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Post #2386 (isolation #404) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:24 am
Postby Wavelength »
I debated if it was worth fake claiming scum and that I know that your people drop out to try and force him to make the right choice, but decided against it.
pedit: I kind of assume that if you drop people that your death / their release would be simultaneous ?
In post 2402, Wavelength wrote:
If you were a survivor, why did you previously argue that the game would continue even if you had all of the scum inside you?
What was the rational behind saying that the game would not end?
where
I'm on mobile right now, but I can find the posts for you later
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Post #2413 (isolation #412) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:59 am
Postby Wavelength »
Why would "scum inside me count as dead for the town win con" make you more likely to be killed then "actually, scum inside of me have the potential to win and we have to deal with them at some point"
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Post #2420 (isolation #415) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:13 am
Postby Wavelength »
Enchant, just to touch base back on my night actions.
I feel like all of my night actions make more sense if you look at them through the lens of "how can I use this to catch a bad guy."
Instead of thinking of how I could use them to clear either myself or another townie. Because that is how I was using them. And maybe that was bad, but it was how I used it.
I thought that my first cross examination was going to be a guilty on Ircher.
If thought my first court record was going to catch Pinkball lying about his flavor.
I thought my second cross examination could catch pinkball in a lie about his night actions.
Then I thought my last flavor cop and my bunny mask were useless at that point.
I actually think that if I were scum, I would have realized that the bunny mask could be used to try to clear me the first night after we no elimed, and I would have used it then.
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Post #2488 (isolation #433) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:51 am
Postby Wavelength »
Enchant, flea is just scum trying to keep their options open.
I have a hard time believing that flea even read most of yesterday given fear entrance today, and its because they don't need sort between us, and so they did not need to read what we had to say.
And if you remember, the day before I was thought that you were scum and flea was town, and you were also calling me scummy. So if you skip reading last day phase, flea has a reason to believe that by sitting on the sidelines, one of you or I will end up voting the other.
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Post #2490 (isolation #435) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:53 am
Postby Wavelength »
I am pretty sure that if I were actually scum this game, I would have decided to take my chances with Kokichi deciding the vote instead of you, given how little you were willing to budge on me possibly being town even when up against confirmed 3p as the alternative.
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Post #2494 (isolation #436) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:59 am
Postby Wavelength »
In post 2493, Enchant wrote:
Ah yes that bunny mask would confirm you as not killing last night.
How cool you wasted it right?
I had no way to know that it would fail the night before that.
It was only "wasted" because I thought flea was town, so flea was the person I sent it to -- and PinkBall happened to eat flea, when he was threatening to eat me
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Post #2500 (isolation #440) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:05 am
Postby Wavelength »
I did wonder if pinkball was going to argue that there was never a redirector, because the only thing that made it seem like it existed was me getting the bunny mask.
So I was proving to flea that I did actually get it.
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Post #2501 (isolation #441) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:09 am
Postby Wavelength »
I feel like I have been very obviously town all game.
But you just don't like how I used my night actions, but I really don't know how to change your mind about that. I have already explained how I chose my actions each night, whether it was the best choice or not, this is how I made my decisions
In post 2420, Wavelength wrote:
I feel like all of my night actions make more sense if you look at them through the lens of "how can I use this to catch a bad guy."
Instead of thinking of how I could use them to clear either myself or another townie. Because that is how I was using them. And maybe that was bad, but it was how I used it.
I thought that my first cross examination was going to be a guilty on Ircher.
If thought my first court record was going to catch Pinkball lying about his flavor.
I thought my second cross examination could catch pinkball in a lie about his night actions.
Then I thought my last flavor cop and my bunny mask were useless at that point.
I actually think that if I were scum, I would have realized that the bunny mask could be used to try to clear me the first night after we no elimed, and I would have used it then.
Being suboptimal with my night actions does not make me scum, maybe it makes me stupid, but each night, given the information that I had AT THE TIME, I felt like I was making the right decisions
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Post #2503 (isolation #442) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:15 am
Postby Wavelength »
I think that the things that should make it most obvious that I am town are:
-Me pressuring Marashu at the end of day 1, after the hammer happened. Instead of just quietly letting the night phase take over, I instead spent that time pointing out how scummy Marashu was. This carried over into me voting Marashu at the start of day 2 for that before Ali/DRagons outed that they targetted him.
-Me trying SO DAMN HARD to save LLD the day that she was eliminated.
-The night that scum tried to kill Ali, it does not make sense for me to do that. Ali had been town reading me ALL GAME, and if anything, I was ready to come into the next day to argue that she was scum for the way she handled the day before. (and she confirmed she had no more powers, so it was not a PR hunt)
-I also just... don't claim that I am an invest with a pseudo innocent on Ircher the day that I did if I am scum and can claim literally anything that I want.
First ability functionally made me novice (I had to use this ability night 1 psyching myself up for court lol)
2 shot invest to see if someone has killed or tried to kill so far this game.
2 shot flavor cop.
I used my kill invest on Ircher last night. I kind of figured that with his miller claim specifically saying it worked for trackers, then if he was he was setting himself up to be doing the night kill night 1, but my result was that he has not tried to kill. So part of why I am not sure what to do with him anymore.
Like, why in the world would this be my claim post if I am scum?
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Post #2510 (isolation #447) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:29 am
Postby Wavelength »
Thinking through the no kill night.
Enchant
Wavelength
Flea
Pinkball
Pinkball was threatening to eat me. If he ate me, and flea shot pink ball, then I become confirmed town, because a kill happened the same night that I was eaten. (PB eat happens before mafia kills). So maybe fae was trying to avoid that?
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Post #2513 (isolation #450) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:33 am
Postby Wavelength »
Because doubling up on the same target is THE SAME as doing a no kill while pinkball eats someone. So it is either,
get eaten -- and it does not matter if you submit a kill
shoot the same person as pink ball -- and it does not matter if you submit a kill
or shoot the person that pinkball is not eating, and win on the spot.
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Post #2514 (isolation #451) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:40 am
Postby Wavelength »
In post 2503, Wavelength wrote:
I think that the things that should make it most obvious that I am town are:
-Me pressuring Marashu at the end of day 1, after the hammer happened. Instead of just quietly letting the night phase take over, I instead spent that time pointing out how scummy Marashu was. This carried over into me voting Marashu at the start of day 2 for that before Ali/DRagons outed that they targetted him.
-Me trying SO DAMN HARD to save LLD the day that she was eliminated.
-The night that scum tried to kill Ali, it does not make sense for me to do that. Ali had been town reading me ALL GAME, and if anything, I was ready to come into the next day to argue that she was scum for the way she handled the day before. (and she confirmed she had no more powers, so it was not a PR hunt)
-I also just... don't claim that I am an invest with a pseudo innocent on Ircher the day that I did if I am scum and can claim literally anything that I want.
Oh, I also just don't think that I ever claim getting the bunny mask if I stole it from Flea.
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Post #2525 (isolation #452) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:25 am
Postby Wavelength »
I used the zora mask on night 4, when I used my second cross examination shot, so that I would know if I had been redirected. No one targeted me that night.
Im just here twiddling my thumbs waiting for enchant to hammer the game. Ive given the information I have, I cant do anymore. Enchant needs to work it out from here.
Hate to say it but yeah.
If you have anything you are thinking about or want us to weigh in on, ask us.