Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Almost50]

VOTE: Iconeum

1 is actually very scummy to pick for starters. I think scum are within the lowest picked #s (1,2,3,4,5) but no 2 scums would have picked the same #.

[Almost50]

Masons and Monks: "OMGUS, but I don't care."
Stack the Deck: "Mathdino's posts strike me as IIOA mixed with lurkscum opportunism"

Pick Your Power X/Y: "TBH, this looks like role fishing." *claims*

yeah policy lynch this shit

Ya think??

[v[Beefster[/v]

Let's see if it turns to be like Masons & Monks.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Beefster

[Almost50]

VOTE: Iconeum

1 is actually very scummy to pick for starters. I think scum are within the lowest picked #s (1,2,3,4,5) but no 2 scums would have picked the same #.

but if you're wrong about iconeum


.....who can it be now?

You mean if

Spoiler:

?

[Almost50]

Hmmm.. you know what? I think I wanna nickname you Johnny

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

less fluff more analysis

I'd hate to see the player who goes by AP commenting on this

[Almost50]

A clever counter wagon, she says!!!

[Almost50]

Anyone feel like spoonfeeding me why any of the setup spec p1 makes sense?

Help yourself

[Almost50]

A clever counter wagon, she says!!!

Beefster is TOWN (҂⌣̀_⌣́)

Do you DISAGREE with my townread?

I don't even know you, so I can't tell if you have good or bad reads in general and whether you are familiar with Beef in particular.

[Almost50]

@Saske: You don't know Beef as well as I, Dino or TW do, so I do think your read is flawed at best.

[Almost50]

Ask Beefster himself, and I think he will tell you that he is bad at scum (he's learning the ways still though, so there's potential for him on the future).

But let's

assume (for the sake of argument)

that Beefster is town here. So? Why is a wagon on him bad? Wagons are good for getting reads, right?

You see, I don't mind your vote on me. What I do have a problem with is you throwing all your weight behind "Town!Beef" without even knowing the player that well. That feels a bit odd for my little brain to grasp.

[Almost50]

@Dino: I mean, I'm half asleep already, so I want your opinion on this: Would it be a good idea for those who didn't get their picked roles to claim what they picked? On the one hand it tells us "someone who had draft priority" over that slot got that specific X/Y ability, but on the other hand that's us telling the scum whom exactly are the TPRs AND what type of abilities they may have.

[Almost50]

~1% chance of me actually reading a game to try and find setup spec
I'll just assume Math's thing is right

Make that exactly 0% for me.

[Almost50]

Well, what I have learnt from this game is I should've picked 7 or 9 instead.

[Almost50]

I think that might be my blondest moment since my first game...

I know you're baiting for it.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

@Dino: FINALLY! But I think we should start with the lowest single # (i.e. Iconeum) and move from there.

[Almost50]

in fact the general sentiment of "oh well that's all a load of WIFOM" is just bad and in my experience comes from scum more than random

I agree, but I don't want to sound like I'm blindly following you, so here's what I had in mind:

Scum would have probably picked lower numbers (3 different ones).

Iconeum picked 1
You and The Janitor picked 2, so one is scum and the other is town
the worst picked 3, so he's likely scum

But -of course- scum would not want to appear so obvious, so while they will try to be at the top of the draft priority they want to (a) obscure it, and (b) avoid having town picking the same number(s). So..

One of Beefster/Taly is likely scum because I think at least one of the top 3 suspects is just a townie who tried to fuck with the Mafia plan

Then come Lalendra

and if Scum are really really cunning then I have the trio who picked 6 as "back up suspects" if you will (again, just one of them).

I would agree Saske is most likely town based on that strange pick (who the hell picks 413 unless (a) they wanted to make sure they remained powerless, or (b) expected nobody to pick a certain role and wanted to go for that (which is still farfetched because while the pick guarantees nobody else would have picked the same number it also guarantees she will come after everyone who picked a unique number)

So, anyway I want

ed

to examine Iconeum > The Janitor > the worst > Beefster/Taly > Lalendra > Ausuka/Lovebird/brassherald

FTR, Mathdino should have been tied with The Janitor, but I decided he is likely town because of my role (he is above me in the draft, and I think I know what he would pick/have his team pick if he was scum), and that's all I am willing to say for now.

[Almost50]

@Dino: FINALLY! But I think we should start with the lowest single # (i.e. Iconeum) and move from there.

finally what?

from my perspective janitor is effectively a single, and if you're townreading me you should also be able to see it FMPOV

so i would prefer to lynch the janitor rn

I mean, I can follow that, no problem. I just needed to post my thoughts in details before I just sheeped you into a different wagon.

[Almost50]

Finally WHAT? And WHY are you ignoring me (●o≧益≦)o

pedit: I am NOT an alt (╬ Ò ‸ Ó)

HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES DID YOU PLAY ME? YOU STILL DON'T KNOW HOW I DO MY CATCH UP?

[Almost50]

if you're TOWN and TOWNREADING ME shouldn't you be ENGAGING me when I am ASKING you?

Not necessarily. Sometimes I find someone too hard to communicate with, so although I TR you I've decided not to argue with you because we will clog the thread with a "my read/way is better than yours" kind of nonsense.

[Almost50]

i literally AM the townie that tried to fuck with the mafia plan. no one else has claimed they did so.

And I will hereby confirm I was trying to land a certain PR/ability indeed, so was actually trying to AVOID picking the same number as someone else.

[Almost50]

but i'd still prefer to lynch the janitor

If you insist...

VOTE: The Janitor

If I can't get my #1 I can settle for my #2

[Almost50]

janitor is obviously an alt lol

Not MY alt, I swear it!

And, Jennifer bloody Connelly, my man! You're even mire paranoid of me than I am of you.

I'll tell you what: May we lose in Kiev if I'm scum in this game. Happy??

[Almost50]

*mire = more

[Almost50]

So, mutant, Taly, Lalendra and Ircher all have not yet posted. (This is basically a reminder to myself, so you may ignore this post at will)

[Almost50]

Hmmm I now suspect SIMYK is someone I know well. I mean, this kind of tunneling feels a bit too familiar!

[Almost50]

I don't really see any reason to wagon A50 right now. And I didn't copy any of my lines from anywhere, at least consciously, so...

Do you SEE my point about how he's talking TO me but not WITH me? (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)

In other words: Let's make it a personal thing. Got it.

FTR, I am NOT counting one one, two, or even FOUR people here to give you a read on me that is certainly better than yours. From this playerlist I will say (in no particular order) that the worst, Lalendra, Mathdino, Taly, mutantdevle, Ausuka, and brassherald are all competitive players who have played me recently. I would have added both Beefster and Lovebird except I'm not sure if I have any completed games with LB, and Beefster would probably say he can't read me anyway (actually so would mutant, but whatever).

So, take a deep breath and move on for now. If I'm scum to you then you can hunt for my partners still, then come back to my case in say 48-72 hours when all above-mentioned players have checked in and probably gave a read on me.

[Almost50]

competitive

giggle snort

Yeah, you don't fool me with that innocent face. I was scum with you once, remember??

[Almost50]

why do you keep assuming this alt has never played with you before

Who's this at? And if you're addressing me, which one of them?

I mean, I don't want to sound stupid responding to a question that isn't directed at me, but IF you mean I am assuming SIMYK never played with me then I refer you to my 175

[Almost50]

if anyone claims vengeful, policy lynch them (this is optimal play)

why

Because if town' scum are either going to shoot them to avoid being venged by them or keep them to MyLo and then push them to get an extra kill. If scum though, leaving them alive for later is also dangerous, so we get rid of them as early as possible. (Note that role is not indicative of alignment here, so we don't know if they're vengeful town ot scum anyway, so it's safer to have removed as early as possible).

And since I know I'm almost always unclear, let me try again: Assume they're scum. Do you want then lynched on D1 or D3? They're going to venge kill a townie anyway, so the sooner they do it the better and the less likely they know who the stronger PRs are.

Now assume they're Town. Would you rather have them act like a Town Vig upon their lynch or have them shot at night? And would you rather they venge killed someone when the damage is minimal or have them do it when -if wrong- could hand the game to scum?

[Almost50]

Damn, 9 pages already. I better start reading.

Also

VOTE: A50

Fuck you.

Did you choose that on purpose because you saw that I chose it last PYP X/Y game I was in?

Btw, I asked a friend if I should pick 6 or 7. I thought 7, but she said 6. Annoying.

Another fun fact:

I originally chose 7

but then switched my number to 8 shortly before the deadline because I considered the number 7 too risky.

Do you want to die?

[Almost50]

Of mutant is scum here, consider me overly impressed. I have never seen him look townier!

[Almost50]

When was the last time he actually posted anything other than bad reads and confusion?? Here he is actually providing some information and cars to argue back with facts.

[Almost50]

*cares.

I can't type one post without making some typo

[Almost50]

What is "that"?

[Almost50]

Almost50 (3) - SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis, brassherald

@Mod: I know SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis looks like half the player list in one word, but they still count as one vote.

Oops! fixed.

[Almost50]

worst is duck

quack
Lovebird is bird

I was a bird in my previous life

[Almost50]

An emu. In fact, this was my previous avatar, before I evolved to a monkey

[Almost50]

Probscum: Janitor, one of {

A50, mutant

}

Ser-bloody-iously!! And I guess Jay was town in Masons and Monks too!

[Almost50]

Show me a game where he was posting like this at all and then we talk. I can sense the confidence behind his posts. He also sounds carefree to me, and I have never seen scum!him being carefree. I mean, he always feels like he has a mountain to climb and knows it when he is scum.

[Almost50]

wait did you just try to pull one wrong read i had (an example of me getting pocketed) as evidence that my scumread on one of two people is stupid

Call it what you want. I'm stating a fact (in Masons and Monks) and trying it with the fact I'm town here, and you're just being silly. Perhaps I should've said "and I guess dave was scum in Masons & Monks". I dunno.

[Almost50]

Look, I don't want to get into WIFOM zone here, so not gonna argue what I would have picked and done if I was scum. All I want from you is to try harder and see if there's a plan behind my posts. If I'm doing anything that looks like it's planned.

[Almost50]

@Math: (the best I could do with a half brain)

Lost in a dream

I

You don't know which way to go
(A-let me say it now)
If you are all that you seem
Then, baby,

I'm movin'

your readings are way too slow

I've

You've been a fool before
Wouldn't like to get

my love

your vote caught
In the slammin' door
How about some

information

reevaluation, please?

Straight up now, tell me
Do you really wanna

love

lynch me forever (oh, oh, oh)
Or

am I caught in a hit-and-run

are you just scum reading me for fun?
Straight up now, tell me
Is it gonna be you and me together (oh, oh, oh)
Or

are you just havin' fun

is this another loss in my town games run?

You are so hard to read
You play hide-and-seek
With your true intentions
If you're only playin' games
I'll just have to say
Abb-b-b-bye, b-b-b-bye

I've been

a fool

mislynched before
Wouldn't like to get my

love

role caught
In the slammin' door
How about some

information

reconsideration, please?

[Almost50]

your scumgame is not exclusively "i have a plan for how to deal with every player"

i don't know what you're asking me to see

Fine. You do you and I'll do me, then.

Just ftr, I won't vote outside Iconeum/The Janitor until they both flip.

[Almost50]

also why no interest in the 4s and 5s?

That would be because you're not reading what I'm typing, perhaps?

[Almost50]

VOTE: math

Why did you pick 2

I mean, this was literally the first post of the game (by a player, that is)

[Almost50]

VOTE: Math vote #2 for mr. #2!

V/la today busy @ work

And this was the second, btw..

@TW: Do you want me to quote

each and every one

of them??

[Almost50]

OMG! I've just realized something!!

Look at the first post.. it's #7!

Now check the second one. It's #8!!

Both are actual post number +6. Coincidence? I think NOT!

[Almost50]

666 is the number of the devle..... So scum is me/lovebird/mutant?

That's a myth. It's 999, but you're looking at it upside down

[Almost50]

i want to die

Not a chance. You

will

live all through this to adequately suffer for you mistake(s).

[Almost50]

embrace the banter math
embrace it

Unfortunately, Dinosaurs have very short arms/claws (upper tentacles/peripherals) compared to their feet.

[Almost50]

You can lynch my leg if you want. But I'd prefer you didn't hang me by my neck so that I can keep breathing and speaking.

^LYNCH THIS!

True mutants breathe through their skin.

[Almost50]

Are you left or right footed?

If you exclude all the wrong answers, what's left is the right one.

[Almost50]

I have onions about that

If I had garlic I probably would've given more farts about it.

[Almost50]

Even ignoring my own name here, what's the town benefit here especially if there are 3 scum?

Why would I go for a far less likely scum flip over the 2 I'm most confident of? I'm 99% sure at least one of you is scum, and like 80% sure both of you are by draft spec alone.

[Almost50]

I have a few issues w it but you have more experience playing with him

Can you give an eggsamle of such issues?

[Almost50]

*eggsample

[Almost50]

I feel like one of Ircher and MathDino are probably scum.

Personally, I feel like 3 of the players in this game are definitely scum (but that's just me).

[Almost50]

FWIW i agree that A50 is much more likely scum than not here

but i will always disagree with lynching A50 on D1

if we're both town we'll figure it out (and one of us probably gets NK'd lol)

It will be too late by then, but I've decided not to complain anymore.

Btw, my TR on "the silliest name ever" is no more. In fact, if I was a vig I would have shot that slot as soon as I could.

[Almost50]

i have this strange voice in my head saying it's a50.......

Alright then. Let's ruin this game because I'm playing with a bunch of nutters.

I DID NOT LAND MY PICK

. I went for Neighborizer.

I don't think Scum!Dino would go for that over most any other combination (Vengeful is a powerful tool for scum. RB and/or JK, or maybe RB+Tracker/Role Cop.. etc).

So, someone is a Neighborizer or a Fruit Vendor.

And I was just trying the

bloody infamous A50 gambit

, so

that

is why I'm being iiretated by being overly SR, and especially so by the

MATHDINO

<< i.e. The one person in this game that knows exactly what I'm talking about AND should very well have seen it coming from a mile away.

Are you all happy now?

[Almost50]

^while this is not intentionally a scumteam

in a very literal sense, THIS IS A SCUMCLAIM :O :O :O

I agree.

VOTE: A50

Let's do this. At least I won't be playing with "the silliest name that ever was" anymore. I had promised myself not to play in games with that person anyway, but I didn't know that was them.

[Almost50]

Dino can tell you I actually self-hammered on D1 as Town (I think mutant was in that game too? You were on the scum team, mutant. Right?)

[Almost50]

Yup. This game. And mutant was the scum role cop.

[Almost50]

Dafuq??

This game

[Almost50]

Ignore the first link, I missed a '3' at the end. The second link works.

[Almost50]

@a50: have you ever considered not blowing up when you're not in any danger whatsoever

Not when you're ruining my plans for me. Duh!

i acknowledged that you were playing your scumgame with the exception of those couple posts i outlined. the gambit thing was one of them. i wanted to let whatever you were planning run its course.

1- You really really need to work on your problem mixing scum play with PR play. I was trying to mimic my "obvious PR" play.

2- How can it run it's course when at least 3 players are SRing me? What lunatic scum would shoot me when that's the case?

and SIMYK is an alt of a good player dude

Not in my book. They aren't. I just can't talk about it now.

[Almost50]

the last time i played this setup (was town) i went for neighborizer (and failed)
i consider it one of the most fun roles to play

I agree. Town!You would go for it. Scum!You wouldn't, and wouldn't let a partner take it either. (If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but that's how I perceive your scum play).

Now which of the players before me on the draft would take that as town? (because I'm assuming Scum!You wouldn't, so if you are scum then it must've fell in the hands of the town still).

I mean, even if I was wrong and you were scum and you did take Neighborizer or Fruit Vendor I should have looked like I got "something" that would have lead to me getting NK'd anyway, which should have served you because you claim to have a 100% record on reading me, so you just can't

mis

lynch me anyway.

[Almost50]

so that wouldn't have even worked (at least not if i were scum)

That's the point. Sort of. If you were scum I would not have been NK'd, yet I would not have been lynched because you made it quite hard for yourself to do that and go back to say "Oh, I misread him!".

So, me getting NK'd while having stated you were town would still stand, while me not getting NK'd I would be available to argue you were actually scum because I'm still alive on -say- D3 (both of us would be).

[Almost50]

@Taly: 425 was obviously a joke. I TR mutant by tone an effort.

Also, my approach is so simple it doesn't really need much elaboration/exploration. Scum will pick the smallest numbers without repetition. So, 1-2-3 is ideal. However, if they suspected (and they should have) town might also go for those, they'd try to avoid being on duplicate numbers, so they'd probably pick 1-3-5, 1-4-6, 2-3-4 ..etc.

So, I'm going for 1/2 to have at least one scum in them, but will also note both players who picked '2' cannot be scum together (no repetition).

So, it's Icon (picked 1 when no one else did) and Janitor (picked 2, which is also what Math has picked, but I'm TRing Dino).

Hopefully by the time both are lynched we would have results from other slots on other slots. That's it in a nutshell.

[Almost50]

My bright moment: Iconeum+the worst+Lalendra for the scum team.

VOTE: Iconeum

[Almost50]

@Math: I've decided I want to fight you over our reads in this game, and it's going to be in a "mine is bigger than yours" manner (I'm talking about egos, you fluffy yellow quack head)

[Almost50]

"People are giving me shot for something -the magnificent- A50 is doing" seems like a compelling argument, tbh.

[Almost50]

get the fuck out by replacing out.

You know what? This is actually a good idea. When even people whom I consider friends turn on me and start using foul language it's time for me to leave the game.

@Mod: Sorry, but I think it better for me to replace out than respond in fashion and get banned