In post 1062, Hu Tao wrote:
Man. I was about to come into today upset at koba. Because Lap's claim sounded like it was there to find miller's. But I was also going to say koba was probably town for it because of Lap's role. But now I'm shook. Also why would scum even kill the Miller claim.
I'm upset Lap went out but it is what it is. I think Drew is town from that, so at least there's that.
I’ve made thoughts on other stuff I’ll share after school later, but just for now why does drew look good? Wouldn’t it have been normal to wait a day and let lap either claim some results or be killed overnight? Why rush to the hammer?
In post 1077, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Mhm, wolves probably have Godfathers to any degree and their announcement is probably the thing one thing that isn't normal.
Godfathers are normal now.
Godfathers are normal
if announced beforehand
Wait so it has to be announced that Godfathers are in the game? Does that mean the innos are real?
there’s no way we’re allowed a million innos a night without a catch
In post 958, DkKoba wrote:
doing a readslist now i realized that arko hasnt posted for quite a while lmao but i remember them being fairly towny in posting
In post 1062, Hu Tao wrote:
Man. I was about to come into today upset at koba. Because Lap's claim sounded like it was there to find miller's. But I was also going to say koba was probably town for it because of Lap's role. But now I'm shook. Also why would scum even kill the Miller claim.
I'm upset Lap went out but it is what it is. I think Drew is town from that, so at least there's that.
I’ve made thoughts on other stuff I’ll share after school later, but just for now why does drew look good? Wouldn’t it have been normal to wait a day and let lap either claim some results or be killed overnight? Why rush to the hammer?
I like that ketchup is picking up on this because I also thought the way Drew handled Lap's claim was kinda scummy
If we assume all Godfather team then scum would be considering:
I don't think assuming everyone is cop is likelier for scum than assuming there's like Tracker or Role Cop or Traffic Analyst that would get a guilty on GF anyways
Good point, but also not good point. It’s possible we had 2/3 of these roles and the godfathers were useless, but either way scum are incentivised to vote out the disloyal cop Laplacian asap
In post 1157, ketchup777 wrote:
Good point, but also not good point. It’s possible we had 2/3 of these roles and the godfathers were useless, but either way scum are incentivised to vote out the disloyal cop Laplacian asap
Why not just shoot lap at night?
somewhat fair point I suppose. I think it’s slightly optimal to take lap out asap, especially in a questionable setup where there could be a follow the cop strat?
In post 1157, ketchup777 wrote:
Good point, but also not good point. It’s possible we had 2/3 of these roles and the godfathers were useless, but either way scum are incentivised to vote out the disloyal cop Laplacian asap
Why not just shoot lap at night?
somewhat fair point I suppose. I think it’s slightly optimal to take lap out asap, especially in a questionable setup where there could be a follow the cop strat?
I think scum would just take the risk and shoot lap at night and that there's enough ambiguity that there's no way for scum to predict everyone being cop that everyone with d1 cop equity is probably town and everyone with d1 anti-cop equity is probably scum
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Post #1191 (isolation #222) » Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:39 am
Postby ketchup777 »
In post 1190, Hu Tao wrote:
I just realized. Scum knows the setup that's why they killed koba. Cause they must have assumed miller's were innocent results in this setup
In post 1086, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I assume this is why you questioned my reasoning for suspecting the claim Drew? And I assume this is why the claim had Koba and yourself jump on it so quickly and confidently
Yes and yes...
I thought I was dead overnight cause I was so quick to think it was a fake claim
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Post #1225 (isolation #226) » Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:10 am
Postby ketchup777 »
In post 1211, Ranger wrote:
I feel like the game can be nearly entirely broken by looking at the current claims compared to End of Day actions, as well as looking for the pre-heavy-cop play.
I’ll be busy today, yet plan to investigate tomorrow.
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Post #1229 (isolation #228) » Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:25 am
Postby ketchup777 »
In post 1228, Political Clout wrote:
I checked Titus. Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted I'm at work rn. Be back later.
perfect, thank you. when you come back, say why titus. in the meantime, i'll create a who claimed to investigate who+when post, before other things
In post 1211, Ranger wrote:
I feel like the game can be nearly entirely broken by looking at the current claims compared to End of Day actions, as well as looking for the pre-heavy-cop play.
I’ll be busy today, yet plan to investigate tomorrow.
yeah we absolutely cannot rush today
On that note; I’m at l-3. Your vote + Enchant + PC.
I believe you’re all town, which leaves me theoretically within scum pile on hammer range.
In post 1273, JacksonVirgo wrote:As soon as Koba flipped I knew what we were dealing with, it's obvious is it not? Drew caught it, as did I and Titus did too hence their claim.
Was it?
That’s the issue.
What made it all cops, not just three or four?
It wasn’t obvious to me.
It isn’t something which is clearly the case, just from two different Cop flips.
Yes, everyone looking would suspect shenanigans via knowing they are a third Cop.
What
confirmed
it was shenanigans, and what made it not worth sitting on?
For instance, you and Drew remained ambiguous. When reading, I didn’t know you were referring to Cop shenanigans. "Notice something?" Could have meant anything. You didn’t hint at an innocent and neither did Drew. Neither of you indicated you had investigated.
Why didn’t Titus do similarly?
Why did she get explicit and not leave things vague?
Especially given it’s
Titus
, whose modus operandi is vagueness in claims?
while I make no comment on Titus' slot, I agree that I went from believing it was a 1cop-multimiller setup, to a 2cop overnight, to a 3 cop after the flip. I thought the funny thing was that there'd be 3 of us counterclaiming, and my mind didn't immediately jump to all cops until I saw that there'd been like 2+4=6 claimed/proven cops in a short timespan
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Post #1314 (isolation #238) » Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:11 am
Postby ketchup777 »
In post 1301, usesPython wrote:
I think not seeing anything wrong with Laps cop claim as a cop is pretty bad
Unfortunately I might be biased, because I knew Lap’s claim was real (by checking the end of the thread) before I read through the final 100 posts of day 1. However, when I saw his cop flip, though a surprise, I was like oh! of course there’s more than one cop haha that makes sense
I imagine I would have believed him if I were there at the time too
I don’t buy all this certainty that a cop thinks there can’t be two cops, we’re in a QUESTIONABLE game. Why not stop and think about how that could actually be fair? Why rush?
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Post #1316 (isolation #239) » Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:14 am
Postby ketchup777 »
Anyway, we need to coordinate our cops incase scum have 1+ non-godfathers. but also it’s possible mafia have a roleblock (tho no one claimed roleblock last night yet). I’d like to wait until light claims before I suggest some ideas
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Post #1318 (isolation #240) » Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:15 am
Postby ketchup777 »
In post 1315, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Playing on this site has conditioned me, and others, to think an ungated Cop is already busted so multiple just digs into your brain as "this isn't right" regardless of a questionable game. There's a reason why I voted them, and then backed out when I came to my senses.
Oh yeah actually you behaved how I think makes sense actually.
Drew went all in, not taking the time to think, and quoting Kobas post about him being the hammer as a lame excuse to hammer. hmmm
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Post #1321 (isolation #241) » Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:16 am
Postby ketchup777 »
In post 1317, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Cops are the new VT. There's going to be sprinkled roles like the Disloyal but mostly they're the new VT, no point in coordinating anything really.
I think we want to make sure we have at least 2 people check everyone if possible. As noones claiming miller it’s possible a normal cop gets lucky
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Post #1327 (isolation #243) » Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:20 am
Postby ketchup777 »
I might just not have had the strength of cop put into perspective. But I can’t see how hammering a cop in a known suspicious setup can gain when we have over 7 days to sort the slot. it’s too risky.
In post 1315, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Playing on this site has conditioned me, and others, to think an ungated Cop is already busted so multiple just digs into your brain as "this isn't right" regardless of a questionable game. There's a reason why I voted them, and then backed out when I came to my senses.
Oh yeah actually you behaved how I think makes sense actually.
Drew went all in, not taking the time to think, and quoting Kobas post about him being the hammer as a lame excuse to hammer. hmmm
If someone claims a role in hammer range that you "know" is bullshit then you're probably gonna hammer, this is also why Koba was pushing Drew to hammer
Maybe. I feel like im never going to hammer anyone unless the time is absolutely right tbh. there’s so much to lose! and so little to gain!
In post 1327, ketchup777 wrote:
I might just not have had the strength of cop put into perspective. But I can’t see how hammering a cop in a known suspicious setup can gain when we have over 7 days to sort the slot. it’s too risky.
cyclical point tho so im just waiting on light
Imagine if both cops live to d3 with 3 of the people they checked still alive. Thats 3 checks + 2 cops out of 9 people still alive, a 3/4 chance of hitting scum through pure POE
Yes, I can see how 2 cops in a normal setup would be swingy as hell and potential to be very op.
But this isn’t a normal game.
Why not stop and consider alternatives? Drew didn’t immediately hammer and he didn’t think about it either. He merely mediated, seemingly testing the waters rather than actually thinking about the validity of the claim, before suspiciously taking out Lap
I came up with it overnight in an attempt to divert maf away from killing me if it was a 2 cop setup. Then I maybe tried too hard to make it work and I thought I had to get it out quickly after replying to the thread, but I hadn’t read that everyone was cop at this point
In post 1352, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Go for it, check in the pool that hasn't been checked yet. I won't take part in mech discussions as I don't think it's of worth to do so, in fact I think it'll harm us more than anything if people get too swept away with the mech (coming from someone who doesn't think it goes further than Cop = named VT)
Especially since everyone got an inno??
Obviously there are more than likely some bad cops here as well(social commentary ftw)
Yeah, I doubt there's even a possibility of a wolf being red-checkable by a Cop. I also think we threw away a lot of our possible utility (if we have more) as it stands with every cop claiming innos bar a few people. I don't want to make it worse.
It only went badly because Ranger mysteriously not-so-cryptically claimed to not be a normal cop, so now we might be completely screwed PRwise.
In post 1352, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Go for it, check in the pool that hasn't been checked yet. I won't take part in mech discussions as I don't think it's of worth to do so, in fact I think it'll harm us more than anything if people get too swept away with the mech (coming from someone who doesn't think it goes further than Cop = named VT)
Especially since everyone got an inno??
Obviously there are more than likely some bad cops here as well(social commentary ftw)
i still feel like there’s probably 1 maf we can get out. If Light claims cop, we can assign 2 people to check each of the 5 remaining people. Then the next night we can double up on the people who only have 1 claimed inno. We might get lucky, we might not, but it could do something.
Who even thought checking me is good idea, if i am mafia i most likely policied anyway and if i am town, you need to take my potato head in consideration as conftown. I don't really get what you were thinking.
I thought getting info on a slot with no posts made sense