Shell Game (Day 6)

[SirCakez]

Sooooo I really want to play this game but it started way faster than I expected like always and I'm still really busy right now but I'm hoping to be right in the thick of it within a couple days

[SirCakez]

I definitely do not have time to read 57 pages right now so

V/LA through Thursday May 2

[SirCakez]

y'all there is no way I can catch up here any time soon
But I want to start playing this game so I'm just gonna jump in and figure it out

[SirCakez]

And SirBakez can solve the shit out of this game

[SirCakez]

SirCakez feels town whicg actually makes me want to kill fire but it’s for kinda weak Shit reasons

Bruh what is this even based on????

[SirCakez]

EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT TENET BETTER BE SIGNING UP FOR SCREAM WHEN I FINISH IT VERY SOON

[SirCakez]

SirCakez feels town whicg actually makes me want to kill fire but it’s for kinda weak Shit reasons

Bruh what is this even based on????

Also I’m the most widely townread person in our hood, catch up cakeboy

I will get there but I am not trusting town reads on cabal people this early

[SirCakez]

EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT TENET BETTER BE SIGNING UP FOR SCREAM WHEN I FINISH IT VERY SOON

No fuck tenet that game doesn’t exist except in my nightmares

Only a cabal person would say this
Smh y'all

[SirCakez]

SirCakez feels town whicg actually makes me want to kill fire but it’s for kinda weak Shit reasons

Bruh what is this even based on????

Also I’m the most widely townread person in our hood, catch up cakeboy

And call me cakeboy for that matter

[SirCakez]

It's an interesting group of associated mafia players lol
They often join a lot of games together and Tenet was a game I modded that a lot of them were in too

[SirCakez]

I have a bit of concern that it took Cakez 12 minutes to respond to the pooky's raised eyebrow.

this cannot be serious PLEASE

i have concerns about more important things than cakez response time when high

bless u firebringer lmaoo

[SirCakez]

i'm not even sure cakez is scum but watching cabd dunk on him is always worth the price of admission esp when he's high

VOTE: pooky just for this

[SirCakez]

Cakez how do you feel about our lord and savior Baja blast?

The drink or the player?

[SirCakez]

why can't cabd dunk on me

cuz you enjoy it

[SirCakez]

I'm skimming reading up all this blah blah Cakez' timing disappearing was so suspicious what about the time gaps etc etc
Guess what guys?
I was stoned and got distracted. I played Alan Wake 2 for three hours LOL. I also feel like this should not be a surprise to anyone lmao

[SirCakez]

I've also decided that this stupid engaging the game without really engaging the game shit I've been doing is dumb so I'm just gonna bunker down and read the game, skimming probably a good bit to make it reasonable but I'm not gonna engage the game thread again til that's done because it always gets me distracted, so I don't wanna hear any "omg, Cakez disappeared again!"

[SirCakez]

ALL THE PROGRESS IM MAKING READING DOESNT MATTER BC YALL JUST POST MORE
;_; ;_; ;_;

I continue..

[SirCakez]

I'm still reading I'm near halfway, I'm gonna try to power through it all by the end of today

[SirCakez]

IM SITTING DOWN AT MY COMPUTER AND IM NOT LEAVING UNTIL IM DONE WITH CATCH-UP

[SirCakez]

yes i was reading it as it was happening

i liked pooky for jumping on that, its +
so much so it made me want to as well.

however i feel like the explanation does make sense, esp considering the "im high" portion of it. so i think it doesnt give a good read on cakez at all. i hate how he isnt engaging in thread though since i view him very highly as a player.

ty Marci ^.^ idk if I deserve this honor LOL

30 pages left y'all
I'm cooking up a reads list that I plan to dump immediately once I'm done reading and then I'll go back and explain thoughts and stuff from there

[SirCakez]

THE

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CATCH

[SirCakez]

UP

[SirCakez]

IS

[SirCakez]

OVERRRR

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

ACTUALLY TOWN READS - Lukewarm, Pooky, Dunnstral, Pengy
TOWN ISH...FOR NOW - Shello and Goodbye, Dannflor, Spiffeh, marcistar, Oblivion, Bingle
idk yet - StD, experience, Gypyx
A LITTLE SCUMMISH - Firebringer, CSF, Klick
SCUMMY BUT IM ALSO TILTED - Hermit Crab
SCUMMY AF - Morph the Cat, Firebagel, Sunflower, Brian Skies

pls keep in mind these are rough draft immediate fire thought reads based individually
ex; morph and sunflower are probably not scum together but I got scum vibes from them individually
I'm also ignoring the hoods for now

I find the whole "slip" argument against me to be incredibly dumb but I don't think there's anything even to argue there so I'm just gonna ignore it. I don't really think it's AI.

[SirCakez]

Now
VOTE: BRIAN SKIES

All of his posts sound like wet toilet paper being thrown at a wall. He's probably sad his teammates already decided to bus him.

[SirCakez]

I found the arguments against morph the cat presented by Lukewarm and Bingle to be incredibly persuasive. Even though Luke backed down on it later I think he was on to something. Morph keeps making posts this game that make me think they are manufacturing their town PoV and trying to make their posts from it and it's not coming off 100% right. It's like you fed ChatGPT a bunch of town!morph posts then told it to write town!morph posts itself.

[SirCakez]

My top four town reads have all made posts/had consistent vibes today that have felt inarguably town to me. For example Dunn's level of engagement and scumhunting this game has felt beyond what I've seen him pull off as scum in the past. And Penguin's entire day one play looks like town Pengy to a T, and I know because I had to twist it into some bullshit to try to get him eliminated in Eminence in Shadow

[SirCakez]

The people in townish I have seen posts that made me feel good about them at points but I don't trust them (or myself lol) to correctly have read them as strong town this early

Especially Spiffeh I love the mouse but I can't trust him

[SirCakez]

AMA

[SirCakez]

AMA

can you elaborate more on the csf + hermit + morph + sunflower ones?

also did you wolfread morph at all before the luke case or did you read it and then apply it back if that makes sense?

- ydra

With CSF I get the vibe she is kinda following the crowd and there's not much original scumhunting going on. Her last two votes were Firebringer and me and both of those wagons were detailed and started by other players. and 2732 seems like it is again setting up another wagon hop. if you iso there's not a lot of actual scumhunting going on besides questioning other people's townreads and repeating talking points other people generated

Sunflower has some individual posts that pinged me, a lot of which were already called out in thread. 116 feels weirdly overwritten and not like real thoughts. 222 sounds kinda fake to me. 1226 gives me the same vibes as 116, idk if I'm just misreading the tone? like these reads feel very noncomittal and like they aren't backed up by anything. hmmm I will say after finishing the ISO re-read it wasn't as bad as I remembered, their posts have improved recently. i would probably put them in scummish instead of bottom scum on reevaluation.

Hermit has been irking me because they have been poking at me pretty much constantly from the "slip" moment and i feel like they are not trying to look at things from a neutral PoV and determining what alignment I am, they are trying to take what i post and fit it into scum!cakez boxes. there was more posting in the hood while i was reading that got me irked further by this but i also recognize im just annoyed with them right now so i don't think it's a route i'm gonna pursue today

Morph is kinda the same thing but I have other reasons to think they are scum aside from this pattern. I'm trying to just disregard the whole slip argument they made and write it off as NAI because i think it's really dumb and i don't have an objective take on it. In regards to your second question I would say I had some of these vibes from Morph before the Luke and Bingle arguments but they kind of crystallized what I was feeling into words. Like I remember while I was reading thinking that Bingle literally just wrote my mind down in this post:

Cabd’s posting feels like he’s trying to be sudsing things but not actually being sudsing things.

I'm also surprised they have not come at me more cutthroat-ly because I know especially Cabd is an absolute monster when it comes to dunking his scum reads and it seems like they bought into the slip argument against me pretty strong. I suspect it could be because they don't want to burn a lot of cred on my town flip, although that might be too surface-level of thinking but that's the Occam's Razor explanation

[SirCakez]

What does ama mean

ask me anything don't listen to gypyx lol

[SirCakez]

Dunn's level of engagement and scumhunting this game has felt beyond what I've seen him pull off as scum in the past.

u wot m8

ok that sounded kind of dumb but the point is he feels like town!Dunn fairly transparently to me

[SirCakez]

With CSF I get the vibe she is kinda following the crowd and there's not much original scumhunting going on. Her last two votes were Firebringer and me and both of those wagons were detailed and started by other players. and 2732 seems like it is again setting up another wagon hop. if you iso there's not a lot of actual scumhunting going on besides questioning other people's townreads and repeating talking points other people generated

i'm probably going to pick at this reply more than do it all at once so sorry cakez lol im busy playing Video games

i think i disagree with this take because while csf isn't doing like... the Most in the world to case or really fight back against people she feels inquisitive about things in a way that's towny to me. what do you think about the things she's actually said or done that i think were of her own volition like the oblivion thing early on, some of her mech stuff, firebagel, etc. this is vague so don't treat this as a whole list of things

- ydra

i mean you're right that stuff is there, when she is engaged she has some good posts
i need to consider her more, i'll see what happens the rest of today i'm obv not voting her today

[SirCakez]

Morph is kinda the same thing but I have other reasons to think they are scum aside from this pattern. I'm trying to just disregard the whole slip argument they made and write it off as NAI because i think it's really dumb and i don't have an objective take on it. In regards to your second question I would say I had some of these vibes from Morph before the Luke and Bingle arguments but they kind of crystallized what I was feeling into words. Like I remember while I was reading thinking that Bingle literally just wrote my mind down in this post:
In post 1694, Bingle wrote:
Cabd’s posting feels like he’s trying to be sudsing things but not actually being sudsing things.
I'm also surprised they have not come at me more cutthroat-ly because I know especially Cabd is an absolute monster when it comes to dunking his scum reads and it seems like they bought into the slip argument against me pretty strong. I suspect it could be because they don't want to burn a lot of cred on my town flip, although that might be too surface-level of thinking but that's the Occam's Razor explanation

also i was curious about this because like, earlier on morph was saying stuff about how wolves tend to treat them and position themselves around them - they don't want to townread them because it bolsters their solves, wolfreading is a lot, so they go into the nullish zone instead where they can exist. when you posted your initial read that was mostly about someone else's case i wondered if it was like, an audacious wolf thing where cakez would NEVER rebel against morph as wolf and take on that pressure in this position

what do you think abt their posting around the time of the neighborhood reveals/the dethy stuff? also why wouldn't it be burning cred on you to subscribe to that argument? i feel like if anything ppl would see, in this world where they're wolf and you're town, that it was like... a very small thing that they 'shouldn't' have bought into

- ydra

i'm pretty sure i've been against cabd and/or ffery as scum when they are town? obviously the most known example is xenoblade 2 where i had no idea what to do against cabd and just died immediately instead. i honestly usually just wing it tbh. i have recently been terrible at explaining my reads to people in a way that makes sense so when someone is able to articulate something that sounds close enough to what I was thinking i'm always happy to hop on lol

can you be more specific about "the posting around the time of the neighborhood reveals"?
the last bit, that's my point. if the elimination on me goes through today then it doesn't do anything for morph tomorrow when everyone will realize how dumb the slip argument was

[SirCakez]

I disagree, ydra. I think this game is actually going pretty well. Like... there's 117 pages, but all of it feels like there's information there and we just need to sus it out. There's garbage wagons, but they feel like meaningful garbage wagons. We don't need to win today, we need today to make us win.

I BELIEVE IN MIRACLES!

i've been increasingly cranky about the size of this game. don't look at my post count

- ydra

I mean, sure it’s a long ass game, but it’s a long ass game where things are actually happening. It’s kinda why the cakez wagon was ass. Anyone who has played a game with cakez and expected more from him before now was lying to someone

This always happens day one, it's just inevitable

[SirCakez]

I don't hate Cakez' catchup. I kinda expected to.

Neuterhalf left me laughter in our chat at your scumread before going to some navy weekend thing.

What a great way to literally give me no reason to think I'm wrong
If you don't hate my catch-up why aren't you trying to tell me why I'm wrong or open a dialogue at all?

[SirCakez]

I don't hate Cakez' catchup. I kinda expected to.

Neuterhalf left me laughter in our chat at your scumread before going to some navy weekend thing.

Yeah, I don't really agree with him on... anything, really. But that's pretty well what I'd expect a towncakez to post.

I feel like Cakez and HC are similar in that they're probably both town and we don't really see eye to eye right now and that's OK.

You don't think morph is scum anymore?

[SirCakez]

Dunn's level of engagement and scumhunting this game has felt beyond what I've seen him pull off as scum in the past.

u wot m8

ok that sounded kind of dumb but the point is he feels like town!Dunn fairly transparently to me

Eh. Maybe I’m biased but I’ve felt like his contributions have p much all been bad faith and I don’t think Dunn is particularly more likely to tryhard as town than scum. Like… look at every interaction he has with me, for example.

Does them being bad faith make him scum? I feel like Dunn does this as either alignment

[SirCakez]

sunflower, please tell jupiter I miss him

hiiii it's jupiter! i missed you too dann
i'm getting demolished by APs at the moment so im busy getting on the grind (i am stronger than my pain...) and also i'm not playing right now because larges are too hard for me, ill be back when we have like 13-16 people... sighhh
genuinely i pulled up saw 20 pages and i was like, ill read that later, came back later & saw 70 pages and i was like. theres no way im reading all of that. day one is important but im not gonna spend like an hour or two of my time reading through so much mafia..... at least i would USUALLY but not when im about to get my butt kicked by standardized testing... ill see you in like a week though when im done w all my tests !!!!! the benefit of being in a hydra is not getting replaced for inactivity

I understand this on a spiritual level

[SirCakez]

That's why I'm trying to engage you right now, let's forget about Cabd he always gets me tilted anyways
I'll also say I'm definitely sure I've gotten your guys posts mixed up a few times since you don't sign

[SirCakez]

Morph/ffery who should we eliminate today if not Brian or me?

[SirCakez]

I don't hate Cakez' catchup. I kinda expected to.

Neuterhalf left me laughter in our chat at your scumread before going to some navy weekend thing.

What a great way to literally give me no reason to think I'm wrong
If you don't hate my catch-up why aren't you trying to tell me why I'm wrong or open a dialogue at all?

Because I'm kinda disgusted that you'd misread me again right after misreading me so badly in Kemusan. In that game I scumread you for not just misreading me, but not even TRYING to engage with me despite my making a few efforts to engage you.

You seem to default to scum-me and you're basing your reads on Cabd, not me. So what should I engage?

I'm also gonna say Kemusan was not a fair example of my best efforts given the dance structure of the game and Cabd self yeeting before we could even vote lol

[SirCakez]

Morph/ffery who should we eliminate today if not Brian or me?

Explain why not Brian, first.

That's not the point, Brian is a good elimination today, I'm trying to see where you are thinking elsewhere. I re-isoed you and it's difficult to get a sense of your reads in your recent posts

I don't hate Cakez' catchup. I kinda expected to.

Neuterhalf left me laughter in our chat at your scumread before going to some navy weekend thing.

What a great way to literally give me no reason to think I'm wrong
If you don't hate my catch-up why aren't you trying to tell me why I'm wrong or open a dialogue at all?

Because I'm kinda disgusted that you'd misread me again right after misreading me so badly in Kemusan. In that game I scumread you for not just misreading me, but not even TRYING to engage with me despite my making a few efforts to engage you.

You seem to default to scum-me and you're basing your reads on Cabd, not me. So what should I engage?

I'm also gonna say Kemusan was not a fair example of my best efforts given the dance structure of the game and Cabd self yeeting before we could even vote lol

What does that have to do with your lazy-ass scumread of me in that game while I was in it? And why would you expect me to assume your catch up read of my slot isn't another lazy-ass effort?

My point was we literally didn't even have one elimination that game before you died, I had no time or space to develop my read on you before I died. I don't know why you're coming at me like this for my first-draft scum reads, I'm not married to anything at this point.

[SirCakez]

Morph/ffery who should we eliminate today if not Brian or me?

Explain why not Brian, first.

That's not the point, Brian is a good elimination today, I'm trying to see where you are thinking elsewhere. I re-isoed you and it's difficult to get a sense of your reads in your recent posts

The bottom of my leftovers as of last night was

{Dannflor, STD}
{Brian Skies, Klick, Sunflower, Cakez}

With you at least coming to life, the two leftovers I feel most strongly about are Brian and Sunflower. But, I'm not feeling as confident about my reads as I did a couple days ago. I had Action Dan almost up in my solid townread region before he replaced out. experience being a nonentity so far is de-solidifying that read.

I don't hate Cakez' catchup. I kinda expected to.

Neuterhalf left me laughter in our chat at your scumread before going to some navy weekend thing.

What a great way to literally give me no reason to think I'm wrong
If you don't hate my catch-up why aren't you trying to tell me why I'm wrong or open a dialogue at all?

Because I'm kinda disgusted that you'd misread me again right after misreading me so badly in Kemusan. In that game I scumread you for not just misreading me, but not even TRYING to engage with me despite my making a few efforts to engage you.

You seem to default to scum-me and you're basing your reads on Cabd, not me. So what should I engage?

I'm also gonna say Kemusan was not a fair example of my best efforts given the dance structure of the game and Cabd self yeeting before we could even vote lol

What does that have to do with your lazy-ass scumread of me in that game while I was in it? And why would you expect me to assume your catch up read of my slot isn't another lazy-ass effort?

My point was we literally didn't even have one elimination that game before you died, I had no time or space to develop my read on you before I died. I don't know why you're coming at me like this for my first-draft scum reads, I'm not married to anything at this point.

I'm not coming at you. I'm responding to YOU coming at me. If you weren't, I'd be, not happy about it, but willing to float through the new posts in observation mode for now.

Okay so aside from me we have three scum reads in common. I don't have much of a take on StD or even Dann really. I'm open to investigating these other leads for now, I do have to say I think your posting to me here directly has felt better than most of what I was reading earlier

[SirCakez]

Cakez, care to put more words to your firebagel read?

She kinda gives me the same vibes as CSF but it's more egregious, like Shello said CSF has some posts that I can see some town motivation/thought process, but I'm not getting anything like that from Firebagel. Theres not really any original thought process at all, it's just following the consensus wagons again like CSF. I don't know who she is and I wish I did.

[SirCakez]

Sigh

Crabz, do y'all have thoughts on this?

Same question to you, Luke.

other's thoughts also welcome.

I am of two minds when I look at his top 4 scum reads.

In my left brain, I don't think that scum-Cakez would feel super confident in dropping you guys in the bottom tier.

In my right brain, I think that landing on Brian being his strongest scum read is exactly who scum-Cakez needs to have as his strongest scum read.

Why are you looking at everything from the angle of would scum!Cakez do this? What about would town!Cakez do this? I feel like everyone in this game is good enough to see how scummy Brian's recent posting has been, I almost feel like it would be egregious to not vote him given the wagon existing too.

[SirCakez]

Sigh

Crabz, do y'all have thoughts on this?

Same question to you, Luke.

other's thoughts also welcome.

I am of two minds when I look at his top 4 scum reads.

In my left brain, I don't think that scum-Cakez would feel super confident in dropping you guys in the bottom tier.

In my right brain, I think that landing on Brian being his strongest scum read is exactly who scum-Cakez needs to have as his strongest scum read.

Why are you looking at everything from the angle of would scum!Cakez do this? What about would town!Cakez do this? I feel like everyone in this game is good enough to see how scummy Brian's recent posting has been, I almost feel like it would be egregious to not vote him given the wagon existing too.

Turns out "Do I think that scum would do this / benefit from doing this" is a question I ask myself when trying to discern someones alignment.

Hope that helps.

Sassy okay

[SirCakez]

@Cakez, what is your opinion of Dann, Hermit, and morph's reactions to the deathy reveal. (Started around 564)

I feel like you're referencing something specific in this situation that I'm totally missing, I reread it twice and I'm not getting much from it, seems pretty reasonable from all the people you mentioned?

[SirCakez]

Sigh

Crabz, do y'all have thoughts on this?

Same question to you, Luke.

other's thoughts also welcome.

I am of two minds when I look at his top 4 scum reads.

In my left brain, I don't think that scum-Cakez would feel super confident in dropping you guys in the bottom tier.

In my right brain, I think that landing on Brian being his strongest scum read is exactly who scum-Cakez needs to have as his strongest scum read.

Why are you looking at everything from the angle of would scum!Cakez do this? What about would town!Cakez do this? I feel like everyone in this game is good enough to see how scummy Brian's recent posting has been, I almost feel like it would be egregious to not vote him given the wagon existing too.

Turns out "Do I think that scum would do this / benefit from doing this" is a question I ask myself when trying to discern someones alignment.

Hope that helps.

Sassy okay

The not sassy answer is that town is posting the things that they believe (generally), so "Would town!Cakez do this" is actually "does cakez believe these things?"

Scum don't start at belief. They start at "what helps them?", tempered by "what do they think they can justify?"

So "Do I think that scum would do this / benefit from doing this" is an easier question to think about first, because that kind of positional benefit can be easier to see from a surface level / first time reading. While "does cakez actually believe these things" a deeper read (and often follow up questions)

I get what you mean more now ty

[SirCakez]

i am so scared someone said theres like 10 votes on brian and it seems like he isnt puting up much of a fight?? is that not a townie thing too?? i think scum usually puts up a hella fight

I used to think like this but I've seen scum with big wagons give up at the day finish line (including myself lol) enough times to think it's not super AI

[SirCakez]

ngl its weird af to me that cakez would actually townread me cuz the last time we were mafia together dude was all like "i can never trust you" but i dont really want to give him a hard time over it cuz im trying to be nicer to people +_+

I missed this on my first read but this is a weird thing, especially about Pooky

He seems incredibly definitive about reads he should have minimal confidence in based on his intro (where he claims he refuses to trust any of the cabal that easily), to be both definitive on some scum reads and confident on other cabal members in his townreads?

I mean you're right idk why I exactly trust Pooky so much this game but a lot of his posts are giving me town, moreso than usual I feel and I think that's enough to town bin him on day one. Call it some gut vibes, I can't point to this exactly but he doesn't feel like when we were partners in Eminence.

[SirCakez]

Sigh

Crabz, do y'all have thoughts on this?

Same question to you, Luke.

other's thoughts also welcome.

I am of two minds when I look at his top 4 scum reads.

In my left brain, I don't think that scum-Cakez would feel super confident in dropping you guys in the bottom tier.

In my right brain, I think that landing on Brian being his strongest scum read is exactly who scum-Cakez needs to have as his strongest scum read.

Why are you looking at everything from the angle of would scum!Cakez do this? What about would town!Cakez do this? I feel like everyone in this game is good enough to see how scummy Brian's recent posting has been,

I almost feel like it would be egregious to not vote him given the wagon existing too.

i kinda feel like if you're scum you have to vote him now, no?

~ skitter

People keep saying this but why would I not vote him as town here either? He's one of my top scum reads and has the biggest wagon. I feel like it would be really dumb to try to start some other vanity wagon when people don't even generally listen to me in the first place, let alone when I'm the main CW.

[SirCakez]

It s a lot easier to come in scumreading morph when two other people laid the foundational work and all you’re essentially doing is fanning the paranoia (sound familiar, Luke?)

And his read on us is hedged to hell and back lol

how am I supposed to give an unbiased read on your slot when you make posts shading me every five seconds

[SirCakez]

Like tonally this sounds so incredibly similar to xeno cakez I’m astounded

And this take is definitely bad, in Xeno I was wayyy more emotional and frustrated with how that game was going because I actually cared and wanted to stay alive there. I remember literally using so much AtE to try to get people off of me and to diffuse Cabd's arguments which obviously didn't work because he was right lol. I think y'all's arguments for me being scum this game are dumb AF and are actually wrong unlike Xeno but at least I won't have to deal with any more snarky/bad takes on my play like this if I get eliminated lol

[SirCakez]

I think Cakez is town and marci is scum who doesn’t want his wagon to melt

What is Marci's relevance to my wagon at all? There are others doing a lot more to keep it going

Ok I know there are more questions but I gtg but I will finish responding to the rest later today

[SirCakez]

I'm back
In black!

Aka I'm going to respond more questions while at work zzzzz

[SirCakez]

this might sound weird but i actually kinda find it scummy that he's scumreading brian

if he had said - i'm scumreading X the most but voting brian for survival
i think i would have had an easier time with it because it would have felt more truthful

but how the brian vote in 2902 is presented kinda makes it feel he thinks that's the best vote right now which is ... very coincidental

not sure how well i explained it

Yes I do think that's my best vote right now I feel like I've said this repeatedly in thread at this point - Brian is one of my high scum reads, he is not making any posts that look like town trying, it's the biggest wagon aside from myself, and yes it's a little survivalistic because I'd always rather another slot get flipped than me, thats just basic mafia logic regardless of your alignment. It's like people this game think that I should have intentionally gone against the grain to signal my towniness or some shit.

[SirCakez]

My top four town reads have all made posts/had consistent vibes today that have felt inarguably town to me. For example Dunn's level of engagement and scumhunting this game has felt beyond what I've seen him pull off as scum in the past. And Penguin's entire day one play looks like town Pengy to a T, and I know because I had to twist it into some bullshit to try to get him eliminated in Eminence in Shadow

can you talk more abt your penguin read?

pedit i know that's why i'm not voting her >.>
i'm trying so hard to not push this because i think it's very likely a playstyle thing

Also, I'm not already murder-hobo for cakes because i got murder-hobo for sunflower and you all decided to shout down my pressure instead of letting it play out.

So clearly that's not happening this game. Pair that with the first visit from my mother's side of the family since kiddo was non-verbal and yeah. You fucks are fourth in a three-item priority list.

This doesn't seem like town!Cabd to me. Since when does town!Cabd give up on pushing his reads day one because he got flak for one scum read?

So I'm being left with this issue where I town read ffery's posts but scumread Cabd's. I really felt ffery's reach out to me yesterday felt genuine - especially her indignation at me going back to scumreading her again immediately after I fucked up in Kemusan. I don't know if ffery gets that same level of frustration if I'm correct about her this game.

[SirCakez]

Oops I fucked the quotes up on my phone

My top four town reads have all made posts/had consistent vibes today that have felt inarguably town to me. For example Dunn's level of engagement and scumhunting this game has felt beyond what I've seen him pull off as scum in the past. And Penguin's entire day one play looks like town Pengy to a T, and I know because I had to twist it into some bullshit to try to get him eliminated in Eminence in Shadow

can you talk more abt your penguin read?

pedit i know that's why i'm not voting her >.>
i'm trying so hard to not push this because i think it's very likely a playstyle thing

Like for example I got town pinged how he jumped on my wagon just because he wanted competing wagons to grow. I feel like that's a more likely town Penguin move. Even though he's not that engaged this game he feels very present and iirc he is more absent and floaty as scum? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Like he feels like Eminence Penguin basically, it feels like he's doing the same things he did there. I don't have more to expand on than that for just day one content.

[SirCakez]

Yeah I did a quick skim when you first got pissed about me scumreading you, it didn't really help that much because I already remember well enough how I fucked my reads up that game

[SirCakez]

What's your point?

[SirCakez]

Like tonally this sounds so incredibly similar to xeno cakez I’m astounded

I read the iso you linked.

I can kind of see some similarities from before his catchup, but I don't really see any similarities with his posting from today.

I think that his tone today is the best part of his entire iso, so i'm confused on his tone being the thing that is pinging you.

@skitts- viewtopic.php?sid=&f=56&t=84949&user_select%5B%5D=26092

A quick skim should suffice

Ok the tone is kinda similar tbh
And actually i give him less townpoints for coming in with a morph sr

~ skitter

I feel like we are reading different isos

oh man this is so hopeless

[SirCakez]

I am curious what Dunn thinks about cakez's Dunn read.

I never think activity reads on me are accurate, but people still try to use them. For Sircakez I have to wonder if he is simply following majority opinion; I'm not sure what they meant when they said I argue in bad faith as town as a reason to not scumread me.

I don't really have conviction behind that meta argument tbh. My point in that post to Bingle was that nothing in your debates with him look like scum!Dunn moves to me.

[SirCakez]

I am curious what Dunn thinks about cakez's Dunn read.

I never think activity reads on me are accurate, but people still try to use them. For Sircakez I have to wonder if he is simply following majority opinion; I'm not sure what they meant when they said I argue in bad faith as town as a reason to not scumread me.

I don't really have conviction behind that meta argument tbh. My point in that post to Bingle was that nothing in your debates with him look like scum!Dunn moves to me.

Actually this doesn't even make sense after looking back at those posts. I don't really understand what Bingle was calling bad faith in the first place and it wasn't really a debate. I'm probably just going to reset on these reads.

[SirCakez]

@Cakez, what is your opinion of Dann, Hermit, and morph's reactions to the deathy reveal. (Started around 564)

I feel like you're referencing something specific in this situation that I'm totally missing, I reread it twice and I'm not getting much from it, seems pretty reasonable from all the people you mentioned?

It s a lot easier to come in scumreading morph when two other people laid the foundational work and all you’re essentially doing is fanning the paranoia (sound familiar, Luke?)

And his read on us is hedged to hell and back lol

how am I supposed to give an unbiased read on your slot when you make posts shading me every five seconds

It's almost like I pointed you directly at a different point of the game, and tried to get you to give opinions on slots (including hermit) when not in reference to yourself.

I'm not looking for something specific, as much as pointing you at a portion of the game that I feel like you should be able to make Alignment Indicative statements about.

Like I need you to voice opinions that are more grounded then the ones you've made about those slots so far.

I wish you had just said this straight up instead, I can try to do this for you when I'm at a computer

[SirCakez]

I’m not shading, but your discredit attempts are noted. And given there are others who are corroborating my concerns, I’m clearly not the only one who sees the similarities.

I am discrediting you lol, your argument about my posting this game looking like Xeno 2 is just straight up wrong. Like I can even understand there are some valid reasons people think I'm scum this game but this is definitely not one of them.

[SirCakez]

What's your point?

That the Pie game was full of scum-me. And this game ain't that.

This is ffery right? I'm saying you feel like town!ffery to me now, I don't understand why you're trying to get me to do meta for something I'm already feeling

[SirCakez]

I can't quote and break down the giant Pooky post about me on my phone but I'll make some bullet points

3202
-I understand why you and others find it suspicious that I'm town reading you fairly easily this game. I'm just finding a lot of your posts to be very transparently town this game. For example this breakdown of your read on me this game, I see the town!Pooky trying to solve me and genuinely coming up with your end conclusions here. Even Hermit Crab was literally two posts later like god Pooky is so obviously town this game. Or 930 and 931 that kind of picking a fight with Morph doesn't make sense to me as scum!Pooky play here. I know you're good enough to fake this kind of posting but I don't see scum motivations. I haven't really felt like this with you in past games so I'm not trying to fight it unless I have reason to think i need to. I don't really know how to explain this further.

-Regarding Brian (AGAIN) - I've said that his posts especially recently have felt like total nothing burgers, there's no fightback or any visible town motivations going on with him. I honestly feel like this is pretty self-explanatory, just look at Brian's ISO. I don't really know why people are hung up on this. The thing about his buddies bussing him was just me spitballing, I didn't actually look at the wagon comp and my reads and get to that conclusion.

-The part about me acting like I'm caught for the wrong reasons is basically accurate (except obviously that I'm not scum for it lol). I've been frustrated this game with people trying to figure out how my play is scummy rather than considering why I would do these things as town too. That's basically why I'm arguing with Shello about it because I think their argument that oh scum!Cakez had to vote Brian is not good because I'm town and I still ended up at the Brian vote for reasons that I feel are very obvious to the town.

[SirCakez]

What's your point?

That the Pie game was full of scum-me. And this game ain't that.

This is ffery right? I'm saying you feel like town!ffery to me now, I don't understand why you're trying to get me to do meta for something I'm already feeling

We share the role pm. that's the underlying point. if you're town and have any doubt about our alignment, I feel like the Divide and Conquer game should heavily weigh against those doubts.

I knowwwwwwww
I need time to think about your slot for now

[SirCakez]

I do find it odd that Bingle caved so quickly on eliminating me after insisting earlier that a wagon on me was ass. Was the Pooky post that convincing?

[SirCakez]

if the scum team is something like bingle/sircakez/brianskies/experience/firebringer this game is so sad honestly

there's no way you believe this is the team

[SirCakez]

Interesting, I was just thinking about my read on Klick too. They have felt very absent today which is very unusual. I'm used to Klick being obvtown fairly early in recent games. I also think it's possibly notable that Klick is not being brought up in the context of the other low-activity/LHF scum suspects. They are definitely sinking to the bottom tier of my reads.

[SirCakez]

Sunflower has also gone quiet
I want to explore wagoning both of these slots tomorrow

[SirCakez]

i don't see the reasons for cakez scum. I know i misread him all the time so im going to outsource my read on him but like wtf is the case there?

I repeat what i said like 10 pages agon brian skies, I get the feeling and reason he is wagoned. ITs just the fact he is always wagoned day 1 in games i play with him and he is always town when it happens that makes me go that this is bad.

I just really want to elim bingle and im too lazy to case him or lead the charge there. Nor do i think anyone will listen to me (but honestly just using that as an excuse not to put in the effort to try)

This post is pinging me

What part?

[SirCakez]

Does anyone actually town read StD based on in thread content or is all the good stuff in the hood apparently?

[SirCakez]

Because I took Bingle at his word about you making bad faith arguments this game and I didn't really think through what I was saying when I made that post

[SirCakez]

So like, at first I looked at that big catchup post and was like "wow wtf, Cakez is actually bringing a big wallpost and reads after being away?! Never seen that before, normally he just comes back and is like 'uh I feel like we should vote X maybe idk why really, just feels like it'

you didn't have to come for me like this

[SirCakez]

i don't see the reasons for cakez scum. I know i misread him all the time so im going to outsource my read on him but like wtf is the case there?

I repeat what i said like 10 pages agon brian skies, I get the feeling and reason he is wagoned. ITs just the fact he is always wagoned day 1 in games i play with him and he is always town when it happens that makes me go that this is bad.

I just really want to elim bingle and im too lazy to case him or lead the charge there. Nor do i think anyone will listen to me (but honestly just using that as an excuse not to put in the effort to try)

This post is pinging me

What part?

a) it feels whiteknight-y of you while not really committing to the townread

b) I guess I'm surprised by how much he wants Bingle

I get and agree with A but what is pingy about B? I see town!Fire wanting a Bingle elimination just as much as scum depending on whatever Bingles alignment is. Bingle has been dropping in my reads too. His play and trajectory around me don't make sense and something in his tone sounds weird to me too.

[SirCakez]

I'm thinking I might end up on Brian, because Herr thinks we get way more info from that flip but I think both are scum.

Another Hermit post that bothered me. I almost wanted to call it lining up eliminations but it's not that deep. It just reeks to me like Crab knows Brian is flipping red and is setting up the agenda for tomorrow to try to still sink this miselimination. And the way it's worded is so blatantly telegraphing the setup for the Brian vote because notsci has been waxing on about how scummy I am while barely talking about Brian for the last couple days so they need a reason to move off me.

[SirCakez]

I get and agree with A but what is pingy about B? I see town!Fire wanting a Bingle elimination just as much as scum depending on whatever Bingles alignment is. Bingle has been dropping in my reads too. His play and trajectory around me don't make sense and something in his tone sounds weird to me too.

How much he wants Bingle eliminated ("really want") feels exaggerated and fake given he doesn't even want to case or push Bingle

Ok this makes sense to me. I think his levels of passion about different reads this game has definitely felt off. I don't understand why he has repeatedly written large posts defending me while he hasn't really committed much at all to scumhunting anything really. Even this new making a reads list of all the reads thing is just NAI work really (although still helpful so thank you!)

@Firebringer I would like to see your Bingle case if you could write it

[SirCakez]

TOWN READS - Lukewarm, Pooky, Dunnstral, Pengy
TOWN ISH - Shello and Goodbye, Dannflor, Spiffeh, marcistar, Oblivion
IDK - StD, experience, Gypyx, CSF
A LITTLE SCUMMISH - Morph the Cat, Firebagel
MORE SCUMMISH - Bingle, Firebringer, Klick
SCUMMISHEST - Sunflower, Brian Skies, Hermit Crab

My reads are probably more like this now

[SirCakez]

@Cakez, what is your opinion of Dann, Hermit, and morph's reactions to the deathy reveal. (Started around 564)

I feel like you're referencing something specific in this situation that I'm totally missing, I reread it twice and I'm not getting much from it, seems pretty reasonable from all the people you mentioned?

It s a lot easier to come in scumreading morph when two other people laid the foundational work and all you’re essentially doing is fanning the paranoia (sound familiar, Luke?)

And his read on us is hedged to hell and back lol

how am I supposed to give an unbiased read on your slot when you make posts shading me every five seconds

It's almost like I pointed you directly at a different point of the game, and tried to get you to give opinions on slots (including hermit) when not in reference to yourself.

I'm not looking for something specific, as much as pointing you at a portion of the game that I feel like you should be able to make Alignment Indicative statements about.

Like I need you to voice opinions that are more grounded then the ones you've made about those slots so far.

I wish you had just said this straight up instead, I can try to do this for you when I'm at a computer

Cakez has this happened?

I see that hermit has dropped lower in your reads, what is the reason for that?

Sorry I got home from work and fell into bed immediately, I promise I'll work these up for you tomorrow. I will say in regards to Hermit relating to me that I've increasingly felt that there's a clear town element pushing me this game whose reasoning and thoughts I can understand, like Pooky and his big case. But Hermit's play towards me has felt like it was disingenuous and in bad faith toward me from the start. I think their insistence on my play being somehow exactly like Xenoblade 2 is a prime example. I also think their play is just so calculated and manipulative feeling this game, I don't feel like there's a town scumhunter driving the posts, it all feels like it's being laid out to drive certain results. I understand I'm obviously highly biased right now and that most other players are strongly town reading Hermit so I'm open to hearing other's perspectives.

[SirCakez]

And somehow we've gone up?

Cabd? Go read the convo I had with ffery

[SirCakez]

But Hermit's play towards me has felt like it was disingenuous and in bad faith toward me from the start.I think their insistence on my play being somehow exactly like Xenoblade 2 is a prime example.

If notty did not genuinely think that there were similarities between the two, do you think he would have gone so far as to link your iso, and repeatedly bug people on whether or not they read it?

Like, I disagree with his take that they are super similar, but given the way he has pushed it (double and triple checking that Skitter and Spiff read the other iso)

It seems to me like even if he is scum (I don't think that he is for the record), that notty genuinely believes that if people read the two isos, there are similarities to draw between the two.

I think there are some surface level similarities like me getting frustrated on getting immediately wagoned on day one and some people have agreed with him even. But also like you and I think Spiffeh said it's not really that similar at all and that's where it feels fake to me. notty is a mafia veteran and has played a few games with me and I can't believe that he is really looking at my ISO in that game and this one, where I'm his apparent top scumread and day one slam dunk scum elimination, and coming out thinking that I'm the same as that game. So no, I don't think he genuinely believes it, I think he's trying to use it as an easy argument he can lean on because some of this playerlist was also in Xenoblade 2 and probably enjoyed slam dunking me in that game and he thinks he can get away with it. And it worked at least somewhat.

[SirCakez]

Yes, it's me cakez. I'm behind but have a little time to look at the game so am shamelessly using it to be here and interact instead of dragging my ass back to the morph-lodge to sync, sorry not sorry.

I'm only skim-read up atm, busy day with the fam but want to be here.

Basically I think ffery's reach outs/posts to me have felt fairly town and my hang up with your slot basically lies on your posts.

[SirCakez]

The fact that the wiki entry on "cop" does not use the same terminology as the wiki entry for dethy makes this frustrating to double check, but I think that they would.

This seems like a single night aiming all the cops at the miller claim should make all subsequent invests usable.

Guilty on CSF -> Inno on any other slot = sane cop
Inno on CSF -> Guilty on any other slot = insane cop.

Ceph is actually evil for this

[SirCakez]

Aww Cakez, is this the part where you fake a scumread then kill me N1 again?

yikes

[SirCakez]

That's up to you Mr Crabs, but 3395 was definitely not it. Again I know I'm biased but this overconfidence you're showing sounds incredibly fake to me right now.

[SirCakez]

Like I haven't played with Notty in a while, can someone besides him tell me if I'm just misreading his normal tone or what is this

[SirCakez]

@the cat- my concern was more that Cakez has been in tons of games and my tone is pretty normal for town me, and falls into the same column as failing to be paranoid

Who is this even??? I don't even know the other half of the hydra from notsci

[SirCakez]

I don't understand what point is being made in 3400 and 3402 like at all

[SirCakez]

@Firebringer I would like to see your Bingle case if you could write it

no, i am not doing it.

ok well then you should not be surprised that you are currently tanking in my reads

[SirCakez]

don't understand why he has repeatedly written large posts defending me

i feel like you of all people in this game, should be thinking this is at best NAI? So i am torn on this hot take from you on you being clueless.

Its like a well known meme between us that I defend you too often. And everytime I do, you end up being scum.
So you going "well this is weird" is in itself kind of weird. Because me defending you is is a sign that you are more likely scum than town lol.

I feel like you should be more suspicious of me at some point though. You even just said that you defend me a lot and when you do I'm often scum. So why aren't you thinking about that this game? I don't understand how you can feel so sure right now about me but not about pretty much anything else this game.

[SirCakez]

im doing this for my firebuddy

town:
[hermit crab]
[oblivion, dunnstral, dannflor]
[shello&goodbye, lukewarm]

lean town:
[save the dragons]
[firebagel, bingle]

nulltown:
[gypyx, penguin]

conflicted:
[marci, sircakez, spiffeh, pooky, marci]

lean scum:
[morph the cat, actiondan, klick, firebringer, CSF]

scum:
[brian skies]

this readlist sucks im townreading too many people and i don't even really believe in my leanscums. something is wrong

ActionDan hasn't been in the game for a while now, and you just made this readslist?

[SirCakez]

I'm thinking I might end up on Brian, because Herr thinks we get way more info from that flip but I think both are scum.

Another Hermit post that bothered me. I almost wanted to call it lining up eliminations but it's not that deep. It just reeks to me like Crab knows Brian is flipping red and is setting up the agenda for tomorrow to try to still sink this miselimination. And the way it's worded is so blatantly telegraphing the setup for the Brian vote because notsci has been waxing on about how scummy I am while barely talking about Brian for the last couple days so they need a reason to move off me.

You complain about being “shaded” but how are you blaming anyone but yourself when you’re posting stuff like this?
“Crab is lining up mislim on D2 by bussing a partner D1”

Ah yes, we line up mislim by flipping the counterwagon red first. We are playing 4D crab chess over here.

-Herr Mitt

The elimination is >90% Brian at this point, I don't think you have a choice

[SirCakez]

By the way, when Chuck said that I felt like Cakez was low info lim, what he did not mention is that I wasn’t ready to abandon the possibility of Cakez being town starting off the wrong foot after joining late. Now I don’t feel like considering that venue anymore.

-Herr Mitt

This is also really not believable to me given what you've posted today

[SirCakez]

btw guys I'm already having dreams about this game somehow
In it Brian flipped town then I got immediately day-vigged in the first post of day two. So that's where my anxieties are at rn LMAO.

Let's hope that one doesn't come true ;_;

[SirCakez]

don't understand why he has repeatedly written large posts defending me

i feel like you of all people in this game, should be thinking this is at best NAI? So i am torn on this hot take from you on you being clueless.

Its like a well known meme between us that I defend you too often. And everytime I do, you end up being scum.
So you going "well this is weird" is in itself kind of weird. Because me defending you is is a sign that you are more likely scum than town lol.

I feel like you should be more suspicious of me at some point though. You even just said that you defend me a lot and when you do I'm often scum. So why aren't you thinking about that this game? I don't understand how you can feel so sure right now about me but not about pretty much anything else this game.

who said im super confident on u. Have u seen ur position in my reads list its just lean town

Okay, maybe you aren't super confident but you have definitely written a couple walls about me this game which I interpreted as confidence and you have not been that passionate about anything else.

[SirCakez]

@Firebringer I would like to see your Bingle case if you could write it

no, i am not doing it.

ok well then you should not be surprised that you are currently tanking in my reads

The fuck.

U wanted me to case Bingle so u could feel if i was town. U didn't care to be convinced of bingle scum.

U dirty little cakez. U didn't even want to be convinced bingle scum. I am definitely glad i didn't case bingle now. ill take the free scum read on myself

That's not true, I am actually interested in your Bingle case because he is also dropping in my scumreads. And yes it would help me figure out if you're town. So two purposes.

[SirCakez]

The only explanation I can see for Brian's play rn is that he's scum who's given up. This is like how I post when I'm caught scum just waiting to get eliminated.

[SirCakez]

I would think/hope town!Brian does SOMETHING here

[SirCakez]

The two of us feel confidently that scum in our hood is between old Katniss and cakeboy.

Didn't you just say you were no longer considering any world where I was town?

[SirCakez]

The two of us feel confidently that scum in our hood is between old Katniss and cakeboy.

Didn't you just say you were no longer considering any world where I was town?

Do the two statements contradict each other?

Yes, "between" to me implies that you think one of two is scum, not both. If you are 100% convinced I'm scum there shouldn't even be a "between"

The two of us feel confidently that scum in our hood is between old Katniss and cakeboy.

Didn't you just say you were no longer considering any world where I was town?

How many scum do you think are in our neighborhood?

Probably 1-2? I'm not really focused on that right now, when the POE has shrunken more I will

[SirCakez]

I also think that Shello attacking Morph for pushing to hammer caught scum Brian is weird.

[SirCakez]

Hermit Crab what makes you feel good enough about Bingle to remove him from the PoE?

He’s someone who ACTUALLY is pursuing non consensus pushes which people are seeking to attribute to scumboy over there, I like his morph trajectory, new Katniss said so

It's a lot easier to keep taking potshots instead of responding to how illogical your posts are

[SirCakez]

The two of us feel confidently that scum in our hood is between old Katniss and cakeboy.

Didn't you just say you were no longer considering any world where I was town?

Do the two statements contradict each other?

Yes, "between" to me implies that you think one of two is scum, not both. If you are 100% convinced I'm scum there shouldn't even be a "between"

How does this make sense

[SirCakez]

Here before lock

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sunflower
This or Shello or Bingle are good with me

I'm back burnering my raging Hermit SR for the purpose of getting the universal/obvious SRs out for now

[SirCakez]

VOTE: morph

But we may want to consider ending the day on one of the final five colons/five golden rings/five fingers of the hand/five senses

Why Morph?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: shello
Well that makes this easy, time to talk

[SirCakez]

Tf is Oddskeeper

[SirCakez]

This sounds fishy to me

[SirCakez]

This sounds fishy to me

What sounds fishy?

Oddskeeper/Vig does not sound like a real role

[SirCakez]

I didn't even realize the hoods had names

[SirCakez]

VOTE: morph

But we may want to consider ending the day on one of the final five colons/five golden rings/five fingers of the hand/five senses

Why Morph?

Because they're in your scum pt

At least come up with something more interesting than this

[SirCakez]

VOTE: morph

But we may want to consider ending the day on one of the final five colons/five golden rings/five fingers of the hand/five senses

Why Morph?

Because they're in your scum pt

At least come up with something more interesting than this

How about, I feel it in my jellies?

Definitely more interesting I've never heard jellies in this context

[SirCakez]

VOTE: morph

But we may want to consider ending the day on one of the final five colons/five golden rings/five fingers of the hand/five senses

Why Morph?

Because they're in your scum pt

At least come up with something more interesting than this

How about, I feel it in my jellies?

Definitely more interesting I've never heard jellies in this context

Not a true pokemon fan, I take it?

Spoiler:

No ;_;
I'm playing brilliant diamond rn tho!

[SirCakez]

Can Morph tell us if the Shello claim clears the guilty or not

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sunflower
Back to here

[SirCakez]

Morph is likely town because crab lived the night, FWIW.

that feels backwards to me unless this is mechanical related and not dayplay related

A little of column A, a little of column B.

Crabs is informed that I'm town. We've known we're both town fruit vendors since before D1 and I softed as such to morph then morph gave receipts of having gotten the message. I don't think hiding this is actually helpful at this point since the two of us should be pretty low on the kill list even as conftown.

[SirCakez]

Firebringer it is I suppose

[SirCakez]

My overnight pool got so fucked up so fast
Ig now I'm looking at (Sunflower, experience, wolfbae, Firebringer, Gypyx)

[SirCakez]

I really don't think it's Cakez. I will probably actively fight against his elimination today. I don't really think the Brian/Cakez dueling wagon wagons was scum/scum when there were so many players with wonky ass progression on both of them

If I'm wrong you can call me bad but I don't think I am

I thought he was good last night but his chats today are kind of bad. I definitely think some people are sus if he is good but I can't really be sure on him either way. What about his logs make you think he is good?

Elaborate, what was "kind of bad"

[SirCakez]

My overnight pool got so fucked up so fast
Ig now I'm looking at (Sunflower, experience, wolfbae, Firebringer, Gypyx)

bro you cant just expect us to believe that

you dont seem very motivated

huh? this post doesn't make any sense

[SirCakez]

I really don't think it's Cakez. I will probably actively fight against his elimination today. I don't really think the Brian/Cakez dueling wagon wagons was scum/scum when there were so many players with wonky ass progression on both of them

If I'm wrong you can call me bad but I don't think I am

I thought he was good last night but his chats today are kind of bad. I definitely think some people are sus if he is good but I can't really be sure on him either way. What about his logs make you think he is good?

Elaborate, what was "kind of bad"

It feels like you are kind of just going with the flow and blending in which is something I see evils do alot. You don't really have any substance to the stuff you are saying. It looks like you are trying not to draw attention after there was a train on you Day 1.

I feel like this is not a valid assessment to make ~6 hours into the day.

[SirCakez]

Wolfbae why the newbie gimmick?

[SirCakez]

Nevermind that. Reading the post explains the post.

Reading the post

does

explain the post!

The wonders of mafia.

Wolfbae why the newbie gimmick?

Because I like to have fun and it's just really funny to act dumb and see who doesn't notice your signature. I rolled with it because I felt it would garner interesting reactions.

did you get any interesting reactions?

[SirCakez]

"Downplay person sussing me with an OMGUS"

"Add pithy about how the game is ez for town"

"evil laughter"

This is like half the posts in this game

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Dunnstral

I am willing to collect pelts outside the inventor hood, though, if there is doubt and uncertainty about alignments in there (and admittedly I'm not fully confident because like how can you be confident on the alignment of someone not playing the game). Having reread this and feeling mostly okay about the majority of that other hood, I am fully content with voting here. I think his play is aimed at not makig waves but doesn't truly show scumhunting intent. The vote on Brian was quite weak and can easily be a bus (statistically in large games scum bus far more often than not on Day 1 scum elims).

I'm not sure about this, I think scum!Dunn could have very easily sat on me instead of the Brian wagon
He's also been making several good scumhunting posts in the hood that feel genuine to me

[SirCakez]

Luke do you still think Wolfbae is scummy post-gimmick drop?

[SirCakez]

Obviously I'm already on board with the Sunflower case. I find the most compelling points to be how they maneuvered around the D1 wagons and how their position on the Brian wagon is the most likely bus vote there.

[SirCakez]

(Klick was bleeding town btw, serious skill issue to anyone unable to recognize that. like c'mon the guy's not that hard to read.)

Why go into defending Klick?

I always find defending a player previously in a slot to be a little suspicious, I think scum are more likely to be worried about the overall thread perception of their slot and prior players in it like this

[SirCakez]

And if we are going to talk about Klick I still find it suspicious that they went AWOL right at EoD when the Brian wagon was becoming the inevitable elim

[SirCakez]

And if we are going to talk about Klick I still find it suspicious that they went AWOL right at EoD when the Brian wagon was becoming the inevitable elim

brother

Klick vanished from the game entirely

that's why i'm here

he didn't freeze, he stopped using the site entirely, and I think his other posts alluded to an OOG situation getting him down. I hope he's doing well now or that he's able to get through whatever he's dealing with. But him being absent is NAI at worst. Use your head.

ok I see, I didn't realize it was OOG related

[SirCakez]

sometimes i use my brain okay ;_;
sometimes..

[SirCakez]

I think cakez saw something scummy he thought he could score points on

i feel like all of cakez posts are this

This is a ridiculous take from both of you
This is literally scumhunting 101, ask questions about scummy posts. Wtf...

[SirCakez]

(Klick was bleeding town btw, serious skill issue to anyone unable to recognize that. like c'mon the guy's not that hard to read.)

Why go into defending Klick?

I always find defending a player previously in a slot to be a little suspicious, I think scum are more likely to be worried about the overall thread perception of their slot and prior players in it like this

scum post

Sell me, Dann?

oh man this game is tripping me out hard lol

[SirCakez]

it's low-key hilarious to me that 24 hours ago notsci was raging for my death by any means necessary and calling all of my posts scummy and now Dann calls one of my posts scummy and notsci is asking why. Like what a 180.

This isn't a comment on alignment at all I just think it's funny

[SirCakez]

I'm also down to yeet experience, I said overnight that I wanted to give them time to do something but literally nothing has happened soooo

[SirCakez]

sometimes i use my brain okay ;_;
sometimes..

I just reread my message and it probably came off harsher than I intended, sorry. I meant to be gently chastising you, not calling you a big dum-dum.

oh dw, I didn't take it seriously I was just being self deprecating

[SirCakez]

boop

[SirCakez]

muahaha

VOTE: experience
nobody even TRs this slot, let's get this wagon rolling

[SirCakez]

muahaha

VOTE: experience
nobody even TRs this slot, let's get this wagon rolling

cakez if you are a villager please stop being so god damn wolfy lmao

bruh

[SirCakez]

I'm not altering my play style because half of this game is incapable of reading me
I'm having fun so I'm happy with that

[SirCakez]

I'm not altering my play style because half of this game is incapable of reading me
I'm having fun so I'm happy with that

okay

ily

<3

To me Gypyx feels like a slot scum should have been trying to push if it was town and yet there just wasn't traction really which is probably telling.

This is a good point I haven't considered. Nobody's really been talking about Gypyx at all today til this.

[SirCakez]

Experience's readslist was not very compelling. Why is the lowest read null scum??

[SirCakez]

I am having a (admittedly probably bad) urge to flip cakez to force them to play that hand literally tomorrow if I am right, instead of being able to sit on it until it is most advantageous for them to play it.

Nooo ;_;
What if we didn't eliminate me just to develop your read on one player
I like that better

[SirCakez]

EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

if it helps explain your read on wolfbae, maybe.
but otherwise, i would say no.

PLEASE I CANT HOLD IT IN

WOLFBAE IS PETAPAN 100%

Luke is this who you thought Wolf was? Does it change your read?

[SirCakez]

I have some issues with Sunflower's response to Spiffeh's case in 4254

-In general I agree with Spiffeh's overall assessment that the entire defense is basically self-metaing that they wouldn't play this way as scum. The problem with that for me is Spiffeh's arguments aren't really related to meta at all. So I don't really find "oh I wouldn't play like this as scum" to be a compelling argument.

-Some of the thoughts stated in the post don't seem real to me. For example, Sunflower claims that they were playing pro-town by being inactive day 1 because of how many posts the game was getting. But as a townie, I think it's clearly most important to have your voice heard in thread and to engage others. I don't think townies strategize this way - intentionally posting less to help town?? That just doesn't seem like a legit defense at all. Another point I disliked was the argument that only town would have crumbed in this situation. I find that to be obviously not true across Mafia as a whole, but even specifically to this game, Sunflower's stated awareness of this argument essentially renders it mute because they can twist their own meta to fit the defense.

-I am also not a fan of their defense against Spiffeh's (and mine and some other people's too I think) argument that their vote on Brian was bussing. Saying there was no credit to be gained in voting Brian is not true because there has already been discussion about who was pushing Brian vs who was pushing me, and when I am inevitably eliminated or vigged this game Day One is going to come under a lot of scrutiny as to who was trying to save Brian by pushing me. Sunflower would have looked even worse if they had continued to sit on their vote on me instead of moving to Brian. So maybe there wasn't a ton of towncred to be grabbed from this situation but there certainly is scum motivation for this kind of vote maneuvering.

[SirCakez]

EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

if it helps explain your read on wolfbae, maybe.
but otherwise, i would say no.

PLEASE I CANT HOLD IT IN

WOLFBAE IS PETAPAN 100%

Luke is this who you thought Wolf was? Does it change your read?

The true question is what do you think of his alignment now that you know that

I'm torn, Peta is always hard for me to read and he hasn't been around this game for that long yet. I think his interactions with me have felt genuine enough I suppose. Wouldn't eliminate today.

[SirCakez]

Isn't that everyones role in the dethy

[SirCakez]

Gypyx do you really think spiffeh!scum hard busses his partner yesterday? It feels like youre throwing shit out there just to lessen how many townreads there are.

I could see experience not knowing we're all cop inventors as legit but tbh i just kinda think hes scum ajyways.

Im curious where cakez and oblivion went off to, no presense and nobodies susing them! I would LOVE to vote there today as well

DID SOMEBODY ASK FOR A CAKEZ???
(I was at a UFC event all day yesterday it was awesome btw!!)

[SirCakez]

sigh.

i dunno why i get angry playing mafia. i don't really get angry other times

i think i've always been annoyed when i've been accused of something i didn't do or getting in trouble when i didn't feel like i deserved it.

i guess it feels like slander to constantly have everything i've said be nitpicked and strawmaned until it fits this narrative that i'm scum

i don't think it's affecting anyone. i don't see anyone else voting me

so what are you doing to help the game? are you just going to keep waiting for me to say stuff so you can twist my words some more, or you are going to try to solve the game?

[SirCakez]

Cakez are you a member of the mafia

Yes

What is ufc

Mixed martial arts aka people beating the crap out of each other, where Conor McGregor got famous

[SirCakez]

Funny how u popped in instantly lol were you reading up?

I just check in mornings usually

[SirCakez]

altho I will admit I checked the thread yesterday during the event and saw that StD post and then I woke up and couldn't resist the joke anymore lol

Sorry StD ur the best <3

[SirCakez]

do y'all want me to claim before i head to bed (for real this time)?

do y'all want me to claim before i head to bed (for real this time)?

I mean, sure, go ahead

i'm an inventor of cops of unknown reliability neighbor.
i targeted marci n1.

Thinking about these posts

[SirCakez]

-Some of the thoughts stated in the post don't seem real to me. For example, Sunflower claims that they were playing pro-town by being inactive day 1 because of how many posts the game was getting. But as a townie, I think it's clearly most important to have your voice heard in thread and to engage others. I don't think townies strategize this way - intentionally posting less to help town?? That just doesn't seem like a legit defense at all.

Guess what, you think wrong. Even I have thought about making a response here and there and then decided not to bother because really there's already so many posts and it wasn't really that important and things are going fine. And Sunflower is a much more active slot than I am. Even when only fireisredsir is active.

Also, calling it "being inactive" is surely not how Sunflower phrased it and seems like throwing shade. Sunflower has over 200 posts and we're barely into Day 2. That shouldn't be

anyone's

definition of inactive.

I didn't realize they had that many posts day one. So not inactive then I suppose but they certainly did not feel like a strong thread presence D1 (especially at the EoD) and I still find that argument they made in the first paragraph of the wall to be pretty scummy.

[SirCakez]

whatever. what's done is done and there's no use getting upset over it.

Anyway....

this game just ended an hour ago, I think gypyx is kind of just outed mafia

like just check the iso check back here, let's yeet her and we can all sing kumbayah

sure
VOTE: gypyx

[SirCakez]

i'm public ennemy number 1, this is flattering

i thought that belonged to sir cakez or experience

Hello mr woofy do you have anything interesting to share with the class

[SirCakez]

the experience hood stuff is confusing me cuz I feel like I'm missing half the information, someone from that neighborhood just tell me if experience is scum or not lol

[SirCakez]

I can totally believe he could have not realized that everyone had the exact same role despite participating in making lists about distributing inventions, if that wasn't specifically mentioned at the same time.

I also find it pretty sus how a

certain someone

is claiming to be massively confused now just

after

experience clarified. Because that was totally a helpful clarification, even I was staring at this claim going "..... ". And I can't even see the hood.

I'm pretty confused by all the experience stuff too. I feel like that entire cop-inventor-dethy hood mess is a nightmare to understand, so I think this is a pretty weak take and I also have to agree with StD that it's lame you're using unrelated conversations to take constant potshots at him. That stuff always pisses me off too.

[SirCakez]

Bingle can you talk about why you think it's a 4p scum team?

[SirCakez]

(this is just me, not with ydra):

town: jingle, hermit crab
townlean: luke, dann, spiffeh
nulltown: csf, dunn, marci *, morph
null: penguin, wolfbae*, std, gypyx*
nullscum: sunflower, experience*, oblivion, firebagel
scumlean: cakez, firebringer
scum:

marci kinda debating between putting there and one tier down
wolfbae kinda debating between putting there and one tier down
gypyx kidna debating between putting there and one tier up
experience kind of debating between putting there and one tier up

probably something hereabouts
i wouldn't protest too much if we limmed anyone null and under and might actually vote them dependign on who it is
i actively want cakez/firebringer dead

If you actively want us dead, why are we only scum leans? This does not compute

[SirCakez]

I'm okay to give gypyx more time now that she showed up

VOTE: firebringer
I want to shake this tree, he's been extremely underwhelming today (and rlly yesterday too) and he currently feels like the most likely suspect for scum in my hood
I could also go back to experience or Sunflower, who has also once again gone missing

[SirCakez]

Cake tax once I serve it this morning.

Neuter, who is on like four hours of sleep.

why can I not understand any of the posts in this game LOL

[SirCakez]

tho now that you say that, i think everybody will be pissed at me after my flip.
p-edit: @luke

this is prolly the towniest thing experience has posted

[SirCakez]

muahahaha pagetopcakez strikes again

[SirCakez]

sigh.

i dunno why i get angry playing mafia. i don't really get angry other times

i think i've always been annoyed when i've been accused of something i didn't do or getting in trouble when i didn't feel like i deserved it.

i guess it feels like slander to constantly have everything i've said be nitpicked and strawmaned until it fits this narrative that i'm scum

i don't think it's affecting anyone. i don't see anyone else voting me

so what are you doing to help the game? are you just going to keep waiting for me to say stuff so you can twist my words some more, or you are going to try to solve the game?

memes are the way to my heart and to my trs

[SirCakez]

firebringer is obviously town

Elaborate? Not seeing it

[SirCakez]

Could just lim.
We have mislims to burn after all.

-HM

I'm never a fan of this gameplan, that's how you sink four mislims in a row and throw away any advantage we got from the Brian elim

[SirCakez]

I STRIKE AGAIN

[SirCakez]

I think of the most popular suggestions I would prefer Gypyx or Sunflower today. I don't feel as good about eliminating experience after their recent posts.

[SirCakez]

It doesn't know what that help looks like, be it players chatting with it and asking it questions or attempting to do mental models on players with 200 pages of content to... sift through....

It.... yeah. Just yeah.

don't feel forced to read everything, like, 200 pages is a lot for anyone

you want me to summarize everything?

this post kinda sounds weird to me idk how to explain it

[SirCakez]

Can we please not throw shade at masons

And this one too
I think it's because it sounds fake to me

VOTE: gypyx
I'll move back here with that and cuz no one bit on my Firebringer wagon attempt

[SirCakez]

Actually it seems like some people don't want Gypyx, some people don't want experience. But everybody fucking knows Sunflower is scum. Let's get them out of here.

VOTE: sunflower

[SirCakez]

I think of the most popular suggestions I would prefer Gypyx or Sunflower today. I don't feel as good about eliminating experience after their recent posts.

Ok can u vote sunflower plz

Ha you barely beat me to it

[SirCakez]

SirCakez should not be on the list.

^ dont send me inventions

[SirCakez]

Actually it seems like some people don't want Gypyx, some people don't want experience. But everybody fucking knows Sunflower is scum. Let's get them out of here.

VOTE: sunflower

If experience is scum, sunflower is not, and vice versa, is the concern.

I think I know which..

I mean, you feel super duper Scummoned right now, my dude.

Ding ding ding

[SirCakez]

Sunflower who do you even think is scum??

[SirCakez]

Sunflower who do you even think is scum??

[Firebringer, Firebagel, Lukewarm]
[experience, morph the cat, Dunnstral, Gypyx, SirCakez, PenguinPower, Cat Scratch Fever]

here's a lazy poe

You are one of the popular elimination candidates today, which is coming in roughly 72 hours, and the best you can offer is a lazy poe?

[SirCakez]

Sunflower who do you even think is scum??

He doesnt give any shits and just echos whats popular rn. If hes scum wouldnt he care more about the obv bandeagoning >.>

I mean I appreciate you calling me town but I don't think I've just been echoing other people lol

[SirCakez]

Sunflower who do you even think is scum??

He doesnt give any shits and just echos whats popular rn. If hes scum wouldnt he care more about the obv bandeagoning >.>

I mean I appreciate you calling me town but I don't think I've just been echoing other people lol

Whats ur spiciest read rn then

For starters I do think experience is town now
For a little spicier I think Oblivion is a potential scum candidate and I also don't think Shello is cleared by the claim stuff from earlier either. But I'm not pursuing either of these today.

[SirCakez]

you, sir cakez, and experience all inexplicably hard sussing each other but also not voting each other

This is straight up false, I'm not even scumreading experience

[SirCakez]

Sunflower who do you even think is scum??

He doesnt give any shits and just echos whats popular rn. If hes scum wouldnt he care more about the obv bandeagoning >.>

I mean I appreciate you calling me town but I don't think I've just been echoing other people lol

Whats ur spiciest read rn then

For starters I do think experience is town now
For a little spicier I think Oblivion is a potential scum candidate and I also don't think Shello is cleared by the claim stuff from earlier either. But I'm not pursuing either of these today.

OOO THIS SPEAKS TO MY SOUL-

tell me more abt the oblivion read <3

can I hold onto this one until tmrw?

[SirCakez]

did you read up before making those posts?

[SirCakez]

Hello everyone irl is making me big mad so instead SIR BAKEZ HAS ENTERED THE CHAT

[SirCakez]

AND ITS 4:20
IVE ASCENDED TO MY FINAL STAGE

[SirCakez]

It feels like there's a cycle of "Pick somebody not saying much"--->"a few votes on them"-->"They show up"--->"They make bare minimum reisen 1.0 posts to get out of the doghouse"--->"Pick somebody else not saying much" going on this game phase.

I don't really think this is true? The three people you alluded to are all the same three that are being proposed for elimination. I unfortunately also think this means there's one or even two town within them.

Hello everyone irl is making me big mad so instead SIR BAKEZ HAS ENTERED THE CHAT

Try to not scumslip this time mr bakez

SHUSH

[SirCakez]

Why are we killing experience over sunflower, again?

He speaks the truth!!

[SirCakez]

I don't really think this is true? The three people you alluded to are all the same three that are being proposed for elimination. I unfortunately also think this means there's one or even two town within them.

I mean that the leading wagon keeps changing between the three. Not that we're dropping them completely, but butterfly chasing is occurring.

yes so we must choose a way

[SirCakez]

i mean, it's reasonable people doubt my explanation but not when they're misconstruing my posts and then proceeding to use that as the crux of their case. (like, sure, go ahead and say 'i don't trust experience' but it's annoying when it's like 'experience not knowing that the hood inventors were all the same = experience must be scum dumbtelling')

Dude, I'm sorry, but the "oops all cop inventors" nature of your hood was such a big topic of the Day 1, repeatedly coming up over and over spread through out the day, both before and after you repped in, that for you to have literally never seen it means that you read so little of this game that it is truly negligent levels of not even trying (as either alignment) for you to not have seen it.

Saying it must be you dumb telling as scum is, in my opinion, the nicer assumption about your play this game (you are purposefully doing a silly strat to try to save yourself vs you simply don't give a shit).

that's fair i guess.

tho now that you say that, i think everybody will be pissed at me after my flip.
p-edit: @luke

but i'll try putting more time aside for this game if it helps everybody read me
(tho i feel like a lot of people will be disappointed in my flip)

SirBakez says scum don't say shit like this, this reads like town!experience is close to giving up and knows that they have been letting people down. The way Gypyx and Sunflower returned feels much more likely to be scum.

[SirCakez]

Like Sunflower's recent posts have also given me the checked out vibes, but it feels like the Brian kind of checked out where they are scum caught in the headlights, I don't feel any sort of town passion or emotion there

[SirCakez]

VOTE: wolfbae

the intrusive thoughts

they are strong

No chance this is happening today, pick Sunflower or Experience (but really just Sunflower)

[SirCakez]

It's time to weed out the garden

[SirCakez]

VOTE: wolfbae

the intrusive thoughts

they are strong

No chance this is happening today, pick Sunflower or Experience (but really just Sunflower)

VOTE: Experience

coming around pretty strongly to the idea that this is TvT so i'll just take the lower impact lim

What makes you think TvT?

[SirCakez]

Can we stop throwing the game now

VOTE: Sunflower to start