Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)

[Aisa]

Kyoko is clearly being disingenuous. Sorry Kyoko. You keep saying that you can confirm that you can win with both town and scum and, as such, are no threat to anyone. You're conflating being able to win with town

under certain circumstances

with

never

being a threat to the town. It's called a third party for a reason; if your wincon aligned with town perfectly you'd be a happy fluffy town unicorn or something.

[Enchant]

So anyway after consideration, i don't really mind keeping her around.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

VOTE: Gimli
I’d also consider going back to Aisa given Gimli had this conniption after Aisa was the leading wagon with <48 hours left in the phase. But I want to kill off the blatant obvscum first.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Kyoko is clearly being disingenuous. Sorry Kyoko. You keep saying that you can confirm that you can win with both town and scum and, as such, are no threat to anyone. You're conflating being able to win with town

under certain circumstances

with

never

being a threat to the town. It's called a third party for a reason; if your wincon aligned with town perfectly you'd be a happy fluffy town unicorn or something.

Oh hey, Aisa said what I have been trying to say!

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Now explain your read on me.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Kyoko is clearly being disingenuous. Sorry Kyoko. You keep saying that you can confirm that you can win with both town and scum and, as such, are no threat to anyone. You're conflating being able to win with town

under certain circumstances

with

never

being a threat to the town. It's called a third party for a reason; if your wincon aligned with town perfectly you'd be a happy fluffy town unicorn or something.

For all purposes, you can consider me out of the game and solve the game without me. While I have to also solve the game and find scum for "another reason".

Because of the nature of my win condition, the game won't get to a point where I have to decide between town or scum to win.

I also told you that if you're worried about my vote in meanwhile you can make a setup and control it as you wish. I wont mind.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

and yes, I can confirm that I can win with both town and scum

and yes, I am really no threat to anyone (well depending on what you define a threat, but I wont have almost any direct effect on who wins this game)

I just wanna survive and win too and that's me being 200% honest.

I get that you're worried about what might happen late game, but town need to focus on killing scum right now. I am a distraction and my friendly neighbor role is proof of it.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Well you’re doing a poor job of killing scum by voting me.

[Herta]

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

It would seem Kyoko could be vigged? We can't have her in elo if she is what she says she is and confirming herself doesn't change that.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Doctor should be on Herta tonight.

[Gimli]

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

It would seem Kyoko could be vigged? We can't have her in elo if she is what she says she is and confirming herself doesn't change that.

don't just shade with no reason, if you're scumreading me say why you're doing so. 'dislike' doesn't mean anything. maybe you dislike the way I post or how I play the game. is that a scumread? idk cause 'dislike' isn't an alignment lean.

[Aisa]

I don't really know, Fuyuhiko. You seemingly kept pushing me without ever directly addressing my point as I recall and now you seem to think Gimli is scum, but I've seen scum!Gimli, and he made a lot less sense. He never explained anything. Here he looks like he's trying to rally the town around common causes. Like Kyoko 3p and voting for you.

But then you go and do things like calling out Kyoko for whatever she's doing in the exact same way that I think about the problem, so, rn I have no clue what is going on.

UNVOTE:

[Aisa]

As for Kyoko, whether she needs to be voted out imo depends heavily on which 3p she is, and I haven't decided which one fits her behaviour best yet.

[Gimli]

@herta: have you read my posts about kuzu's progression on Kyoko, from defending her all d1 to openvoting her on d2? and never expanding on that scumread because kyoko started to roleplay being targeted with his ability so he started to push her for it (then dropped it).

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

It would seem Kyoko could be vigged? We can't have her in elo if she is what she says she is and confirming herself doesn't change that.

Oh fuck it.

I'm a pirate and I need to plunder all living alignments in game. if I do I'll leave the game entirely. its a role steal.

I was intending to steal gimli's role town or scum his claim was that its a useless role anyway.

that's why I have to target scum too

and I wont be here in elo to decision make. If I am, I'm more interested to town side then for sure than to scum side cause of nature of my role.

its bad to claim this for town cause I could have absorbed scum role before claiming anything

but if you wanna just threaten me with vigging, at least have all the facts.

(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

It would seem Kyoko could be vigged? We can't have her in elo if she is what she says she is and confirming herself doesn't change that.

don't just shade with no reason, if you're scumreading me say why you're doing so. 'dislike' doesn't mean anything. maybe you dislike the way I post or how I play the game. is that a scumread? idk cause 'dislike' isn't an alignment lean.

I think the implication is Herta finds us both scummy. Which is absolutely fine in my book.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

thats why I said consider me dead for all purposes and focus on scum hunting. eliminating me doesn't change anything for town nor it will for scum

[Gimli]

I think the implication is Herta finds us both scummy. Which is absolutely fine in my book.

I'm asking herta, but thank you for your opinion.

[Kokichi Oma]

Counter wagon good.

At this point I think I'm fine with voting anyone except Marashu, Kitty and Kirigiri possibly

Your teammates?

You're too good at this game.

[Kokichi Oma]

I don't like the Herta wagon, think they're pretty Towny. The sparknotes version is that they don't really seem like they have an agenda to me, like I don't think they're actually trying to push through any elimination and sometimes seem content to just chill in thread, and I think this is town-indicative for them.

They aren't towny at all

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I’m willing to let Kyoko do her thing atp.
Half-considering a self-vote; I think my role became junk the minute I claimed it and I probably do my alignment more favors dead than alive.

[Kokichi Oma]

Maybe throw in Kokichi into the scum bucket for just voting me

Wow, you're also very good at this game. I must be scum for voting you.

[Kokichi Oma]

Using hail again seems to me not a good play.

In the words of TL 'scum mindset'

[Kokichi Oma]

Just reiterating that my guilty is 100% genuine

If you're actually being serious then we should just vote Drew

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Is anyone else interested in Fuyuhiko? That's the slot I most want right now. Could people explain why they actually townread that slot?

My gut tells me town are more likely to say this before they’ve sufficiently explained their read solely because it looks absolutely awful to do this when that’s the case.