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I dig it
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detached from the state of the game seems like a made up read and the rest of it made 0 senseIn post 80, Sesq wrote:
you're right. if you were scum you would have at least tried to phrase it differently. and you're not new. also; town tries hard to look like town too. so theres thatIn post 25, Keyser Söze wrote:
This was a page one question intended to be answered before we enter serious/non-RVS gameplay.In post 16, Sesq wrote:
please Please townread meIn post 13, Keyser Söze wrote:Anyone played this setup before?
I.e what’s the best way to play it... does hypoclaiming help town or scum?
And while we’re all saying hello, what are your opinions on how to deal with lurkers.
You shouldn’t see it as an attempt to look ‘townie’: it’s as non-alignment indicative as say a player asking if there is scum day chat - why are you being lazy/shortsighted?
after reading further its clear (i hope i dont come off as too rude) that keyser is entirely detached from the state of the game ... but not in a scum way. nothing you have said has really made any sense and ive changed my mind. vote stays-
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pretty bad post and especially bad take on reundoIn post 91, 2 718281828459 wrote:Hmmm.
Keyser is interesting. Although he seems scum, I am unable to support that logically. Why is Keyser wanting to limitthe forbidden topicto page 1? (And why not wait until day 2, whenthe forbidden topicactually becomes a thing that can be done?)
Reundo's 46 is a little annoying but I like how he looked at everyone.
I kind of am concerned about Keyser, so VOTE: Keyser.
I am not in that good of a mood, so do not expect any more reads from me at this time.
"annoying" and "looked at everyone" don't describe reundo's 46 and aren't alignment indicative characteristics of any post. seems fake.-
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ok, and so what? do you townread it, scumread it, null read it? who cares if it's unnecessary? is it scummy?In post 104, volxen wrote:
Why did you feel the need to "remind" us not to townread you for posting a mathematical proof? I find it a bit odd to automatically assume that people would give you free towncred just for that one early game contribution. I get your point about people making the mistake of townreading based on effort alone, but I really don't think it was necessary to explicitly say that you don't deserve towncred for sharing a mathematical proof.In post 22, GameNBurger wrote:Also nobody dare TR me for that I did a bunch of shitty math only to come to the conclusion that its business as usual as far as claiming goes
in my last game a bunch of people town read me simply for effort and It blew my fucking minds as to why
I put up with it because I was town and people were having a hard time reading me but I'd like to get it out there that effort is not a one to one correlation with scuminess
a lack of effort is a good indicator of scum but a presence of effort does not indicate town
Anyways let that be a lesson to never do gametheory math late at night because youre bound to make idioitic mistakes, theres still a not great part of the stupidly simple model i used that doesn't account for the fact that T contains M in it, I should have broken it into P=t+M for more generalized use to make the death equation a bit easier to see the relationships-
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I already didIn post 191, Dunnstral wrote:
Give namesIn post 190, Toranaga wrote:half the slots are scummy so idek where to vote
volx, sesq, numbers guy
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LOLIn post 217, Dunnstral wrote:
Commas are scummyIn post 215, 2 718281828459 wrote:Dunnstrai, why would you care if I used an american point (2.718) or a british point (2,718)?
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reundo, irrelephant, sesq, keyser, ausuka voted volxenIn post 203, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.07
2 718281828459 (2)- Irrelephant11 184, Kop 194
Reundo (2)- Ausuka 142, Keyser Söze 143
Dunnstral (1)- northsidegal 170
Sesq (1)- Dunnstral 117
Keyser Söze (1)- Reundo 50
[GameNBurger] (1)- volxen 14
Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga 110, Sesq 135, 2 718281828459 151
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
ok so he is l-2-
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIn post 269, the worst wrote:quack quack-
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do you have anything against easy?
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I'm already pocketed and idec if that makes sense or if you're mafia I just wanna clear you and not look back today
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this is already the towniest motherfucker on the planet
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bolded feels townIn post 293, northsidegal wrote:anyways, i feel as if this game i'm just going to try to get a towncore and go off of poe mainly
town:
northsidegal
2.718281828459(unfortunate you didn't replace into this slot ducky, i think it's town)
Ausuka
Keyser Söze (presuming i can trust kop on keyser's alignment and just for now - keyser is someone who i plan to do more meta on when i get the energy or when someone bothers me about it enough)
Irrelephant11
that leaves:
{volxen, the worst, Dunnstral, Reundo, Toranaga, Kop}
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[swing house lobby]In post 297, the worst wrote:Ah volxen and I have met in site chat and [redacted for siterule reasons]-
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don't townread hypocrisy lolIn post 298, northsidegal wrote:
next up onIn post 286, Reundo wrote:but for now I'll say that I think volxen's case against active lurkers is hypocritical considering he's been active lurking as well for the most part.™ - we'll be taking a note out of mathdino's book and we'll be townreading hypocrisy!nsg's guide tolazylow-effortvery accurate reads!!!
after all, i would personally imagine that newbie scum (assuming volxen is a newbie) would feel self-conscious about trying to push someone for something that he himself knows he's doing. of course, that's assuming that volxen recognizes his own inactivity, but i think we can take that to be true given this:In post 216, volxen wrote:I've been busy with work, I will respond more tomorrow.-
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VOTE: volxenIn post 399, the worst wrote:hot take: we need to hammer Sesq who will do nothing to defend themselves or flashwagon volxen who is one rung townier and will become extremely obvious later if scum
volxen made a lot of scumsplaining and description posts that added no leans and didn't help the game move forward. I think he has a bigger chance of being scum than sesq who is probably kind of... incoherent? regardless of what they rand.-
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it doesn'tIn post 529, the worst wrote:
why does that make Sesq town?In post 525, Irrelephant11 wrote:Feeling pretty good about town!Sesq given they were competing wagons. But I still want lots more from Sesq
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aww you poor thing
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nah, I know my reads are so good it feels like TMIIn post 538, Keyser Söze wrote:Toranaga, bad news.. during my re-read I had you down as the scum partner who bussed Volxen
Do you want me to talk through the scum narrative I have in my head?
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I may have bussed volxen as his partner but I was also the main reason he got lynched I THINK? cause I started that counterwagon for real. the lynch was going elsewhere until I voted there and TW went "woooooo" ITT and then everybody followed
if there's bussing it's either before I voted or after TW moved there. TW is clear. no one fakes this much excitement this early about lynching a scum partner I don't think.-
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it's TORanaga
TOR
not taranaga
I can take being called toranga, but not taranaga
ok now onto your thing
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Taranaga name drops his scum partner’s name and two other viable wagons.
Does not go into detail or present his scum case on any of them."
UNEXPLAINED READS? MUST BE A WOLF. you saw how volxen explained every single thing he thought or saw in the game, right? and what did he flip? yup.
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Taranaga asks this question to Volxen: it’s a very non-aggressive/rhetorical question you would ask your scum partner. I suspect it was soft-distancing."
I'm getting around the idea that this is a wolf making pointless reads/questions etc there. it felt like fake work and I wanted to see what he'd respond to it. this isn't distancing, this is me smelling wolf from his post.
the rest of it I can't really respond to. I'm not in the mood to read this until I need to and I don't need to.
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hey Taranaga, please give me a rating for a) effort b) believability c) sincerity"
a for effort
b for delivery
a for sincerity
I'm locktowning you for trying to case me, it's really cute from you-
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that does look like a wolf lmao
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dunn's posts today, looks very frozen.In post 549, Dunnstral wrote:Don't think it's Tornaga, think we should be taking a second look at Ausuka-
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alright dunn
I ISO'd you and didn't think it was too bad. there's some towny moments like making fun of NSG and asking a bunch of seemingly relevant questions while providing no follow up. little towny things here and there.
you seem only focused on ausuka this gameday and I can't townread anything this shallow.-
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what a beautiful vc. this wagon feels pure. I didn't read irrelephant or reundo to any depth but the posts keyzer soze mentioned are a great look for reundo who seemed to be onto volxen from the very beginning and for all the correct reasons why he was a wolf (the superficial highly descriptive posting that never really went anywhere). keyser is very towny and I think sesq is town for a lot of added up thin reads on both players in that slot.In post 230, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.08
volxen (4)- Reundo 220, Irrelephant11 221, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224
2 718281828459 (1)- Kop 194
Dunnstral (1)- northsidegal 170
Reundo (1)- Ausuka 142
Sesq (1)- Dunnstral 117
[GameNBurger] (1)- volxen 14
Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga 110, 2 718281828459 151
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
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dunn has a point in ausuka's very late entrance onto this wagon. I also dislike some of her posts. NSG, dunn, myself are not on any wagons and all look bad. I think <ausuka, NSG, dunnstrall> is a good lynchpool rn looking at this. since I made the 3rd or 4th vote later on volxen when sesq was a runaway wagon, I think VCA actually points to me being town as wellIn post 251, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.09
volxen (5)- Reundo 220, Irrelephant11 221, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224, Ausuka 239
2 718281828459 (2)- Kop 194, volxen 237
Dunnstral (1)- northsidegal 170
Sesq (1)- Dunnstral 117
Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga 110, 2 718281828459 151
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
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this points heavily to the scum team being NSG and ausukaIn post 344, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.11
Sesq (4)- Dunnstral 117, northsidegal 307, the worst 308, volxen 330
volxen (4)- Reundo 220, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224, Ausuka 239
Toranaga (1)- Irrelephant 255
[2 718281828459] (1)- Kop 194
Not voting: Toranaga 110, [2 718281828459] 151
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
is that how it's done, titus? did I learn from the master well?-
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NSG just jumps opportunistically into that sesq wagon didn't she
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and look where ausuka is now amiriteIn post 395, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.13
Sesq (5)- Dunnstral 117, northsidegal 307, the worst 308, volxen 330, Ausuka 345
volxen (3)- Reundo 220, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224
Keyser Söze (1)- Huntress 393
Toranaga (1)- Irrelephant 255
Huntress (1)- Eragon 194
Not voting: Toranaga 110
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
if I clear dunn, and I think I am clearing dunn already in my head, then yeah ausuka/nsg probably contain at least one wolf-
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it's a beautiful thing this lynch. I think everyone but ausuka is going to ~always be town here. I am townreading the people who voted volxen for reasons that are outside of voting volxen btw, this isn't pure VCA of course. but there's VCA here to corroborate my reads on those players.In post 411, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.14
volxen (6)- Reundo 220, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224, Toranaga 402, the worst 406, Ausuka 408
Sesq (3)- Dunnstral 117, northsidegal 307, volxen 330
Keyser Söze (1)- Huntress 393
Toranaga (1)- Irrelephant 255
Huntress (1)- Eragon 194
Not voting: N/A
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
ausuka/NSG today? if anyone has meta that tells otherwise please point @ me
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last time the worst voted right after me, you know what happened?
a wolf died.-
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oh yeah btwIn post 603, Dunnstral wrote:My case on Ausuka is that he voted Volxen then switched over to Sesq when that became a thing then switched back to volxen when that was happening, and I remember their votes being pretty bad at the time
this solidifies my dunn townread cause I came to the same conclusion just checking VCA
feels like a very organic d2 tunnel, he just got there faster than us
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I can confirm tooIn post 644, Keyser Söze wrote:TW and I are not the two remaining mafia goons.
@the worst - can you confirm.
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oh wait-
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maybe tora but I think dunn is town mateIn post 647, Keyser Söze wrote:Came into D2 thinking Toro-Dunn (but they’re both united over scum-Ausuka, who in turn doesn’t town read them! how perfect ) so this is going to be an interesting day. So I’m now sat here with my popcorn, waiting to see the uncensored interactions between those players (so far they’ve talked about eachother, but not engaged one another).-
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In post 657, Irrelephant11 wrote:My last thought (about Toranaga) got me thinking about how the wagon on volxen happened and I went back and found this
Which, given scum don't have day chat, is VERY INTERESTING.In post 399, the worst wrote:hot take: we need to hammer Sesq who will do nothing to defend themselves or flashwagon volxen who is one rung townier and will become extremely obvious later if scum
If volxen "will become extremely obvious later if scum", why be concerned about lynching him now? (wagon movement was still more toward sesq, who tw says here is scummier)
Unlesshe's trying to hint to his scum buddy that it's time to bus
Toranaga immediately followed it up with the move to vote volxen, which tw followed. Tor has tried to claim towncred for them both this game day, and has since lampshaded "inb4 partners" which, admittedly, would be bold, but would also make anyone who called them partners look a little silly
Any thoughts on this? tw has come across as feeling v towny in tone but I can't get over the combo of
-GNB's weirdness
-volxen's long, drawn out nullread of the slot
-tw's TMI of the lynch
And then Toranaga
-Has directed attention off-wagon without reasoning
-Has lots of interactions with tw that are really very friendly and (significantly) once tw joined the game Tor was much more interested in playing
Tor was also pretty scummy last game day imo (see: Keyser's case, which was mostly ignored?)
Thoughts anyone? They happen to both be independently possible scum but ISO the two of them + GNB and see if you see what I see
For now I'll start with VOTE: Toranaga
pedit: hi sorry-
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when have I directed attention off wagon though? I came in, read the wagons, thought volxen was scummier and booya it was scum
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everyone casing me is town
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I am interested in where I tried to drive attention off wagon. that literally did not happen at all-
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