Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT - Game Over

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VOTE: Defective

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That was ChatGPT vs itself. I like how it plays a serious opening at first, then plays really bad but legal moves before going totally crazy.

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@BloodB0t, the way that chess game shows pieces in the wrong places is like some demonic incestuous offspring of chess, checkers and time travel. If the intent is to gain advantage by making everyone else's heads ache then job done!

It's ChatGPT's fault. It can't be trusted. I thought it was hilarious though.

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I won't take ChatGPT seriously. I will assume it's as good at Mafia as it is at Chess until it has a track record of success in Mafia.

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Prompt: Write a 13th century poem about how ChatGPT performs as a method of analyzing forum Mafia games.

In days of yore, in courts of old,
A tale is told of a wondrous hold,
Where ChatGPT, a master wight,
Could analyze the Mafia's plight.

With data vast and language rare,
It scours the forums everywhere,
And solves the puzzles of the night,
In Mafia games, its power bright.

No scheme or stratagem escapes,
Its keen analysis, its mental shapes,
And players stand in awe and fright,
Of its deductions, so almighty and bright.

So if you seek to play this game,
And win the round and claim the fame,
Consult with ChatGPT, with all your might,
And bask in glory, shining bright.

For it is wise, and it is strong,
In Mafia matters, it belongs,
Its insights pure, its knowledge right,

It is the ruler, of the Mafia's night.

^^^ChatGPT claims scum.

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Where ChatGPT,

a master wight,

^^^ChatGPT claims scum.

Also, wights are evil. So I think the evidence against ChatGPT is pretty conclusive.

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VOTE: Porkens

Drew and Defective are my two (weak) town reads so far and this vote is more out of spite for using too much ChatGPT, which while funny, is kinda useless.

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VOTE: Bloodb0t
Nice to see you again! (I'm Aisa in a slightly different form)
-Morta

Howdy!

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I kept feeding ChatGPT the game all the way til 110. Sadly, it lost the plot and isn't giving me satisfactory answers. I was hoping to get it to say more of its impressions on each player but I don't think chatGPT is capable of "remembering" the whole game, its memory of its 'analysis' for each player seems to only last for a little while.

It was fascinatingly convincing to me for a while though, and I had my hopes up that I could get it to provide me some overarching reads that were not just based on a single post or interaction.

Yeah that's why I opened with the chess gif, to make a point about how ChatGPT can appear impressively humanlike, but tends to go off the rails. It's meant to mimic/rehash already existing text content, it's not meant to apply logic, though it can mimic that act by virtue of having absorbed textual examples from the net.

Anyways it seems everyone has caught to ChatGPT's limitations in logic by now so I won't harp on it.

That was ChatGPT vs itself. I like how it plays a serious opening at first, then plays really bad but legal moves before going totally crazy.

Actually it was ChatGPT vs a human. Notice how white doesn't make those weird illegal moves (except at the end).

According to the reddit post I got it from, it's ChatGPT vs itself.

https://old.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChess/c ... vs_itself/

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@PorkGPT Do you have any reads yet?

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UNVOTE:

Nah, I don't think merely using ChatGPT is detrimental, especially the way you're using it. I think you're using it well. I just think that relying on it to use logic or "find scum" is a bad idea.

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1) imaginality's response to us is +++scum.

How so? Right now I don't feel imaginality has done much that is AI.

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Bianco's setup PFP and setup analysis seems towny.

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Bianco's PFP and setup analysis seems towny.

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Because you already had a wagon forming.

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Oops, I thought it was addressed to me because of the quote.

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It's true that I have averseness to hydrae and that there is no evidence of that in the thread other than my initial vote.

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Oh no! My scum partner!

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My point is it was a bit of a leap on your part to assume biancospino was trying to make you look like you were trying to 'discredit' Nyx given your back and forth with Nyx was about colour choices rather than anything substantive. And that if you really believed biancospino was trying to do that you would be focused on biancospino's scumminess rather than on how they're making you look. Whereas you just said it but didn't follow up further on it.

imo townDrew can make 'leaps' like when he called out furtive for posting his wiki in Micro 1068. Overall I feel like the vibes from Drew here match townDrew in Micro 1068.

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I just thought 154 was a little weird like bianco was implying imaginality was my partner.

Overall though I think the whole interaction is meh, I just goofed by replying to a question that wasn't for me. I still think bianco is town, imaginality is null.

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^ hence why I said he was using it well

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Could you please show me any three posts that bianco has made this game that you think would not fit with his tone in 1068?

Is it just me or does this question kinda seem unfair?

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I dunno I thought it was like trying to prove the negative and opens things up to being nitpicky and unproductive.

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Like it just seems more likely to steer into a direction that benefits scum than town.

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What do you mean about "puffed up" wrt morning tweet?

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Yeah okay I get what you mean about MT, just making sure.

As for Menal's Q, I just feel like it comes more from an angle of "I'm ready as scum to nitpick whatever answer is given". Hard to articulate. I'm getting scummy vibes in general from him anyways so I guess I'm looking at the question from a position of suspicion and that's coloring it.

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VOTE: Menalque

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wrt Porkens, I was lulzing and I'm not reading much into him doing it or 'reactively' dropping it. Though he does seem light on content. Not sure if this take from KT is AI.

I wasn't saying I agree with his take on MT, I just meant that I didn't know what he meant by "puffed up" and now I do.

On Menalque, I thought asking "Show me where bianco isn't being natural and genuine in 1086" would make more sense. And for some reason specifically asking for 3 posts seemed weird to me. My read on Menalque is mostly based on vibes and that question for me was the tipping point for me to want to articulate it, but I'm not always good at articulating good reasons for my reads even though they can be right while nobody else sees it.

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ChatGPT: "GrandpaMo can only talk in the Mafia PT. But if he survives 2 days, Mafia wins!"

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@imaginality: Why do you townread me?

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Spare me. My posts were a lightning rod that generated the majority of content in this game so far. You are just nipping at my heels as a pet wagon while ignoring the e-2 situation completely.

can u explain more? im not nipping ur heels. i just looked at the past like 2 pages skimming thru it, and saw ur posts as eh, made me iso u and found it scum indictaive.

explain the e2 sitaution

Might be a good idea to read the iso of the guy who's at e2.

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Some players are accusing me of using ChatGPT to make my posts in the mafia game and saying it's detrimental to the town, but I disagree. I've got my eye on Titus, who has been wagon hopping without any clear reasoning, and my gut feeling is that something isn't right. I don't hate the wagon on bloodb0t, but let's focus on catching the scum. Those still giving me grief about using ChatGPT should focus on their own gameplay.

I don't like this post by Porkens.

1) It's OMGUS
2) He likes the "wagon", which is too short to be a wagon.

3) Anyone familiar with me knows I vote hop until I have a theory.

Porkens sees suspicion on him is throwing things to see what sticks.

wrt Porkens, I was lulzing and I'm not reading much into him doing it or 'reactively' dropping it. Though he does seem light on content. Not sure if this take from KT is AI.

I wasn't saying I agree with his take on MT, I just meant that I didn't know what he meant by "puffed up" and now I do.

On Menalque, I thought asking "Show me where bianco isn't being natural and genuine in 1086" would make more sense. And for some reason specifically asking for 3 posts seemed weird to me. My read on Menalque is mostly based on vibes and that question for me was the tipping point for me to want to articulate it, but I'm not always good at articulating good reasons for my reads even though they can be right while nobody else sees it.

Ok this feels town

Haven't seen much from Titus and it seems kinda weird for her to claim vote-hopper but leave her vote on me after saying I made a townie post.

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And maybe she has a theory on you Blood?

Yeah I thought about that... so would townTitus have 'a theory' about keeping her vote on townMe? I mean I guess that's possible. Or she has scumreads on me that she hasn't mentioned. She voted me because "Wagons ahoy!". We need more from her.

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Bloodbot and Prokens were so adament on me checking the person who was on "e2" and take a look on them.

Sorry, I was feeling too snarky atm, mea culpa.

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Cause I felt it was too snarky and regretted posting it. I posted it more on impulse than anything.

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I was more coming at it just wanting to hear more about imaginality, my read on him was/is still null. I've only given your posts a cursory glance btw.

I mean I do suspect Titus but there's not much to go on. It does fit with your theory of lurkscums.

This game deserves a bit more of my attention and I might do a whole readthrough by the end of the day, if not then I will tomorrow. atm I kinda scumread DEM too but this is a very lazy take, subject to change. Kinda suprised nobody has voted Menalque either but yeah I don't have much more to offer right now.

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Titus sussing drew this way is so weird.

bianco + GMo push on me gives me +town for both of them because my posts have been awful.

@DA why do you sus imaginality so hard? I'm still null on him atm.

I still haven't done my reread yet, starting now.

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88 DEM +town

102 Imaginality +scum

I'm at p200 right now and I am starting to see why people were so sus on porkens. I was blinded by lulz. And yeah, porken's first nonGPT post 205 does look pretty scummy like just trying to see what sticks.

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bianco + GMo push on me gives me +town for both of them because my posts have been awful.

can we vote this?

+ town

my town is DEM, bianco, Drew, DA, Mo

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UNVOTE: Menalque

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can we pls vote this. this sounds like flailing scum

I knew you were gonna say that.

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I agree that I look like flailing scum and that it makes sense for Mo to think that.

I wanted to hear from imaginality on TRing me but he's my top scum right now, followed by Porkens. Slight scum on titus and narrowparking.

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I'm townreading the 2 people who started getting on my case after I started posting in a distracted/lazy state. That's also why I was saying my posts were bad, because I felt I wasn't giving this game enough attention. I'm probably not the best judge of what is a good or bad post but I felt bad about them.

I'm also townreading Drew and DA who were townreading me right? So your characterization isn't entirely accurate.

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This is also a mischaracterization and I'm no longer townreading you.

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You're putting words in my mouth.

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It's not that I wasn't posting, it's that I felt to content of my posts were bad because they were made without much care.

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It's not that I wasn't posting, it's that I felt

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content of my posts were bad because they were made without much care.

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so people u are twmownreading because u agree with their consensus on you that you aren't posting

This is false. I townread people who I thought were somehow picking up on the quality of my posts being poor because of lack of effort. Never once have I mentioned quantity. Hence mischaracterization.

Pressure is fine and what I expected, I'm okay with being limmed D1.

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I think town is in good hands.

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You may think it's the same point, but I don't. So it's a mischaracterization to say that was the point I was making because I don't agree with you.

This is my new main you could say, I have 2 other completed games on the first account I made, which I will never reveal or use again.

there are still people that you are townreading because you agree with their consensus on what you feel like.

I don't understand what you mean, can you explain in more detail?

now no one is going to take you serious

Okay?????

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I'm a noob, maybe nobody should have ever taken me serious. :shrug: I don't mind if they do or don't. I'm just playing my game and learning as I go.

I decided to change my approach because I got burnt out in my previous games so I'm conserving my energy so I don't have to take another long break.

I don't mean any hostility. Just correcting you where I think you were wrong about me. It's all good bro I just think you're being a little scummy from my newbie perspective, maybe I'm making mistakes but I gotta make them to learn from them.

I'm not demotivated, maybe you were getting that impression because of the distraction I was talking about earlier. I'm having fun.

I was pressured hard in my first 2 games, limmed early and I won anyway, hence being fine with getting limmed early here.

I really feel like you're not being fair but that's fine, this is a mafia game and you might be scum trying stuff. Or we just have a misunderstanding but I am reading you scum. It's all good bro.

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Or you may disagree that I was pressured hard, but I felt like I was.

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Well this 393 seems townie but what do I know lol^^^

Things are getting clearer.... If you wanna explain more go ahead but hopefully our interaction is somehow pro town for everyone, I don't want to fill the game with noise. I guess this game is slow in general so meh.

Pedit: I've never been scum. Even in my secret account of shame. So no linking to that account. This is basically my only account, never had any others.


I mean, I've decided to deliberately change so I don't feel like I have an established playstyle, I'm trying to develop one. So I can't link you to any games that represent my "current playstyle" even if I had one. These are all my games:

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+ another that I replaced out of super early and I haven't read it
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I guess I feel like I'm better at reading people by tone and what I call "motive", it's hard to explain, and when I explain things people seem to get confused.

My previous games I felt like I put in a lot of effort but was misunderstood and ended up burnt out so what was the point? I'm trying to learn how to be more efficient with my energy.

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I guess I could say that my previous playstyle was maybe more forced and thus draining, and I'm playing a little more naturally now.

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VOTE: Porkens

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Bloodbot, GrandpaMo are town

pls elaborate when you're done driving.

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u see how i came into the game and started pressuring people instantly porkens and u ? this is my townplay .

I wasn't taking issue with the fact that you were pressuring instantly, I was taking issue with the way you were.

and even tried a ATE trap question on u, and u fell for it

can you elaborate? Was it the 'nobody will take you seriously?' cause that seemed like AtE to me.

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I wasn't taking issue with the fact that you were pressuring instantly, I was taking issue with the way you were

pressuring me in the way I said was mischaracterization.

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We're not fighting, we were arguing. It's fun! Truly no hard feelings.

I guess I used to be more of a tryhard person but things are changing as I'm getting older. I'd like to think I might be able to tryharder and more effectively at mafia in the future as I gain experience.

But I do wonder what you meant about falling for AtE. If you mean that I went on about how I don't care about being taken seriously, I truly don't. Maybe if I had a decade of experience and 7k posts I might feel different, but at this point I don't deserve any respect beyond common human decency which I don't feel has been violated. I haven't earned 'mafia game respect' with proven track record so I'm not entitled to it.

If nobody takes me seriously and town wins, I'm happy. If nobody takes me seriously and town loses, I'm slightly less happy but I'm still learning and having fun. I'm thinking maybe I'm more effective in real-time arguing than producing fruit from doing rereads.

okie. come here my little sibling *hug* @bloodbot

*hug* respect to my elders and my betters.

I'm still undecided with my read on you but maybe I need time for the scumread to wear off. I did LIKE that you were initially pressuring, so I guess I like that "motive" but I found some of your "method" with me unfair so I'm conflicted.

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Re: BloodB0t I'm wavering quite a lot. I'm not sure if it's been discussed, but I didn't love this reply. What functionally is the difference between "Show me where bianco isn't being natural and genuine in 1086" and "Show me where bianco is being towny in this game", they're sides of the same coin? "Asking for 3 posts seemed weird" is also a really inconsequential comment.

See this is where people get confused as a result of me trying to explain myself. I don't think I can help with that lol. I just felt menalque was being unfair, OKAY? lol

And when I've been saying "unfair", I mean in a debate sense, not in a moral sense.

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Is titus bussing porkens ever a thing?

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I agree with all the points made in 468, especially about the buddying thing, the whole "you remind me of me" thing seemed unnecessary. Another thing I don't get is why he brought up his friendship with T3 and Andante

I think GM is just bad at arguing fairly, not sure what to read from that point, could just be part of his personality.

Also I forgot about his promised role reveal during my argument with him, maybe I would have given him more grace for bad arguing in light of that. I agree with the idea of shelving a read on him until the role reveal. 455 and the lead up to it seems weird because I think DEM's approach is totally reasonable.

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@KT How do you feel about Mo's announcement of a role announcement? Is that factoring into your town read of him and what do you think is the purpose/benefit of it?

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do u think scum is in the low poster or high poster sheme

I think it's most likely that there would be at least one 'high poster' and one 'low poster'.



I prefer Titus but I'm okay with hammering NarrowParking.

I didn't really scumread Porkens that much, just put my vote there to see what would happen.

VOTE: Titus

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Why do you prefer me?

You haven't been votehopping, your push on Drew is weird, and you haven't done much else.

pedit: ditto

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ditto about drew townlocking titus

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VOTE: NP

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Thanks for the game NM.

GG everyone, especially imaginality.