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VOTE: northsidegal
i'm neighbours with her, i'm around 65% confident she's scum based on the posting-
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northsidegal wrote:Well, mister town, we've reached the showdown.
Who wins is officially outside our control.-
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probably has little to no effect on balance
scumteam is pretty screwed with me/NSG together tho-
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umIn post 19, mutantdevle wrote:
*as long as you're both town.In post 14, Mathdino wrote:probably has little to no effect on balance
scumteam is pretty screwed with me/NSG together tho
Honestly, I don't see a reason why outing our neighbours would be harmful but I'm still cautious to do so as I don't see how it would benefit us in any way.
no
because if she's scum, i can just read her
and since this is all-vanilla, if i'm scum, i can just be BoP'd upon not getting nightkilled-
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i think people underestimate how much higher EV PTs are for scum than town
VOTE: mutant
scioness's first take was good-
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you know i don't think 2:11 vanilla has ever been won by town on MS
on the other hand, neighbours are clearly higher EV for scum than for town
idk what to make of any of this
i don't think "not using the hoods at all" is the answer-
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i mean this is straight up super wrong tbhIn post 43, wavemode wrote:There's nothing town ought to talk about in a PT with a random person that wouldnt be better discussed in the open thread
there's a lot of stuff that i don't like to say in the main thread that i would use a PT for
moreso if i think the other person in the PT is town
the idea that town should just say everything they're thinking all the time as honestly as possible
is both unrealistic and dangerous to effective scumhunting
but none of that matters
do you have reads beyond "fuck PTs"-
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k so you're gonna be condescending/sarcastic about everything, got it
come back when you have sincere lines of questioning
mutant is currently the best wagon, scum-mutant scumtells early and buries you with walls as the day goes on-
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like i do think it warrants a reminder
that towns have literally never won 2:11 all-vanilla
a slight edge in reading certain people is all we have as our advantage
i see not using it as essentially equivalent to throwing in the towel
i didn't sign up to play straight 2:11-
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Wavemode is a godawful wagon and you fuckers gotta stop WKing me
I don't trust him to vote correctly in Lylo but id take him to endgame if it came down to it
And lol wave I never asked who your other neighbour was
I didn't really care-
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Correction, apparently I did ask who your neighbor was
It was extremely late and I forgot whoops
Yeah that explains your vote-
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Mutant is still scum soooooo-
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Almost every fight this game is going to be tvt
2:11 is particularly vulnerable to town tearing itself apart
Good players get NK'd and the players that will choose wrong get taken to endgame
I promise that in endgame I will at the very least vote first
Fact is as town I almost never make it that far without protectives anyway
I don't think anyone else in this playerlist can be BoPd to that extent except for NSG
Everyone who's posted except mutant is town-
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A scumread on wavemode is implicitly a wk of me since I put him in that aggressive position in the first place
And then forgot the thing that actually set him off on me
I'm strongly townreading him
My disagreement is just that I think he's setting himself up for failure-
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Counterpoint: towns are shit at the game and "statistically" towns are better sheeping the players with higher historical reads accuracyIn post 92, wavemode wrote:Town is ALWAYS better off statistically when we're working together
And "statistically" towns working together have worse teamwork than the three stooges drunk off their asses-
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Well I'm calling the scumteam as mutant and NSG so I think my views are quite consistent-
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Why
That's an easily readable and easily lynchable team-
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That said Im only good at reading people when other people play the game and give reads without just sheeping me
Where are you at, unreal
@scioness: would you rather have a hard to lynch scumteam or an easy one-
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What about stefanb sets him apart from other players who have offered in depth takes?-
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ScumreadingIn post 110, UnrealSeal wrote:what does sring mean-
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I can't suspend disbelief
You're still scum and you chose not to vote scum-
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Yall gonna have to explain your votes right quick-
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OK but I'm clearly asking why you guys are scumread UnrealSeal and scioness-
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@invisibility: Yeah and it makes me think you're not town so I would really like to hear your thought process there
@scioness: I agree, that's why NSG is scum-
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You can speak English just fine so you can explain your read on unreal
I would prefer not to see you policy lynched
Tbh I'm peeved scioness answered first because I really didn't need additional readable content there-
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Yeah, and my early d1 read on scioness is always right as shown by newbie 1859 and pick your poison
I don't trust your read or your alignment-
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Could you explain your scioness read?
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Trying to figure out whether reads that don't make any sense whatsoever
US a scumtell, nulltell, or towntell for mutant-
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Is autocorrected to US, sorry
That wasn't directed at you-
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my unvote does not represent a townread and i expect better content from mutant today
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Invisibility-
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my PTs are also quiet, i was hoping you guys would have more stuff to share
i still intend to wagon mutant so-
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- TW got popular and people started playing along
- it's literally called mountainous because playing it and trying to win is like trying to climb up a mountain
- i think your concept would work better if PTs "collapsed" so to speak, where lynches create 2 more PTs between remaining players
i'm not demotivated in this game by any means
i'm just honest about what the odds look like when i enter new opens
i would like more people to be voting/interacting i think-
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No i don't remember
I don't see how that assumption counts as a townslip-
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It's a 2 man scumteam
He could easily have just not strategised with a lurker scumpartner-
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You're right
I would accept that as a reason he's not scum with a heavy pre game strategiser
So like me for example
Bayesian only works here because it eliminates a few scumteams-
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Was hard townreading her until you weren't
I don't have a good record on her-
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I HAVE ARRIVED
WHO SHALL FEEL MY WRATH TODAY, HEATHENS-
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VOTE: ArcAngel9
GET FUCKED, UGLYDUCK WAGON, THAT GUY IS TOWN
I HEREBY DECLARE THIS THE COUNTERWAGON TO EVIL MOTHERDUCKERS TRYNA LYNCH MY TOWNREADS
WE LYNCH PEOPLE WHO AREN'T BEING TOWNREAD LET'S GO-
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Wavemode: definitely town, just with bad reads. It's chill thoIn post 294, HeWhoSwims wrote:UglyDuck(3) (L-4): wavemode, BuJaber, ArcAngel9
ArcAngel9 (2) (L-5): northsidegal, wingedcatgirl
BuJaber: no clue, gun to head town
ArcAngel9: THE PUREST OF COUNTERWAGONS
NSG: will get nightkilled
Wingedcatgirl: i was sure she was scum in Echo Bay SEO so clearly I can't read her.
Can I get opinions on WCG?-
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I guess we could lynch here in theory but I like NSG more than I like you sorryIn post 294, HeWhoSwims wrote:wingedcatgirl (2) (L-5): StefanB, UnrealSeal
Sell me because aa9 is also a lurker my man-
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Which behavior is more scum indicative to you
There's a reason people lose all vanilla games all the time-
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NSG why am I here why have you summoned me-
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What's our PoE pool looking like
Which townreads can and should we trust thus far
I won't lynch wavemode or UglyDuck-
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NSG why are you not townreading me/why am I in your PoE pool wtf
Also your PoE pool is uncomfortably small, those all seem like lynchbaity people plus me (I'm an odd one out)
And after NSG answers the above
Awoo why are you townreading me-
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Myloninja13 is the easiest to sort lynchbait thoughIn post 339, northsidegal wrote:Myloninja is my strongest townread.
The other lynchbait are hard to sort
Answer question pls-
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Awesome thanks
NSG is locktown
You're welcome guys now both my neighbors are sorted-
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I literally stopped playing the game, anyone townreading me in the past 2 days needs to answer for their shit-
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I feel pretty good right now about this game
Scumteam is gonna shit their pants when NSG starts townreading me
AWOO Y U TOWNREAD ME-
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I wish the worst signed up for this game
Game feels wrong, friends are solid motivation
Awoo is scum on our wagon if this is a mislynch
I'm townreading unreal and I agree on mylo-
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Half of those things did not apply when you initially posted your townread of me
Like that stuff JUST happened and the opposite was true at the time of your townread
I could lynch mutant but I'd kinda feel worse about mislynching him than mislynching aa9
He spews his alignment lategame harder than aa9 does-
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The first 3 times I tried that out after team mafia it went very badly
If you have the time I think a better call might be coming up with meta based reads and testing them on people in games you're spectating
Rather than letting it drive your reads crazy on the ones you're active in
Plus Elli does a lot more diving than you think he does
You and i don't have the knowhow to be full Elli
That said I believe I'm easily readable by Ellis method so I recommend doing it on me and to no one else
That way you can at least townbloc me before I get killed tonight instead of after-
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The problem is I don't think your reasons before I was summoned are sufficient and I think putting me where you had me in your reads list is consistent with how scum treat my slot when I'm lurking
I'll explain wavemode when I'm not on mobile, remind me if I forget
You can tell if I'm not on mobile when my phone isn't autocorrecting lower cases to upper cases-
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It's like you're just copying my reads from before I was invested in the game as if that still works on page 15-
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NSG is town
Scum wouldn't out their dayvig by murdering mutant like that in cold blood-
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sup, still kinda bored with this game
- my playstyle has probably changed in the months since we last played a real full game together. if anything i think i was scummier when you were townreading me, and townier when you were scumreading me. i'm biased by what i know i do as town though
- i never said you and scioness were the scumteam, wat? please indicate who you're talking to each paragraph thanks
- there are different kinds of doing nothing. some nothingdoing is scummier than other nothingdoing. appearing active but not really pushing the game in any meaningful way is a major red flag. but being super passive personality-wise is kind of a towntell. (passive people tend to be less passive when they're scum. they find itfreeing)
- aa9 is a girl
people asked me a bunch of shit that i forgot, reading through tonight-
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okay so i'm in one of those funks where i promise myself that the next thing i'm gonna do for a game is x y and z
but it's really hard for me to bring myself to do x y and z
i'm just not really sure how to sell wavemode-town and uglyduck-town to you guys
but they are my strongest townreads next to NSG and i would be fairly upset if you lynched them anyway-
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In post 181, ArcAngel9 wrote:8 pages already. Give me time to go over.
lets start with this one VOTE: NSG
literally has 5 posts and 3 awful votes in a rowIn post 244, ArcAngel9 wrote:
Scum claim. NiceIn post 183, BuJaber wrote:No rest for the wicked
Bold prediction: one of arc/ugly is scum.
VOTE: Arc
VOTE: BuJaber
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I hate posts like this. How is Bujaber is towny. He hardly said anything. And since when asking questions and pushing is AI?In post 194, UglyDuck wrote:BuJaber (Towny) - Talking, pushing the game with questions.
VOTE: UglyDuck
voting/scumreading NSG based on the first 8 pages is questionable
literally OMGUSing someone
and then hating an actually quite good reads list
and THEN making 2 posts that are solely prod dodging?
AA9 is a liability and is never going to get shot
better off lynching now rather than later-
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okay then give me a better target
i'm not lynching uglyduck when i think i've finally figured out how to read him
also knowing you, you probably think i'm scum for that minicase tbh-
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only because you askedIn post 470, wavemode wrote:
you've never been wrong about a townread ?In post 464, Mathdino wrote:but they are my strongest townreads next to NSG and i would be fairly upset if you lynched them anyway
what special right do you have to tell us not to lynch someone we believe is scum
~95% record in micros/minis based on my personal reads (i.e. not sheeped from other people), and in this setup, everyone is statistically more likely to be town, which should bump that higher
if you can show me that your scumread accuracy is significant enough to trustyourtells (or that you can read specific players well) i'll defer to you
i'm townreading scioness for example but i've been wrong on scioness before, so i'm not shouting down that lynch because i trust NSG's record on her
but uglyduck i've played with like 3 times now, i think i can claim solid knowledge of him-
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northsidepal if this came down to a scioness vs a nullread i'd lynch scioness for you, but i have other targets and i'm townreading sciIn post 469, northsidegal wrote:scioness
i'm gonna need you to show me how scioness's play is inconsistent with her towngame
- you said she was fluffy and active lurking, but she was high-content in that newbie scumgame with gemini IIRC. it seems like that's only consistent with her PYP meta
- hasn't she also fluffed/active lurked as town?