Open 891: STDBINSBICACOT (Game Over)

[gob]

Alright, everyone. I am the COP.

Yes, this is serious.

[gob]

TP/LO ON ME!!!!!

[gob]

VOTE: dunn

Im actually not super stoked about speccing about the timing of the PM deliveries and the replace outs, being said replace out

tf, who even thinks about this? You're probably town cause mafia would have something more important to think about.

[gob]

Alright, everyone. I am the COP.

Yes, this is serious.

TP/LO ON ME!!!!!

Wtf?

What seems to be the problem, Black?

[gob]

VOTE: Dunnstral
I was going to go with random, but I think the confirmation speculation is worth a vote on its own.

Id pick ascetic informed and recruit traitor personally

I'd be torn between the Ascetic and the BP Godfather. Either one is only useful depending on what roles town got.

VOTE: Titus

It's been a minute since I've been in a game with her.

VOTE: dunn

Im actually not super stoked about speccing about the timing of the PM deliveries and the replace outs, being said replace out

One of these should be voted off.

Opening post being a vote + explanation is usually scum. Town doesn't drop an explanation with their vote because why bother?

Pisskop I think may be town, so lets vote between.

davesaz

and

shaddowez

I'll vote Shaddowez cause I've never voted them before in a game.

VOTE: Shaddowez

[gob]

Odd in confusing null way

You gonna prot me?

[gob]

vote davesaz because im already voting there

okay

VOTE: davesaz

Odd in confusing null way

You gonna prot me?

Prot?

Protection. Don't actually answer.

[gob]

What seems to be the problem, Black?

I don't like the claim but I guess we should believe you

I don't like 95 either but I think you just play weird

that's what people say. I think I'm the only normal person though.

[gob]

We dont need an opinion of Gob's role to read gob's play.

I think we should read him as if he were a vanilla, and ignore the claim ftm

I agree.

[gob]

I think the vote on shaddowez in 94 feels weird because gob seems to distrust people that vote with an explanation in their first post, but shaddowez's reason was literally just "I haven't played with Titus in awhile" which seems like pure RVS to me

What the fuck. Are you gonna just fucking link my post and give your bad take every time now? We get it, you scumread me. Save it for a big post later in the day.

[gob]

Gob join me

doing what?

[gob]

No. Are you scum with davesaz, Titus? Seems you jumped off them quickly

[gob]

Not liking Roden here.

[gob]

Opening post being a vote + explanation is usually scum. Town doesn't drop an explanation with their vote because why bother?

Wrong, if you care to pay attention to the difference between random opening votes and points in the game where something significant has already showed up.

What do you mean wrong? lol

And why are you trying to say im not paying attention? My read was on only the opening posts and how they were formatted. That is significant to me.

What a wolfy post from you.

[gob]

Wait, I'm lecturing someone who never seems to effort.

lol. Eat shit.

[gob]

Read 178.

What? That doesn't explain your Dann scumread at all

LOL

[gob]

You're done Davesaz.

[gob]

^ Way too into the weeds about reads and what people said.

[gob]

Dann improved since. Gob is doing essentially nothing, and imo aggressively so.

How is sorting people doing nothing lol? I am saying you are scum and you don't want to accept that.

[gob]

And why are you trying to say im not paying attention?

I might not have replied to this.
I made a post where I called out something that I think was explicitly scummy.
This is

not

a "RVS post with an explanation". You would know this, if you were paying attention and actually reading.
I'm not just "trying" to say it. I'm flat out saying you did not read for content.

Wtf is your problem dude.

[gob]

btw if I was mafia I would probably pick no powers. If daytalk was optional I probably wouldn't even pick daytalk but ig that is context dependent on who my partner is.

Happy birthday.

[gob]

Sorry I'm not trying to be difficult. That's actually me trying to be utterly open about what I'm trying to say.
I haven't said it this game yet, I'm an old guy who tends to virtually whack people I think are doing unproductive/bad things. In this case gob and to a lesser extent Dann, though I must admit it is a lot more subtle than voting someone for intentionally pagetopping.

I haven't decided who I like for the next vote.

What about me? Who has done fuck all this game so far?

Doctor Drew and Pisskop are town here. For sure.

6 players with 10 or fewer posts is not enough to go on. It's a target rich environment, but not the right kind of targets.

Seems like an excuse to me davesaz.

How about this, you put down the analysis and instead put UP your emotions. If you want to reveal yourself as town to me, then you need to use your emotions.

[gob]

Seems a bit too easy for Doctor Drew to be mafia. They aren't exactly hiding that they aren't doing much.

Dunnstral you havent been doing too much either. What's that about?

[gob]

The problem stems from the fact that his only source of "content" in the game: When he's coasting off of other people's scumreads in the same sequence. His vote on Black was naked and never explained later, quickly following a post where he complained about the activity. His response to Gob saying he didn't like Roden was again naked, in the very next post after Gob, and never explained later. He then deflects his own lack of content by questioning Titus, when he's already indicated he believes she moved the vote from one person he dislikes and onto another.

He has done nothing to suggest he had a genuine read on Black or Roden. The fact that his vote didn't move from Black to Roden doesn't change this.

He's had a towny state of mind thoever.

[gob]

He's had a towny state of mind thoever.

Admitting that you're not doing anything is like the easiest thing for scum to do and it shows he's aware of it and that it might look scummy. This could come from town or scum so I'm not sure why you are ruling out one of the options

The way he randomly responded to davesaz mentioning they didnt do anything. The only person who goes out of there way to say something like that is town. A scum would do something else before that.

[gob]

He's had a towny state of mind thoever.

Admitting that you're not doing anything is like the easiest thing for scum to do and it shows he's aware of it and that it might look scummy. This could come from town or scum so I'm not sure why you are ruling out one of the options

The way he randomly responded to davesaz mentioning they didnt do anything. The only person who goes out of there way to say something like that is town. A scum would do something else before that.

Scum that wants to emphasize that they are doing nothing in order to continue doing nothing might do it. I'm not saying this makes Drew scum but I don't see how it clears him tbh

Obviously I'm not clearing him, but for Day 1 I am not looking in his direction.

[gob]

Seems a bit too easy for Doctor Drew to be mafia. They aren't exactly hiding that they aren't doing much.

Dunnstral you havent been doing too much either. What's that about?

I don't have a scumread.

You usually gotta do something, ask questions, to get a scumread on someone. Here, try it on me. Ask me a question.

[gob]

I like the thought Dannflor puts forward in posts 173 and 186.

Gob I don't have anything I want to ask you. Wondering why you claimed at the start of the game and whether it is real and I'm not willing to vote you for today at least over it.

Okay. Sounds good.

[gob]

I still think Roden is the scummiest player so far

I don't really like how Titus is engaging with the game so I would be ok going there

I'm fine with SS too I think

I think it's Roden's avatar, not an actual read. Their avatar just gives scum vibes.

[gob]

how do you feel about VOTE: pisskop instead

I think pisskop is town. One of my stronger reads.

[gob]

It appears gob has either gotten busy or isn't interested in sparring.
UNVOTE:

There was nothing to spar lol. I even went and looked.

[gob]

Crazy how my two biggest townreads are the two most popular wagon candidates.

shaddowez, Something_smart, Alisae i didnt see anything towny from them so I'm down to vote one of them too. Probably not Alisae though because she has been busy or whatever.

So davesaz, shadoews or something_shart

[gob]

I think davesaz is smart enough to fake their self-meta (really bad concept to ever bring up, btw. Focusing on the wrong things in this game if you ever think about your own meta)

But if other people are town reading him I will relent.

[gob]

I think shaddowez could be scum

Let's do it up

VOTE: shaddowez

[gob]

Can you go into why pisskop is your strongest TR?

VOTE: dunn

Im actually not super stoked about speccing about the timing of the PM deliveries and the replace outs, being said replace out

tf, who even thinks about this? You're probably town cause mafia would have something more important to think about.

basically this. His non-solvy posts I also get the vibe he's a town who hasn't got anything going yet this game.

[gob]

Crazy how my two biggest townreads are the two most popular wagon candidates.

Who's the other btw

Drew. I'm less strong on Drew but im still against voting them today.

[gob]

Can you go into why pisskop is your strongest TR?

VOTE: dunn

Im actually not super stoked about speccing about the timing of the PM deliveries and the replace outs, being said replace out

tf, who even thinks about this? You're probably town cause mafia would have something more important to think about.

basically this. His non-solvy posts I also get the vibe he's a town who hasn't got anything going yet this game.

Pisskop is your strongest townread based on his first post of the game and the fact that he's not solving?

Yeah ngl that feels weird

him not solving isn't making me townread him, lol. But his tone feels like a frusterated town who is having trouble getting stuff going.

[gob]

What do you even mean "mafia have something more important to think about"? It's a page 1 vote

It just doesn't seem like something a scum would think about. I find that town usually does the "extra shit" as in thinking stuff that is pointless but they do it anyway because they have free time.

[gob]

I haven't a clue how to interpret anything gob posts.

Well you can start by giving me what I ask for, which is your emotions. I am not going to bother reading your logical posts because I don't care about what logic your brain has. I know it will get me nowhere.

[gob]

It's amazing what a little mini-wagon can do. I liked pisskop's response.
UNVOTE:

Who to light a fire under next? Drew or Titus maybe?

What about shaddowez? Why not mention them

[gob]

wtf is pisskop supposed to say. that's just a nothing post.

I am always ignoring dumb posts people say, like davesaz' vote against me earlier.

[gob]

Well you can start by giving me what I ask for, which is your emotions.

You don't think anger is emotion?

You were angry? Lol, dude relax its just a game

[gob]

Crazy how my two biggest townreads are the two most popular wagon candidates.

Who's the other btw

Drew. I'm less strong on Drew but im still against voting them today.

How are they stronger town than those who are actively working to discover alignments and solve the game?

Like, I am with Dave here. I don't understand the scum reads on me, but I also don't know how you can call me strong town(unless you are super familiar with me, it is easy to see I am town here).

But, not sure why Gob of all people is so confident.

I’m not as confident on you as I am on pisskop, especially after the recent comments. But eh i guess your skepticism of me here is good lol

[gob]

Well you can start by giving me what I ask for, which is your emotions.

You don't think anger is emotion?

You were angry? Lol, dude relax its just a game

I'm curious what you were thinking you'd see btw. Like "show emotion" is a really bizarre thing to say.

Who knows, sometimes I just say whatever sounds right, even if it doesn’t make sense.

[gob]

wtf is pisskop supposed to say. that's just a nothing post.

I am always ignoring dumb posts people say, like davesaz' vote against me earlier.

How is that a nothing post? Dannflor voted pisskop and gave the reason that he struggled to find pisskop taking a stance on anyone's alignment

Dave voted for you because he wanted to fight or something

These are not the same

twas a nothing post

[gob]

You were angry? Lol, dude relax its just a game

What other emotion would you expect to show through someone's posts besides anger?

Can you not show happiness through post?

Heck you can even express love through text, idk if thats an emotion though.

Anyway it is what it is. I dont have to read davesaz lol, im the cop! I can just check him at night.

Not that i will, I havent decided yet.

[gob]

Currently I want to fade within {pisskop, Roden, Titus, SS, shadow}

Roden, Titus, who is SS?

Shadowez yes for sure

[gob]

Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.

[gob]

Maybe he thinks town have fun and if you're not clowning around then you're not fun and thus not town? But that ignores the concept that some people's idea of fun is to be serious.

That is not what I thought at all.

[gob]

Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.

If you're gonna be lazy then don't play. I haven't made anything I'd consider a remotely long post yet.

Yea but yours just go on and on with no formatting. Wasn't being serious, tho

[gob]

Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.

I'd much sooner vote you for being purposely obtuse

you calling me fat?

[gob]

Didn't think I missed anything, and confirmed by her ISO I still don't believe this is scumTitus.

Pre Edit: I will lead the wagon and take full responsibility for it if everyone wants to hop on board lol

You need to relax.

I am not even trolling idk what everyone is so up in arms about seriously

[gob]

Roden seems good to me.

[gob]

Im kinda feeling depressed today.

[gob]

I be chillin

[gob]

I believe in Alisae. Lets give her a chance.

[gob]

Roden seems good to me.

Any reason you're still just hanging out on me then?

I liked their posts. Seemed towny.

and yea i think you are potential scum

[gob]

Mafia must be happy how things are going rn, lest they would drive activity up.

[gob]

whats going on people

[gob]

whats going on people

You said Shaddow is possible scum. Are you ever going to say why?

Already did.

[gob]

<snip>

Not liking Roden here.

I wasn't either until this.....Roden's interactions with pisskop felt strange, but not forced. As I was reading my initial thought was "I don't like this", then it gets kinda dropped and gamestate changed. He also disappeared, but I did today too so I have not stones to throw.
<snip>

Why does gob's very brief post change your thought on Roden?

Yea that is a little odd lol.

[gob]

wow i just started playing TODAY and I already got a wagon going when people were struggling to get a wagon going
incredible

I have been building this wagon in the background, actually.

[gob]

wow i just started playing TODAY and I already got a wagon going when people were struggling to get a wagon going
incredible

I have been building this wagon in the background, actually.

oh ok ya you're right you get all of the credit actually

We can share the credit 50/50

[gob]

I'm thinking we stick to shaddowez here Black.

I got prodded but I don't have much else to say.

[gob]

Drew is kinda bugging me.

I find it weird how they randomly scumread me after I townread them.

The read reminds me of me scumreading people who find me townie as scum.

[gob]

I'm thinking we stick to shaddowez here Black.

I got prodded but I don't have much else to say.

I'd rather fade Titus. What are your thoughts on her?

Yea they're scum you're right. Their first post is classic scum opening.

VOTE: Titus

[gob]

I'm thinking we stick to shaddowez here Black.

I got prodded but I don't have much else to say.

I'd rather fade Titus. What are your thoughts on her?

Yea she is scum you're right. Her first post is classic scum opening.

VOTE: Titus

Fixed, my bad.

[gob]

why is titus scum

why not?

[gob]

Not my read dude, ask Black.

[gob]

^ just a funny joke.

I think Titus' first post is likely from scum. She comes in very formal quoting someone. Also later on she starts sorting people like "X is town" or "X is scum" which I think scum does when they want everyone to know 100% where their reads are.

[gob]

I don't think it's Roden.

[gob]

I don't think it's Roden.

Why? What has he done other than shade me?

Be in his town meta.

[gob]

You're triggering my tendency to SR people who say they have a team solve d1.

This doesnt seem like too useful of a post. It is just light shading Titus and nothing more.

[gob]

Anti-intent

UNVOTE: shaddowez

[gob]

that modkill was unfortunate, but it happened.

Are you mafia?

[gob]

Black, do you not see shallow reads as a bad thing? Not necessarily scummy bad, but to me the term implies that you haven't thought very deeply or considered very much.

Eh, it's just a term. I wouldn't read too much into it.

[gob]

Is nobody gonna ask who I checked last night?

[gob]

I never believed your claim but if youve got a result lay it down.

Well thats the thing... I checked you and you're mafia.

[gob]

by all means gob, if thats a real claim lmk so we do dance

gob please tell me you aren't faking

Why would you guys not believe me here?

[gob]

lol

This is serious Dannflor.

[gob]

okey VOTE: pisskop

Let's not be hasty here.

[gob]

I actually agree with Black's analysis. What I did was a misplay... if i was actually Cop.

Youre badposting rn black. You already explained what your meant, and now youre building a narrative off of an extremely superficial premise

I completely disagree.

VOTE: pisskop

[gob]

Yes i'll just nip the fakeclaim in the bud right now. It seems nobody ever really bought it anyway so it wasn't that useful.

[gob]

I did that same thing today that I did on page 1.

mm, nah your posting has been a little weird.

[gob]

I can't help feeling that gob has been trying to bait attention from the cop, if there is one. I said already that I flat don't understand his play here, at all.

Definitely not my intention. If you want to know what I was trying to do, just ask me.

[gob]

What other purpose does fakeclaiming cop have?

Seriously? You can do a shit ton with a fakeclaim. I was gonna save it and fake a red check on whoever i found.

[gob]

@gob why do you townread Roden?

I'm not townreading Roden, but I think they get scumread early because of their avatar.

[gob]

that modkill was unfortunate, but it happened.

this post feels a little disingenuous
it's not substantive and also doesn't convincingly advances a clear rhetorical or cathartic objective
i feel like it's just there to be there

VOTE: pisskop

Where were you day 1?

[gob]

I don't think it's Roden.

@gob why do you townread Roden?

I'm not townreading Roden, but I think they get scumread early because of their avatar.

Can you elaborate why you don't think Roden is scum and why you don't consider that stance a townread?

I was saying that to get people to look elsewhere

[gob]

I really hate fakeclaiming. Seems particular harmful to fakeclaim cop in a setup like this. What would gob have done if someone had CC'd him? Say "woops sry" and go on w/o any shame? But otoh it's hard to see mafia doing something that irresponsible either, even accounting for the traitor tell rationale.

If the real cop did that then they would be bad. Not on me.

[gob]

can i ask why, at the risk of you repeating something you may have said and I glazed over

You talking to me here?

Anyway pisskop if you are town then who is the mafia here?

[gob]

I don't like Alisae or Pisskop here.

[gob]

okey VOTE: pisskop

Let's not be hasty here.

btw gob why are you trolling?
I don't really care that you're doing it but why are you doing it

?? It's not really trolling its just like a small joke.

Anyway, it's time I start taking this game more seriously. There is solving that can be done.

[gob]

Whats the point when people will just ignore what I say anyway?

Well.... im not sure.

[gob]

Whats the point when people will just ignore what I say anyway?

Well.... im not sure.

does that matter

does what matter? if people ignore me or not?

Obviously it matters.

[gob]

it shouldn't
idc about being listened to I just wanna be right

I solve games so quickly I need other places to challenge myself.

[gob]

Crescent (3)- pisskop, Black, Doctor Drew

shaddowez

(3)- gob, Alisae,

Titus

Titus

(2)-

shaddowez

, Roden
pisskop (2)- Dannflor, Crescent
Roden (1)-

Dunnstral

Not Voting (2)- davesaz, Something_Smart


Not looking good for Crescent, pisskop or Roden. Also davesaz and Something being off is sorta bad but ik the day ended early so this isn't exactly perfect.

I'm thinking we go Crescent or Pisskop. Roden is pretty in-line with their town meta.

[gob]

Actually that doesn't really make sense let me re think that.

[gob]

Okay. Yea we still vote between Crescent and Pisskop because they're cross voting.

But my original logic is bad.

[gob]

I actually have a green check on Roden.

[gob]

Whoever was complaining about me fakeclaiming earlier is probably mafia btw. That is the classic mafia line.

[gob]

I actually have a green check on Roden.

Do you like hearing yourself talk

Love it.

[gob]

Doesn't matter how much you ignore it pisskop, the scumread isn't going away.

[gob]

Whoever was complaining about me fakeclaiming earlier is probably mafia btw. That is the classic mafia line.

how did you come to believe that saying fakeclaiming sucks is so scummy

It's your posts. They are very AtE-lite. it's just blanket complaining but doesnt progress the game forward or reveal your thoughts on any of the player's alignments.

However, you seem to be doing that a lot so maybe thats just how you play.

[gob]

HM, me and pisskop posting at the exact same time.

[gob]

Im so bored someone come & solve with me. Even you pisskop

[gob]

Whoever was complaining about me fakeclaiming earlier is probably mafia btw. That is the classic mafia line.

how did you come to believe that saying fakeclaiming sucks is so scummy

It's your posts. They are very AtE-lite. it's just blanket complaining but doesnt progress the game forward or reveal your thoughts on any of the player's alignments.

However, you seem to be doing that a lot so maybe thats just how you play.

but you said it’s a “classic” mafia line. also you identified it as a scummy behavior even before recalling that i was the one who made it. are you now saying that it’s only scummy because of the way i did it?

Yea. It is the classic line and scummy coming from most people. But i could be wrong is what im saying. We'll see if I am.

[gob]

still leaves my question unanswered. your provided response only makes sense if you realized that complaining about fakeclaiming is a “classic mafia line” in the last 48 hours or so

Huh? why

[gob]

Whoever was complaining about me fakeclaiming earlier is probably mafia btw. That is the classic mafia line.

how did you come to believe that saying fakeclaiming sucks is so scummy

It's your posts. They are very AtE-lite. it's just blanket complaining but doesnt progress the game forward or reveal your thoughts on any of the player's alignments.

However, you seem to be doing that a lot so maybe thats just how you play.

but you said it’s a “classic” mafia line. also you identified it as a scummy behavior even before recalling that i was the one who made it. are you now saying that it’s only scummy because of the way i did it?

Yea. It is the classic line and scummy coming from most people. But i could be wrong is what im saying. We'll see if I am.

For my play style, I pretty much require all town to be truthful. If there is a choice between lying and saying nothing, I'm for saying nothing all the time.
There are a few limited and targeted exceptions, very few.

So your play style REQUIRES all town to be truthful? That seems like a massive disadvantage. Wouldn't it be better to have a play style that can function even if townies lie?

[gob]

Wouldn't it be better to have a play style that can function even if townies lie?

With a clear cut distinction between those who are lying because they have to and those who aren't because they don't need to, I find it much easier to sort.
I find that lies from townies often result in mislims and bad action choices.
Town lies also provide scum a place to hide at times.

I think your way of looking at the game is wrong. Yea that way may work most of the time, but mafia can adapt. There are really many acceptable ways to play, including lying as Town. In fact after a certain point it becomes necessary for Town to lie, since they cannot let mafia know what they're truly thinking. Doing otherwise often makes you a common NK target if you're good enough.

But i dont really feel like arguing this so you do you. What do you think about Alisae now that more time has passed?

[gob]

Good evening.

[gob]

Hi

I still want to fade Roden. I don't think he has done anything particularly townie and two dead townies thought he was scum

Not the strongest case ever but here we are

I find your constant instance on Roden to be weird at this point. I feel like Roden has been towny enough for today.

too amped to meme

anyone want to give me their POV on the

dunn/titus/shaddowez

trio?

I think that Shaddowez is a potential vigilante kill. Dunn is likely the mafia kill. There was some suspicion on shadowez so idk why the mafia would kill shaddowez.

[gob]

i want more than 3 townreads

Well you are scum I think. Based on how pisskop voted yesterday. I have liked your posts since you replaced in, seems solvey. So I'm down to vote

VOTE: Crescent

Instead.

I am also sort of warming up to an Alisae wagon... I do not like giving those types of players the benefit of the doubt a lot.

[gob]

I find your constant instance on Roden to be weird at this point. I feel like Roden has been towny enough for today.

what if I told you she was mafia

Perhaps. I really did like their day 1 though, so i'll see what she says.

[gob]

Seems many people are townreading me.

How about you guys trust me as well, and vote along with me. Let's put some pressure on Crescent's slot.

[gob]

black

i want to townread you but you having a pool large enough to guarantee almost half is town is really giving me a pause

What do you think my pool is

roden, me, dannflor, gob, alisae

from what IVE read in less than 10 pages of this game.

like at least 2/5 are town and i townread

gob/alisae

so this isnt far-fetched

I think Dann could be town and I'm not sure about gob. You're a question mark too but I think I lean town here. You're right about Alisae and Roden though

Wtf are you not sure about? Seems Day 2 has given you more questions than answers in your reads... which is actually pretty towny.

@Alisae
Black is probably town.

[gob]

i treat predecessors like masons

pedit

black

i want to townread you but you having a pool large enough to guarantee almost half is town is really giving me a pause

What do you think my pool is

roden, me, dannflor, gob, alisae

from what IVE read in less than 10 pages of this game.

like at least 2/5 are town and i townread

gob/alisae

so this isnt far-fetched

I think Dann could be town and I'm not sure about gob. You're a question mark too but I think I lean town here. You're right about Alisae and Roden though

you think they're bussing?

pedit again

Seems many people are townreading me.

How about you guys trust me as well, and vote along with me. Let's put some pressure on Crescent's slot.

who even is

crescent

, i have scoured these pages and while ive largely skimmed, i havent seen them pop up

I think the wagons at the time of Titus' death, along with the Night kills implicates Crescent and pisskop (your slot).

So I want to vote one of you. I am still down to vote you, of course.

[gob]

okay that's your opinion dude

Sometimes its best to sit back and solely boost someone's power.

[gob]

Well I don't want to hammer anyone.

[gob]

titus

was modkilled, im not dissecting that and i dont know why - frankly i dont care to know why, so i really dont think theres valuable game info about the timing of

titus'

death that isnt pure speculation

Scummy post.

I am feeling more and more confident it's you my friend.

[gob]

This is not a defense.

I think your posts have been super appealy to everyone.

[gob]

titus

was modkilled, im not dissecting that and i dont know why - frankly i dont care to know why, so i really dont think theres valuable game info about the timing of

titus'

death that isnt pure speculation

Scummy post.

I am feeling more and more confident it's you my friend.

Genuinely, I don't understand what you expect from me. I don't think it's appropriate for me to have another perpsective since I don't know the details even when I'm trying to scour the game looking for them.

Well what you actually said is totally irrelevant to my post. It was the fact you posted something so appealy.

[gob]

One of these 2 are wolfing me for sure

gob

you should backoff and focus elsewhere, the confbias is getting on my nerves

Okay, I will do that.

[gob]

It's not really confbiasing really btw. I knew 50/50 between you and Cresecent there is a likely maf. Or potentially Roden is deep, but I think they're towny so far.

[gob]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Pile onto this boyos.

[gob]

Increased teaching assistant workload brcause someone is sick, grant proposal is due, insurance denials, exams

I'm going VLA until Thursday.

Holy shit its over…. we lose here

[gob]

Waz hannin

[gob]

Dannflor
Black (low confidence read)

Alisae (yes I'm grumpy. I detected a slight but noticeable change so maybe it worked)
gob

Roden
Taly (vague memory of being good at rehabilitating a slot, pisskop was trending a bit lower)
Crescent (posting gave me a good impression but a lot of it would be easy to fake. very likely to be replaced)

Psyche
Something_Smart (has mostly escaped my attention, and it's pretty rare to get to middle of d2 and not remember much of what a player has done)

VOTE: Something_Smart

I agree with most of thes, although I wouldn't have Dannflor up there. Maybe you in place of dannflor i guess. I also don't think Roden should be down there.

Dannflor
Black (low confidence read)

Alisae (yes I'm grumpy. I detected a slight but noticeable change so maybe it worked)
gob

Roden
Taly (vague memory of being good at rehabilitating a slot, pisskop was trending a bit lower)
Crescent (posting gave me a good impression but a lot of it would be easy to fake. very likely to be replaced)

Psyche
Something_Smart (has mostly escaped my attention, and it's pretty rare to get to middle of d2 and not remember much of what a player has done)

VOTE: Something_Smart

Why is

Psyche

so low?

? Seems fine to me.

[gob]

It's not really confbiasing really btw. I knew 50/50 between you and Cresecent there is a likely maf. Or potentially Roden is deep, but I think they're towny so far.

I should return to this because there's a bg fallacy in your thinking. You seem to posit that

Crescent/I

must be TvS but you don't seem very critical of that idea. Do you have an actual result that suggests this or is this purely your own subjective thought?

I also don't like that you mention

Roden

is a deepwolf but don't investigate further, that's both low effort and interesting that you're choosing an already wagoned slot as a pivot point.

I'm trying to understand how sincere you actually are with your reads.

Well I am not always sincere with my reads, I'll just say that straight up. However if you think I am town, and you are also town, then it is fine to just believe my reads as if they are real.

I think it's between you and Crecent (Gamma)because every other wagon had people killed on it, indicating it's one of you. Also pisskop and Crescent were also cross-voting, which usually means it's a good flip since it spews the other. Roden actually isn't in the pool though, it's just you and Crescent. viewtopic.php?p=13984456#p13984456

I only mentioned Roden as a deepwolf because I haven't actually read his slot, I've only read the people reading his slot to determine he's town.

[gob]

VOTE: Dunnstral
I was going to go with random, but I think the confirmation speculation is worth a vote on its own.

Id pick ascetic informed and recruit traitor personally

I'd be torn between the Ascetic and the BP Godfather. Either one is only useful depending on what roles town got.

VOTE: Titus

It's been a minute since I've been in a game with her.

VOTE: dunn

Im actually not super stoked about speccing about the timing of the PM deliveries and the replace outs, being said replace out

One of these should be voted off.

Opening post being a vote + explanation is usually scum. Town doesn't drop an explanation with their vote because why bother?

Pisskop I think may be town, so lets vote between.

davesaz

and

shaddowez

I'll vote Shaddowez cause I've never voted them before in a game.

VOTE: Shaddowez

this feels like bullshit
what's your source on scum giving a reason for RVS votes? I've seen certain players use this to great effect but it's absolutely player-dependent in some regards. Such as: a player noticed scum often gave justifications for piling onto a specific player early on/they often gave the same username-related RVS vote logic.

The source is myself. I was just driving discussion though, nothing too big.

[gob]

Think Dannflor's town but his read on Gamma is wrong.

I only mentioned Roden as a deepwolf because I haven't actually read his slot, I've only read the people reading his slot to determine he's town.

This doesn't track with your 879 at all

We're getting into semantics here. I am basically townreading Roden, but I haven't actually read him. I am townreading him (for now) because the amount of people who have shaded him (and nobody except me coming to his defense) makes me think he is town.

[gob]

I am interested in what Dannflor's read is on me. Seems he hasn't interacted with many of my posts this game.

[gob]

I am interested in what Dannflor's read is on me. Seems he hasn't interacted with many of my posts this game.

I am reading you as town

I do not think I am going to get anything out of interacting with you sorry

Shame, anything I can do to make it easier to interact with me?

[gob]

If you're town it's rather important for you that I can TR you.

this was originally directed toward gob, but goes for everyone.

Yes but im not going to change my play style to accommodate your limited play style.

people town leaning gob is weird

i feel like he should be hard town or hard scum lol

I don't really think so.

I have a scum lean there rn because his play isn’t great but after last game I am hesitant to pass a hard judgement either way yet

Seems like you're fishing for a wagon on me, but don't want to put your foot forward confidently.

[gob]

anything that starts with you quoting a VC is not going to be easy for me to engage with

for example your scum read on crescent does nothing for me

Well just trust my conclusions for VCA if you aren't gonna read them.

How about this, I think Gamma/Crescent has been pretty fence sitty like their last post.

[gob]

Gob why did you retract your cop claim with the reasoning "no one believed it anyway" when it was pretty clear that at least a few people believed it?

I don't think anyone really believed it. Nobody asked me for my night results or anything.

[gob]

I can't help but read that as you trying to justify why you weren't the NK

What? I dont even understand the logic here. Why would I ever have been the NK?

[gob]

i really don't like 841 especially the first line, it feels like davesaz didn't want to actually say anything content wise but felt compelled to say *something* of seeming substance

i don't like 861 because A. I think saying it's not obvious which kill was which feels like feigning ignorance in order to look uninformed whereas I think a townie is just going to make certain assumptions and B. states the obvious

862 comments on gob because I feel like dave feels like he should but doesn't actually SAY anything about Gob

idk gob, you wanna talk about fence sitty?

Davesaz has said they think out loud, so it's more passable I guess. I think we can catch davesaz by seeing if he digs himself into a logical hole or starts slanking.

1111 is weird too and feels out of sync with the game

why am i a top town read despite barely posting today

why is black a top town read and davesaz had basically nothing to say about my spat with black

the read on something_smart is weak sauce and I feel like a townie would have stronger reasons to vote someone at this point in the game then "i don't remember what they posted"

I do not like Psyche's slot either, but I think you've posted enough to be read as town. Black has been less towny today but they did lead a lot of discussion day 1.

[gob]

I can't help but read that as you trying to justify why you weren't the NK

What? I dont even understand the logic here. Why would I ever have been the NK?

If scum thought you were the cop then it would make sense to take you out no?

Yes, exactly. Except for doctors and whatnot. But I wasn't attacked.

[gob]

I'm one of the best wolfers alive. Just assume I'm town cause if i'm wolf you have no shot of catching me.

[gob]

I'm one of the best wolfers alive. Just assume I'm town cause if i'm wolf you have no shot of catching me.

Yeah but are you 5-0 like me?

Also gob why do you have no interest in reading Roden? I feel like you should since at least two of your townreads are leaning scum on him

I have read Roden's slot and a good portion of his posts. Just not gonna iso cause i can tell he isn't wolf based on how easily he's been faded by everyone with no defense. He could be traitor I guess, but i would rather hit a real wolf anyways.

[gob]

wtf is asetic informed? Seen that thrown around a few times.

[gob]

I'm one of the best wolfers alive. Just assume I'm town cause if i'm wolf you have no shot of catching me.

Yeah but are you 5-0 like me?

Also gob why do you have no interest in reading Roden? I feel like you should since at least two of your townreads are leaning scum on him

I have read Roden's slot and a good portion of his posts. Just not gonna iso cause i can tell he isn't wolf based on how easily he's been shaded by everyone with no defense. He could be traitor I guess, but i would rather hit a real wolf anyways.

fixed

[gob]

Dave you have been pretty quiet wrt Roden. What are your thoughts on his slot?

As far as I can tell, I haven't had thoughts about him specifically. I disliked it when someone pushed him because that push felt fake.

Davesaz is town here. I can tell.

[gob]

I'm one of the best wolfers alive. Just assume I'm town cause if i'm wolf you have no shot of catching me.

Yeah but are you 5-0 like me?

Also gob why do you have no interest in reading Roden? I feel like you should since at least two of your townreads are leaning scum on him

I have read Roden's slot and a good portion of his posts. Just not gonna iso cause i can tell he isn't wolf based on how easily he's been faded by everyone with no defense. He could be traitor I guess, but i would rather hit a real wolf anyways.

The Roden wagon has never gotten more than like 3 votes so I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you expect scum to just openly defend him when there's no real pressure there?

Eh, that is true.
I was not really factoring in the traitor when i was thinking though. With just 2 wolves informed, he isn't really spewed at all.

I still won't scumread Roden though since what I've seen I think has been good. I think Roden is a loner-type player.

[gob]

Unless gob is GF or ascetic informed, why would he bait the cop?

Actually mafia have reason to try to draw out the cop if they didn't choose ascetic informed.
If they did choose it and town didn't roll it, then they can fakeclaim it with impunity because they know there won't be a counter claim.

I still have gob as pretty much a null enigma. I'm unwilling to just ignore the fake(?) claim like so many have appeared to.

You should've paid more attention to it when it was in play. As a dead piece it's just a waste of time.

[gob]

I still won't scumread Roden though since what I've seen I think has been good. I think Roden is a loner-type player.

What specifically have you seen from Roden that you like

Fr? you want me to go back and look and shit?

[gob]

I still won't scumread Roden though since what I've seen I think has been good. I think Roden is a loner-type player.

What specifically have you seen from Roden that you like

Fr? you want me to go back and look and shit?

I mean yes, but should you really have to go back and look if this is an opinion you have?

Earlier you said you don't townread him but you don't think he's scum based on people pushing him and him not getting much defense. Now you are suddenly saying what you have seen from him looks good?

I have said before from what I saw from Roden looked good. But the majority of my read is from the gamestate against him. I originally scumread him, but then I felt I only scumread him because of his avatar. Then I started townreading him based on how the game was progressing (he's gotten the most shade of any player i think). However, what you said does make me rethink it.

I thought you were asking me to go back and ISO Roden and quote his posts.

[gob]

VOTE: something_smart

I can get behind this.

[gob]

Always almost accidentally calling Roden Rodent or Roman

[gob]

TALY thank goodness you returned. Now we can really get started.

[gob]

Why is it that every other slot in the game is being read with nuance and I'm being treated like I'm bad scum with level zero thoughts who bonks people with sticks

For fuck's sake

Gotta throw em an underhand pitch

[gob]

Gooooooooooood morning sirs

[gob]

Taly with the pump fake VLA catching everyone off guard

[gob]

gob

is

gamma

a wagon you want or not?

I would be fine with that.

[gob]

my

gob

senses are tingling, they tell me

gob

is scared

I’m scared of everything

[gob]

I dont really like you stealing my spotlight Taly.

[gob]

A big worthless post

[gob]

Meta is usually never worth discussing. Especially someone talking about their own meta

[gob]

I see, my bad.

[gob]

gob

i genuinely want to work with you but i dont understand your issue with me

please dont tell me my posts are worthless, that is unfair and hurts my motivation

I wasn't trying to hurt you. But I do generally think meta talk is worthless. And the fact you wrote a big paragraph about it is just lol.

I dont have an issue with you at all, you're fun to play with so far. I didnt have much time to read thoroughly I was browsing the thread on my phone at work (which im not allowed to do).

[gob]

Can we get more Black votes I think they really just gotta go

Like I think if Black is a wolf things just make sense

What's your case?

my mum said so

You are acting in accordance with your town meta, but you haven't given us much. Could you perhaps be the traitor?

^ This is how you do it Alisae

Are you done scumreading Roden?

I voted Alisae earlier to make her play, which she did

I'm voting Black because it's a full on OMGUS vote

I want to kill Psyche, but I can't get the momentum going

Makes sense to me. Very towny mindset.


I'll be back later i got 2 go eat dinner

[gob]

^ Way too into the weeds about reads and what people said.

interesting take, I feel like Black had been a bit obtuse up to this point

Dann improved since. Gob is doing essentially nothing, and imo aggressively so.

I do something that isn't scummy.
Gob says it's scummy.
Dann does basically the same thing.
I say what Dann did is scummy because it's just like what

gob said was scummy coming from me

.

I don't feel great about how butthurt dave is being about this, it feels a bit like a child tattling and going "you're only punishing me IT'S NOT FAIR". Also think based the first post of these two, dave should have switched to voting gob

Shoulda coulda woulda. Davesaz didn't and thats that. You need to focus more on what the game is more than what you want it to be.

[gob]

Something_Smart (3) - davesaz, Dannflor, gob
Black (2) - Alisae, Roden
Alisae (1) - Black

Not Voting (4) - Gamma, Something_Smart, Psyche, Taly

Fade one of the non-voters, yea?

[gob]

a completely new day, a completely new solve, eh

black

?

Seems fine to me.

VOTE: Black

VOTE: Black
I'm high on adrenaline rn and feeling it

Black (4) - Alisae, Roden, Taly, Gamma Emerald
Something_Smart (3) - davesaz, Dannflor, gob
Alisae (1) - Black

Not Voting (2) - Something_Smart, Psyche

Come on let's make it happen

One of the people on Black is scum as well. Given the last pool it seems it's either Taly or Gamma.

[gob]

I mean I’ll wait for an answer.

I do not think it is Taly.

Okay I see you did stuff I didn't read.

I also do like Taly's posts, but I do think they're still likely scum actually. The way they've been voting + pisskop's previous play.

[gob]

I can see gamma/dann if ur town find me a 3rd

If I were scum I would definitely choose Recruiter so I would imagine there's some associations. But like I said my accuracy is not good and I can't seem to figure out how to trust people and that makes my reads fluid. Why would you even trust my reads here?

It’s something I’ve had in the back of my mind

I want everyone to know that I have not and probably will not think about the setup and solving it. Just doesn't interest me.

The third is probably someone like Gob or SS

Gob's most recent posting about Roden feels slimy and informed. Like he went from saying "I don't think it's Roden" D1 when a wagon was forming there, to saying "I don't townread Roden" to "I haven't read him but I think he's town because of the way he's being pushed" to "I've read him and his stuff feels good". This read feels all over the place. And yeah I still can't shake the feeling that he's got the Informed role with the cop claim but again that ties into never being able to fully convince myself of anything

SS just exists but most scumteams need a lurker I suppose

My read day 1 was simple. Don't fade Roden. Day 2 it developed into a townread basically. Everyone else seems to understand my Roden read, and probably agree with it given that Roden isn't being scumread. The only person getting tripped up with the read is you, because its basically something you're inventing.

The cop stuff is whatever. I did what I did and now it's not really important. There isn't much worth talking about it any further I feel like.

[gob]

Why is it not taly though

huh? You asking Dannflor why he isn't voting Taly?

[gob]

Why is it not taly though

Their posts to me come across as self-righteously townie

Eh, I think Taly is more like. They just game, you know what I mean. I feel like they're a gamer. They were VLA still but yea.

I would prefer to fade Gamma over Taly. But one of them is likely scum based on how they've been voting.

[gob]

[ss, gamma, psyche, davesaz]

can all scum be in here

Agreed. Seems like a good pool to fade. I might take davesaz outta their though, feeling more solid on him.

[gob]

I'm really not seeing

Gamma

town other than the ask for deadline extension.

Also UNVOTE:

I need to revisit this but I must go back to sleep.

Funny, that was one of my biggest scumtells.

[gob]

gob

is

gamma

a wagon you want or not?

I would be fine with that.

3/6 votes, what are you afraid of then?

What did this even mean? Btw

[gob]

actually

gob

what do you make of the

alisae/black/roden

interaction the past couple of pages?

I liked Roden's posts. Alisae's were okay, I'll probably need to rely on someone else's reads for Alisae in this game actually.

then give me a short, digestible readslist, that has to be pretty low effort

It's gonna be a mess but uh sure

Dann, dave
Gamma, gob
Psyche, Alisae, Black
Taly, Roden

The problem isn't that I can't generate reads, it's that I can't invest the time to read in-depth and generate deeper reads, especially when those deeper reads almost certainly wouldn't be any more accurate. (They would help people read me better, which is why that's an issue right now. But everyone who's voted/scumread me has been welcome to engage me on anything, and shockingly most of them haven't.)

Hmm... this actually isn't a terrible reads list. I don't agree with it but I can understand it.

I'm a power wolf y'all

Are you now?

That's not a bad thought SS

We dont need an opinion of Gob's role to read gob's play.

I think we should read him as if he were a vanilla, and ignore the claim ftm

This was pisskop's reaction to me saying gob is kinda scummy but we should let him live. It kinda feels like he wanted the scumread to go somewhere

Damn, thats actually a towny post from pisskop. Thank you for reminding me of that.

I don't like being accused of being "actively scummy" and would argue that I'm being as transparently town as I'm able, but can understand where it could come from. I have come to expect people to have those thoughts.

Seems you have not really said much of note davesaz. What is happnin with you? I feel like I have the game nearly solved...... except for you

[gob]

Well we have time. Let's not rush on Gamma everyone.

Although i guess we don't have much time actually. Like 2 days

Just don't hammer early

[gob]

i think there is a good chance i have been wrong on crescent

i think it is maybe a mistake to continue town binning the slot only on the basis of the premature vt claim

rereading the early game crescent's posts remind me of a more pure distillation of what i found scummy about black's case on ali

Really not understanding this read tbh.

[gob]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Psyche

I will place this here for now. Still fine with Gamma being wagoned, but no sense in piling on.

[gob]

I don’t like to vote before I am reasonably caught up but you can’t have really known that so that interpretation is valid

VOTE: Black
I'm high on adrenaline rn and feeling it

I still hate this progression

I just did a self-imposed challenge in a game was playing, so I was feeling a bit of a head rush, if that helps

What the... I am not sure I understand. But stay safe.

[gob]

why not S_S? you voted there earlier?

Idk, he seems fine.

[gob]

Feel like its not Gamma here.

[gob]

Feel like its not Gamma here.

Why

Why not

[gob]

I was just throwing it out there lol

[gob]

He exists

Not for long……..

[gob]

I was just throwing it out there lol

So there's no reason why you feel like it can't be her? You're just saying it to say it? What's the point?

I like saying out of pocket shit to see what people say

[gob]

I was just throwing it out there lol

So there's no reason why you feel like it can't be her? You're just saying it to say it? What's the point?

I like saying out of pocket shit to see what people say

What were you hoping to get out of obstructing the gamma wagon? Like specifically what type of responses were you looking for and what do you think about how I responded?

I wasnt looking for anything i particular. Just wanted to throw it out there. Stuff like this is a useful response though.

Its not obstructing anything btw. I will still probably hop on Gamma’s wagon.

[gob]

I think tonally gob feels completely different than the scum game we played together here, so I'm willing to believe he could be town. I think there's a chance he's scum with someone like Dannflor who was also in that game and has gotten some kind of coaching on how to not seem as scummy this game, but it's a stretch and I'm not sure if that's the world we live in

If anything i would be the one coaching Dannflor lol

[gob]

Damn work is so boring holy shit

[gob]

In mafia game I’m a beast, a legend and one of the most influential players of all time…….. but in reality I tire away my life for nothing but money

[gob]

Should I hammer? When is EOd

[gob]

Should I hammer? When is EOd

just do it

Its better we wait here

[gob]

Should I hammer? When is EOd

just do it

Its better we wait here

for what

For anything. Still got like 16 hours.

Gamma seems frozen here.

[gob]

Alright fine

VOTE: Gamma_Emerald

[gob]

I ain't never rolling over

[gob]

Wtf... why me!

[gob]

if you're town the only thing you can do is do whatever I tell you to do and that's vote SS

I ain't never rolling over.

How about you listen to me?

[gob]

Why would I do that?

Sometimes you just gotta be taken for a ride.

Let me tell you what Gob if it's not you the game ends after killing SS and Roden. Those 2 genuinely make sense to be wolves together.
BUT in the event that one of those flip town you always die next

Makes no sense to me. I feel like Taly is still potentially mafia, also, you could be mafia. You didn't really do much this game until late yesterday.

[gob]

Gamma Emerald (6)
- Black, Taly, Alisae, Dannflor, davesaz, gob
Psyche (2)
- Roden, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2)
- Something_Smart, Psyche


Dannflor, Vanilla Townie
, was killed on Night 2.
Davesaz, Town Bodyguard
, was killed on Night 2.

Both kills on gamma wagon, meaning there is probably multiple wolves off wagon. (Roman, Psyche, S_S, Roden)
If there is a wolf on, it may be Taly. I was a bit confused with their late pop in yesterday, felt very weird.


I've quite liked Roden's posts. Why did you clear Psyche Alisae?

[gob]

suit yourself

Seems we cannot work together this game... unfortunate but it is what it is as you said.

[gob]

Alisae you must work with me and Roden if you want to win this one, only way.

[gob]

i'm sorry
but hey gj

hey vig claim vig and vote any of {SS Gob Roden} consider it your choice

I'm not gonna sit down and just let you vote me and one of my townreads off.

[gob]

gob

why are you tunneling me

I am not tunneling you? You're even in a pool with 3 other people (i put roden twice lol)