In post 1871, Wavelength wrote:
SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.
But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.
he didn’t believe for a second that people would come back from pb’s hood.
SAS doesn’t have to play this way if he’s a wolf with PB. If he’s a wolf with pb he decided to immediately hard bus his partner and LLD played a major role in getting most town dead compared to SAS.
And everyone who had a read on SAS was like “ya I believe he has this read.”
Also if this were really the case, wouldn’t the game be over now?
Like why wouldn’t a wolf pb hammer a town LLD here if those 2 are the team?
In post 1333, Wavelength wrote:
Okay, running through the numbers like stephen did, but with there being 6 alive instead of 5
If we are at 3:2:1, and we kill Pink Ball, and then there is a night kill, that would make tomorrow 2:2
We lose...
So yeah. We should have killed pink ball yesterday
In post 1335, Wavelength wrote:
I guess there is the possibility that one of PB's targets were scum since they did not flip, but it seems scary to bet the game on that. So I am gonna work from the assumption that we are 3:2:1 right now.
I think that flea is the person that I am most prepared to treat as 100% town.
In post 1335, Wavelength wrote:
I guess there is the possibility that one of PB's targets were scum since they did not flip, but it seems scary to bet the game on that. So I am gonna work from the assumption that we are 3:2:1 right now.
I think that flea is the person that I am most prepared to treat as 100% town.
That just leaves 1 more town in [Ali, Stephen, LLD]
I really want to believe its Ali, but Stephen+LLD going at one another so much leading into the end game makes me question if they can be teamed
In post 1335, Wavelength wrote:
I guess there is the possibility that one of PB's targets were scum since they did not flip, but it seems scary to bet the game on that. So I am gonna work from the assumption that we are 3:2:1 right now.
I think that flea is the person that I am most prepared to treat as 100% town.
That just leaves 1 more town in [Ali, Stephen, LLD]
I really want to believe its Ali, but Stephen+LLD going at one another so much leading into the end game makes me question if they can be teamed
Maybe the game actually makes more sense if one of Kokichi / Penguin was scum?
Because Ali being town, and then it being *one of* Stephen/LLD makes a lot more sense to me with how I have been reading this game.
PB is acting like I am suddenly having these thoughts because I am trying to save LLD, but these were my thoughts walking into the day.
In post 1871, Wavelength wrote:
SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.
But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.
he didn’t believe for a second that people would come back from pb’s hood.
SAS doesn’t have to play this way if he’s a wolf with PB. If he’s a wolf with pb he decided to immediately hard bus his partner and LLD played a major role in getting most town dead compared to SAS.
And everyone who had a read on SAS was like “ya I believe he has this read.”
Also if this were really the case, wouldn’t the game be over now?
Like why wouldn’t a wolf pb hammer a town LLD here if those 2 are the team?
I am going to stop using abbreviations, because you are not understanding me.
I do not think that the team is Stephen + PinkBall.
I think that it is possible that it is 3rd party pinkball and then group scum Stephen + maybe Penguin Power.
Pink Ball cannot lol!hammer in that world. He is outed.
In post 1865, Alisae wrote:
What world are we dealing with if LLD is town?
A SAS and PB wolfteam?
Yes.
I was leaning SAS>LLD before your case.
I misread when I said Yes.
I was saying yes to SAS+Penguin Power, not PB
PP has no reason to confirm the existence of the PT. If he’s a wolf with Sas he leaves it ambiguous.
Attempting to get confirmation of the PT is LLD’s play, not PPs.
Heck honestly, we don’t even have proof that PP was the one who verified the PT existed, we can only go off of word of mouth of 2 players here
In post 1871, Wavelength wrote:
SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.
But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.
he didn’t believe for a second that people would come back from pb’s hood.
SAS doesn’t have to play this way if he’s a wolf with PB. If he’s a wolf with pb he decided to immediately hard bus his partner and LLD played a major role in getting most town dead compared to SAS.
And everyone who had a read on SAS was like “ya I believe he has this read.”
Also if this were really the case, wouldn’t the game be over now?
Like why wouldn’t a wolf pb hammer a town LLD here if those 2 are the team?
I am going to stop using abbreviations, because you are not understanding me.
I do not think that the team is Stephen + PinkBall.
I think that it is possible that it is 3rd party pinkball and then group scum Stephen + maybe Penguin Power.
Pink Ball cannot lol!hammer in that world. He is outed.
He’s not a third party.
PP is just town here, this is his village gameplay. It’s easier for PP to engage in thread when he can just say what he wants.
In post 1885, Wavelength wrote:
Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.
Like in all worlds you have presented, it wins on the exact same DAY PHASE. We do not even delay the win.
If it is LLD+PB, then we win tomorrow with an LLD kill. If it is me+LLD, then your plan was already kill LLD->PB->Me. So switching to PB->LLD-ME wins in exactly the same amount of time for both teams you have said are possible.
But if you are WRONG, and I am RIGHT, you are throwing this game for no reason other then you deciding that we are doing it in your order just because.
I disagree, and you are not willing to budge to cover my concern? Even though from your POV, it should be exactly the same?
from your POV there should be NO BENEFIT to doing it in your order, and even if you think that it is fruitless, you could do it just to make me feel better, instead of stripping me of all agency this day phase.
In post 1885, Wavelength wrote:
Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.
And you refusing to consider my path WHEN IT WINS IF YOU ARE RIGHT TOO.
Is incredibly frustrating.
Like, you unilaterally have decided what we are doing today, and are not treating this like the team game it is supposed to be.
Ur path is better, I’m not the person who you should be convincing here unless you really just want me to unvote.
You’re frustrated but I don’t entirely get how you think it could still be something like Sas + pp where I feel like I’ve explained where I’m coming from from d1 to now.
You know what Wave? VOTE: LLD
There, you got it. I said I was going to wait for you to say your thing, but 'your thing' is bullshit, Ali thinks it's bullshit too so clearly thinking it's bullshit is not scumdriven, it's just you being scum needing to get rid of a potential 3p that has no sense of being a 3p from a town perspective, you're just scared of me.
In post 1885, Wavelength wrote:
Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.
And you refusing to consider my path WHEN IT WINS IF YOU ARE RIGHT TOO.
Is incredibly frustrating.
Like, you unilaterally have decided what we are doing today, and are not treating this like the team game it is supposed to be.
Ur path is better, I’m not the person who you should be convincing here unless you really just want me to unvote.
You’re frustrated but I don’t entirely get how you think it could still be something like Sas + pp where I feel like I’ve explained where I’m coming from from d1 to now.
I don't think that your explenation for PB's play / role makes more sense then him being third party, and you are literally world building from a starting point that I dont agree with.
If I am right, and PB is 3rd party, you don't think that suddenly your solve path would be different?
That is what the PB flip gets us. The chance to start from the same place when trying to sort between LLD and SAS