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how am i going to play this game without vomiting every time i look at the screen
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we love that for you-
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VOTE: Tenshi Hinanawi-
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i'm currently getting townvibes from Clownpiece, Yuuka, and Ichirin
i think Tenshi's posts surrounding the account name vs. role name discussion sound a little awkward, feels like she's jumping at the chance to talk about something to seem like she's contributing without really saying anything
i also don't really like Daiyousei's entrance but she defended my honor so she gets a free pass for the first ten pages-
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i'm bored and can't fall back asleep, someone come hang out with me-
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it's a gut thing, nothing specific. i think my lack of flavor knowledge is contributing to my dislike of that post more than anything
and i never trust anyone who looks like they're having fun when playing mafia
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i feel the oppositeIn post 52, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role
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i like Sanae for her interaction with Tenshi and think scum in Sanae's position would dig their feet in a little more or longer instead of immediately backpedaling after Tenshi's explanation and allowing that wagon to lose steam
actually i have been mindmelding with Sanae A LOT for it being so early in the game and that is encouraging
fwiw i like Tenshi's explanation and my suspicion has been neutralized there
VOTE: Daiyousei this is probably just scum tho
and i don't think it's because i'm not vibing with the roleplay (i don't want to discourage the roleplay btw, do what is fun for you! i am just bitter about not knowing the flavor and being left out of the joke )-
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@Kagerou is your Clownpiece vote a remnant of RVS and if not, can you go into why you're still voting there?-
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i am realizing now how incredibly difficult this game is going to be without flavor knowledge
i am mixing up similar avatars AND similar names already-
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and yes i went back on my promise to leave Daiyousei alone for ten pages
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can you explain why?In post 153, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
my clownpiece vote has been serious from the beginningIn post 149, Eternity Larva wrote: @Kagerou is your Clownpiece vote a remnant of RVS and if not, can you go into why you're still voting there?-
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Koishi Komeiji occupies the same spot in my mind as Daiyousei btw
one-off questions and comments that don't seem to lead anywhere
not atrocious this early on but worthy of wagoning for sure!
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i mean i would argue that at the time of Clownpiece's entrance they were the first one to actually do something ~spicy and give people in the game something to talk about (outside of the miller claim, in which the majority of the discussion came later)In post 162, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
i'd rather keep it vague for now but on top of not looking like they're solving (which granted maybe that's just how i view things) they've been trying to distract people from pushing fowards the gameIn post 156, Eternity Larva wrote:
can you explain why?In post 153, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
my clownpiece vote has been serious from the beginningIn post 149, Eternity Larva wrote: @Kagerou is your Clownpiece vote a remnant of RVS and if not, can you go into why you're still voting there?
that may be an overly generous interpretation of their early posts and i'm nowhere near married to that townread but based on that i am struggling to buy that this was your initial reason for voting when i viewed it in the exact opposite way
i've disagreed with a lot of your takes so far so while i will respect you keeping the reasons vague for now i'm hoping you'll be able to fully elaborate at some point so i can actually parse if there's something more to that or if it's merely a playstyle difference-
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can you go into more detail on each of these?
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other than Kagerou i am falling into my usual trap of townreading all the active players
it doesn't make it any easier that they're all buddying me-
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this is a good postIn post 182, Marisa Kirisame wrote: Meeeeep
I continue to townread both Kagerou-Chan and Kochiya-Sama. And they are getting townier by the moment with their townreads on Larva-San. And yet it seems like they keep scumreading each other, and all I can do is yell meeeep and hope they start working together so we can vote the scumsters soon.-
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@Ichirin please see my flawless and sheep-worthy case on Daiyousei below
yes this was directed towards Koishi but it can be inferred that i feel similarly about DaiyouseiIn post 158, Eternity Larva wrote: Koishi Komeiji occupies the same spot in my mind as Daiyousei btw
one-off questions and comments that don't seem to lead anywhere
not atrocious this early on but worthy of wagoning for sure!
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i did not like Dai's first couple posts on a gut level, which i initially wrote off because they leaned into the roleplay that i barely understood
as the game progressed, Dai was sitting in the sweet spot of active lurker that i'd expect scum to occupy, hence my vote
the amount of words i devoted to this read has already eclipsed the level of confidence i have in it, it's really not that deep
PEDIT: oh the "just scum" is what bothers you
i like to be overdramatic to apply pressure sometimes
i can confirm that i am not locked into a Dai scum read based on her six posts-
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eh i'm not really feeling the Ichirin votes
the below post reads as a genuine town reaction to the sudden burst of votes
and while i can see where Ichirin could be perceived as nitpicking at my unexplained read i don't think it was such an outrageous thing to point out. the amount of criticism sie's receiving for it feels incongruent and unwarrantedIn post 254, Ichirin Kumoi wrote: Oh. I look away for a few minutes and by the time I post again there's 3 people on me.
Koishi's questions from the last page (266 and 270) are contributing to the pile on and egging on the criticism without looking like a genuine attempt to ascertain Ichirin's alignment
and Yuuka specifically felt like she entered into that engagement deliberately looking for a fight by calling Ichrin's posts bad multiple times for reasons i cannot gather from reading the last couple pages
it feels icky in multiple places
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i should go back and remember why i was townreading Yuuka outside the initial miller claim-
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of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin
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i want to walk this back a bit and clarify that i don't necessarily think that all three are scummy for the push, i actually liked Clown's posts during that exchange.In post 304, Eternity Larva wrote: of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin
and deserves more votes for their transgressions
i do think that Ichirin's catchup posts were fine and hir reaction to the naked votes and subsequent pressure seems genuine, which is why i felt the need to jump to hir defense when it felt like people were piling on and Koishi specifically was sniping from the side with no visible effort to actually sort hir.
but i admit that Ichirin's early posts are weaker than i remembered and can understand Yuuka's passion more when revisiting Ichirin's ISO.-
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Koishi can you explain what you were looking for with this question?In post 266, Koishi Komeiji wrote: why would you be ok with dying if Larva explains what she was doing
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ok
i feel a lot of the weirdness in the response to the pressure can be written off as frustration at being run up for reasons that sie doesn't understand, and i explained previously why i'm more inclined to believe that reaction was more likely to come from town than scum
your point about TMI is interesting though and not something i caught initially
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my kneejerk reaction was that Koishi was subtly adding to the pressure on Ichirin while remaining under with the radar with their patented "ask questions that don't really matter to look like i'm contributing" strategy, while Yuuka and Clown were doing all the heavy lifting with that exchange, later avoiding accountability in the event Ichirin is ultimately mis-eliminatedIn post 318, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
Go a little deeper on this because I think from koichi and ichirins interactions, koichi has a clear mindset behind their posting and it tracks pretty well.In post 304, Eternity Larva wrote: of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin
and deserves more votes for their transgressions
but i do feel a bit better with Koishi's explanation and can buy that perspective-
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Reisen can you elaborate on your 'ew' pile? Our reads seem to align in that regard but i want to know why you feel that way-
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i think it would be safer for scum to opt for an appeasing approach in that situation instead of antagonize everyone voting hir and characterize the pressure as an "assault", lolIn post 324, Koishi Komeiji wrote:
ok and what differentiates that from scum frustration that they are being run up when they think they did nothing wrong?In post 319, Eternity Larva wrote: i feel a lot of the weirdness in the response to the pressure can be written off as frustration at being run up for reasons that sie doesn't understand
whereas i buy that frustration from town who is in the midst of a catchup and receives three votes out of nowhere, i can see how that would be demoralizing after returning to the game after being absent for a large chunk of it
sure, it's not impossible to be scum fabricating that reaction to seem town, but it's pretty aggressive for potential scum who has practically zero footing in the game-
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i think i have exhausted this topic
VOTE: Daiyousei
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i guess i'd join a Kagerou wagon too but i think that read deserves more thought and reevaluation than i am currently capable of-
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my recent interaction with Koishi was encouraging but not necessarily absolving of previous scummy behavior, i'm at a 'wait-and-see' with them for now
what happened to your Clownpiece read?-
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^ that was in response to Reisen-
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i will be fairly inactive through Monday, other than a few opportunities to post here and there
i plan to reread the game upon my return because i am concerned i have too many townreads and the people i've been not-town reading keep saying things that make me doubt myself which is annoying
i am feeling good about Clownpiece, Sanae, and Marisa for town, in that order
Ichirin is also close to this tier but not quite to the level of the three listed above, for the townie reaction to their wagon that Koishi is still desperately trying to get me to concede could come from scum
i am leaning town on Yuuka still but to be fair this read probably deserves more in depth reevaluation
Tenshi had a solid and imo townie defense to some pressure earlier but has done next to nothing since, so gun-to-head town but i will need more from her to cement that one way or another
Kaguya, Reisen, and Aya are slots i feel nothing about and will be one of my focuses upon reread. i will say i had even had some townpings from Reisen and Aya but nothing strong enough in either direction to make me commit
Dai and Koishi continue to mirror each other when it comes to how i feel about them, as indicated preivously, their early questions and one-off posts came across as surface level and a way to look engaged with the game without contributing anything. however Koishi has dulled that suspicion a bit with our interaction about Ichirin (even though i am growing irritated with being asked the same question in different ways over and over again >_<).
on a similar note i thought Dai's most recent post was great and conveyed the thoughts i found difficult to articulate about Kagerou. basically Koishi and Dai's body of work overall leans scum, but there have been a couple glimmers of towny-ness that shake my confidence
My only fairly solid scum read at this point is Kagerou and even that's pretty...loose? there are some posts that made me feel good on a tone level but i agree with Dai about the bulk of the ISO is pretty fluffy and i see Kagerou has over fifty posts but their actual impact this game does not at all correlate with what i expect based on their high level of activity
from what i can tell there also hasn't been much in terms of reads outside of the Clownpiece scum read (i now see the reads list provided with some interesting takes that i will look into more when i return) which she pretty much refused to elaborate on, and the reasoning she did provide also never sat well with me to begin with and came from the first page. it's difficult for me to buy that into the fact that her opinion on Clownpiece has not changed or evolved since the beginning of the game, especially since Clownpiece is my largest town read, which leads me to believe she is just holding onto it because she needs a strong opinion that goes against the grain
those are all my thoughts for now, please feel free to poke at or ask questions about anything. i am thinking this will be a game where i focus on identifying and locking in town reads and just pushing to eliminate within 'what's left'
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@Kagerou i know you said reading the thread is difficult right now but i am most interested in your detailed reads on Clownpiece and Sanae when you get around to it-
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the difference is that frustrated scum has incentive to control themselves and temper their reaction in that situation, frustrated town does not (or at least, has LESS incentive to do so). scum are concerned about survival and antagonizing your wagoners is one of the worst ways to get them off your back, so i guess the way she channeled her frustration does not really align with the mindset i'd expect scum to have. i would still expect genuinely frustrated scum to manipulate the situation in their favor, and i do not sense any sort of manipulation or utilization of that frustration to gain an upper hand in this caseIn post 346, Koishi Komeiji wrote:
I'm not saying Ichi is mafia faking frustration, my point was how do you differentiate between scum frustration and town frustration?In post 327, Eternity Larva wrote:
i think it would be safer for scum to opt for an appeasing approach in that situation instead of antagonize everyone voting hir and characterize the pressure as an "assault", lol
whereas i buy that frustration from town who is in the midst of a catchup and receives three votes out of nowhere, i can see how that would be demoralizing after returning to the game after being absent for a large chunk of it
sure, it's not impossible to be scum fabricating that reaction to seem town, but it's pretty aggressive for potential scum who has practically zero footing in the game
For example if Ichi is mafia and Ichi doesn't think she did anything wrong but got hit with three quick votes, Ichi!scum could also feel frustrated about how unfair it is.
I'm asking why do you think this frustration is indicative of town frustration rather than just general frustration with the game state?
yes, scum frustration exists. it is not impossible that Ichi's frustration comes from scum. what i am trying to convey is that i am leaning town on her reaction based on on the things i've pointed out previously
i don't really know what more you want on this point, i feel like we're going in circles and i'm explaining the same thing in different ways over and over again-
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hi everyone I’m a little drunkies have we caught any scum?!?-
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welcome! maybe you can town up your slot if you’re actually town because i was struggling with Koishi 1.0-
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i kinda think Aya is town-
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that question is too profound for me to answer in my current state-
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i do not like this post from old KoishiIn post 396, Koishi Komeiji wrote: I do think you're p townie and you want to be "right" on this point.-
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still reading up but can you explain why you’d characterize this as Aya defending her scum partner vs. any other alignment combination?In post 579, Sanae Kochiya wrote:
@Aya for some reason this post really rubbed me the wrong way, particularly the bolded. I can see you writing this as partners with IchirinIn post 255, Aya Shameimaru wrote:
A dastardly deed indeed! Though, this intrepid reporter has a follow up, if you have the time.In post 252, Clownpiece wrote:
Her content has been so far limited to setup spec and her opinion on the mod color.In post 251, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Clownpiece, Clownpiece, a moment of your goofy time, if you could! What would you say is the driving force behind this wagon?Does scum tend to make themselves this unlikeable and overt in an anonymous game?This field reporter is doubtful!
i agree that the bolded is bothersome but associating Ichirin with Aya for this post feels shoehorned and out of nowhere-
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i want Aya to redirect her energy into engaging outside of the Sanae/Yuuka/Clownpiece back-and-forth as that entire interaction was pretty much a wash in terms of actually generating a read on her.
there was some mindmeld with her stance on Ichirin's reaction to the sudden wagon and even moreso with her pointing out Sanae's progression on the Aya/Ichirin associations, as that is something that also stood out to me as odd. but even after reading her explanation like three times, the T/S designation of Sanae and Yuuka still does not land with me and if there was any line of thought she's showcased that looks like she's trying to capitalize or look town off the "drama" of her recent interactions, it's this one. almost like she's expected to have an opinion on the people she's engaging so she threw that out there to keep up the appearance that she's generating reads/opinions on the people interacting with her
but i am fairly certain i know who Aya's main is and struggling to contribute meaningfully is not at all how i would characterize her scum game. it is probably silly (and also against the spirit of the game) to base a read off of this assumption so i will likely ignore it moving forward
all of these words amount to a very noncommittal "let her talk about other stuff to make her more readable"
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Reisen is a slot that has been weirdly written off for reasons i have yet to identify and they are the only player in this whole game that hasn't had one post that made me think "this comes from town"-
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i am feeling a little less engaged with this game right now mostly because i'm struggling to reconcile my desire town-bloc to and PoE scum BECAUSE of my large amount of townreads with acknowledging the fact that i need to raise my standards when it comes to assigning townreads in the first place
maybe that's day 2 Larva's problem-
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VOTE: Reisen Udongein Inaba-
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i am still not townreading Kagerou, but my hang up echoes the sentiments shared by several others that i don't see why they'd be so purposefully difficult/contrary as scum here
i sense that Kagerou has the charisma and ability to be more agreeable in a natural way as scum and have avoided placing themselves in the limelight so early. i'm not sensing any attempt at utilizing these skills to manipulate or gain an upper hand in this situation. i am also getting townpings from their posts referencing being happy with their contributions to the gamestate in response myself and others going after their fluffy ISO
i think writing this post has me slightly SLIGHTLY leaning town there after all? but slight town leans are basically scum leans this game so not much has changed i guess-
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@Kagerou, your largest scum read, Clownpiece, is basically a universal town read at this point. do you find this problematic in any way? is there a reason you're not fighting harder to get people to see what you're seeing?-
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is your scum read (?) on me entirely due to my defense of Ichirin? if so, what about our interaction looks like scum partners vs. me just genuinely townreading Ichirin? if not, please elaborate on why you are scum reading meIn post 645, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
Anyway, focusing on Ichirin I find myself agreeing with the clown. Koichi might have been on to something and I brushed that half of the conversation aside.In post 619, Clownpiece wrote: I am gonna largely pretend that that last Sanae and Aya exchange does not exist, because engaging with it feels icky, but
I have seen this voiced a couple times (it may have been Aya both times, but I *think* it was actually someone else the first time, but I have not looked back).In post 600, Aya Shameimaru wrote: I'm saying that if Ichirin was scum she came out and chose violence.
But like... my interpretation of Ichirin's response was the exact opposite. Her response did feel like it was designed to appease her voters, but it just back fired.
She immediately went and found a New and Novel thing to be suspicious of, and double and tripled down on it (to a silly degree imo), when the main accusation was that there was no sign of solving from her, and it felt like she was avoiding questioning her voters - like her goal was just to change our minds.
It was not until Yuuka kept being so aggressive that she started to snap back at one of her voters.
But I didn’t like how little interest ichirin showed in pursuing their voters till yuuka bit in. Eternity being a teammate makes sense to me and brings it all in together. I didn’t really see them calling out eternity as alignment indicative in the moment, just a weird way to look at the game. I see the theater potential though.-
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my fun and unique hot take that i am still not townreading Koishi overall even with 2.0 doing their best to redeem that slot!-
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many of the things i've mentioned previously still bother me and ring trueIn post 848, Sanae Kochiya wrote: Ooooh that is a pretty hot take
What don't you like about the slot?
and a whole bunch of paranoia
a lot of their interactions with me since replacing in feel like they are trying to endear themselves and do damage control, which skeeves me out as that slot's primary detractor throughout the game. the buddying feels like they came in with the intention of getting me on their good side to alleviate a lot of the pressure on them. maybe i just think too highly of myself and my influence on this game
for example, lumping me in with the list of high activity posters when my post count was pretty middle of the road at the time did not sit well with me. i am fine with an independent town read on me but nothing like that has been substantiated unless i missed it, which leaves me wondering what i did to crack their townbloc in the first place-
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i am starting to feel similarly about Marisa which makes me sad and while i do identify with the instinct to town-bloc and PoE scum in a game like this it's hard for me to understand her mindset on the five slots she wants in the pool for elimination. they seem a little arbitrary and safe to me, and her position on many of them have not really evolved, when my mind is constantly changing on most of the playerlist every time i read a new post
and she is one of the ones that has written Reisen off for ambiguous reasons which has earned her some side-eye
i like that Kaguya directed some attention her way actually, i think that'd be a weird vote for scum to make as there was practically no voiced suspicion of Marisa at the time-
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In post 853, Koishi Komeiji wrote:My real hope out of the way I've approached this day so far is that somebody would push against the consensus and give reasons to NOT town read me in a super obvtown sort of way and it just paid off magnificently.
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i felt paranoid at the large amount of town reads i was getting early game but didn't dwell on it because i had town reads on most of the people vocalizing them and no one tried to over explain or justifyIn post 861, Koishi Komeiji wrote: I really only care about the paranoia part, as far as explanations from Larvitar at this point.
What makes me in particular paranoia-worthy?
you have every motivation to endear yourself to me as scum, so lumping me in with your "high activity town reads" is just a weird justification and aligns with how i'd expect scum in your position to handle me
you specifically greeted me as soon as i entered the thread after you replaced in
you called out a post of mine that was largely inconsequential and made a point to emphasize how it was "the most relatable post"
you've made more than one joke about continuing our back-and-forth to make my blood boil
nothing bad on its own, and honestly you do seem like a fun person to hang out with! but all of it together feels like a pattern and comes across as calculated-
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i cannot return the favor-
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Koishi i've seen several town reads from you, but do you have any scum reads and if so can you provide some detail on them?-
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also Dai while you're here, do you have any non-Kagerou scum reads at this point?
i love your relentless passion on that front but i recently detailed why i'm doubting that scum read a bit, what are your thoughts on that?-
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@Marisa can you respond to this when you can? some more on your Reisen read and whether there's been any deviation to your elimination pool would be specifically helpful!In post 857, Eternity Larva wrote: i am starting to feel similarly about Marisa which makes me sad and while i do identify with the instinct to town-bloc and PoE scum in a game like this it's hard for me to understand her mindset on the five slots she wants in the pool for elimination. they seem a little arbitrary and safe to me, and her position on many of them have not really evolved, when my mind is constantly changing on most of the playerlist every time i read a new post
and she is one of the ones that has written Reisen off for ambiguous reasons which has earned her some side-eye
i like that Kaguya directed some attention her way actually, i think that'd be a weird vote for scum to make as there was practically no voiced suspicion of Marisa at the time-
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Tenshi is also worthy of the Reisen treatment-
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convince meIn post 885, Marisa Kirisame wrote: What do you think about voting Daiyousei? It seems you are all very divided. But to win we must unite!
not against it, but there's probably two or three i'd want eliminated before Daiyousei-
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but Tenshi that’s SO much work and opens me up to having to second-guess myself again which is getting to be an exhausting schtick at this point
i’d rather just vaguely shade you and not do anything about it, hoping my phenomenal reputation and influence is intimidating enough for you to town it up if you’re town or crack under the immense pressure of my disapproval if you’re scum
does that work for you?-
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