mini theme 2315 - love child (game over)

[furtiveglance]

Hello

I'll start reading, in the meantime any TLDRs are welcome

[furtiveglance]

Okay I guess I do need to elaborate just in case anyone here doesn't know you two:

I think Drew is scumreading something meta related about you which is actually sus, and I think it's much more likely that town!drew will notice it over scum!drew.

Additionally you two being you two, I think scum!drew would pocket you instead of suspecting you.

I guess you COULD be SvS, I didn't think about that option, but I don't think it's extremely likely.

Pedit could you link to that incident?

Interested in the bolded.

[furtiveglance]

So hello everyone, is it too late for an RVS vote?

VOTE: Alianna Alphabetical after me...

Wow eight pages already..... meh

And so much colour, is that going to be

a

thing

in

this

game?

anyway, so seems many of you know each other and have game time, well I don't. brief game with Andante, Titus and Hu Tao, before being lim'd D1 but that's about it. In fact I think Titus joined the game after I was lim'd.

So.. what next?

oh yes my TZ is GMT +4, so probably will not be chatting live to many of you....

annnnd can I get one of those D1 passes too?


UNVOTE:

Is this post towny...I'm saddened to disagree.
I'm gonna pull on this loose thread.

VOTE: Afrayed Knott

[furtiveglance]

Gamma vaguely looks town? I can see Broccoli town, at the very least I don't think they're scummy enough for me to be interested in a wagon there

VOTE: Titus
Don't think she has any interest in solving the game tbh

I don't see anything towny from GE prior to this post.

[furtiveglance]

Gamma vaguely looks town? I can see Broccoli town, at the very least I don't think they're scummy enough for me to be interested in a wagon there

VOTE: Titus
Don't think she has any interest in solving the game tbh

VOTE: Titus

lol glad im not the only one thinking this

I'm familiar with scum!Titus and she's usually tonally stiffer than this game.

[furtiveglance]

*honks in confusion because she doesn't feel a strong differentiation between Ircher's meta dependent on his alignment and his terse play style tends to be read as scummy in general*

Agree with this, Ircher has always seemed scummy to me regardless of alignment. Not really sure what the right approach is.

[furtiveglance]

maybe it's a little extra to have two vote counts on one page, but i'm going for it

nah it's great

I'm here

thoughts?

Still think Titus is scummy

I kind of think we need a flip at this point? Under the impression that night actions will be meaningful

This seems quite early in the day page-wise, +scum for me.

[furtiveglance]

Interested in the bolded.

I'm gonna answer that inside this spoiler tag:

Spoiler:

So, when Alianna plays town (aka every game except this one and the one where she was Nautical Dawn and the one other one where she was a hydra and maybe one other one), she has a very, very distinct trollish lighthearted playstyle that most people tend to heavily townread.

The fact that she noted she had a scumread, and the WAY she noted it, felt just slightly off for her - not SUPER off, but just slightly.

Now I don't know if you know, but Drew and Alianna are like besties or something (they constantly hydra together, recruit each other to games, etc.). So I feel it makes perfect sense for scum!drew to pocket town!Alianna rather than scumread her (Alianna even linked a game where that's exactly what happened, though I did not read that game prior to assuming that's how Drew would react). And I don't expect scum!Drew to even be thinking in terms of shading town!Alianna because at that point there was zero suspicion on her and there's no reason to try and shade her from a scum!drew viewpoint, so he probably won't be even looking at her play and noticing things like that remark by her that was slightly off.

Now nothing I said precludes a world where Drew and your slot are both scum, but I didn't even think of that possibility when I made that read. And right now I feel it's pretty unlikely. If you do flip scum I might reconsider this possibility later.

However, the reason I spoilered it is because I feel it's a bit irrelevant. A lot has happened since then. Why is it important to you to get this specific read explained?







Also, did you read the TLDR?

Pedit: writing this took me a while, glad to see scum!furt being voted.

VOTE: Furt

I asked about it because it was the most interesting post so far at that point, because I thought if you had a meta based read on the both of them it would be +town for you.

I read the TLDR, but also wanted to read the game myself.

[furtiveglance]

Pre Edit: Meuh making that post makes me think town may be on the wrong path, and they want to end the day before we get on the right path

You think it might be scum-indicative then?

Long of of saying yes from me lol

Drew seems town for this, maybe HPE less so

[furtiveglance]

I can see the scum me angle

but Andante is one of the only people solving here and said solving looks townie to me

I feel like scum usually say this more than town because they think it looks noble

[furtiveglance]

Scum me walks into a dead game and goes "here's where my head is at!" ?? I have a hard time believing you think im not town lol

This certainly isn't fair on Drew and I don't think Andante's been super town either.

[furtiveglance]

I'll start reading, in the meantime any TLDRs are welcome

TLDR:

Andante is obvtown
people (specifically Gamma and HPE and maybe Theta but not sure about her) wanted to speedlim me on like page 5 for no reason other than Alianna misinterpreting a post I made.
Ircher was wagoned to E-1 and then gave the most lukewarm post ever and disappeared and people don't know what to make of it
Titus is being wagoned for various reasons (mine is bad shading of me and Aureal, who's also town this game btw)

Also, your slot is mod confirmed to be scum

Having finished reading up, some of this was misleading.
Andante is neither conftown nor obvtown. I do agree on some things, notably scumreading Afrayed, but Andante has also voted/shaded a lot of players this game.
The wagon on you was based on more than just that one post for certain voters.

And if my slot is mod-confirmed scum, we found the mod lie!

[furtiveglance]

I read the TLDR, but also wanted to read the game myself.

Okay so this makes me slightly more confident you are scum here

Town!you would NEVER pass up an opportunity to fake being outed as scum, at least in my experience.

I have different phases, like the moon or Taylor Swift's eras.

[furtiveglance]

Setup: I'll probably just go on reads as usual rather than get too caught up in trying to outguess the mod/fall into setup spec pitfalls that are probably expected.

Broccoli Quest 2 - town.
HighPrincessErinys - town, agreed with a lot of posts here.
Doctor Drew - town by meta and direction of travel (i.e. agrees with my takes)
Hu Tao - town. Liked both streams of posts so far
Theta Alpine - town. A level of depth to posting about reads that I didn't see from scum!Rautherdir in Conception (hope talking about alt metas is ok)

Ircher - unsure. Scum by posts (as ever?) but town by VCA?
Andante - unsure. Not a priority vote at the moment but I am wary of what I saw as a scattergun approach to votes/scumreads.
Gamma Emerald - unsure. Wallflower act is meta typical but harder to read, hopefully GE gets into a more direct discussion at some point soon.
Titus - unsure. Tonally different from scumgame but voting is a little strange.
Aureal - unsure. Tonally seems town and just like past towngames but not packing enough of a punch to be a TR just yet.

Meuh - scum based on posting and voting. I don't get the TRs here at all.
Afrayed Knott - scum. Vote priority urgent.

[furtiveglance]

*honks in confusion because she doesn't feel a strong differentiation between Ircher's meta dependent on his alignment and his terse play style tends to be read as scummy in general*

Agree with this, Ircher has always seemed scummy to me regardless of alignment. Not really sure what the right approach is.

So is Ircher literally like this every game?

In my experience, yes. Having said that, he was scum in Datisi's Cafe and Aisa's Forest Fire game (titled something about Trees Screaming I think)

I can't remember Ircher towngames I've been in but definitely at least spectated and it's fairly similar to scumgame.

[furtiveglance]

Why are people voting Furt?

Mix of Alianna and furt

This might hurt my credibility but I think it's funny so hey ho


I read 172 and was about to quote it and say this is scummy before I realised I was Alianna's slot.

[furtiveglance]

Gamma vaguely looks town? I can see Broccoli town, at the very least I don't think they're scummy enough for me to be interested in a wagon there

VOTE: Titus
Don't think she has any interest in solving the game tbh

I don't see anything towny from GE prior to this post.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Theta Alpine
found scum already

Aureal gets a D1 pass

I’m down to speedwagon on Broccoli

I no longer am interested in voting Broccoli

The laid back tone here feels both genuine and town indicative

Yeah maybe

[furtiveglance]

I can see the scum me angle

but Andante is one of the only people solving here and said solving looks townie to me

I feel like scum usually say this more than town because they think it looks noble

True but I'm still town

I've seen Andante post like that as scum before. The game with Firebringer also scum and it was a scum sweep

Also, what in your eyes made you seem like scum to yourself?

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: Green quote

Why are people voting Furt?

Same reason you voted Alianna, and it hasn't really gotten better since then.

I read 172 and was about to quote it and say this is scummy before I realised I was Alianna's slot.

I... do appreciate the fact it's funny. In fact it made me chuckle out loud.


Fineeee I won't scumread you for that! But I will keep scumreading you for other things!


For instance, Mr. Sailor

Moon

Swift, can you explain how this is not just a blatant attempt to get TR'd?

Broccoli Quest 2 - town.
HighPrincessErinys - town, agreed with a lot of posts here.
Doctor Drew - town by meta and direction of travel (i.e. agrees with my takes)
Hu Tao - town. Liked both streams of posts so far
Theta Alpine - town. A level of depth to posting about reads that I didn't see from scum!Rautherdir in Conception (hope talking about alt metas is ok)


Ircher - unsure. Scum by posts (as ever?) but town by VCA?
Andante - unsure. Not a priority vote at the moment but I am wary of what I saw as a scattergun approach to votes/scumreads.
Gamma Emerald - unsure. Wallflower act is meta typical but harder to read, hopefully GE gets into a more direct discussion at some point soon.
Titus - unsure. Tonally different from scumgame but voting is a little strange.
Aureal - unsure. Tonally seems town and just like past towngames but not packing enough of a punch to be a TR just yet.


Meuh - scum based on posting and voting. I don't get the TRs here at all.
Afrayed Knott - scum. Vote priority urgent.

I feel this has barely any effort put into it (and I feel mean saying that if you did put effort into it, sorry). Like anyone could come up with me/HT/DD being town and the rest of the reads feel surface level-ey if not outright fake:
Which posts of HPE do you agree with? I don't feel it voiced much opinions this game (it mainly said that it was unsure about a bunch of things iirc)
And are you seriously putting Knott as your top scumread based on his whack entrance?
How is Ircher town by VCA and scum by posts?

You need to pick a line of attack here. Is it busy work to get townread or is it low effort lazy scumplay? It's neither, because the point of it is to show what my reads are in the hope I'll be judged on them and on subsequent flips. I didn't feel the need to quote every post to justify a read, nor was the idea to put in really deep thoughts to display my own alignment.

I don't think my reads were completely consensus either.

Main thing I like from HPE is the Afrayed scumread.

Ircher is town by VCA because he was E-1 early on D1, and scum by posts because his posts are scummy. Also scummy for lack of posts after E-1.

Putting Afrayed Knott last because I feel confident in this read and I want to underline it to get more votes on him.
179 isn't just wack, it's really scummy. The 'random' vote is ostentatiously explained, comments about pages and colour are robotically dry, mention of being mislimmed D1 in a previous game is subtle ATE, ends with a plea for a D1 pass just unashamed survivalism.

Subsequent posts are nearly all jokes of some kind, the voting and unvoting of Ircher with no explanation is also best explained by a Scum/Town dynamic there.

[furtiveglance]

hmm

not sure i can voice my meuh town read beyond vibe

as to rautherdirs meta uh
i am not entirely sure my meta can be comparable to rauths but i am not gonna get mad about if you do

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Titus

I still feel Titus is scum. She had not done anything by the point I voted her other than go over things that had already been hashed out. She has since OMGUSed me, which I get but it doesn't do her any favors in my read, and then offered one small read, so I'm fine leaving my vote there.

I moved away from Broccoli because I thought Broccoli's more recent posts were better. I didn't really like their mason stuff at the beginning of the game; it felt like the kind of thing scum does to joke around and look town which is why I voted there in the first place, but Broccoli has shown earnest attempt to solve the game since.

I feel like this kind of comes out of nowhere from Ircher. Yes there was a preceding vote, but it wasn't explained, so I assume the logic was just deferring to the post quoted below (which came directly before):

Gamma vaguely looks town? I can see Broccoli town, at the very least I don't think they're scummy enough for me to be interested in a wagon there

VOTE: Titus
Don't think she has any interest in solving the game tbh

I'm wondering whether Ircher was just told by

someone

while at E-1 "hey can you start hard pushing Titus?". Just a theory, but I'd like to maybe get some comment from Ircher on this - was your initial vote's logic the same as given by Meuh (not solving)? Was there more at the time?

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Ircher

Going to OMGUS a vote for some VCA too.

Was this the offending post?

[furtiveglance]

Town

Broccoli
Andante

Null

Everyone not listed.

Scum

Titus

vrej

Btw I feel decent about furrtive rn

Let's form a town blocc with you, me, Furt, and Titus

Check the records Drew, that's 2 of my 'unsures'

I'll townbloc with whoever votes AK tho

[furtiveglance]

vrej

what does this mean ?

b r u h

[furtiveglance]

*honks in confusion because she doesn't feel a strong differentiation between Ircher's meta dependent on his alignment and his terse play style tends to be read as scummy in general*

This post right here initially pinged me. It's an awkward defense of Ircher. Aureal says "Ircher's play is scummy" which is a null read but simultaneously handwaives every argument for reading Ircher at all.

He's scummy, well you can't call him scum because that's his play.
He's scummy so you can't call him town because his play cannot be townie.

*unconvinced honks at explanation that doesn't match the TMI feel of 296 where it looks like trying to paint her as partners with Ircher*

whoever interprets these honks is really doing a lot of heavy lifting

[furtiveglance]

especially with the beetlejuice

what is that?... serious question

It's reacting to your own name being mentioned, especially soon afterwards. Comes from a character who appears when you say his name I think.

'm wondering whether Ircher was just told by someone while at E-1 "hey can you start hard pushing Titus?". Just a theory, but I'd like to maybe get some comment from Ircher on this - was your initial vote's logic the same as given by Meuh (not solving)? Was there more at the time?

how hard a theory, or just a fancy?

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

[furtiveglance]

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

nice, did your pals tell you that just now?

Yeah they said "hey furt your slot is doomed sorry. Can you start pushing Afrayed? I think there's thread appetite there. Also, pushing Meuh would be great. Risk of her becoming TRed so it would be good to prevent that. As for your own slot, scumreading your predecessor always goes down well."

[furtiveglance]

that should be Post not Vote

@mod any chance of a fix please

sorry you're voting for 583 now, no takebacks

[furtiveglance]

votecount 1.15

with thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to be the first one to die. how embarassing! day one ends in (expired on 2023-11-01 17:45:00).

Why do I feel so called out by this

[furtiveglance]

This D1 feels doomed to be a mislim right now, not enough people want to vote my scumreads.

[furtiveglance]

One thing for me on Titus is that her being scum kind of clears Meuh and Ircher (based on traditional ways of reading), who are 2 other players in the POE for me.

[furtiveglance]

Was thinking yesterday that there's scum in Alianna/Hu Tao like 92% of the time when just looking at the PL, found Hu Tao's ISO yawn inducing and now Alianna's gotten replaced and I kinda wanna let Furtive settle in before starting anything (though I find Alianna's ISO bad tbh)

But Hu hasn't been in the game, so where did the read come from?

"Just looking at the PL" was literal, I went to page 1 of the game and looked at the PL. As a general amalgam of Hu Tao/Alianna's treatment by others, POE and how I felt about their posting, it just made sense for scum to exist there. Pretty sure Alianna hadn't posted in a while when I made this post or when I checked the PL and that idea came to mind, so why single out Hu Tao here?

I've liked Hu Tao's posts when I've read them though

[furtiveglance]

This is kinda where my head is at, like I don't have any STRONG scum reads right now, have some stronger TRs, but essentially everyone here fits into one of 4 categories, I believe is town, town leans that I'm doubting, true null, scum leans

HighPrincessErinys - I'm pretty certain its town
Meuh - my gut says town
Broccoli Quest 2 - I would believe they're town
Afrayed Knott - probably town, or at the very least im not messing with him d1
~~

furtiveglance Alianna - I thought alianna was town, furtive isn't helping me keep that thought, so I'm willing to just downgrade that slot to a null for now. **
Theta Alpine - Not gonna lie, with how jumpy Theta was being, I was kinda thinking town, but then Theta disappeared when the game got quiet, and I don't love that look **
~~

Gamma Emerald - I have no read here, haven't seen a serious post from gamma at all/nothing that stood out to me, I could've missed it but yeah.
Ircher - No read, null for me
Aureal - I have zero read here
~~~
Hu Tao - I know I always sr hu tao, and they're always town, but this game I have 0 read there, but keeping in mind the fact I always sr hu tao, I also haven't really been trying to sort them, so null for now, but the fact I have no read when I think I've always SRed hu tao... possibly scum tbh, I cna look later, but for now null.
Doctor Drew - I actually liked my reasoning for scum!drew yesterday, my gut read is that drew is scum here
Titus - yall seem convinced titus is town, I'm definitely not, and I still scum lean her

You think Drew calling Titus town is S/S? I don't.

[furtiveglance]

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

Wait huh? That doesn't seem like what happened? Wasn't I voting Titus with Ircher for a while there? I don't feel like there was ever a massive push, just people looking at her posting and thinking "huh, this is scummy", which I think is fair cause well, her posting's scummy

I didn't mean massive push as in wagon, I meant Ircher's post which hard pushes Titus.

[furtiveglance]

This is kinda where my head is at, like I don't have any STRONG scum reads right now, have some stronger TRs, but essentially everyone here fits into one of 4 categories, I believe is town, town leans that I'm doubting, true null, scum leans

HighPrincessErinys - I'm pretty certain its town
Meuh - my gut says town
Broccoli Quest 2 - I would believe they're town
Afrayed Knott - probably town, or at the very least im not messing with him d1
~~

furtiveglance Alianna - I thought alianna was town, furtive isn't helping me keep that thought, so I'm willing to just downgrade that slot to a null for now. **
Theta Alpine - Not gonna lie, with how jumpy Theta was being, I was kinda thinking town, but then Theta disappeared when the game got quiet, and I don't love that look **
~~

Gamma Emerald - I have no read here, haven't seen a serious post from gamma at all/nothing that stood out to me, I could've missed it but yeah.
Ircher - No read, null for me
Aureal - I have zero read here
~~~
Hu Tao - I know I always sr hu tao, and they're always town, but this game I have 0 read there, but keeping in mind the fact I always sr hu tao, I also haven't really been trying to sort them, so null for now, but the fact I have no read when I think I've always SRed hu tao... possibly scum tbh, I cna look later, but for now null.
Doctor Drew - I actually liked my reasoning for scum!drew yesterday, my gut read is that drew is scum here
Titus - yall seem convinced titus is town, I'm definitely not, and I still scum lean her

You think Drew calling Titus town is S/S? I don't.

I'm just saying, those are my current scum leans.. obviously town will be scummy, I'm not going "THE SCUM TEAM IS HU TAO/DREW/TITUS" like, I don't believe that to be true, and you know that from my post if you actually read it instead of just "lol that's your scum team??"
VOTE: furtive

Lol your scum team has me in it??

[furtiveglance]

you have no thoughts on my reads for anyone else?

I don't really seem the point in arguing since you seem like a really stubborn player/in a stubborn mood this game maybe. Unvoting AK is frustrating obviously.

I'll probably just wait for your reads orbit to come back round to where I want, as it seems like you change them every five seconds.

[furtiveglance]

See the point not seem the point^

[furtiveglance]

you have no thoughts on my reads for anyone else?

I don't really seem the point in arguing since you seem like a really stubborn player/in a stubborn mood this game maybe. Unvoting AK is frustrating obviously.

I'll probably just wait for your reads orbit to come back round to where I want, as it seems like you change them every five seconds.

well my vote isn't going back there for the reason I just explained

yoooo afrayed... I think is scum

Nah like I said, don't make the same mistake twice. Unless you know you are, then stop. Do you know?

This is ominous.

like, it half pisses me off afrayed keeps saying it, cause last game he self voted then decided to try hard, while on e-1, I decided to hammer him, then he flipped town, and this game he keeps repeating "don't make the same mistake" like sorry not sorry? I'm hammering the guy who put himself on e-1 then decided to really try...

repeating "don't make the same mistake" annoys the crap out of me here, but whatever, I'm willing to believe he can be town who genuinely thinks it was my fault he went over... I don't feel like that's a card scum would keep playing here (this is the 2nd mention of it that I've seen)

Is this the reason? If so it boils down to 'scum would not do this scummy tactic twice...would they???'

[furtiveglance]

votecount 1.16

furtiveglance (3) - Meuh, Broccoli Quest 2, Andante
Afrayed Knott (2): HighPrincessErinys, furtiveglance
Ircher (2) - Hu Tao, Gamma Emerald
Titus (2) - Ircher, Aureal
Meuh (1) - Doctor Drew
Aureal (1) - Titus
Gamma Emerald (1) - Afrayed Knott

not voting

(1) - Theta Alpine

with thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to be the first one to die. how embarassing! day one ends in (expired on 2023-11-01 17:45:00).

Just got here and I'm top of the tree after I joined on 0 votes. Someone nominate me for Shite Knight, worst replacement award.

[furtiveglance]

Day 1 is the only day that we're completely in the dark flips-wise, and I'm feeling that right now.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Drew

*honks in alarm, shoves a lookalike Drew statue into place to absorb the vote*

Hi Aureal!

What's your read on me so far?

[furtiveglance]

I'm depressed IRL. It will likely impact my play.

sorry to hear that.

[furtiveglance]

Oh also I don't feel ircher and alianna are partnered based on their interactions so far (which i reread), little as they might be

*honks at having had this thought first but warily circles both parties*

Hmphhh

No matter how hard you may try to convince me, I just can't see Aureal ever being scum this game. Her thought process just aligns with mine way too much.

This might be the first game ever where I just townread Aureal start to finish without starting to scumread her at a critical point so that she gets mislimmed




Also, I don't think I'm ever voting outside of Titus/Ircher/Furtive today, honestly. I will try to figure out whether they are aligned or not after one of them flips scum.

Looking at the VC, I think we need to consolidate wagons. I have a person I'm strongly TRing and a person I'm mildly TRing on each of these wagons (except Titus wagon with a person I SR instead of a mild TR). Are an of you down to consolidation? Where do you want to consolidate?

Have we played a lot together?

[furtiveglance]

Have we played a lot together?

I believe we have

Why am I Sailor Moon?

[furtiveglance]

not liking you right now.

As in, do you think Furtive is scum? Or do you just don't like him as a player?

I always presume the former, otherwise it's just a bit mean

[furtiveglance]

Also do not like Andante unvoting because of some ominous reference to a prior game when AK is just getting increasingly weirder and scummier.

"I liked my own reasoning on them" is a bit odd here don't you think?

scumread DENIED

It's towny to say that.

Don't put reads into my mouth.

Whatever you think of Andante, the reason for unvoting AK of 'he ATE'd TWICE, not just ONCE' is undeniably confusing.

[furtiveglance]

Also

do not like Andante unvoting

because of some ominous reference to a prior game when AK is just getting increasingly weirder and scummier.

I took this as a read of Andante south of null, but I can see if you just meant you don't agree with the action.

[furtiveglance]

Have we played a lot together?

I believe we have

I'm guessing I'm not getting any more than that then.

[furtiveglance]

I am leaning towards voting Afrayed if I get the answer I expect wrt what a flock posting is

That looked like a jokey remark to me as if he was expecting someone else to make a post sheeping the current thread flow maybe?

It didn't seem to be him announcing a further post from him, because he posted afterwards and I don't get how the subsequent post is a 'flock post' if I understand that to just be a post that sheeps (something).

[furtiveglance]

I think titus is scum, idk if it's for similar reasons to others, interesting to see people moving there though

I really need to understand this. Is this because you know their gameplay, or are you just following the flock?

This seems to imply that flock is used in a similar way to how we use 'sheep'.

Sorry if you don't want me to talk about this before he answers btw, I just legit have nothing better to do.

[furtiveglance]

Eh maybe you’re right
I think I wanna wait for the answer now

I wish you could react to posts, that would be a great feature

[furtiveglance]

votecount 1.18

Afrayed Knott (4) - HighPrincessErinys, furtiveglance, Broccoli Quest 2, Theta Alpine
Titus (2) - Ircher, Aureal
furtiveglance (2) - Meuh, Andante
Ircher (2) - Hu Tao, Gamma Emerald
Meuh (1) - Doctor Drew
Aureal (1) - Titus
Gamma Emerald (1) - Afrayed Knott

not voting

(0) - n/a

with thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to be the first one to die. how embarassing! day one ends in (expired on 2023-11-01 17:45:00).

Me and 3 of my townreads on the top wagon.

Does life get any better?

[furtiveglance]

Video unavailable

[furtiveglance]

Furt, sell me on Afrayed.

Most of what I have read about them is 'their posts as weird'

yup super weird but not towny weird more like sinister weird

click the ISO button on this post for more anti-Afrayed Knott propaganda

[furtiveglance]

I have a few questions for you btw and an observation or two. So tomorrow if you let me I will ask them. And maybe you can actually answer them and not be a flippant as you have already to my questions

questions waiting room

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE:

because I don't want this hammered and also I want to gather my thoughts and reassess Titus and Ircher.

I feel like these slots will be easier to sort with flips. Definitely both decent candidates for scum

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: AK quote

So hello everyone, is it too late for an RVS vote?

VOTE: Alianna Alphabetical after me...

Wow eight pages already..... meh

And so much colour, is that going to be

a

thing

in

this

game?

anyway, so seems many of you know each other and have game time, well I don't. brief game with Andante, Titus and Hu Tao, before being lim'd D1 but that's about it. In fact I think Titus joined the game after I was lim'd.

So.. what next?

oh yes my TZ is GMT +4, so probably will not be chatting live to many of you....

annnnd can I get one of those D1 passes too?


UNVOTE:

Is this post towny...I'm saddened to disagree.
I'm gonna pull on this loose thread.

VOTE: Afrayed Knott

Let’s look at this. I could ask a few others this question, but as it forms the basis of your pushed to lim me, how about you let me know exactly what about my opening post is scummy? Because I see nothing in it that says scummy to me. If I had seen it coming from anyone else I don’t think I would have picked up on it. So just humour me, why do you disagree that its towny, pull it apart and let us discuss you rather weak reasoning.

I answered this in 513. I'll put the relevant sentences here: "The 'random' vote is ostentatiously explained, comments about pages and colour are robotically dry, mention of being mislimmed D1 in a previous game is subtle ATE, ends with a plea for a D1 pass just unashamed survivalism."

Spoiler: GE quote

So hello everyone, is it too late for an RVS vote?

VOTE: Alianna Alphabetical after me...

Wow eight pages already..... meh

And so much colour, is that going to be

a

thing

in

this

game?

anyway, so seems many of you know each other and have game time, well I don't. brief game with Andante, Titus and Hu Tao, before being lim'd D1 but that's about it. In fact I think Titus joined the game after I was lim'd.

So.. what next?

oh yes my TZ is GMT +4, so probably will not be chatting live to many of you....

annnnd can I get one of those D1 passes too?


UNVOTE:

Is this post towny...I'm saddened to disagree.
I'm gonna pull on this loose thread.

VOTE: Afrayed Knott

Ngl I do feel a nagging sensation reading this post

@furtive

who are you attempting to disagree with here?

I was using a format to set up a couple of jokes.
Is this post towny...

I'm afraid not

.
I'm gonna pull on this

frayed knot

.

I wasn't responding to anyone who had called AK towny, idk if there had been.

[furtiveglance]

I like the current thread flow.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Drew

*honks in alarm, shoves a lookalike Drew statue into place to absorb the vote*

Hi Aureal!

What's your read on me so far?

I hate it when people self-quote but

[furtiveglance]

*honks in confusion while dragging 644 past, then goes to look for a goose translator since some people apparently are not fluent in it*

Is that it? Unpartnered with Ircher?

[furtiveglance]

*could honk a meta-read that townfurtive is likely to pick on the things he's picking on here, but then again she hasn't really seen scumfurtive since multiball is quite different and so was his attitude at the time*

*just honks quizzically at furtive being so curious about reads on himself*

I'm curious about your thoughts on the game, obviously if you want to honk that's up to you but it's making you hard to read this game.

[furtiveglance]

I have attempted to be accommodating here and you are just spouting more and more whiny nonsense about how “you aren’t allow to do anything”

*honks in annoyance at expecting a newbie to just not be a newbie and not get frustrated at being scumread for newbie behavior*

I don’t think you read that whole exchange.

I get a similar feeling of Aureal's 'newbie' remarks being not entirely proportionate/explanatory of AK's play.

[furtiveglance]

Is there an actual case for Ircher being scum beyond his posting being bad? Like don’t get me wrong it is, but I still don’t see why it makes him scum (and we should also lim Aureal if bad posting is all the reasoning we need)

I'd argue Aureal has been slightly more engaged despite the gimmick. As for your question, bad posting is usually the main case for someone being scum but I kind of get what you mean.

[furtiveglance]

votecount 1.08

Ircher (6) -

Hu Tao, Doctor Drew

,

Titus

,

Gamma Emerald, Broccoli Quest 2

,

Afrayed Knott

Titus (2) - Meuh, Ircher
Alianna (1) - Aureal
Broccoli Quest 2 (1) - Alianna
Afrayed Knott (1) - Andante

not voting

(2) - Theta Alpine, HighPrincessErinys

with thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to be the first one to die. how embarassing! day one ends in (expired on 2023-11-01 17:45:00).

mod note: i kinda forgot about mod notes, those are a thing by the way

Colour is idle speculation based on my reads so far. I think the E-1 Ircher wagon was mostly pure, and the possible exception in AK did hop on and off a couple times, so I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be partnered. I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on this.

NB: I'm not sold on Titus being town, but I do think she and Ircher don't make a lot of sense on the same team.

[furtiveglance]

I think the E-1 Ircher wagon was mostly pure

so Meuh/Ircher/Me/Aureal/your slot/Theta/HPE
has 2 scum in it according to you?

yeah maybe, could also be 1.

Right now I think AK/Meuh/Ircher/Titus/Aureal has all scum.

[furtiveglance]

why am I being wagoned? Did I claim?

I have zero context her until I get some free time to read

You're being wagoned for some really strange posting.

The TLDR of this game is that Ircher was E-1ed early on. Also had wagons on me and Titus.

[furtiveglance]

Is there an actual case for Ircher being scum beyond his posting being bad? Like don’t get me wrong it is, but I still don’t see why it makes him scum (and we should also lim Aureal if bad posting is all the reasoning we need)

He's made 17 posts this game. Compare the amount of effort in these 17 posts with posts from his scum games, and then compare with the first 17 posts of town games.

Yeah I'd agree this game is more like Ircher's scum meta. I'll move my vote.

VOTE: Ircher

[furtiveglance]

you liked ircher earlier, what changed your mind?

Lack of counter. I could compromise there if a deadline wagon but I have others I'd prefer.

You could always stack on Meuh with Drew if no one's agreeing on Aureal.

[furtiveglance]

you liked ircher earlier, what changed your mind?

Lack of counter. I could compromise there if a deadline wagon but I have others I'd prefer.

Setting wagon formations aside, what do you think of Ircher's push on you?

[furtiveglance]

I cannot believe nobody put forth the suggestion that we gut andante to see if theyre actually a VT

oh this slot is just CURSED

Theta mentioned "mod WIFOM" but limming Andante solely to vibecheck the sample PM is. Yowza!

What are you doing? You know that if I vote icher they become the leading wagon?

Agree with HPE that 800 is a really weird non-sequitur here.

Maybe the bastard thing in this game is that Skygazer and schadd have been feeding AK and pisskop lines every so often.

[furtiveglance]

829 sorry^

[furtiveglance]

829 in particular is a statement to indicate that Im under no actual pressure of elimination.

VOTE: pisskop

I might actually like your posting so far even less than your predecessor's.

[furtiveglance]

Theta Alpine is trending downwards for me just through the process of distillation.

[furtiveglance]

lets see... 13 player game, hu is basically a nullslot due to vla,

figure 2-3 scum?

Alannia, Aureal, Hu, Icher.

I dont like how alannia dropped off. I dont think I saw too much of FA, but its only page 18 or so.
Aureal was just memes and it surprises me she isn replaced out
Hu is just empty, who doesnt want more from that slot.
Icher too. Just fell off, didnt contribuite much, despite the wagons Im left largely feeling like its deliberate lurking.

The game is confirmed to be 10/3. I think you might have already known that. Who guesses 2-3 in a 13P game? It's nearly always 3. This looks like a fake townslip to me.

[furtiveglance]

I've had enough. Sorry if people think this is rash, but I just have to know. I'm way too curious for this role LMFAO

@Skygazer

daykill: pisskop

[furtiveglance]

Good reaction test

wdym?

I'm a loyal 1-shot day vig. I can only kill town.

[furtiveglance]

Good reaction test

wdym?

I'm a loyal 1-shot day vig. I can only kill town.

jk jk lol

[furtiveglance]

Good reaction test

wdym?

I'm a loyal 1-shot day vig. I can only kill town.

jk jk lol

You’re spoiling my fun

[furtiveglance]

Pisskop, Ircher, Titus, Meuh is my kill list at the moment. I'll be happy if the final 5 includes none of those players.

[furtiveglance]

hmmm no activity tends to be scum indicative

[furtiveglance]

Afrayed likely town, no shot pisskop goes "let's flip andante to see if this is true" as scum

There's definitely a shot this happened.

[furtiveglance]

Afrayed likely town, no shot pisskop goes "let's flip andante to see if this is true" as scum

There's definitely a shot this happened.

Big speculation here: AK didn't say a word about the Andante role PM IC thing, but a few people who did were questioned as scummy for one reason or another, mostly those who were seen as scum concerned about an IC and trying to see if its true, etc. SO, PK replaces AK, and perhaps with this fresh slate, scum tells them to try the opposite approach? That flipping Andante should've been considered because of it? Try and see if that gets towncred, instead.

Probably not even remotely true but a fun idea to shoot considering PK is very far from bulletproof regardless.

The bottom line is there's obvious scum motivation in a S/T world. I'm so lost on so much of the rubric Andante uses to form reads.

[furtiveglance]

I think furtive is posting narration, and then trying to get us to imply his conclusions

Infer?

[furtiveglance]

if I were investigative, I'd probably be on the furtive tonight

works for me, I'm the Alpha Wolf (godfather equivalent)

[furtiveglance]

Still not interested in pisskop lim here.

Right now it's 4/4 between you two.

[furtiveglance]

So at the risk of being made more unpopular (or more popular) I do think all that churn was counterproductive at the least and lead by scum engaging and encouraging theatre at the most. I kind of expect to find a very active player on D1 was scum before this is over

Is it just me you suspect, or are you including BQ2/HPE in this?

[furtiveglance]

So at the risk of being made more unpopular (or more popular) I do think all that churn was counterproductive at the least and lead by scum engaging and encouraging theatre at the most. I kind of expect to find a very active player on D1 was scum before this is over

Is it just me you suspect, or are you including BQ2/HPE in this?

I dont think your slot was one of the active ones, but

I liked the conclusions brock made, didnt necessarily townread the filler.
HPE ... I kneejerk want to hate the oppressive aggression, dont have an opinion of the play. otoh I feel like theyre too transparent, like theyre leading people along when they dont need to. Otoh, I dont have a reference point for them.

So who were you talking about then? This post doesn't line up with your original one. Unless you just meant 'churn=scum' in general.

[furtiveglance]

I'll E-1, hopefully we get a claim this time.

VOTE: Ircher

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE:

[furtiveglance]

If they are intentionally not claiming despite ample chance to then you dont need the claim

I guess, I'd just rather not eliminate a PR D1

[furtiveglance]

I cannot believe nobody put forth the suggestion that we gut andante to see if theyre actually a VT

oh this slot is just CURSED

Agree that pisskop is a priority elimination. If I die keep the flame alive!

[furtiveglance]

Cheese Conoisseur could just be a rolecop type role for mafia yeah

I also don't agree that it has massive town utility

[furtiveglance]

Hmm

Again it seems like Ircher might just be town by VCA

All of my other scumreads seem to want him dead, or be fine with it

Gonna go back here

VOTE: pisskop

[furtiveglance]

VCA

Show your work here, cuz thats a bold statement.

Im willing to bet you know we're both town

My work is a line down in the same post.

Everyone is fine with voting Ircher.

[furtiveglance]

If Furtiveglance is scum, I would have Ircher as a partner possibly.

He unvoted right after my intent, which looked a bit panicky.

I thought you were about to hammer which wasn't what I wanted.

[furtiveglance]

I love the threads leaking, nice touch.

Re-evaluated overnight and developed scumreads on Aureal and HPE.

Aureal looks super towny in the PT though so I'm not as convinced anymore.

Titus and PK remain scum candidates for me.

[furtiveglance]

Also, if Theta was a neighbour, it wasn't with Hu Tao.

That's interesting.

[furtiveglance]

I love the threads leaking, nice touch.

Re-evaluated overnight and developed scumreads on Aureal and HPE.

Aureal looks super towny in the PT though so I'm not as convinced anymore.

Titus and PK remain scum candidates for me.

Talk to me about why HPE.

Also no talk about how glowingly I spoke of you in my pond?

Seen and appreciated haha

[furtiveglance]

a private topic has been leaked! click here.
a private topic has been leaked! click here.
a private topic has been leaked! click here.
a private topic has been leaked! click here.

Scum probably did this? Makes me think maybe we could all be town. Hmm

I was thinking more mod involvement

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: furtive

having onceovered the hoods i think the solve is probably titus/furtive/hpe/drew

Yeah see I don't really think you believe this. The usual logic of how games work should dicate a TR on me - I scumread Ircher, and I also said Titus all of yesterday, and I came in today scumreading HPE - if anyone's unsure as to why btw, just for not voting Ircher. But if PK is scum then HPE is town anyway so that's probably more likely.

You've maintained a scumread on me since you came in, it was instigated by your slot predecessor AK, I think it's tactical rather than showing a natural thought process and reacting to the game.

[furtiveglance]

I'll wait for a VC before voting but I like those reads of Titus and PK from BQ2.

BQ2 has been obvtown since I repped in.
I also think Meuh looks entirely unpartnered with Ircher.
Hu Tao is town for voteparking Ircher.
Drew was fairly stubbornly anti-Ircher all day.

Agree GE looks good but less clear in my eyes just for joining the wagon slightly later.

HPE shared a lot of my thoughts yesterday and I think the game makes more sense if it is town pushing a scum!PK. If PK were ever to flip town though obviously, voteparking town over scum is default suspicious.

Aureal followed Ircher around the VCs yesterday which equals default suspicion but I do townread the PT content which leaves me honking in confusion.

Andante is disagreeing with a lot of my reads and a possible scum candidate but right now I'm thinking chaotic town more likely.

Titus has sunk into scum meta and the Ircher push on her did look a little like bussing even at the time of the post, it looked coached.

Strongest scumread is Pisskop tho, seems like direction of votes and scumreads has been consistently anti-town along with AK which suggests scum knowledge.

[furtiveglance]

you wanted to lim me over ircher

seems pretty scummy to me, when coupled with aliannas play

I don't see why there couldn't have been several scum wagons yesterday. I think most of the louder players are town.

Ircher kept refusing to vote your slot, and AK unvoted Ircher at E-1. It's not really +town of you to push Ircher in the way you did given the only alternative was you.

[furtiveglance]

It's precisely my reluctance to just shut up and vote ircher that makes me town. they were essentially an empty slot

distancing yourself from a flipped mafia is what looks sus

You can say this, but there's no logic behind it.

A lot of your posts have struck me as just screaming "I'm town you're not" into the void.

[furtiveglance]

The difference between me and you is I actually voted for the scum

Is there an actual case for Ircher being scum beyond his posting being bad? Like don’t get me wrong it is, but I still don’t see why it makes him scum (and we should also lim Aureal if bad posting is all the reasoning we need)

He's made 17 posts this game. Compare the amount of effort in these 17 posts with posts from his scum games, and then compare with the first 17 posts of town games.

Yeah I'd agree this game is more like Ircher's scum meta. I'll move my vote.

VOTE: Ircher

I'll E-1, hopefully we get a claim this time.

VOTE: Ircher

[furtiveglance]

FA? Are people reading Furtivegl Ance?

I've got that a couple times and A is nowhere near G on the keyboard

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE:

I already explained this. Besides, right now, I think I was voting scum instead of scum yesterday.

[furtiveglance]

My explanation for unvoting was that I wanted a claim. I didn't realise Titus' intent apparently came with the hidden caveat that she wasn't really about to hammer.

[furtiveglance]

My explanation for unvoting was that I wanted a claim. I didn't realise Titus' intent apparently came with the hidden caveat that she wasn't really about to hammer.

Intent to hammer on an unclaimed slot is “if you don’t claim now you are going to die”

ok

[furtiveglance]

you wanted to lim me over ircher

seems pretty scummy to me, when coupled with aliannas play

I don't see why there couldn't have been several scum wagons yesterday. I think most of the louder players are town.

Ircher kept refusing to vote your slot, and AK unvoted Ircher at E-1. It's not really +town of you to push Ircher in the way you did given the only alternative was you.

Ircher was playing like a doomed slot with his vacant read walls. I wanted more data too.

Right now, I'm seeing the same slots that wanted to counter Ircher opening up doing the same thing on me again which suggests they put no effort into reading the thread at all.

Yeah, I just like Aureal, Broccoli and Drew as my pool skimming the VCs yesterday.

Uh, what?

Me and Aureal were some of Ircher's biggest pushers. If anything you haven't put any effort into reading the thread lol.

I'm right now pretty sure you are scum, so if you are town you better:
1. Town it up
2. Re-evaluate your reads on me and Aureal and make an effort to find someone actually scummy
3. When you call someone scum, have some sort of case on them rather than whatever this nonsense is.

Anyway @Sailor Moon are you joining this scum wagon?

Aureal did vote with Ircher for a lot of the day.

[furtiveglance]

I'm gonna vote Pisskop instead of Titus. Titus is a second choice at the moment.

Pisskop is increasingly engaging with me in bad faith and seems to be desperately clinging to a scumread of me rather than ever re-evaluating or even just thinking about the game in any real depth.

VOTE: Pisskop

[furtiveglance]

My gut tells me that pk giving off bad vibes is possibly a towntell for him

Who have you got as mafia then?

[furtiveglance]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I think Andante's a very possible scum candidate.

[furtiveglance]

Also, I'd warn against reading too much into neighbours mech since it's a bastard game.

[furtiveglance]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I think Andante's a very possible scum candidate.

Hmmm trueeee

That's why I gave her separately.


Random thought and an open question to everyone:

Do you think this and this are townie reactions to being called an IC?

No.

[furtiveglance]

this game contains, at most, one thing that some people might consider a moderator lie

And you're trusting a bastard mod?

Point is that thing could refer to the post in which it's made, or Skygazer just wanted to run a really bastard game and advertised it as slightly bastard.

[furtiveglance]

Hu Tao is Huge Town

[furtiveglance]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I’d like to make Andante a full member and switch FG out for hu tao?

Hmmmmmm

I really wanna say yes but Ho Tao hasn't been active for a while and I'm slightly concerned about that.

Does anyone here know Hu Tao's meta? As I said in my leaked neighborhood, it's my first game with her.

Pedit: Titus, why is my agenda proscum? What do you think I should be pushing right now, with the reads I have?

Hu Tao was so early and constant on the Ircher wagon. Are you not looking at VCs?

[furtiveglance]

Broccoli, why were you on a lot of counters to Ircher?

I am fuming at this post.

Like I actually wrote an all-caps toxic response to it but then deleted it because I hate being toxic.

I'm also sleep deprived right now and not thinking clearly, so a proper response will come after 8 hours of sleep.

I will just note for now that this question is hypocritical in the extreme coming from Titus, who the second it looked like Ircher was actually going to be the lim, tried to steer into an Aureal wagon, despite having a vague scumread on Ircher the entirety of Day 1.

Good night everyone.

I don't really get this sentiment. Hypocrisy is inevitable in mafia.

[furtiveglance]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I’d like to make Andante a full member and switch FG out for hu tao?

I'm hurt broccoli still doesn't tr me

I do, just replace BQ with me as your nice obvtown friend

[furtiveglance]

Broccoli, why were you on a lot of counters to Ircher?

I am fuming at this post.

Like I actually wrote an all-caps toxic response to it but then deleted it because I hate being toxic.

I'm also sleep deprived right now and not thinking clearly, so a proper response will come after 8 hours of sleep.

I will just note for now that this question is hypocritical in the extreme coming from Titus, who the second it looked like Ircher was actually going to be the lim, tried to steer into an Aureal wagon, despite having a vague scumread on Ircher the entirety of Day 1.

Good night everyone.

I don't really get this sentiment. Hypocrisy is inevitable in mafia.

This is a very weird way of going up to bat for Titus don't you think? Hypocrisy and contradictions aren't something to brush off as "inevitable" as if it we shouldn't scrutinize them.

I'm just saying everyone is bound to question other players despite their own standing, I don't see why BQ would take it so badly.

[furtiveglance]

I can't post for about 10 hours from now. Don't do anything while I'm gone!

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Andante

In the interest of provoking some new content.

But I also believe in this vote somewhat.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Andante

In the interest of provoking some new content.

But I also believe in this vote somewhat.

you believe i flip scum? believe in this vote more than anyone else?

Probably second to pisskop, and no one else seems interested in that vote right now.

[furtiveglance]

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

LOL

Lol

lol

[furtiveglance]

guys it's not meeeeeee

I'm really trying my best not to be toxic right now but people suspecting me of being mafia when they are also potential suspects for being mafia just really drives me up the wall because it's not FAIR!

[furtiveglance]

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

HOLY SHIT

I had the same thought

Like, it's not my go-to solve, but I was thinking, if Titus is somehow town then this is my backup solve

ALSO

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

LOL

Lol

lol

This reaction is freaking me out.

Come on - this is hilarious:

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

and it's not an omgus, I've been thinking it

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Andante

In the interest of provoking some new content.

But I also believe in this vote somewhat.

you believe i flip scum? believe in this vote more than anyone else?

Probably second to pisskop, and no one else seems interested in that vote right now.

1. Sell me on pisskop
2. Sell me on Andante
3. Sell me on town!Titus.

Pisskop - same reasons as yesterday. None of them are mitigated by PK pushing Ircher because the only realistic alternative to Ircher towards the end of yesterday was PK.

Andante - reads have been literally everywhere this game. Didn't vote Ircher for large periods of yesterday.

Titus' posting in recent pages has improved and I buy the scumread on Aureal, even if I'm more conflicted on that slot myself. Also, Titus was in real danger of being eliminated yesterday, so I think on reflection Ircher's push on her makes more sense as S/T than S/S.

[furtiveglance]

guys it's not meeeeeee

I'm really trying my best not to be toxic right now but people suspecting me of being mafia when they are also potential suspects for being mafia just really drives me up the wall because it's not FAIR!

I feel personally called out by this

was it really that bad?

I'm glad you took it well. The point I was trying to make is that we've all got to be allowed to talk and scumread freely despite our own current standing in the game.

[furtiveglance]

All I get from reading back the hoods is that BQ and Drew are definitely town.

Aureal and PK less so but both have towny moments in there.

This game is tough.

[furtiveglance]

Agreed!
Got a general bad feeling about Andante but I checked her ISO and there were still little things I enjoyed. Conflicted there at this point

I got the feeling she tried to pocket you yesterday: 263, 369, 382. Strange progression.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: furtive

AtEs, though, are just yummy

If this is serious, I haven't AtE'd this game.

NSG tell?

[furtiveglance]

I'm not loving meuh flipping to me here on this page, I just don't get why?

Hmm yes all of your voters are scum

[furtiveglance]

Dont you think thats a town mindset?

Wouldnt scum try to be more 'reasoned' about their reads than just plopping down a gazillion scumreads?

Wifom. If scum think blatant omgus x3 will get them TRed, why not do it? It's strategically sound that you're only alienating your voters as well.

The angle I'm coming at it from is how likely is a town!Andante to have these exact reads which are basically all 3 of her voters as top scumreads.

[furtiveglance]

I think I'm just going to go with "Andante is a VT and received that pm" for now because that's the simplest explanation, and anything else right now would be mere conjecture.

I don't think this reads as anti-associative.

I'm not interested in voting Afrayed right now.

@Ircher can I get your thoughts on Alianna/Furtive, both their day play and the votes on them?

Meuh's vote lacks justification and isn't a great look but could still be town.

Andante is town

but the vote doesn't make a lot of sense given her reads at the time.

This does read as anti-associative doesn't it? Do scum usually call partners town so straightforwardly?

Still not interested in pisskop lim here.

This was at 4/4 btw - Ircher knew PK was the only real alternative to his own elimination and basically chose to die.

I'm gonna switch it up again - I don't think I need to toss out reads and re-evaluate unless flips prove otherwise.

VOTE: pisskop

[furtiveglance]

More townposting will be beneficial here.

BQ2: I'm interested in your insights based on yesterday's posting. Quote some stuff, comment on it - who looks good/bad?

Drew: More explanation of reads would be great. Are you still sure this is town!Titus?

Hu Tao: Get your head out of the PTs and get in here!

[furtiveglance]

I think what makes the most sense is just to take Ircher/Titus at face value and TR Titus for it.

Even though Ircher's longer post 308 accusing Titus came when it was Ircher 6/Titus 2, they had voted each other before that and it seems like a really strange way for scum to play on D1.

I think more likely is Ircher was told to put some pressure on town!Titus to try and save his own skin.

Titus voters, surely it's more sensible to play assuming traditional associatives between scum for the moment?

That is to say, I think we should leave Titus for now and assume the usual regarding VCA.

[furtiveglance]

More townposting will be beneficial here.

BQ2: I'm interested in your insights based on yesterday's posting. Quote some stuff, comment on it - who looks good/bad?

Drew: More explanation of reads would be great. Are you still sure this is town!Titus?

Hu Tao: Get your head out of the PTs and get in here!

Genuinely, I don't see much reason not to just dump all your thoughts in the main thread, especially now that we know about the hoods.

[furtiveglance]

Drew might just be scum here. He reacted as if he saw what I was saying but then waffles on me being town.

I'm a little concerned by his lurking and lack of depth in engagements as well, but I remember feeling convinced he was town after reading the PT with Hu Tao.

@Skygazer, are we allowed to quote from the leaked PTs?

[furtiveglance]

A lot of people are talking about how they would vote drew, including me, but nobodys actually doing it.

VOTE: drew

IF we accept that one maf is in the hoods, thats where we should look

Subject: love child - pond private thread (Hu Tao & Doctor Drew) [leaked]

Thoughts on thread?

I keep wanting to say this is definitely scumIrcher by tone, but then realized he has the same tone every game, still keeping my vote there for now though.

I am kinda leaning towards the possibility of scumAlianna, to me she seems so obvious when town, but also not a lot of her posts stick out to me as well.

Those are my hot takes lol.

How about you?

Surely Drew is town just for this.

[furtiveglance]

Furt, Re: Town Blocc

I can assure you this is scumTitus

Because she scumreads you and also called you scum in ChatGPT?

[furtiveglance]

Ok, I'm sensing that the Titus wagon won't go away and will probably be today's elimination.

I do think it's a town-led wagon.

I have the nagging feeling that Titus will flip town - Ircher associatives and VT claim would be my main points I think.

I don't want town to start eating itself in that event - e.g. sheeping Titus' read on Aureal or trying to BOP Drew for his Titus scumread.

I still think pisskop is a priority elimination.

The third mafia is eluding me a bit but I'd probably look in GE/HPE? Not sure.

I'm not gonna E-1 because I think there's still a lot of useful talking we can do today.

[furtiveglance]

Obviously if pisskop were to flip red HPE wouldn't be a suspect.

[furtiveglance]

Sad.

I shall now post everything in green to pay respects.

JK that's too much effort.

[furtiveglance]

biancospino replaces Broccoli Quest 2

Hellowo

[furtiveglance]

Ok, I'm sensing that the Titus wagon won't go away and will probably be today's elimination.

I do think it's a town-led wagon.

I have the nagging feeling that Titus will flip town - Ircher associatives and VT claim would be my main points I think.

I don't want town to start eating itself in that event - e.g. sheeping Titus' read on Aureal or trying to BOP Drew for his Titus scumread.

I still think pisskop is a priority elimination.

The third mafia is eluding me a bit but I'd probably look in GE/HPE? Not sure.

I'm not gonna E-1 because I think there's still a lot of useful talking we can do today.

Ok, so I need to read stuff before actually entering in the game, but while I do that can I have a tl;dr overview of the cases for Titus and for pisskop?

The case for Titus is just 'scum meta' I think, maybe static reads as well (SR on Aureal since yesterday). Drew especially compared her play this game to a Titus scumgame he was in (Porkens' ChatGPT game). I personally thought Ircher's push on Titus in 308 looked coached/possibly partnered, and I think that was a big part of why your predecessor BQ scumread Titus as well.

Overall I think interactions with Ircher are town indicative for Titus - she was a bg CW for a lot of the day and did vote Ircher fairly early on, with reciprocal voting between them.

The case for pisskop mostly focuses on the previous holder of the slot, Afrayed Knott, who was a big wagon late in the day yesterday as well. Ircher consistently refused to vote for AK/pisskop. I also felt that the slot had a static scumread on my slot, in a way that looked unnaturally strategic.

Obviously the other big thing in the game is that Hu Tao was/is in 4 hoods (with Aureal, Drew, your slot and pisskop), and Theta Alpine also flipped as a Town Neighbour implying at least one more hood somewhere. Several players' roles include 'cheese', including Ircher who was a 'Cheese Thief'.

That's basically where I'm at right now. My strongest TRs are you, Hu Tao and Drew for early positioning on the Ircher wagon.

[furtiveglance]

and Theta Alpine also flipped as a Town Neighbour implying at least one more hood somewhere.

Mhm but. I'm sorry, is there a reason why are we all assuming she was a Neighbor? Her rolename is Neighborin

o

.

Btw, I

have

cheese. Like, a whole bag full of the stuff, presumably grated. Appartently fowls like it.

What's a Neighbourino then?

[furtiveglance]

I'd argue Neighbourino implies a role to do with/similar to Neighbour, but if no one was in a hood with TA then maybe it was just a misleading flip/role name.

[furtiveglance]

The hoods leaked the same time theta died. There's no evidence of them being a hood member or of them causing the leak.

Its possible that their role did cause it.
Its possible their death caused it.
Its possible it was a one time or daily event.

Why is this what you choose to talk about? It's not really important at all.

[furtiveglance]

You suggested something that has no backing and increases the uncertainty of the game. Im presenting counterpoints to your suggestion.

Are you discouraging the town from solving?

This is such bad faith. My point was that you didn't comment on Titus/other elimination options today, first you went to the easy point of 'well we don't know whether TA was a neighbour or not'.

And now you're trying to argue my very level 1 speculation of Neighbourino = like Neighbour is somehow anti-town.

So reactive, so defensive, shameless.

I'll probably votepark pisskop for the rest of the game while we're both alive.

[furtiveglance]

first you went to the easy point of 'well we don't know whether TA was a neighbour or not'.

you didnt say this though.

You said this:

Theta Alpine also flipped as a Town Neighbour implying at least one more hood somewhere.

Which isnt expressing indeterminacy.

How does this help scum, if I'm scum?

[furtiveglance]

Youre tripping over yourself FG, and that why you went from towncore to lim candidate.

[furtiveglance]

The hoods leaked the same time theta died. There's no evidence of them being a hood member or of them causing the leak.

Its possible that their role did cause it.
Its possible their death caused it.
Its possible it was a one time or daily event.

Why is this what you choose to talk about? It's not really important at all.

I mean, it was me to raise the point

You asked for a general catch up on the game.

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: bianco

Ircher is town by VCA because he was E-1 early on D1, and scum by posts because his posts are scummy. Also scummy for lack of posts after E-1.

Putting Afrayed Knott last because I feel confident in this read and I want to underline it to get more votes on him.
179 isn't just wack, it's really scummy. The 'random' vote is ostentatiously explained, comments about pages and colour are robotically dry, mention of being mislimmed D1 in a previous game is subtle ATE, ends with a plea for a D1 pass just unashamed survivalism.

Subsequent posts are nearly all jokes of some kind, the voting and unvoting of Ircher with no explanation is also best explained by a Scum/Town dynamic there.

Hmm

Again it seems like Ircher might just be town by VCA

All of my other scumreads seem to want him dead, or be fine with it

Gonna go back here

VOTE: pisskop

Correct me if I'm wrong, but seems to me your SR of AK/pk that you sailed through D1 was, at least not incidentally, founded on demostrably flawed premises. It obviously can't be a S/T dynamic now.

So, there is a degree of continuity of your SR that there shouldn't be. To credit, you did reframe it later (cf. e.g. 1288, which in fact works on essentially the opposite premise), thou it does look to me that you have subdued the reframing

I think I'm just going to go with "Andante is a VT and received that pm" for now because that's the simplest explanation, and anything else right now would be mere conjecture.

I don't think this reads as anti-associative.

I'm not interested in voting Afrayed right now.

@Ircher can I get your thoughts on Alianna/Furtive, both their day play and the votes on them?

Meuh's vote lacks justification and isn't a great look but could still be town.

Andante is town

but the vote doesn't make a lot of sense given her reads at the time.

This does read as anti-associative doesn't it? Do scum usually call partners town so straightforwardly?

Still not interested in pisskop lim here.

This was at 4/4 btw - Ircher knew PK was the only real alternative to his own elimination and basically chose to die.

I'm gonna switch it up again - I don't think I need to toss out reads and re-evaluate unless flips prove otherwise.

VOTE: pisskop

Yeah I see what you're saying. Do you think AK twerking on the E-1 is unlikely to be S/S though? I think it works still.

[furtiveglance]

In the absolute? Yes, it may be s/s. Under the framework that pk is more valuable than a Cheese Thief to the scum (which, btw, we really have no reason to just believe that it's just a fancy FlavorCop).

Which... is kind of the point I'm making. You're essentially using that interaction as an Heisenberg's clue.

If you mean I'm scumreading pisskop from it in either case, yeah I am. But if, let's say, pisskop/AK had started a wagon on Ircher who then flipped red, I wouldn't be.

[furtiveglance]

Furt, Re: Town Blocc

I can assure you this is scumTitus

Because she scumreads you and also called you scum in ChatGPT?

I also want to address this again to elaborate.

I made a comment on a post more relating to Shadow, that maybe there is a possibility that Titus is scum. Titus then went on the offensive on me asking how my read could switch so quickly, which is exactly what happened in ChatGPT......she jumped on me hoping for the mis lim there in the exact same fashion she is trying to do here.

And my read on her isn't really to do with her voting me and such, but how she is going about it.

Shadow?

[furtiveglance]

Sup yall

VOTE: pisskop

[furtiveglance]

I think the other scum is GE btw. The positions she took up yesterday were scummy and not really precedented or explained.

[furtiveglance]

Mafia didnt kill in the hoods. I dont think in this case that it means we should lim in it.

"Don't vote for me, I'm in a neighbourhood!"

Rather lets go for bad players who consistently tunnel

Am I bad or am I scum?

[furtiveglance]

I think the other scum is GE btw. The positions she took up yesterday were scummy and not really precedented or explained.

How much is this assessment informed by you preflipping pk?

A lot. I only have one view of the game at once. Could be wrong, but I'm trying.

[furtiveglance]

Well this fucking blows

Why

[furtiveglance]

I’ll explain shortly

[furtiveglance]

If FG is town we've already lost the game

This kind of defeatism doesn't make sense from a town slot here. Even if you think we're both town and likely eliminations in the next couple days, that would still leave a 5p ELO after we both get voted. So what is this based on?

[furtiveglance]

Its not a town mindset, and excusing it as anything less than antitown and an excuse to produce posts that appear to be engaged is a failure of its own

Dont excuse crap like that because then it becomes viable for mafia. And if it is actually mafia, well its viable because people brush off crap like 'the definition of intelligence is being able to hold more than 1 idea in your head simultaneously with it melting' but FG cant?

I've posted a lot about other players, thinking openly about the game is not mutually exclusive with holding a consistent scumread.

[furtiveglance]

So what is this based on?

Your refusal to actually consider other options is antitown and toxic, and its time to either break you or beat the town into breaking and 1v1ing us

1) A consistent scumread is only antitown if the target is town.
2) I'm not a toxic player for voteparking you, regardless of my alignment (which you yourself don't claim to know or care about).

Good luck breaking me.

[furtiveglance]

I never called you a toxic player, I called your behavior toxic

I don't see a difference

[furtiveglance]

If youre town, and I keep appealing there because were here to talk, youd know that youre setting yourself up as a mislim candidate. Ive already convinced people like gamma and brocoli that you were obvtown, and assuming theyre town too mafia will jump on that.

Of course, I also would have my mafia buddies behind me too.

You wont win this. I am the stronger player

Someone else can interpret this for me

Do you think I'm town?

[furtiveglance]

I never called you a toxic player, I called your behavior toxic

I don't see a difference

the difference is in that other large I enjoyed having your sharp wit and clean, concise, and observant posts. Of course I was scum, and I think you were catching on, but I enjoy your play when youre town. Its just here it looks less like town looking for a solve and more like mafia angling for a mislim with bad faith

I had consistent scumreads in that game too.

[furtiveglance]

Current reads:

Town

bianco
Enchant
Hu Tao

Could be scum

Andante
Aureal
HPE
GE

Probable scum

pisskop

[furtiveglance]

HPE

I dont recall you ever talking about HPE, actually. Would you mind telling me why they could be scum?

If you flip town, they parked town instead of voting Ircher D1. It's a conditional read.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: furtiveglance
went thru some of my old games with him and in one of them he openly admits he's more tunnely as scum

quote it

also, what's 'this fucking blows' about?

[furtiveglance]

Obviously if pisskop were to flip red HPE wouldn't be a suspect.

@furt, this is one example, but you have expressed the sentiment above a number of times actually. You still have HPE as orange even if you're basically operating as if pk's preflipped red. What's give?

My logic's quite simple, it's just D1 VCA.

[furtiveglance]

If you flip town, they parked town instead of voting Ircher D1. It's a conditional read.

You should have been considering this all along, the fact that you wont is why youre mafia angling.

Im inclined to believe HPE is town, but I have no clue what their scumgame is like.

Youre actively choosing to base your reads on conditional statements, and thats why youre scum

I'm always gonna vote for my strongest scumread.

[furtiveglance]

Obviously if pisskop were to flip red HPE wouldn't be a suspect.

@furt, this is one example, but you have expressed the sentiment above a number of times actually. You still have HPE as orange even if you're basically operating as if pk's preflipped red. What's give?

My logic's quite simple, it's just D1 VCA.

Right, but, you admitted yourself it only works in a t!pk world. Which you're not living on rn.

Would you say that the likelyhood of the sentence "HPE is scum" is about what percentwise?

like 30?

[furtiveglance]

Wrt my meta, I tunnel either when I think I have to (as scum) or when I think I'm right (as town). Pisskop was just in a game when I had consistent reads and votes over several days as town, so the push based on meta doesn't make sense from PK at all.

[furtiveglance]

Gamma did you 'vig' Meuh by any chance

[furtiveglance]

I'm also pretty sure I saw you reconsider Aristeia in the WF Mountainous game we both played, tho I acknowledge that was post-scum flip

I reconsider if there's reason to. I reconsidered Andante in this game, at one point I was pretty sure she was scum and now I'm thinking more likely town - based on Ircher associatives.

I think my view of the game has only really been stubbornly the same since the latter half of D2 (after I started to see Titus as town) - which makes sense as both Titus and Meuh flipped as what I expected them to.

[furtiveglance]

Gamma, are you gonna claim last night's action in this day phase or not?

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE:
yeah I think I'm chill for now w you

[furtiveglance]

idk
I kinda should've kept my mouth shut on reflection

oops

[furtiveglance]

Subject: love child - pond private thread (Hu Tao & pisskop) [leaked]

Im convinced that somebody who contribuited to the hell that was the first 15 pages of the game is maf.

this take should be justified imo
who do you see as responsible for this, pk?

He said this in thread and I called it out as bogus

[furtiveglance]

The hoods leaked the same time theta died. There's no evidence of them being a hood member or of them causing the leak.

Its possible that their role did cause it.
Its possible their death caused it.
Its possible it was a one time or daily event.

Why is this what you choose to talk about? It's not really important at all.

Can you clarify this

I thought you were going to comment on reads or the state of the game which I had been telling bianco about. I said this earlier

[furtiveglance]

If this is you arguing that me saying that was scummy again, I kind of still agree with my past self.

What concrete stuff have you got from GE's claim? It doesn't clear her or anyone else.

[furtiveglance]

where is Drew?
VOTE: Doctor Drew
I'm gonna put this here until he shows.

Drew is now Enchant.

[furtiveglance]

Well I'm dumb I guess.

[furtiveglance]

Aureal's honking sense

HPE why do you have Gamma as town?

You think a PT leaker can't be a scum role?

[furtiveglance]

I think until ELO there's no need to un-town Hu Tao and Enchant (Drew), seeing as they were so early on Ircher.

Which leaves the other 4 as a votepool for today. HPE voting Aureal early does strike me as town-indicative...

I'd love to see Andante and Enchant post today.

[furtiveglance]

furtive is definitely one

Your townhunting's going well congrats

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: furtive

only post all game is to E-1 me at 7?

[furtiveglance]

furtive is definitely one

Your townhunting's going well congrats

I mean, you talk to me like im town, yet you consider me in your vote pool?

It was clearly a joke. Other people can see that right?

[furtiveglance]

furtive, who is the scum team here in your opinion?

I think it's 2 of you/Aureal/GE?

Unless there was some wacky bussing on D1

[furtiveglance]

The f you mean “unless there was wacky bussing” 2 of your scumspects were on the wagon? Where the hell does this “unless” come into play, seems like you already think that’s the case?

I think I already established I only really TR Drew and Hu Tao slots for their positioning - everyone else could easily have bussed.

'Wacky bussing' = early bussing.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: furtive

only post all game is to E-1 me at 7?

really looks like you tr that drew slot...

So I can't question this?

[furtiveglance]

cause if anything 1629 to me looks like you want to go that way.. "oh I'd vote enchant!!" cause if I tr someone I don't go "wow the only thing you did all game was e-1 me"

Ok so you're making up a scenario in which I want to vote Enchant. That's cool I guess

It's literally a fact, that's the only thing Enchant's posted...right?

I'm pointing out a fact.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: furtive

only post all game is to E-1 me at 7?

really looks like you tr that drew slot...

So I can't question this?

well you said your scum pool is aureal and gamma/me yet you're questioning outside that? why not convince me to vote aureal?

'Questioning outside that'...I'm reacting to what's happening.

why not convince me to vote aureal?

or does that not work cause that's your partner?

I haven't *not* convinced you to vote Aureal either...I haven't voted yet.

[furtiveglance]

cause if anything 1629 to me looks like you want to go that way.. "oh I'd vote enchant!!" cause if I tr someone I don't go "wow the only thing you did all game was e-1 me"

Ok so you're making up a scenario in which I want to vote Enchant. That's cool I guess

It's literally a fact, that's the only thing Enchant's posted...right?

I'm pointing out a fact.

That fact has side effects of bring pointed out though.

Both you and Andante have taken it to mean ENCHANT SO SCUMMY OMG but it's my genuine reaction of just...whattt? your only post is to E-1 me on what could be the penultimate day? No engagement, nothing?

[furtiveglance]

I haven't *not* convinced you to vote Aureal either...I haven't voted yet.

your reaction to being on e-1 right now also isn't amazing, I mean you have scum down to exactly gamma and aureal from my pov, also sr me, but whatever. CAn I hear the cases there?

I told you, Enchant/Hu Tao reads are pure D1 VCA.

As for dropping HPE from the remaining 4, it's just a guess.

[furtiveglance]

I haven't *not* convinced you to vote Aureal either...I haven't voted yet.

your reaction to being on e-1 right now also isn't amazing, I mean you have scum down to exactly gamma and aureal from my pov, also sr me, but whatever. CAn I hear the cases there?

I told you, Enchant/Hu Tao reads are pure D1 VCA.

As for dropping HPE from the remaining 4, it's just a guess.

why are we dropping HPE?

Mindmelded with HPE for a lot of the game and the early vote on another player in POE (Aureal) today struck me as town-indicative.

[furtiveglance]

it's just a guess.

not sure why, but someone complaining about enchant only voting on penultimate day, then claiming their reads are "just a guess" feels WILD to me

?

Enchant has not made any other posts this game. That is what's wild.

[furtiveglance]

we're 1600 posts into a game, and you cleared 2 people off interactions from a d1 bus, everything else comes down to this guess?? I find it really hard to believe we're actually scumhunting here

[furtiveglance]

it's just a guess.

not sure why, but someone complaining about enchant only voting on penultimate day, then claiming their reads are "just a guess" feels WILD to me

?

Enchant has not made any other posts this game. That is what's wild.

so drew's posts/interactions don't matter?

Of course they do. I just said I TR the slot for what Drew did.

There are perfectly good reasons to be unhappy with this level of engagement from a slot I think is town.