OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)
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VOTE: brass
Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.
That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.
1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.
I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.-
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Because the below assumption assumes that Oka is town.In post 18, ofrhz wrote:
why would he be a good lynch exactlyIn post 14, BuJaber wrote:To be honest you'd be a good lynch right now .. i'd rather not be paranoid about you WIFOMing us. If town please obvtowning it up as soon as possible.
I guess I see your point. We'll have to watch ruru.
If Oka is scum then he could have said that stuff because he knows they didn't coordinate.
In post 12, BuJaber wrote:I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.-
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You think scum would willingly guarantee themselves a goon role?
I imagine skitter knew fully well he wasn't getting a power role there.
Some people like me prefer vanilla townie. But I haven't heard of anyone yet that prefers vanilla scum to a PR scum.-
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Is this how you normally are?In post 17, ofrhz wrote:
let's notIn post 12, BuJaber wrote: I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.
Because your tone rubs me the wrong way. I feel dismissed and belittled.
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In post 36, ceejayvinoya wrote:
Uh if I'm understanding this correctly, you scumread ofrhz because he dismissed you and belittled you?In post 32, BuJaber wrote:
Is this how you normally are?In post 17, ofrhz wrote:
let's notIn post 12, BuJaber wrote: I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.
Because your tone rubs me the wrong way. I feel dismissed and belittled.
Yes
My assumption is backed by reasoning.
If he/she is town who thinks my reasoning is flawed he/she could have argued his point of view.
He/she did not and simply disagreed.
Pedit - what?
No two people with the same number can be scum together =/= no two people with the same number can be town together.
We could be both town or you could be scum. You aren't automatically scum just because I'm not scum. Because whether you are scum or town you did not coordinate with me about the number.
If you like probabilities so much you should be agreeing with me more than anyone else. Because you know for a fact that we did not coordinate so if you are town you'd know that at least for the number 6 my assumption is correct.
The same applies to ausuka and brass. If either of them are town they know that at least for their number my assumption is correct.-
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True. But I also think scum would not want to gamble too much and lose their chance at getting a role. I feel that the positive utility of a power role should outvalue the need to avoid suspicion. You already have players like you who do not want to make this assumption, and even I who's making it cannot fully eliminate the recurring numbers from my scum pool throughout the game and will have to be flexible about this point.In post 56, ofrhz wrote:
Assuming scum didn't pick the same numbers is still WIFOM-y though. Like scum can just pick two of the same numbers and use that to "prove" they're not scum togetherIn post 19, BuJaber wrote:
Because the below assumption assumes that Oka is town.In post 18, ofrhz wrote:
why would he be a good lynch exactlyIn post 14, BuJaber wrote:To be honest you'd be a good lynch right now .. i'd rather not be paranoid about you WIFOMing us. If town please obvtowning it up as soon as possible.
I guess I see your point. We'll have to watch ruru.
If Oka is scum then he could have said that stuff because he knows they didn't coordinate.
In post 12, BuJaber wrote:I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.
I know I made the game delve deep into WIFOM, and some people don't like that, but I do enjoy it and the discussions itself help me. (I also do use WIFOM in scumhunting but just trust that when I do as town I am doing it in a way that I feel is helpful at the time and fully knowing the dangers of doing so. It usually works as a starting point for how to approach the game and then I delve deeper and test my assumptions with more objective analysis).
Okay this gives a lot more context. I suppose though if ruru did roll scum it'd be a risk free way to shoot for the first pick chance. Especially that anyone that did read that would hesitate to pick no 1.In post 58, ofrhz wrote:
When ruru in'd into this game, she made a long post in the queue thread explaining in detail that she would unequivocally pick 1 in the draft as either alignment. This part of the post has since been edited outIn post 20, BuJaber wrote:What made you first suspect oka, and then change your mind?
Your first vote clearly wasn't random if you needed a reason to change it.
I think it's highly likely that scum knew ruru would pick 1 based on the picks (no one else picked 1 and no one picked 2, which I think is unusual) and because they could talk N0.
When oka voted ruru with his reasoning, I thought it was bad, because ruru had already stated plainly that she would pick 1 before she even got her rolecard.
But then I realized oka probably didn't see ruru's original post, and didn't have the knowledge that I think scum had.
I think Sando might be scum here. That comment saying brass is right about him comes off as a disarming tactic.
VOTE: Sando
@Sando - what is CJ?
Pedit - erm.. I don't know what to do with that.. anyone have insight into the mind of ruru?-
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You know...
If she were scum pgo..
She'd probably play it the same way. The scum motivation is to do whatever you want when posting as you can see.
That said ruru, please if town use your limited time alive to share actual insight because I for one am pro-policy lynch for roles like pgo and miller etc.-
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I wasn't even thinking about the pairing..
Scum vig makes sense for ruru given the pgo claim.
As town she should have either picked a bad power and attracted the scum kill or blocked a strong scum power before scum could take it.
Town pgo shouldn't claim.
Why is starting wagons a bad thing, stargazer ? Or whoever asked
Ftr you can say whatever you want about my play or my posts. Even if something frustrates me I won't get offended. We all scumhunt differently. I've had people say I'm an asshole as town so it'd be unfair if I didn't also accept whatever gets thrown at me.
But to answer the question I find it scummy to disagree with someone who has shared their opinion and given reasons for their opinion without also stating why you disagree.
- it might be laziness
- it might be a way to reduce the person's influence
- it might be a way to make them change the subject (especially if they are on the right track)
- it might be a way to discourage them from sharing their thoughts (this one is rare I don't think people do this often but there is definitely an advantage for scum if town talk less and when a towny's arguments are met with just 'no' / 'wrong' etc, it can be disheartening) now I'm not discouraged by things like that but unless they're an alt they haven't played with me before and thus wouldn't know this about me.-
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Town!ruru if pgo shouldn't claim because she had first pick.In post 120, BuJaber wrote:Town pgo shouldn't claim.
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This isn't spontaneous ruru? Wow.
Sorry I'm a dumb dumb .. I thought CJ was some sort of new mafiascum abbreviation not a player abbreviation. That's why I asked. But thanks for sharing your read.
I agree that skitter is likely town.
Random prediction time : 1 one of the people who looked up previous games is scum.
Arguing about ruru's meta won't help us imo. I say we just agree to policy lynch her at some point. But for what it's worth ruru I'm glad you started posting actual content.
Vulcan AP and Ausuka should post more
Any comments on my sando case? I think if she's scum brass is probably town. That post of hers looked like buddying.-
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Yeah
I don't look at old games. It might be a bad thing. It might be limiting myself. But I just don't do it. I sometimes look up general notes on setups on wiki but that's it. I come into setups fresh or if I've played them before I bring my own experience. Just the way I am. I don't think the value gained from it is worth the research time personally.
But technically what I said doesn't actually confirm that. All I said is 1 of them is scum. I could also have been one of them.-
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I acrually have a gut scumread on brass. He seems quite confident, and from my personal interactions with him he seems more confident as scum than as town.
But the association with sando doesn't work two ways. If brass is town it says nothing about sando.
I need to look for other stuff. Not enough scumreads too many nulls.-
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Interesting. Anything in particular making your spidey sense tingle?In post 165, Ausuka wrote:gut says okapoka may be scum?-
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You don't have to. She made it easy with pgo claim. Policy lynch tomorrow.In post 179, Invisibility wrote:ruru playing through 7 layers of wifom so i doubt i can ever read her this game-
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My math was off. I thought day 2 was mylo -1 but it's day 3.In post 183, brassherald wrote:Yeah, why a PL day 2?-
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@skitter - not exactly. I was saying that the fact that I said I predict that 1 scum is among the researchers doesn't necessary mean I didn't research. It just so happens to be true but since it was just a prediction on something nai (research) the next time I predict something similar I might be among the pool. In this case the fact that multiple people have researched past games points to one f them being scum simply because I find it highly unlikely that all those that researched are town. Especially since scum benefit more from the research in this setup imo.
No brass scumread is based on the meta thing I mentioned. I wasn't thinking about him or anyone else in particular when I made the prediction.
I dunno I kinda felt that oka's posts seemed like active participation for the purposes of scumhunting. But given the wagon on him it'd be worth reading his ISO to see all his posts together and assess his total contribution to the game so far.-
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That's actually why I think it benefits scum more.
See a townie can research and make assumptions based on past games but they would still be rooted in WIFOM. Will the current scum team follow the trends or won't they?
Scum researching tells them exactly how past scum did it and how successful they were and then they make the decision to go along with past success or go a different route but then in the game ghread they will likely try to subtly make us assume the opposite of what they actually did. Their arguments look better if they research first.
A townie doesn't care if scum is playing optimally or not. They just want to identify them. Scum would want to increase their chances.-
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In post 210, ceejayvinoya wrote:
But then you expressed you have a townvibe on him, which is odd.In post 208, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I don't understand what you mean by treading the NAI lineIn post 170, BuJaber wrote:I got a townvibe from oka tbh. So I found ausuka's gut read interesting.
Could be that oka is very good at threading the NAI line
Are you saying that what oka has been saying is mostly NAI?
Yes most of his posts were about roles, wifom of the draft, what scum in ruru's position might do.
Those are NAI. However you can SR or TR these posts based on tone and what you perceive to be his intention. Which I feel is coming from town.
So by "threading the NAI line" I mean that if he is scum he is just very good at posting a minimum amount of actual relevant reads and of saying NAI things while sounding towny.
I think Enigma could be scum with ruru. I don't really see any other scum motivation for the posts he's making. I think ruru's latest posts are townish but I still think it's too risky to keep em alive for very long.
I don't understand how lynching PGO at mylo - 1 will turn it into lylo. Do you think pgo and vengeful power slots are both taken by scum? And vengeful ruru claimed pgo knowing her partner is pgo/vig?
Would be a powerful high risk high reward gambit but seems far-fetched to me.
I triple checked my math this time. Assuming mislynch and NK every day/night, Day 4 is mylo so day 3 is mylo - 1.
Day 1 - 3 v 11
Day 2 - 3 v 9
Day 3 - 3 v 7
Day 4 - 3 v 5
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I read oka's ISO and beyond the townie tone, I also don't think scum would interpret enigma's vote on me with such accuracy. It's not something you come up with if you read enigma's post quickly and not pay close attention. And I think scum.pay closer attention to someone they are building a case on than someone they are defending.
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YupIn post 243, skitter30 wrote:and what, this whole thing is awkward distancing for the towncred once ruru flips scum?
Or he's bad at scum.
Like.. the whole arguing for both sides of the PL seems like a cop-out. You're either for or against. You can change your mind about it, but to be both for AND against at the same time?.. scummy.
Like if enigma is scum and ruru is town why even mention that ruru might be vengeful? Get credit for being cautious? That doesn't work. He just looks bad here so I'm thinking maybe he's trying to get credit for the PL but not actually wanting the PL to happen and that's where the ruru association came from.
If you want the opinion of someone who hasn't played with any of the so called 'clique' .. except maybe skitter I think we've played once before not sure... I understand and agree with the skitter townread. I can see why someone would lean town for ruru but the rest I don't see anything obvtown about them so it makes me uncomfortable when there is a group that trusts each other this quickly. Scum absolutely will try to infiltrate the town bloc and any townie should have healthy skepticism wrt those that agree with them / TR them.-
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In post 100, Enigma wrote:
Not sure why one would pick a PGO if you were town anyways, considering likely more town PRs than scum PRs. Wouldn't town just choose 1 shot vig?In post 88, skitter30 wrote:i am confused?
if you're PGO i'm not really sure why you would announce this unless you were trying to like purposefully not get visited. although if you're town i guess that's probably be the point
Plus wtf would ruru, as first seed, choose from that pair?
Ruru could always be vengeful scum and trying to get us to pl her?In post 109, Enigma wrote:
TBH, scum would likely want to pick one from that pair (PGO or one-shot vig) since it's an extra night kill for them essentially. So this means they would have a good chance to know if she is bluffing or not. Plus several town PR to protect/negate/mitigate/watch/etc. Keep in mind town PRs are less likely to know if she is lying or not.In post 103, ceejayvinoya wrote:
Uh I sorta understand.In post 100, Enigma wrote:
Not sure why one would pick a PGO if you were town anyways, considering likely more town PRs than scum PRs. Wouldn't town just choose 1 shot vig?In post 88, skitter30 wrote:i am confused?
if you're PGO i'm not really sure why you would announce this unless you were trying to like purposefully not get visited. although if you're town i guess that's probably be the point
Plus wtf would ruru, as first seed, choose from that pair?
Ruru could always be vengeful scum and trying to get us to pl her?
Town!ruru being on top spot means mafia will prioritize killing her because they think she has this powerful role. Now that she claimed, I'm sure they'll have second thoughts on if visiting her is actually a good idea.
Now we just have to know if this is scum!ruru or town!ruru.
So ruru's whole play has been decidedly anti-town by either wasting a good town PR opportunity, or calling for herself as a town PR to likely be killed.
Anti-town vs scum vs noob hrrrmmmm...
@Skitter - the above posts give me the impression he's debating whether or not we should pl.
And I'm getting suspicious of it because generally I see that people are either for or against pl's as a concept. If you start talking meta and analyzing posts and all that then it ceases to be a PL... then it's just a regular TR or SR.
@ausuka - weird post to choose to point out and TR for vulcan. You don't think he'd make such a post as scum?
@ruru - individually I SR sando for
Feels like a way to make brass stop looking into him too closely.In post 50, Sando wrote:I'm off to bed, but yeah your reads on what I would/wouldn't do as scum are spot on, so I'll read through the rest of your stuff there in the morning, seems worthwhile.
But I also have a gut meta scumread on brass. But since this would be weak af way to distance I don't think they can both be scum. Also because my reasoning for sando sr doesn't work if brass is scum.
Likely scum or 2 among the lurkers but too early to tell them apart.
Assuming you are town ruru that would imo point to scum choosing 3 and/or 4 in the draft. If 1 isn't scum they surely will at least try to get one of the earlier picks and risk the duplication.
So all in all .. I think brass is a good place to start. VOTE: brass
Pedit - I don't agree with the oka sr. I can see why he might bother you but I think you're jumping to the wrong conclusion. His enigma comment while perhaps logically wrong is the towniest thing he's done. Unless he is partners with enigma there is no scum motivation to do it. He had to read enigma's post very carefully to come up with thaf explanation for it and in my experience scum don't do that for people they want to defend. Especislly when enigma wasn't even a wagon at the time so it isn't even wking.-
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To be honest I find that usually scum will be among the people who switched votes.In post 307, Skygazer wrote:his statistics based scumhunting makes v little sense tho and resulted in an opportunistic vote on a wagon and even tho he's making an effort to look like he's scumhunting since then he hasn't taken his vote off the wagon
You see a wagon forming you want to jump on it early then if it loses steam you want to jump off and avoid suspicion.
Or they don't join an early wagon on town because they know it's on town and the wagon may not stick.
So imo if we want to lynch someone based on the wagon on me we should look at the people who voted then unvoted, OR the people who townread me in the first few pages.-
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I made the list because I think if the only reason you scumread enigma is that he voted me then never unvoted that's a bad reason to SR him.In post 316, Skygazer wrote:kidding kidding
BuJaber out of those (now 5) people in your list in 311 do you see any other scum motivations from any of them? Not really buying anybody listed as scum other than maybe possibly vulcan but that's not because he unvoted you
There are other stronger reasons to scumread him like his flip flopping on both sides of the PL argument.
But of that list ofrhz lately seems town I guess. Plays a very different playstyle than I do so it's a bit hard to judge.
Skygazer (you) is a solid null at the moment. I haven't been able to sort you so far.
Vulcan and ausuka aren't contributing much, they don't seem to want to make waves so to speak. They could be scum.
CJ seems like town, but someone like Oka I have a stronger townread on.
Brass I'm leaning scum for a different reason alltogether (meta). I just put him on the list to get confirmation on how to interpret his posts.
Ruru seems town and honestly it'll be more fun to see everyone who knows her be wrong about her than it would be to win. So like I wouldn't keep her alive intentionally if I thought she were scum but it would be glorious if she did end up winning as scum. Would be top 3 scum performances I've seen so far on MS for sure.
Skitter seems like solid town. He's working really hard for town cred if he's scum and I think the way he approaches the game is difficult to fake.
I don't think we should ignore the draft picks completely. I think there is a strong chance that there is scum among the small numbers (ausuka, brass, enigma, sando, CJ, ofrhz). This is even more likely imo if ruru is town (which is looking likely given the overwhelming meta townreads from people and his recent townie posts).
Finally invis and AP could flip either way. They are practically not even in this game.
So if we remove my TRs, that leaves us with the following complete scum pool:
{Vulcan, ausuka, brass, enigma, sando}
Could go either way: {AP, invisibility, skygazer}
Townleans: {ruru, oka, skitter, CJ, ofrhz}
Not a bad start for day 1 if you'll allow me a moment of ego-stroking.-
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If brass is town he's scum. I felt that he agreed with his meta analysis so that he wouldn't analyze him further.In post 325, ceejayvinoya wrote:Why is sando on your scum pool tho
If brass is scum I think Sando is town though. Kind of too obvious buddying there.
And sando picked a low number (4).
I think scum don't want to lose their shot at getting a PR and they would have tried (at least one of them would have) to pick one of the low numbers.
@ausuka - just feels like you aren't being controversial and both your votes were on rising wagons.-
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Player A: "I think x would do this and this as scum"
Player X: 'Yeah you're absolutely right I would that as scum'
Player A (to self): "hmm, x agreed with me. Why would x do that as scum? Also I wanted a discussion about/with x, but x ended the conversation"
You don't see how that would be beneficial to scum?
Let's go about it a different way.
Town talks about one of the scum's meta and is pretty accurate. How do you imagine scum responds to that? I see 3 options.
A) disagree and argue that it is not correct
B) ignore
C) agree
If there's another option please enlighten me. But basically A and B suck for scum. They will likely bring a lot of suspicion on them. The person with the meta read would definitely pursue it at a minimum even if others ignore it. And judging by past games if a past game is linked to prove that the scum player does play the way the town player suggested then that is probably going to end up lynching the scum.-
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Yes and if you've noticed I've reduced my WIFOM significantly. I got the discussion I wanted about dtaft picks and I stopped talking about it. I got the discussion I wanted about PLing ruru and I stopped talking about it.In post 382, OkaPoka wrote:@BuJaber but you do agree that creating wifom is more beneficial for scum than town right?
Then we fundamentally disagree. Ignoring it is terrible.In post 383, Sando wrote:
Ignoring it is by far and away the safest play. You're literally attacking me for agreeing, how is that safe?In post 380, BuJaber wrote:But basically A and B suck for scum. They will likely bring a lot of suspicion on them. The person with the meta read would definitely pursue it at a minimum even if others ignore it.
Also why do people always do that with me. Just because you are claiming I have misread you doesn't mean you have to disagree with every point I make.
I'm right about this. And you agreeing with me about it doesn't automatically make you scum. Incidentally option C is also a viable option for town because townies are honest and forthcoming. The difference between town and scum is that town don't have to worry about getting suspected too much, so options A and B are less problematic. (Though if a townie picks option A that means that either the guy talking about them is scum for faking the meta read or the guy is clueless about the townie's meta and needs to be corrected).
Yes I am but if you had picked option A or B you'd have even more people attacking you I suspect.
@ruru - in the link you posted they talked about "hypo-cop'ing" but not "hypo-inno". Could you explain what it means?-
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Sky - maybe maybe not
Ruru - possible but quite impressive if scum. She's actually participating effectively. Actually the most impressive is how nobody wanted to PL her. These people are very good friends to the point that it's affecting their game. I'm basing this on the fact they were against the PL before ruru started posting actual content. You can't townread anyone based on random stuff, song lyrics, and a pgo claim. I don't care who you are you just can't.
Ofrhz - ehh, hard to read. Seems townie. Comfortable enough to be herself.
Skitter - if she can play scum like this kudos to her.
Overall not the best scum pool especially if you mean all 3 are in here.-
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Sorry duckie duck. You can hijack my post for your VC.In post 400, BuJaber wrote:Sky - maybe maybe not
Ruru - possible but quite impressive if scum. She's actually participating effectively. Actually the most impressive is how nobody wanted to PL her. These people are very good friends to the point that it's affecting their game. I'm basing this on the fact they were against the PL before ruru started posting actual content. You can't townread anyone based on random stuff, song lyrics, and a pgo claim. I don't care who you are you just can't.
Ofrhz - ehh, hard to read. Seems townie. Comfortable enough to be herself.
Skitter - if she can play scum like this kudos to her.
Overall not the best scum pool especially if you mean all 3 are in here.-
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Like if it is a scum-manufactured wagon then they definitely got a few townies to vote there too. They aren't going to all vote there hoping it gets hammered.
Pedit - to be fair it's a pretty useless thing to double down on.
You double down on something as town because you think you're right and you think it's worth doubling down on.
He's doubling down on a vote because he doesn't want to vote Oka and his vote "is not doing anything bad".
Also RVS wagons absolutely matter. Don't know why he thinks they don't.
Pedit 2- oh .. lol should have inferred that. Thanks for explaining. I get the advise as it related to cop claim(s). But not sure if it actually applies to any other claim. Like a cc of another claim is likely something we would need to act upon. We can discuss if it comes up as then we would have actual context.-
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Skitter since I think you're town and I value your opinion, when you get to it comment on my scumpool.
I understand you don't like some of my reasoning wrt to draft picks and Sando, but I've done more sorting since then and when you take the entire process into account Sando becomes part of the pool even if by PoE only because I haven't seen enough for a TR.
And in fact the latest stuff from him is good because it's a lot more black and white. Like he is either overreacting to my lonely vote because he's town and rightfully getting offended or because he's defensive scum lashing out. Pretty much has to be one or the other unlike posting vague general stuff that is hard to intepret. Ehem ehem like a few people in this game (and on this site).
I'm hoping with more posts from her I can figure out which it is.-
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And for the record my niche in recent town games is to scumread things in the early game that nobody else notices. So option A and B would be suspected by the masses.
C you're just unlucky enough to play a game with me.
And if you're town that's just doubly unlucky for both of us because yes I scumread that.-
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Believe me I'd love to find out that I'm wrong about what is scummy or not.
Better to find out you're wrong when you're a relative newbie than when you've become a 15 year veteran of the game.
(When I say what is scummy or not I mean in like 80-90% of times. The other 10-20% is the chance that any action/post no matter how townie it looks from the outside could be scummy because scum are always changing their tactics and trying to appear townie - I am not looking to remove all subjective reasons from the game. That'd be boring and ineffective)-
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That appears to be accurate. When I sorted you I only looked at your ISO and didn't see how many votes were on either.In post 437, Ausuka wrote:
really? my votes were on you and enigma; both of you had exactly one vote at the time, and I was the first serious vote on enigma. i also scumread okapoka before the oka wagon was a thing. i don't understand how you can have this view of my play.In post 329, BuJaber wrote:@ausuka - just feels like you aren't being controversial and both your votes were on rising wagons.
The naked votes threw me off too I admit.
I'll drop you to a null. Knowing the context of your votes makes the votes NAI instead of scummy while we don't know enigma's alignment.
If enigma flips town your vote looks worse.
But I'd like to know why you unvoted me so quickly if you thought I was scum.-
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1 person. Who shared an opinion. Who could be wrong.In post 441, Sando wrote:
Others are telling you exactly what I'm telling you, you don't want to listen to people and would rather double down on a bad argument.In post 440, BuJaber wrote:Believe me I'd love to find out that I'm wrong about what is scummy or not.
In post 423, skitter30 wrote:i don't really think this is a good reason to scumread him and i feel like the reasoning is kinda weak and ignores context-
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@ausuka - oh thought it was about enigma.. ignore the pedit.
Is the inverse association between enigma and ofr/skitter just because they're voting for him or is there something else?
Since you have some idea how they play, di you agree with brass's assessment on what Sando would or wouldn't do as scum?
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Let's make sure we're all talking about the same thing.
Skitter said she thought my reasoning is weak and she doesn't think Sando is scummy.
But my long discussion with Sando actually became about a whole different thing now. It is about a much more general thing: whst is the safest reaction as scum to someone describing things you would do as scum, correctly. Sando thinks it's ignore. I think ignoring would be suicide. So I asked him to provide me evidrnce of ignoring working in his favor in the future.-
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For a guy who stated that he thinks ignoring is a good strategy he isn't ignoring much. That's either because he's telling the truth and iz town or because he's scum WIFOMing.In post 462, ofrhz wrote:
Okay I think some of your back and forth makes more sense here. Aside from the “Sando agreeing with brass” thing, do you have a read on Sando?In post 455, BuJaber wrote:Let's make sure we're all talking about the same thing.
Skitter said she thought my reasoning is weak and she doesn't think Sando is scummy.
But my long discussion with Sando actually became about a whole different thing now. It is about a much more general thing: whst is the safest reaction as scum to someone describing things you would do as scum, correctly. Sando thinks it's ignore. I think ignoring would be suicide. So I asked him to provide me evidrnce of ignoring working in his favor in the future.
If he were the first attacker I'd say his stubbornness would be ai, but considering his case on me is an omgus counter reaction I'm failing to see the scum motivation to do all this.
I'm new to most of the playerbase, had an early wagon on me, haven't earned my influence yet in this game. Why attack me now if scum? Does he think I'm lynchbait? Does he have the foresight that it's better to lynch me early? That would require him to research my towngames and see how I tend to obvtown. If he's generally a researcher it wouldn't be ai, but if he looked up everyone he didn't know just for this game that would be scummy.
The discussion is a distracting tactic that pulls away from the main wagon. Such tunneling is usuallg town indicative so the only bdnefit I can see for scum is if enigma is scum.
So if I ignore the brass association and if enigma is town sando would be a TR.
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The point wasn't clear in the quote. I was saying that in scenario A if scum disagree with someone's analysis of their scum meta snd then that someone linked a past game as evidence the scum would be caught and lynched.In post 464, skitter30 wrote:i don't think that sando was going to get lynched because brass correctly said that sando doesn't agree to have all three scum pick the same number; if anything he was pointing out a reason to not-scumread his draftpick.-
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First point can you show me where.In post 479, Sando wrote:
That's just the part you've decided to engage with. You've also:In post 455, BuJaber wrote:But my long discussion with Sando actually became about a whole different thing now. It is about a much more general thing: whst is the safest reaction as scum to someone describing things you would do as scum, correctly. Sando thinks it's ignore. I think ignoring would be suicide. So I asked him to provide me evidrnce of ignoring working in his favor in the future.
- Said that scum definitively is playing optimally whilst accusing me of doing research, research which shows 4 is the most commonly townpicked number
- Specifically said that based on a single persons post about me, no matter what my reaction, I'd be scummy. This is bad enough when it's based on a post that I make, but when it's someone else making a post it crosses into absurdity.
Second point yes that's my case on you but that wasn't what ofrhz waa agreeing/disagreeing with.
I need to know when people are disagreeing with me about a general opinion on mafia strategy and when they are agreeing/disagreeing on a specific read