for a nullread.

i was actually scumreading charles though for what little things he posted

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: List of Roden posts that make me feel town

Spoiler: Robbnva

man I forget how slow games on this site can be. Some sites have 48 hour days which is too fast but 2 weeks is definitely too slow.

Then help to end it faster.

By getting a good vote reasoning and pushing the wagon.

Pressure is good, rushing isn't. Pressure can end days faster if done right.

I don't think we're going to get anywhere as long as this discussion keeps going tbh. You're kind of the center of attention and everyone is either just spectating, commentating, or trying to challenge your strategy, and there isn't much alignment-indicative content being made because of that. I think it would be best to drop the argument altogether and focus on giving reads and making a serious vote.

What do you make of the current game state? Do you think scum is trying to lay low right now? Do you think Robb vs Hu Tao is TvS or TvT?

Spoiler: Robbnva

man I forget how slow games on this site can be. Some sites have 48 hour days which is too fast but 2 weeks is definitely too slow.

Then help to end it faster.

By getting a good vote reasoning and pushing the wagon.

Pressure is good, rushing isn't. Pressure can end days faster if done right.

I don't think we're going to get anywhere as long as this discussion keeps going tbh. You're kind of the center of attention and everyone is either just spectating, commentating, or trying to challenge your strategy, and there isn't much alignment-indicative content being made because of that. I think it would be best to drop the argument altogether and focus on giving reads and making a serious vote.

What do you make of the current game state? Do you think scum is trying to lay low right now? Do you think Robb vs Hu Tao is TvS or TvT?

Unsure why you're trying to paint us as potentially against each other when I haven't even said I scumread them. And they just did an initial vote on me.

Don't really like the word choice here. I'm not "painting" anything, you two are the only ones having any real conflict so far. And saying that you're unsure of my intentions is just a vague statement that shades me while keeping you from having to take a stance.

Even if you haven't directly said that you scum read him, that's the only thing I can infer so far. You're interested in how he plays as scum and asked for links to his past games. You've also been shading him for his vote on you. If you don't scum read him, then what's your stance?

I'm less suspicious of Hu Tao after our interaction though. I think she would have tried to finesse her way out of any scrutiny if she were scum, instead of the initial brute force reaction of scum reading me. Especially since she already kind of did that against Robb.

I'm not 100% confident in town reading her yet though, 225 is a smart way to try to disengage and lose some heat if she's scum. For now I just don't think I want to pursue an elim there and want to see how the rest of her gameplay progresses.

It's 2024

Who puts a Town Cop in their 2024 Mini Normal

Truthfully idk the norms of setups here, just that they're super basic (and I like it that way usually so I'm not complaining).

A cop is a typical town investigative PR to have in a game. Idk if that's not usual here, I admit that.

I feel the cop is flavoured to weaken, potentially. However asking the flavouring is going to absolutely hurt Town. The cop if unflavoured means scum probably has 2 PRs then, to balance it out.

Idk how unusual that is. I know mafia but not specifically setup norms or rarities here, I am more interested in the game of reading people than setup mechanics personally.

Set ups here typically don't have ungated Cops, so HA not claiming any modifiers is inherently suspicious. If she isn't an alt and is genuinely new to the site, she might not have picked up on that particular bit of site meta over the past few months she's been here.

Regardless we should probably avoid voting out a potential Cop just because of meta, if it's a real claim then scum have no choice but to kill her tonight.

Arguing semantics about the odds of someone flipping scum Day 1 is useless. Gypy is saying that she feels most confident that Awesome will flip scum over anyone else and hasn't been given any evidence to suggest otherwise; she didn't actually run a statistical analysis on scum flip percentages.

in context that was a response to RMM

This game solve is annoying if scum just aren't playing

Psyche actually flipping red is wild, I feel like his elim was completely avoidable if he just did the bare minimum

After reading through Madmad's ISO I feel like Black is spewed town, I was gonna say Robb as well but uh I guess scum realized that too

[Gypyx]

additionally, something else that makes me think charles is scum is that his vote on Psyche very much looks like a panic bus, no words no nothing, town charles wouldn't have enough context to drop it like that i think

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Psyche

for context, this was putting Psyche at E-1, i think Charles was very much aware of this

[Gypyx]

my wim is fucking back, am i allowed to not roll over the floor and try to murder whoever replaces charles

[Gypyx]

Right now my list is

Black
Roden
Greedy
Gypyx
Charles

I think killing Charles and Gypyx wins this game

ditto'd, everyone else at least has something going for them mefeels

although i've been fooled by black recently so uh, that's something i'd rather take another look at

[Gypyx]

can't wait for LLD to replace into charles!slot or some shit and have her work her voodoo magic

[Gypyx]

where are you LoveKilling worries coming from again?

[Gypyx]

fire is locktown for being the only other person to see what I'm seeing with LK

why would scum!fire not see that?

[Gypyx]

dang

[Gypyx]

gotta make sure to eliminate the 4 remaining % or something

[Gypyx]

Trying to think about what angle would scum!fire take in this spot and i'm kinda afraid that she would do exactly this

[Gypyx]

I think fire has that kind of wim as scum, although i've never *actually* seen her but yeah

[Gypyx]

it's a me being aware that she's pretty good at scum thing

[Gypyx]

We arnt ever getting scum fire and i'm not throwing away one of the bullets on it anyway. Good player subs into a godly spot and wins. I'll sleep fine.

Yeah i'm sorry but charles is by no means a godly spot lol

[Gypyx]

Charles was absolutely scummy for the few things he posted

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Charles

Hi Gypyx,

Why are you deciding to vote for me?

why do you care?

VOTE: Charles

Hi Gypyx,

Why are you deciding to vote for me?

why do you care?

I would like to avoid being unalived first day if I can help it.

Think that's a pretty scummy response too, especially to an isolated vote

Here's what I see so far:

Gypyx

BlackStar

scum
Black

KayJayQueue

null
awesomeming327 null
Hu Tao scum
Not_Mafia null
Charles510 town
LoveKilling null
T3 null
halfasleep null
Robbnva null
Roden null
GreedyBanger

JacksonVirgo

,

Cookie911

null
RationalMadman null

aintnoway that's a real readslist

Here's what I see so far:

Gypyx

BlackStar

scum
Black

KayJayQueue

null
awesomeming327 null
Hu Tao scum
Not_Mafia null
Charles510 town
LoveKilling null
T3 null
halfasleep null
Robbnva null
Roden null
GreedyBanger

JacksonVirgo

,

Cookie911

null
RationalMadman null

aintnoway that's a real readslist

Come on, I just woke up and I'm going to reread 26 pages this morning. This is just a rough draft of my thoughts so far.

did you make 33 posts without reading the thread?

Charles

why would town find you towny right now

Scum Charles usually shuts TFU and hopes not to be noticed.

Charles you're making it really hard for me to not scumread you right now

also like, by usually do you refer to... 2022 charles meta? It's past outdated lol

I think Gypyx's push on Charles is probably more likely to come from town. I can see how Charles would appear scummy to someone that hasn't played with him before and Gypyx scumreading everything he's doing from readslists to votes to responses is probably genuine as opposed to scum going for lhf

i do understeand charles is more of a trollish player but i think his trollishness comes from scum here

I think Gypyx's push on Charles is probably more likely to come from town. I can see how Charles would appear scummy to someone that hasn't played with him before and Gypyx scumreading everything he's doing from readslists to votes to responses is probably genuine as opposed to scum going for lhf

i do understeand charles is more of a trollish player but i think his trollishness comes from scum here

Can you articulate why?

High-self consciouscness and trying to play out what he knows is unserious as serious

[Gypyx]

while it's not a lot, i do reaffirm that this probably warrants keeping an eye on charles

especially how it looks like the scumteam kinda just rolled over and waited for death, Black / Roden / Greedy probably would've managed to cheer them up (especially psyche), maybe lovekilling would have done it, charles is the biggest culprit for that (if you wanna consider me for that, i would like to think that i'm a pretty big team player, so it would be on the same level as LoveKilling most likely)

[Gypyx]

I seriously doubt it's any of black / roden / greedy now

additionally, the fact that charles!slot gets sweeped under the rug because of charle's inactivity is kinda annoying

[Gypyx]

i'm not saying he's scum because of it, it's more that i'm annoyed by how people are shoving him aside cause it feels less good casing him

[Gypyx]

All i see in these recent pages is a NAI soup

[Gypyx]

down to vote LK and pray to god i guess

[Gypyx]

this is more of an intent to vote thing and not me placing it

feels like people still wanna discuss and stuff

[Gypyx]

VOTE: LoveKilling

aight bet

[Gypyx]

dodging the question i see

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

anyone cc'ing a power role?

[Gypyx]

But im the 2 shot jailkeeper roden hard cleared

dodging the question i see

Totally

i wrote it before seeing your second post and thought it was too funny to let it go by

[Gypyx]

Not CCing

Gypyx im mechanically challenged, does this fit?

I'd say that checks out yeah

mods especially love to put in the Jk + Vig interaction

[Gypyx]

Well announcing for sure who you were going to jail sort of makes the jail useless but fair enough.

wdym, lk kinda needs to announce it?

[Gypyx]

I would very much like your jailkeep to be on fire tonight LK, if you trust my read on charles

[Gypyx]

- his claim makes sense given what we have flipped

- the setup only being vigilante + gunsmith would've been extremely unusual

- i wasn't even that sold that hard on scum!LK to begin with

[Gypyx]

And what do you think of the idea (That fire said first, according to LK), that the 2X JK probably necessitates some mafia PR in the setup that could still negate the jailing?

i agree which is why we probably shouldn't treat whatever result LK gets as a hard result

[Gypyx]

yeah that's fair

remember what i asked about JKing charles, this slot is going to be extremely hard to sort any other way so we really need to get everything we can over there

[Gypyx]

i obviously would prefer if we did things the other way around (with me being JK'ed and fire being limmed today) but i understeand that i'm probably in no position to negociate

[Gypyx]

Gypyx is there a reason you're not clawing and scratching to survive

I'm politely suggesting other options but i'm also coming from a place where i fully understeand the sus on me so...

[Gypyx]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=25071

town: 1 gunsmith, 1 odd-night vig, 1 even-night vig
maf: 1 encryptor

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25751

town: 1 cop, 1 vig
maf: 1 framer

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61162

town: 1 2-shot vig, 1 doctor
maf: all goons

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61720

note this is 12p not 13p. also note not_mafia was the gunsmith in this game lol

town: 1 gunsmith, 1 vig, 2x neighbor
maf: all goons

for the first one, having the vig split into 2 different roles is imo way more powerful than a single full vig

second setup was actually a 1-shot day vig with a cop vs framer, notably there were only 2 mafiosos and it was deemed unbalanced

third setup also had an odd-night tracker which it's reasonable for fire to have missed due to the fact that it was only visible through a claim

[Gypyx]

in short, i think this angle looks pretty bad from fire but also belivable so yeah i'm also doing some flip flopping

[Gypyx]

but i also find the way fire seemed to have dug specifically for setup that back her point up while ignoring the others (which absolutely exist, not feeling like doing a huge dive) kinda icky

[Gypyx]

please do elaborate on your sus on black, not like i necessarily agree but i wanna hear more

[Gypyx]

I have to agree i maybe should look into why i've been townbinning black more closely since it's been more of a default read and i've been fooled by black before

[Gypyx]

Honestly. We have one conftown in Roden. Just let them pick 2 names and let's be done with this. It's exhausting.

I feel like we can do better than this, although i get the frustration

[Gypyx]

they call her the fastest OMGUS in the west

[Gypyx]

they call her the fastest OMGUS in the west

Is it really OMGUS if I thought you were scum before this opportunistic stuff?

that was me being a bit of a goofy goober but sure i feel like if you'd be scum you would be adverse to people finding each other town and stuff

[Gypyx]

Why am i the mafia one when fire brought you up on the same level?

[Gypyx]

Sometimes your #1 scumread says stuff that makes sense

[Gypyx]

well, it's less that fire said good arguments and more that it prompted for me a reflexion of "why am i townreading black again"

[Gypyx]

heck, i might even elect that you're actually towny on a reread, but my point was that yeah, maybe you've got townbinned too hastily

[Gypyx]

this is in no way me switching you as my top scumread, but the fact that you're going from a relatively sane push to full aggro is... eh?

[Gypyx]

am i allowed to scumread you or are you too precious and important for us to leave you hanging like that

[Gypyx]

honestly maybe i'll scumread you just so that we can fight about it for a bit, this is fun

[Gypyx]

cmonnnnnnn plssssssssss

[Gypyx]

shhhhh don't say it so loudly she might hear us

[Gypyx]

anyways Roden / Greedy i am comfortable putting as town and not reevaluating there

time to dig through the archives

[Gypyx]

Halfasleep wagon at the time of her claiming cop :

halfasleep (6) -

BlackStar

,

RationalMadman

,

Not_Mafia, awesomeming327, Hu Tao

, Black

the interesting part is that halfasleep claimed immediatly, so she probably had already time to theorycraft what her claim would be, while this might be a bit of a stretch, i feel like this fits with a scum!black world where it's a strategy to get pressure off of halfasleep and start looking elsewhere, meanwhile HA wouldn't be as prepared for it imo if the E-1 came from town

VOTE: Hu Tao

there's also this which looks like yet another panic vote from charles (right after hu brought halfasleep to E-2)

[Gypyx]

i think you're all town lol

scum!fire is trolling us wow, so brave

[Gypyx]

anyways Roden / Greedy i am comfortable putting as town and not reevaluating there

time to dig through the archives

Why is Greedy town?

The way he has approached this day and everything, i also think that scum!greedy would've tried to get psyche to say more stuff instead of just rolling over the floor, which uh, now that i think about it the same could probably be said for you

[Gypyx]

Mfers be like "this site is dying" and then don't post and kill games

so annoyed cause like i though back of this post and went "that was pretty towny, the person who said it is probably green" and then it turns out that's our only conftown slot lol

[Gypyx]

Honestly i kinda just want to kill fire and hope that's the right one

[Gypyx]

anyway i'm a town cop. didn't expect to be made to claim over literally nothing but here we are.

my crumbs are here:

evidently

, i don't agree.

and here:

fair enough lol.

c

an't

o

verly

p

ick fault in that

the fact that HA thought of her crumbs so late probably means she was at least feeling some real pressure yeah

[Gypyx]

Honestly i kinda just want to kill fire and hope that's the right one

I'd like you to lavish me with praise please. I want to hear you articulate exactly why I am a town boy. I want it in detail if you really believe it.

Because if we do kill fire, and the game doesnt end, and we go into ELO. I'm not turning on black and I want you unable to credibly turn on me.

So basically what you want is for me to argue myself into a corner

[Gypyx]

if it's not fire i feel like it had to be black, but i'd like to hear why you're so certain on town!black

[Gypyx]

Honestly i kinda just want to kill fire and hope that's the right one

I'd like you to lavish me with praise please. I want to hear you articulate exactly why I am a town boy. I want it in detail if you really believe it.

Because if we do kill fire, and the game doesnt end, and we go into ELO. I'm not turning on black and I want you unable to credibly turn on me.

So basically what you want is for me to argue myself into a corner

Yes please.

well uh, no, as i hope you realize agreeing to such a plan is me commiting suicide as either alignement

would you be at least willing to hear me out on scum!black if it ever gets to this

[Gypyx]

well uh, no, as i hope you realize agreeing to such a plan is me commiting suicide as either alignement

I mean this isn't true. If your read on me is suddenly as strong as you are professing it to be you'd just have to commit to hoping I see the light tomorrow, because otherwise the game is lost either way if I refuse to come to scum black.

when you explcitely stated you wouldn't do so?

[Gypyx]

well uh, no, as i hope you realize agreeing to such a plan is me commiting suicide as either alignement

I mean this isn't true. If your read on me is suddenly as strong as you are professing it to be you'd just have to commit to hoping I see the light tomorrow, because otherwise the game is lost either way if I refuse to come to scum black.

when you explcitely stated you wouldn't do so?

Yes. If you are SURE that I am town and it should not be re-evaluated, then that would be your only hope.

Now clearly theres a part of you that can't agree with that. And it WOULD be gamethrowing if you were scum. So this is all getting pretty interesting!

it's also gametrowing if i am town

like, i guess here, i'm signing the contract with blood or something, if it's not fire i think it's trendmenously more likely for it to be black than you

[Gypyx]

also ugh, the setup just being vig + gunsmith would be a major feelsbad

[Gypyx]

You know, you really have to give it to him. Not_Mafia really did troll the fecal matter out of this game.

so true bestie