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Thoughts on skills?
I don't see any kind of obvious partial skill claiming plans, I think any advantage to open claiming a skill is probably not worth reducing Kira NK info, but keen to discuss if anyone feels differently-
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Just Kira who knows which skills aren't in play, right?In post 27, Black wrote: Lorne claiming Nothing. Let's think about this
There are 14 skills possible and 10 are in play. Kira/followers know what 4 skills are not in play
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Assuming I'm right about the rules, strong read from this that Black is not a followerIn post 29, Black wrote: Kira followers fake claiming is actually genius the more I think about it. The followers don't know each other and Kira doesn't know them, but they all know what skills aren't in play. Claiming a skill that isn't in play let's your two buddies know you're with them-
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Does scumBlack typically openly advocate pro-scum strategies?In post 39, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Claiming skills is bad. Unless there is a good reason to know that information.In post 38, Lorne Malvo wrote:
That's a terrible reason to vote someoneIn post 37, Kokichi Oma wrote: I thought you said 'why aren't we claiming skills.'
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I thought kokichi might have been scum for the vote on black for the call for skill claims, but his response to me asking about it felt null-
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Nah, I could see it as Kira who sees what skills aren't in play, assumes that the followers also got the same info, and is just trying to tell followers what to do to identify him.In post 105, Lorne Malvo wrote:
Yeah Watch is obviously town just for that post aloneIn post 79, Vanderscamp wrote:
Assuming I'm right about the rules, strong read from this that Black is not a followerIn post 29, Black wrote: Kira followers fake claiming is actually genius the more I think about it. The followers don't know each other and Kira doesn't know them, but they all know what skills aren't in play. Claiming a skill that isn't in play let's your two buddies know you're with them
Not a high likelihood world, and I didn't look at that post and think "this looks like Kira coaching," but I could see it being a thing.-
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VOTE: KawaiiIn post 110, KawaiiKame wrote:
How do you know only Kira can see the skills in play?In post 107, Black wrote: Lorne... when you wrote 28 did you know that only Kira can see what skills are in play and not the followers?-
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If you didn't think he was town, and you phrased it as ""unvote," you did the same thing as town, I wanted to see if you would do the same thing as you did when you were town and you did," why wouldn't you clarify that that's not a town read?In post 132, Kokichi Oma wrote:
So you admit your reasoning was wrong, but you think that I was trying to buddy both of you. I was going to vote StD until he reminded me I did that in Haunted, you were there that game so you should know I tunneled him all day 1 when we were both town. As for you, I don't townread you, I was just seeing if you'd do the same thing you always do.In post 131, Gimli wrote: more importantly than me being wrong about your behaviour in that game,
You did this when I voted you when we were both town, so I wanted to see if you had the same reaction. Not if I was automatically going to think you were town for it.
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Why is it not important?In post 135, Kokichi Oma wrote: Either way, i think Gimli is just hyper focused on me cause I had him completely fooled last game, or that could be just a facade. Not important right now.
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Gimli.In post 139, Kokichi Oma wrote: Since we were both wrong, let's change the topic.
Let's all play a game. Which person do you think is most likely NOT to be Kira as of right now and why?
But I would vote Gimli over Black if that were somehow the decision because I think Black is about 0% to be a follower.-
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I think if someone becomes obviously not Kira, they become a pretty bad flip even if we think they're very evil.In post 144, Kokichi Oma wrote: I guess the not showing information changes things. But, I still feel like anyone that could potentially help Kira should be eliminated.
But 5 days is a decently long time to kill Kira and if we miskill too many people we risk just being outnumbered, so I think we just try and kill the scummiest people who could reasonably be Kira, over people who are townier but have slightly higher Kira equity.-
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Same!In post 146, Gimli wrote: I think I wanna watch death note again now-
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Thoughts on kokichi?
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I prefer no reveal fwiw, no complaints from meIn post 161, Enchant wrote:I am really sorry. I didn't want to make 30 questions quiz...............................-
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I agree with your point fwiw but do you really think Gimli is arguing this in bad faith?In post 165, Black wrote: I just want to add, regarding hunting followers/Kira:
If we suspect someone is a follower then we kill them. We don't keep them around to try to see if we can figure out who Kira is from them. Each follower can use Shinigami Eyes correct? That means scum can get two real names a night assuming the followers don't accidently target the same guy. The quicker we get rid of the followers then the less real names are revealed to scum.
What's cool about this game is that the followers can't tell each other or Kira what their eyes discovered overnight. They're gonna have to figure out a way to push that information in public without getting caught
Slightly suspicious of Gimli for even semi-suggesting we ignore followers
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I'll respond to your case on me in a couple hours, Black-
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In post 173, Black wrote: Ok...weird thoughts on Vander so far...a lot of these actions are NAI but they still pinged me
Do we like spoilers? Do we not like spoilers? Will people read this if I put it in tags or will people hate me for not tagging it and clogging up the page? I have Mafia anxiety
Spoiler: Vander giving me the creeps
So yeah... a lot of this is just me getting a vibe that Vander is trying to seem like a proactive townie while really not contributing much of his own stuff. When he is providing he's arguing why people can go either alignment. The skills comment is probably the most scummy thing here along with the Kawaii vote
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Firstly, as a phone user, I like the spoilers because it prevents the page from getting too big.
I'll respond to your points without quoting them.
Skills discussion: Yeah, I think it's probably mostly bad to claim them and I do think it's bad, but if someone has good reasons for ways we might want to claim them I'm not so convinced it's always bad that it's a waste of time to talk about. I've been thinking more about this and I think if you're under threat of death it probably can't be that bad to claim, if you can explain why discussing this kind of strategy is actively bad then I agree it's scummy to talk about, but I don't think it is.
Me agreeing with Gimli: I didn't have anything to add, I had the same thoughts.
Me knowing the rules: I read through the rules pretty thoroughly about a day before I got my role.
Me saying Black is not a follower: obviously it's not that easy to make since I was the first one who said it!
I see where you're coming from in that it probably helps Kira, but killing Kira today isn't the only thing that matters and I feel pretty strongly that we shouldn't kill Black today from him saying that.
I also don't think it's NAI because I think I'd be more likely to keep that kind of read to myself as evil.
Asking about scumBlack's meta: this question was really about Kokichi because I thought their vote on Black for that post was pretty weak.
If Kokichi had played with Black before and Black doesn't just essentially openly wolf when it comes to advocating strategies (which is pretty uncommon) I would have just voted Kokichi for it. Fwiw I thought it was very likely I would be following up that question with a vote, but the fact that Kokichi has never played with Black before does make it possible that Kokichi really does think Black is the type of player to openly wolf like that.
More sheeping of Gimli: I thought it was more in depth reasoning than scum usually provides. I'll make it easier for you for these types of posts, though, me giving reads without reasoning attached is not scum indicative.
Kokichi fence riding: see two paragraphs above. I didn't think me giving this logic would be super useful since Kokichi didn't seem town from it, just not scummy as I was expecting.
On the fence about Black being Kira: I'm not sitting on the fence about it, I'm actively disagreeing with Gimli's read.
Voting kawaii: I'm not voting kawaii for not knowing rules, I'm voting kawaii because that post read as very awkward.
I don't think your case on me is scummy fwiw, I can see you believing this.
But I am trying to be proactive, and I feel pretty decently about my reads so far at this stage of the game. I don't agree that I'm not giving much original content, i think basically the only stuff I've said that that applies to is me saying that I agree with Gimli.-
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NahIn post 180, Lorne Malvo wrote: I would be down to kill anyone who talks about mechanics too much-
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I'm pretty sure this was in the setup page?In post 186, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I agree it was a pretty big omission and makes scumhunting less rewarding.In post 157, Lorne Malvo wrote:
Then why are we even playing?In post 153, Gimli wrote:
here, lorne. enchant just decided to make things worse for us.In post 115, Enchant wrote:There's important thing i cut out of rules and just noticed.
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Leaning town on this responseIn post 221, Malakittens wrote:
10/10 would ask u to try again.In post 216, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Malakittens wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023 18:28
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i usually just glide over setup-talk/setup-spec only because its not a strong suit of mine. i try to stay out of it at all costs.
I believe it's just better to stay quiet of all costs bc we dont want scum getting any more information.
This one kinda hates this stance, trying to just coast by silent and passing it off as "it's preventing scum from getting info!" gives me very bad vibes. Progressing my RV on Mala to a genuine vote.
I am the type of player who hates people that openly rolefish or even talk about setups that could give others information. Granted with no flips it does make the game a bit harder for either alignment, but to openly discuss what skills etc someone could have just helps scum imo.
so i rather go scumhunt rather than deal with pages and pages of setup spec
so feel free to vote me i don't really care nor am i scared because you won't gather enough votes to lim me b/c its an empty case
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If a setup can be broken I want to break it, although I don't think it's likely this is one of those setups.In post 224, Black wrote:
You would be ok with this?In post 223, Gimli wrote: unless we wanna go full claiming abilities and do something else to break night actions.-
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My read comes from willingness to solve plus giving what seem to be genuine thought processes.In post 250, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Am I missing something?In post 238, Vanderscamp wrote: I think Gimli is pretty clearly the most town person in the game atm-
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What's WIM?In post 277, Lorne Malvo wrote: I'll be honest that my WIM is a bit lower now + I'm absolutely terrible at scumreading people without any flips so I don't bother trying-
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I agree with your statement, but my bar for too much is probably different.In post 278, Lorne Malvo wrote:
Thanks for your inputIn post 268, Vanderscamp wrote:
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I don't think we should be snap hammering anyone on any of the days, but I'm generally not a fan of waiting until deadline just for the sake of waiting. Like if we stall with the votes and the person we think we're probably going to daykill at deadline responds really well to the votes at the final moment, it's pretty hard to find a good candidate last minute.In post 285, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This one normally wouldn't be super opposed to killing someone scummy right here and now, but due to the nature of the game it believes that maximizing our time to discuss is vital. Anyone pushing to get Kokichi (or anyone, for that matter) to hammer any time short of like, deadline day, is going to be on my radar.-
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If there were no methods of no kills or extra kills I'd be okay with this, but it's possible we daykill every day and our numbers naturally turn odd anyway.In post 287, MegAzumarill wrote: We are on evens, I'm partial to a day 1 no lim here tbh.
Additionally we're on a 5 day timer so it's somewhat possible we don't even make it to a final three before losing if Kira decides to aggressively No kill to widen the pool.-
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If detective is forced to claim, our best option for counterplay is asking them to condemn someone and we see if that person instantly dies, and then we get perfect info on whether to kill them.In post 295, MegAzumarill wrote: The problem is scum that isn't kira is always going to claim detective and our best option for counterplay is going to be limming them anyway, but that means we are risking losing the actual detective.-
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Kawaii, can you explain what the point of this question was?In post 110, KawaiiKame wrote:
How do you know only Kira can see the skills in play?In post 107, Black wrote: Lorne... when you wrote 28 did you know that only Kira can see what skills are in play and not the followers?-
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Can you talk about these reasons?In post 334, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I forgot Kawaii was voting me when I made that post. But I think Kawaii is town for reasons.In post 329, Kokichi Oma wrote:
It's mostly Gimli scared of me fooling him again. HPE I'm a bit suspect on. It seems like HPE initially wanted to seem HPE were null on me, and then slowly try to make it into a scumread but failed. But I could be a bit bias on that read since it's on myself, so I would need someone else to look on that. Azu hasn't really outed a reason but it looks bad. StD quick hammered obvious town last time I was in game with them, so I have no faith in their ability to scumread even if they are town this game. Out of all those I am suspect of HPE's line of questioning since their bases was on gimli and me's interaction and when I proved that wrong, they kinda brushed it to the side and tried to make it based on me voting Azu and tried to paint it as me pushing them for a bad reason when I didn't even give a reason. What do you think of the votes on me?In post 299, Lorne Malvo wrote: I respect that people are pushing a top poster, it's not very common-
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I am extremely down to daykill Kawaii.In post 362, Kokichi Oma wrote: Okay it's independent of me. Then okay. And I don't think we're going to vote out Kawaii today anyway, so no point.
I'm actually just going to look through iso's and stop trying to defend myself cause my back and forth with you is distracting me too much.
I don't like the fact that Kawaii has never responded to me calling out that post I thought was scummy, or asked me about my vote.-
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I do think the way kokichi is playing is probably less likely to come from Kira from the complete disregard of not making waves.In post 369, Save The Dragons wrote:
it's not because of the trash he's spewing it's actually more about your comment about everyone scumreading him. Does kira/follower come in and specifically antagonize people with garbage? is it just kokichi being weird? am i overthinking this?In post 336, Gimli wrote:if koki is scum, that's exactly the type of manipulation tactics I expect him to use and make people feel insecure and lots of other bad things. he has no reason to bring up past games w/ you just to complain about your reads in that game.
he is also doing that w/ me, saying I'm only scumreading him because I'm scared of being fooled. it's simply undermining our leans with things that are not this game. in this game, kokichi is scummy, and doing these things fits with his scum range. I expect town koki to try and talk on the level of where the conversations are instead of doing this.-
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I liked this post too.In post 372, Kokichi Oma wrote: Kitten's posting has been mid, but I liked the reaction to this post. Seems like something I would say, so maybe that's why I like it.
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10/10 would ask u to try again.In post 216, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Malakittens wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023 18:28
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i usually just glide over setup-talk/setup-spec only because its not a strong suit of mine. i try to stay out of it at all costs.
I believe it's just better to stay quiet of all costs bc we dont want scum getting any more information.
This one kinda hates this stance, trying to just coast by silent and passing it off as "it's preventing scum from getting info!" gives me very bad vibes. Progressing my RV on Mala to a genuine vote.
I am the type of player who hates people that openly rolefish or even talk about setups that could give others information. Granted with no flips it does make the game a bit harder for either alignment, but to openly discuss what skills etc someone could have just helps scum imo.
so i rather go scumhunt rather than deal with pages and pages of setup spec
so feel free to vote me i don't really care nor am i scared because you won't gather enough votes to lim me b/c its an empty case
so wake me up when setup spec ends
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I am voting them.In post 381, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
At this point a daykill on Kawaii doesn't feel necessary. Sinking into background is feeling more and more like a scum thing to this one but even if we condemn them in a day or two it honestly doesn't think it would be worth it especially for the detective reveal. And then there's the aspect of when you wait multiple days, the gamestate and what we know and who's scummiest will change. Condemn now = Total gamble, condemn later = We don't even know if we'd want to at that point. Thus if you want Kawaii dead NOW, vote them. Though again this one prefers dragging the game days out for max discussion and analysis.In post 377, Vanderscamp wrote:
I am extremely down to daykill Kawaii.In post 362, Kokichi Oma wrote: Okay it's independent of me. Then okay. And I don't think we're going to vote out Kawaii today anyway, so no point.
I'm actually just going to look through iso's and stop trying to defend myself cause my back and forth with you is distracting me too much.
I don't like the fact that Kawaii has never responded to me calling out that post I thought was scummy, or asked me about my vote.
I also don't understand this defence, this feels very follower to Kawaii Kira esque.
I don't agree that Kawaii is a total gamble either, I think scummy low posting slots are not pure rand to be town/scum.-
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Why?In post 384, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I would be stunned if Kawaii was Kira.In post 380, Lorne Malvo wrote: If Kawaii was Kira, I would not want to be a follower right now
If Kawaii were Kira I would expect followers to post pretty much exactly the kind of thing that HPE just did, so I don't understand you giving this read right after that happened.-
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I'm not voting Kawaii because I'm sheeping their own read on themselves, I'm voting Kawaii because the content they have posted has felt awkward and I don't like how little they've engaged with anyone.In post 385, Black wrote: Do we really think kawaii is Kira because they said they would act a certain way as Kira and then acted that way? That just doesn't seem like something scum would do. To assume Kawaii is Kira we have to assume they would just out themselves D1 for no reason
Also Kokichi brought up a Gimli meta analysis that everyone just overlooked. Gimli is definitely acting more confident in his reads this game and it's not just exclusive to the Kokichi read. All of his reads have felt definitive. Just feels weird-
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By daykill I mean lunch, which I believe is not a word that people are happy being used anymore.In post 386, Black wrote:Wait what??? Did you just say the Detective should out themselves and use their dayvig to kill kawaii?
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I'll retract my scum read on your Kawaii defence then if you hadn't seen this post.In post 387, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Besides the bold part. What is this even saying? Seems like you're talking just to talk. The first post that's not about me is like you're trying to sound like you're saying something without saying anything.In post 381, HighPrincessErinys wrote:In post 377, Vanderscamp wrote:
I am extremely down to daykill Kawaii.In post 362, Kokichi Oma wrote: Okay it's independent of me. Then okay. And I don't think we're going to vote out Kawaii today anyway, so no point.
I'm actually just going to look through iso's and stop trying to defend myself cause my back and forth with you is distracting me too much.
I don't like the fact that Kawaii has never responded to me calling out that post I thought was scummy, or asked me about my vote.At this point a daykill on Kawaii doesn't feel necessary.Sinking into background is feeling more and more like a scum thing to this one but even if we condemn them in a day or two it honestly doesn't think it would be worth it especially for the detective reveal. And then there's the aspect of when you wait multiple days, the gamestate and what we know and who's scummiest will change. Condemn now = Total gamble, condemn later = We don't even know if we'd want to at that point.Thus if you want Kawaii dead NOW, vote them.Though again this one prefers dragging the game days out for max discussion and analysis.-
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Will use that in the future, thanks, the site I mostly play on doesn't tend to have too many daykill abilities so there's not too much confusion.In post 411, MegAzumarill wrote: elimination is the best term to use-
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I'm not sure I buy you intentionally trying to look like Kira.In post 417, KawaiiKame wrote:
That's a completely valid reason to be voting me, I failed to engage with anyone up into this pointIn post 409, Vanderscamp wrote:
I'm not voting Kawaii because I'm sheeping their own read on themselves, I'm voting Kawaii because the content they have posted has felt awkward and I don't like how little they've engaged with anyone.In post 385, Black wrote: Do we really think kawaii is Kira because they said they would act a certain way as Kira and then acted that way? That just doesn't seem like something scum would do. To assume Kawaii is Kira we have to assume they would just out themselves D1 for no reason
Also Kokichi brought up a Gimli meta analysis that everyone just overlooked. Gimli is definitely acting more confident in his reads this game and it's not just exclusive to the Kokichi read. All of his reads have felt definitive. Just feels weird
With the last question you asked, I wanted to know how Black knew the Kira skill mechanic
As to why I'm disengaged with this game, this is intentional, I want people to think I'm Kira to see how Kira/followers react to me, though I was tempted to ask why Black is 0% follower with Gimli being 100% town, I held back to attempt this gambit
It's possible followers exist in Kokichi/HPE, though I'm not finding saying I should not be eliminated to be sufficient evidence, it doesn't make total sense to defend me as followers if their genuine belief is I am town-
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I'm not sheeping Gimli, I just have agreed with basically everything he's said which is why I'm townreading him.In post 429, Black wrote:
That's incorrect. I was already suspicious of you in 165 and 204In post 426, Gimli wrote: I started getting heat by black after I was set with the kawaii flip and whatnot.
Vander has been sheeping you all game and the vote on kawaii is no different. I don't think kawaii is acting scummy. They weren't posting in the newbie game you linked while they were lurking here so to me that suggests they were busy this weekend. The rest of the points against kawaii are weak imoI also think it's funny that koki is saying people are sheeping me when everyone that's scumreading kawaii is doing so independently, clearly. it's just a blatantly scum play so far and defending it from the angle of 'gimli is sus' doesn't feel right.
I'm also pretty sure I voted Kawaii before anyone was scumreading them.-
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Also, if you don't think Kawaii is acting scummy, what do you think of them saying they're intentionally trying to look like Kira?In post 429, Black wrote:
That's incorrect. I was already suspicious of you in 165 and 204In post 426, Gimli wrote: I started getting heat by black after I was set with the kawaii flip and whatnot.
Vander has been sheeping you all game and the vote on kawaii is no different. I don't think kawaii is acting scummy. They weren't posting in the newbie game you linked while they were lurking here so to me that suggests they were busy this weekend. The rest of the points against kawaii are weak imoI also think it's funny that koki is saying people are sheeping me when everyone that's scumreading kawaii is doing so independently, clearly. it's just a blatantly scum play so far and defending it from the angle of 'gimli is sus' doesn't feel right.-
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I strongly believe black is not a follower, I think the initial post about not understanding what followers know was genuine.In post 432, Gimli wrote: if i'm detective or assistant then I still want props from getting the rest of it right:
1. Detective - mala
2. Assistant - STD
3. Taskforce Member - vander
4. Taskforce Member - meg
5. Taskforce Member - gimli
6. Taskforce Member - lorne
7. Taskforce Member - HPE
8. Kira Follower - black
9. Kira Follower - kokichi
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I agree with this btw, Gimli flipping on you for you defending Kawaii is the only thing I really haven't liked from him this game, it feels like a really level 1 read.In post 461, Black wrote: I was one of your strongest TRs. Wild how me saying I don't think kawaii is Kira can completely flip that. Your tunnel is really long with no end in sight
I don't care about the detective speculation post.-
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Why are you convinced Kawaii isn't Kira?In post 464, Black wrote: You think Kira and followers would feel this bold to be the only people on a Gimli wagon? Also it won't stop when you flip Kawaii because we won't know what his alignment is. Once you flip him you will gun for me and Kokichi next. Your tunnel will last until the end of the game and by that point you will have mislimmed enough to win
Like Gimli can be wrong about you with Kawaii being Kira and the game ending.-
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These posts are fine imoIn post 500, Black wrote:In post 56, Lorne Malvo wrote: Kira will play like a normal person, just hang the followers, read their ISO and hang Kira later, it's not that complicated
Wanting to hunt followers and keep Kira around is weirdIn post 172, Lorne Malvo wrote: I want to hang Kira day 5 so we get maximum playing time-
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I agree hahaIn post 577, Lorne Malvo wrote:Honestly I think this kind of reasoning is much more towny than people trying to come up with some bullshit and put some mafia terms in it lol
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I think we should just stay the course on Kawaii, I ultimately just don't really believe that trying to act scummy was a play.
If it were a play I would have expected some kind of deeper analysis of what reactions Kawaii got from it, but that didn't happen.-
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I am town so that half is a good read!In post 622, Kokichi Oma wrote: Is it weird that I disagree with all of Vander's takes but I think he's town just cause of the way he's going about them.-
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Why?In post 627, Kokichi Oma wrote: The game will not end if Kawaii is elim'd, I'm pretty sure.-
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I think there's a pretty decent chance the game doesn't end, Kawaii could still easily be a follower.In post 629, Lorne Malvo wrote: I'm leaning towards "the game won't end when Kawaii flips", but I'll vote them anyway
Based on the resistance to flipping Kawaii I think that's less likely, but still possible.
But I'm more confident on Kawaii being scum than being specifically Kira.-
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Can you explain why?In post 636, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Because I think he's townIn post 634, Vanderscamp wrote:
Why?In post 627, Kokichi Oma wrote: The game will not end if Kawaii is elim'd, I'm pretty sure.-
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Because I don't think HPE's post makes any sense at all, you could basically sub in any name for yours and the post would be exactly the same. The only place HPE talks about you specifically is mentioning that you have been scummy.In post 641, KawaiiKame wrote:
Why does this feel very follower to me = Kira esque?In post 407, Vanderscamp wrote:
I am voting them.In post 381, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
At this point a daykill on Kawaii doesn't feel necessary. Sinking into background is feeling more and more like a scum thing to this one but even if we condemn them in a day or two it honestly doesn't think it would be worth it especially for the detective reveal. And then there's the aspect of when you wait multiple days, the gamestate and what we know and who's scummiest will change. Condemn now = Total gamble, condemn later = We don't even know if we'd want to at that point. Thus if you want Kawaii dead NOW, vote them. Though again this one prefers dragging the game days out for max discussion and analysis.In post 377, Vanderscamp wrote:
I am extremely down to daykill Kawaii.In post 362, Kokichi Oma wrote: Okay it's independent of me. Then okay. And I don't think we're going to vote out Kawaii today anyway, so no point.
I'm actually just going to look through iso's and stop trying to defend myself cause my back and forth with you is distracting me too much.
I don't like the fact that Kawaii has never responded to me calling out that post I thought was scummy, or asked me about my vote.
I also don't understand this defence, this feels very follower to Kawaii Kira esque.-
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Not necessarily, they could either be looking for cred for defending someone who isn't Kira, or a scum who thinks (probably correctly imo) that Kawaii is a follower.In post 649, Gimli wrote: I almost liked those posts though for real
so let's consider when kawaii isn't kira. then hpe/koki/black would probably be townies because who wouldn't take the easy d1 here as kira/follower, right?
we're pointing at STD/lorne/malakittens? if that's the case
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Can you talk about why you don't think it's Mala or lorne?In post 657, Save The Dragons wrote: i don't think that's a good poe, i'm not kira and i don't think it's mala or lorne tbh
i think that post by kawaii just now is potentially trying to buddy it doesn't actually say much of anything new
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