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Post #58 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:41 am
Postby Herta »
In post 52, Aisa wrote:
On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.
This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.
Re: marashu I think the massclaiming bit and having reasons for it seem to come from town, so I agree with you and I guess I'm townreading both you and marashu now
I have a question. I'm sorry if this is too much potatoes but I don't wanna read the setup, it makes my brain cry, but I still wanna know what sort of game we're probably playing here. multiple factions? Is there even groupscum? Is it one of those games with three different scum factions and then you can't read anyone cause everyone is kinda towny throughout?
My question (maybe just out of curiosity) is why would anyone choose to be miller
like whats, the other option that they actually discarded that was worse. That's why I actually have some considerations about believing the miller claim
Part of the pm was that I had to choose the Miller role.
Re: marashu I think the massclaiming bit and having reasons for it seem to come from town, so I agree with you and I guess I'm townreading both you and marashu now
I have a question. I'm sorry if this is too much potatoes but I don't wanna read the setup, it makes my brain cry, but I still wanna know what sort of game we're probably playing here. multiple factions? Is there even groupscum? Is it one of those games with three different scum factions and then you can't read anyone cause everyone is kinda towny throughout?
This post seems scummy to me.
I'm forcing things so it might feel scummy yes
Why is it scummy though?
The part where you're asking what kind of set up we're in. It comes off as disingenuous. I can't place it. It just does.
In post 115, Herta wrote:
The part where you're asking what kind of set up we're in. It comes off as disingenuous. I can't place it. It just does.
I don't really get it, but since you can't place it, and quite frankly I expect that everything I post in every game to be scumread for random reasons by someone, I guess there isn't much I can do about it. But still, I'm gonna force something out of this. Maybe I can get a read on you.
What part of it do you think is disingenuous? Do you think I read any of the setup, for instance? Or that maybe it's a LAMIST approach, to ask people instead of reading setup if I care about it? I think maybe you can elaborate on this further, and I can understand where you're coming from, and maybe you can understand me better and good things can happen.
The part where you just happen to stumble on our setup:
In post 1, MegAzumarill wrote:
¤ The full rolelist can be found here.
Lists of Roles and Alignments Included
Roles
from Posts 0 through Post 251.
1. True Groupscum
#1 through 13
2. Benign Groupscum
#1 through 10
3. Solo Third Party
#1 through 7
4. Benign Third Party
#1 through 7
That seems convenient maybe. O rsomehting like that. I'm not grabbing the right word.
In post 52, Aisa wrote:
On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.
This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.
But, like, cops have names based on groupscum present, just like millers (if I'm understanding the game's flavour correctly). So if you are saying your role is actually Miller, that narrows it down to Conspirators or Guardians (and your role explicitly says that if you are a miller for Conspirators you would show up as a vanilla townie).
That said...
In post 130, Herta wrote:
I could've picked it out of the abloaf thread and hoped no one actually got it.
I think this is just as likely (especially since I don't think there's anything preventing multiples of the same role rolling? But I'm not sure). Roughly 10% chance of anyone getting this role (26 picks out of 252) vs the 1 in 13 of Conspirators being the groupscum in this game. I don't think it's unreasonable to say one of these is true, but a must-pick role being present at all in the list is convenient. For the record, I do think claiming miller right away is the right choice (others may disagree), but I'm not a fan of how slow getting any other info out of you was.
In either case, if we see two alignments outside of {Conspirators, Guardians} we should eliminate Herta IMO.
@Temporal, mind expanding a bit on your KittyTacky read? Also on how your read on me changed from 78 to 133?
I return vanilla [smallest groupscum faction at the beginning of the game]. It says nothing about conspirators or guardians or any other faction other than town of course. Walk me through this like I'm 5, please.
According to the setup we have 4 factions, so I don't know why you're speculating on how many there are.
I also don't know what you mean by slow to get information out of me. I'm not on a timetable. And even if I were, what difference does/did it make?
In post 149, Herta wrote:
I return vanilla [smallest groupscum faction at the beginning of the game]. It says nothing about conspirators or guardians or any other faction other than town of course. Walk me through this like I'm 5, please.
According to the setup we have 4 factions, so I don't know why you're speculating on how many there are.
I also don't know what you mean by slow to get information out of me. I'm not on a timetable. And even if I were, what difference does/did it make?
I got 3 factions and not 4 from the following:
In post 1, MegAzumarill wrote:
1. The moderator rolls 1d4. This corresponds to one of the 4 faction lists below.
2. The moderator rolls a random number from 1 to the number of entries in the corresponding list to determine what is present in the game.
3. The moderator rolls an additional number on the True Groupscum list.
One faction from any of the lists. One faction from True Groupscum. Town. Those are the three factions.
As I said, I might be misunderstanding how flavour works. My understanding was that 'Miller', 'Cop', 'Mason', etc would be changed to match whichever faction it is reflecting/investigating/excluding. For example, in the Dark Creatures entry, Miller is listed as 'Abyssal'. So my expectation is that your card would read Universal Must-Pick Abyssal. So either I'm wrong about how the role flavourings work (which, I'll be honest, is definitely a possibility), or we're in a setup where you would return as a Guardian/Conspirator (since those are the only two groupscum that would have Miller as Miller), or you're antitown who wanted to claim miller early but didn't know about miller flavour, and it's this last possibility that has me so fixated on sorting your claim.
I guess I didn't understand that the factions listed weren't the factions in the game. That makes sense.
I don't think you're right about the flavor, but I now understand where you're coming from. My card identifies me as Miller but says it will return the smallest faction name.
So I think you're right about
In post 135, Marashu wrote:
In either case, if we see two alignments outside of {Conspirators, Guardians} we should eliminate Herta IMO.
But I'm not sure. I need to figure out whether you're right about those two factions being the only non-Town, and you probably are.
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Post #172 (isolation #17) » Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:01 am
Postby Herta »
In post 170, Aisa wrote:
I think your understanding of most of the Miller roles is correct, but Herta's role just so happens to be an exception - the official name
of the role is "Universal Miller", the role just investigates
as e.g. Dark Creature to relevant Cops, and Vanilla to relevant Rolecops. If it helps, think of the Role as being named "Universally Suspicious Person" rather than "Universal Miller".
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Post #173 (isolation #18) » Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:03 am
Postby Herta »
In post 171, Herta wrote:
I don't think you're right about the flavor, but I now understand where you're coming from. My card identifies me as Miller but says it will return the smallest faction name.
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Post #177 (isolation #20) » Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:09 am
Postby Herta »
In post 176, Aisa wrote:
Wait I'm dumb lol, I literally asked Meg yesterday? the day before? I believe my interpretation of how Universal Miller works is the correct one.
Why are you voting Fuyuhiko, Herta?
A combination of no content and a stuck game that needs to move on.
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Post #335 (isolation #26) » Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:02 pm
Postby Herta »
I think Aisa is likely town. The last time I played with her I picked up scum vibes early, and I don't sense that here. Not conclusive but close anyway.
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Post #393 (isolation #30) » Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:59 pm
Postby Herta »
I'm not as sure that Temporal Lich is town as others are that he's scum. I'm not super committed to that read. I'll hammer if NM doesn't. A counter wagon would be nice.
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Post #404 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:11 pm
Postby Herta »
In post 403, TemporalLich wrote:
I am townreading Doctor Drew because Doctor Drew has a town mindset... 228 is a good example.
Enchant is very slightly towny still.
and yeah I picked meta-neighbor because neighbor is a quite useful role.
I would still want to elim Kokichi because that would make D2's elim easy and also be very likely to hit scum (though if Kokichi flips town, it actually might be enough to clear Kyoko). Yume would be okay but Day 2 would not be easy as Yume doesn't have any associatives or anti-associatives.
I don't disagree re Yume.
I didn't follow your cases on Kokichi/Kyoko all that well.
I don't really understand the importance of associatives in this game, at least at this point, when we don't know the number of factions and what they are/how big they are.
In post 404, Herta wrote:
I don't really understand the importance of associatives in this game, at least at this point, when we don't know the number of factions and what they are/how big they are.
You're right in that we don't know how big they are, but we. do. know. how. many. factions. there. are.
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Post #544 (isolation #36) » Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:28 pm
Postby Herta »
While I think yume and kittytacky would be fine, kittytacky seems more scummy btw, I am interested in sorting Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu. They pinged me wrong beginning of the game, but no one seemed to see what I did (and I can't remember what it was now) after I voted them.
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Post #579 (isolation #38) » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:08 pm
Postby Herta »
In post 577, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
I’m not opposed to a KT wagon but that’s mainly because aside from TL I have basically no suspects. That may stem from not having read this whole thing though.
This has been a very slow Day 1. There's not a whole lot there to read. It shouldn't take more than 15-20 minutes.
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Post #761 (isolation #47) » Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:34 pm
Postby Herta »
In post 759, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
I don’t believe it’s a post restriction, I think she’s trying to play around a presumed action that I did not take.
In post 759, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
I don’t believe it’s a post restriction, I think she’s trying to play around a presumed action that I did not take.
Huh
Huh what.
what about it was scum motivated and what could I gain from it?
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Post #855 (isolation #57) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:25 pm
Postby Herta »
Well I wasn't sure how two players could have straight guilties, something that I don't know that I've seen for a long time, let alone guilties when everyone was roleblocked. It wasn't until after I posted that I figured they were trolling.