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Post #77 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:43 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
DkKoba's play is reminding me of the player Not_Mafia with the same avatar who always hammers when a player reaches L-1 without claiming. I read the setup and if I see a pr get hammered without claiming at L-1 then I will assume the player who hammered is scum.
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Post #84 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:49 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
I've played with Shadow before and on his signature it says he is v/la on the weekends and he doesn't post at all on the weekends and he ends up coming back on the weekdays.
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Post #96 (isolation #9) » Sun Jan 14, 2024 3:13 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
In post 23, DkKoba wrote:
btw fun fact in completed games i have only randed mafia twice in the past 2 years and that was each a year apart. this game has continued a fortuitous streak of town rands.
i am afraid of being extremely rusty in my next scum rand
The reason for my vote is that vulpix's posts felt a bit cautious to me, particularly 84 which doesn't feel like a massively natural response for someone who doesn't 'get the joke' on the shadow wagon - I'd expect them to push back on it like black and hpe did. Also, 77 felt off coming from someone who apparently knows Koba.
Can you explain what do you mean by cautious?
I don't understand on what you're saying on this post when you talked about me not getting the jokes on them. At first the votes did look like rvs and once when I saw Shadow being discussed some more about not showing up, it didn't look like a joke to me and I started wondering maybe the players have never played with Shadow and I wanted to clear this up through my experience with Shadow.
Can you also elaborate on what what do you find that's off about 77
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Post #160 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:28 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
In post 155, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.
It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?
In post 155, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.
It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?
- A
Shadow is locktown for me rn because scum would absolutely not bus their partner before they even show up to the game lmao.
How is Shadow locktown when me, 2 Rogues, DkKoba, and Black have not voted Shadow?
In post 155, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
It's possible albeit improbable that scum split themselves up, with one being on Shadow while that was hot and another going onto Ausuka. More likely however is one in six is scum and the outlier is in Flare Fluff or the Rogues.
It looks like you are basing your reads on wagon analysis which is not helpful for reads and it's better to look at the content of the posts. Are you town reading Shadow and Ausuka since you said you suspected there could have been scum on their wagon?
- A
Shadow is locktown for me rn because scum would absolutely not bus their partner before they even show up to the game lmao.
How is Shadow locktown when me, 2 Rogues, DkKoba, and Black have not voted Shadow?
- A
This one is townreading Black, Koba said they'd hammer Shadow, and if both scum are in the hydrae this one will be forced to scream.
I'm trying to look through your pov and if I was in your pov figuring out Shadow's alignment and if he is scum, I would be guessing the only options who he could be scum with are the other 2 hydra slots.
How are you clearing the 2 hydra slots on not being paired with Shadow?
The reason for my vote is that vulpix's posts felt a bit cautious to me, particularly 84 which doesn't feel like a massively natural response for someone who doesn't 'get the joke' on the shadow wagon - I'd expect them to push back on it like black and hpe did. Also, 77 felt off coming from someone who apparently knows Koba.
Can you explain what do you mean by cautious?
I don't understand on what you're saying on this post when you talked about me not getting the jokes on them. At first the votes did look like rvs and once when I saw Shadow being discussed some more about not showing up, it didn't look like a joke to me and I started wondering maybe the players have never played with Shadow and I wanted to clear this up through my experience with Shadow.
Can you also elaborate on what what do you find that's off about 77
- A
By cautious, I mean it feels deliberate and like you are holding back in some way?
Re: the second paragraph, I think if you thought we were being serious your reaction would have more "what the fuck" alongside it, similar to black and HPE.
I think 77 may come from an unnatural thought process because I don't believe the thought "Koba plays like Not_Mafia" is organic coming from someone who has played with Koba before. It feels constructed, like you thought "I should make a post about how I'm very concerned about eliminating people in RVS" and worked backwards from there, which I think scum are more likely to do.
Deliberate means purpose and so you think I made that post just to show off?
On the second paragraph to your post you thought a natural response would have been "what the fuck" about the wagon on Shadow about players not knowing he is vla on weekends? Saying a reaction like "what the fuck" looks like a weird response for clearing up why a player is absent in my opinion.
I disagree on the third paragraph. Players will change their playstyles out of the blue and seeing that DkKoba changed their avatar I was worried they changed their playstyle to a troll who would instantly hammer at L-1 without waiting for the player to claim. I know a player who changed his playstyle just to troll and for not wanting to take playing mafia seriously anymore.
The reason for my vote is that vulpix's posts felt a bit cautious to me, particularly 84 which doesn't feel like a massively natural response for someone who doesn't 'get the joke' on the shadow wagon - I'd expect them to push back on it like black and hpe did. Also, 77 felt off coming from someone who apparently knows Koba.
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Post #195 (isolation #22) » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:34 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
In post 180, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
The hydra slots could absolutely be scum, this one said you're the outliers of the pool that it said has exactly one scum in it, after all. This one doesn't understand what you mean by "I would be guessing the only options who he could be scum with are the other 2 hydra slots." though. Actually not sure what you're doing in general, you're hypothesizing scum!Shadow which this one believes to be extremely unlikely. Assuming that scum NEVER vote for their partner in RVS here, scum!Shadow could be aligned with me, Black, Koba (big maybe), you or the Rogues
possible, but i know me and A, slot is just full cuteness/fluff that is 100% town. so not us!
as for shadow, I am seeing them say they will be back on Tuesday.
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Post #302 (isolation #24) » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:54 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
I'm leaning scum on Ausuka. It looks like she is not trying to understand my pov. I'm used to town trying to understand my pov and she is not doing it and it looked like she twisted my post.
In post 188, Flare Fluff wrote:
Deliberate means purpose and so you think I made that post just to show off?
On the second paragraph to your post you thought a natural response would have been "what the fuck" about the wagon on Shadow about players not knowing he is vla on weekends? Saying a reaction like "what the fuck" looks like a weird response for clearing up why a player is absent in my opinion.
I disagree on the third paragraph. Players will change their playstyles out of the blue and seeing that DkKoba changed their avatar I was worried they changed their playstyle to a troll who would instantly hammer at L-1 without waiting for the player to claim. I know a player who changed his playstyle just to troll and for not wanting to take playing mafia seriously anymore.
- A
Where are you getting showing off from? Purpose means doing stuff for a reason. I think most of what scum does is just vibes and difficult (but not impossible) to catch, but some of the stuff they do is purposefully meant to advance their wincon and that's easier to aim for.
I didn't mean literally "what the fuck" but at least a little bit of bafflement, which again I think other players in this game did show so I don't think it would be particularly weird.
The third does make sense to me.
You said it felt I deliberately made that post which I interpretted the word deliberately as purpose. I fail to understand why you think town wouldn't do stuff.
In post 133, Roden wrote:
Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?
That's a weird question to ask right after your interaction with HPE. Do you have any thoughts of its alignment?
@Roden
I don't think it's town. It's claiming to be wary of quick hammers and flash wagons, but it didn't want to vote Shaddow even after the momentum there lulled. Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim. Either way, I don't see the town motivation for it.
I'm reading this post again and from my understanding on what HPE said, it didn't want there to be a quick hammer and flash wagon and it unvoted for a reason. It does make a little bit of sense why it didn't vote Shadow with Roden. Roden suspecting HPE for that I don't see how is it scum indicative.
In post 302, Flare Fluff wrote:
I'm used to town trying to understand my pov and she is not doing it and it looked like she twisted my post.
In post 304, Flare Fluff wrote:
I fail to understand why you think town wouldn't do stuff.
- A
I said your posts feel cautious, in the sense they came across as very deliberate. Town are more likely to post fluidly and say what comes to mind. A lot of scum players are more strategic in what they say and can often overthink things. I explained why I thought your posts fit this mold, but there is also an element of tone which is difficult to explain. I looked at other games from you, as I believe I mentioned, and didn't really get the same vibes so I thought it might be alignment indicative.
I find it baffling that I say that I agree with one of your points after thinking it over and immediately after you come in making the argument that I am not trying to understand your pov at all.
When you said you agreed with my points, it looked odd to me that you put me as possible scum on your readslist. Don't even bother on trying to meta read me. I have had over 20 players attempt to meta read me and they have all failed on reading me correctly except for 1 player who is retired.
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Post #315 (isolation #29) » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:47 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
In post 309, Ausuka wrote:
I didn't really meta you. I checked to see if something I thought was scummy was also true of their town games, which I do all the time and will continue to do.
I said I agreed with one point. I still think you are scummy overall. Also, I don't really think "you are not trying to understand my pov" really meshes as an argument with "you agreed with me but still said i am possible scum"
Can you answer me this question.
Your suspicion on me is for looking cautious on 84 and explain to me how is clearing up for players on why Shadow isn't posting is cautious to you? I am struggling to understand you.
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Post #325 (isolation #32) » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:29 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
In post 319, MargotRosa wrote:
Ok, initial thoughts are that the solve is in Black or HPE (one of the two, not both), TL1R and Shadow.
Ausuka is easy Town Lock and Koba's play seems too natural to me. It's been a while, and I'm rusty as hell with a bad streak thus far in the return, so take it all with a grain of salt, and I'll do another reread later today
About your initial thought, why did you think a solve is in Black or HPE? By Ausuka being a town lock, are you saying you normally find it easy to town lock Ausuka or are you town locking Ausuka in this game?
In post 321, Flare Fluff wrote:
I always scum read replacements and once when Margot is done with her catchup and reads list I'm probably going to scum read her too.
- A
I don't like how preemptive this feels. Why do you always scumread replacements?
It's the way how they give out their reads afterwards when they are done catching up and I scum read replacements who don't bother on catching up which looks like they are not trying to figure out the game.
In post 321, Flare Fluff wrote:
I always scum read replacements and once when Margot is done with her catchup and reads list I'm probably going to scum read her too.
- A
I don't like how preemptive this feels. Why do you always scumread replacements?
It's the way how they give out their reads afterwards when they are done catching up and I scum read replacements who don't bother on catching up which looks like they are not trying to figure out the game.
- A
But surely you've seen town replacements that have done both things before. It happens quite often. So it doesn't really make sense for you to automatically scumread replacements
I never said automatically. I said always and these definitions are not the same thing.
It feels like they are positioning themselves to hop on the Roden/Margot wagon
Plus I kinda wanna let Margot cook
That's not positioning on what I did. It was talking about my experience about replacements and I recently had an experience with a replacement I had from a completed game I felt bad about myself.
It feels like they are positioning themselves to hop on the Roden/Margot wagon
Plus I kinda wanna let Margot cook
you and ausuka have been on A about off, and now your narrating she positioning herself when she was previous explaining her reasons. lol if i didn't know better maybe you to are itching to get town out.
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Post #335 (isolation #37) » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:10 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
In post 328, Black wrote:
But surely you've seen town replacements that have done both things before. It happens quite often. So it doesn't really make sense for you to automatically scumread replacements
this is normal thing, imo. and seen people not liking scum roles only to sub out. it basically 50/50 but seen it more on other forums.
It feels like they are positioning themselves to hop on the Roden/Margot wagon
Plus I kinda wanna let Margot cook
you and ausuka have been on A about off, and now your narrating she positioning herself when she was previous explaining her reasons. lol if i didn't know better maybe you to are itching to get town out.
how many games have you played with A?
~H
It was just Ausuka who was going on about me being off. Black didn't really say much about me and instead either she read my post wrong or she is doing it on purpose pretending to play clueless. I've never played with Black before.
In post 226, Black wrote:
I think HPE's reactions and responses to his wagon feel fine. There's a sense of entitlement in his read regarding the e-2 stuff and it makes me think he actually believes what he's saying
VOTE: Roden
His vote and subsequent conversation with HPE felt more opportunistic than the Rogue's
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Post #345 (isolation #47) » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:46 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
In post 343, Flare Fluff wrote:
It was just Ausuka who was going on about me being off. Black didn't really say much about me and instead either she read my post wrong or she is doing it on purpose pretending to play clueless. I've never played with Black before.
What is your synergy with Black? What are you agreeing on and why?
- A
Aren't you the one who just said this one is piggybacking off of Black? You tell me, friend.
I didn't like how you piggy backed Black into your suspicion on my slot and the suspicion on my slot was weak. You're not even trying to engage with me to figure out my alignment and I'm asking what other stuff are you agreeing with Black on beside on my slot.
In post 359, Flare Fluff wrote:
I didn't like how you piggy backed Black into your suspicion on my slot and the suspicion on my slot was weak. You're not even trying to engage with me to figure out my alignment and I'm asking what other stuff are you agreeing with Black on beside on my slot.
Black or no, 323 and 344 are stinky posts. Also, 291 is an assessment it agrees with in a town!Roden world, and Black helped me get onto the path of actually trying to solve by asking 142. Black's like my buddy of sorts, for the moment.
Do you have your own takes besides wagons? You have been agreeing with Black and talking about wagons. Talking about wagons is not helpful when there has been no scum flip. Elaborate on what is stinky about 323 and 344
In post 359, Flare Fluff wrote:
I didn't like how you piggy backed Black into your suspicion on my slot and the suspicion on my slot was weak. You're not even trying to engage with me to figure out my alignment and I'm asking what other stuff are you agreeing with Black on beside on my slot.
Black or no, 323 and 344 are stinky posts. Also, 291 is an assessment it agrees with in a town!Roden world, and Black helped me get onto the path of actually trying to solve by asking 142. Black's like my buddy of sorts, for the moment.
Do you have your own takes besides wagons? You have been agreeing with Black and talking about wagons. Talking about wagons is not helpful when there has been no scum flip. Elaborate on what is stinky about 323 and 344
- A
Did your eyes just glaze over during me and Roden's argument over very non-wagon things? Did you just not see 349, which by the way don't forget the amounts of time between vote changes, and that we're still pretty damn early in the game and reads are typically fickle anyhow? This one doesn't care to do busywork for you.
I have read your argument with Roden and I was confused to the point where nothing on there looked like takes to me and it just looked like you were attacking each other. 349 doesn't look like a take and it looks like shading.
The problem with you is your town lock on Shadow still doesn't make sense to me. You town lock Shadow because the players voting him at rvs can't be scum with him and the players who didn't vote Shadow can't be scum with him because you town read 2 of the players who didn't vote him and the other 2 players who didn't vote Shadow you are not town reading which are the 2 hydras and you didn't explain on why Shadow can't be paired with the 2 hydras.
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Post #368 (isolation #57) » Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:35 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
In post 349, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
includes ausuka rvs vote and also doesnt mention the fact that she includes pretty decent reasons for changing votes
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Post #369 (isolation #58) » Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:36 pm
Postby Flare Fluff »
In post 362, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Did your eyes just glaze over during me and Roden's argument over very non-wagon things? Did you just not see 349, which by the way don't forget the amounts of time between vote changes, and that we're still pretty damn early in the game and reads are typically fickle anyhow? This one doesn't care to do busywork for you.
if her eyes glaze over, then it seems your truly a boring person... sad
In post 362, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Did your eyes just glaze over during me and Roden's argument over very non-wagon things? Did you just not see 349, which by the way don't forget the amounts of time between vote changes, and that we're still pretty damn early in the game and reads are typically fickle anyhow? This one doesn't care to do busywork for you.
if her eyes glaze over, then it seems your truly a boring person... sad