I just feel like, regardless of whether or not anyone enages with my points or reundo's points, I've not been able to see the case for Town Keyser all game and don't feel like anyone else has been able to explain it eitherIn post 2289, Irrelephant11 wrote:@Nauci sorry on a personal level if it feels like your work is being straight up ignored
Sometimes it's just a lot of work to completely re-evaluate on a strong townread (which most of us have had on keyser for most of the game)
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He has SO many words this gameIn post 2295, Irrelephant11 wrote:Yes
He's the reason I unvoted sesq
He's been spewing his thoughts at every chance he gets
His play reminds me somewhat of Presidents (including things like scummy word choices which meh)
He's the top poster, and he's not just posting at opportunistic times
.... on the other hand he's maybe been openwolfing lol
Why is it so hard to find town trains of thought in all of those words
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Side noteIn post 2292, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Keyser Soze (for the benefit of those still angling a Keyser counter wagon).
(Will force myself to do one final read with 5 days to go).
Something like 80-85% of self votes I've seen on MS were scum-
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Sorry out of context it sounds ridiculousIn post 2302, Toranaga wrote:of course he will. town or scum, he'll try to find someone to get lynched in his place. why is that troublesome to you, nauci?
I meant it as within the discussion of having reundo or Keyser in lylo-
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^In post 2269, Toranaga wrote:btw reundo whatever your alignment is, it was an immense pleasure to play with you and you made some of the finest posting I read on this site recently. you're awesome to play with even if you were mostly not around to do so.-
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Pushing the scum read that I've had since literally my first catch up post in this entire game, that has been developed over all the reactions in all of my catch up posts, from Day 2 through today?In post 2326, Toranaga wrote:pushing for keyser today feels more agenda driven than anything and sesq was objectively scummy throughout
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Not really, noIn post 2337, Eragon wrote:I have two things,
1. @Nauci are you currently thinking Reundo is scum, or at least probably scum if Keyser flips tow
2. I dont personally feel Nauci has been Agenda-y, I could maybe see it a little, but also the circumstances I definitely see it being harder to post. AFAICT they have had a busy Game-day(relatable) and I know that when you hardly have time, as town or scum, it makes you wolfier. I can't really explain it much more, but ive definitely seen it happen.
It's like
1: Keyser
Tied for 85th: Toranaga/Irrelephant11
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I will be so mad if/when you flip red and no one but reundo and I could see you openwolfingIn post 2338, Keyser Söze wrote:
This was very inspirational Tora, thanks.In post 2319, Toranaga wrote:I have little respect for your self vote unless you're scum btw
you're trying to wash your hands to this game. you don't wanna deal with f4, so you're putting the weight of the game on reundo instead.
I had a sleep on it and decided I must play to my WIN CON here, and vote based on my reads. If we are to lose here, we must lose the right way.
Reundo through their play is least likely to be town. I do believe they haven’t given their slot the full justice it deserves and is locked in their reads, but that isn’t a reason to keep them alive.
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There's one scum left
I've had one super strong scum read since I joined
My slot is town read and not in danger of being mislynched
I had a 103 fever for most of the week
Didn't seem like I needed to post much today
I correct my statement about whether I'd be suspicious of reundo or not if Keyser flips green, because it's definitely possible he's been purposefully mirroring my thoughts to get me in his corner
But still, I think he'd be capable of doing a lot more as scum
I think that I'd like to scrutinize Irrelephant11 more though, because if you read our newbie game he played an absolutely beautiful scum game and without pressure on his slot in days it's impossible to tell if he's town or scum here when he's got no motivation to post when there's an obvious route to victory
Also
I promise that there's no way I'd go for a quick lynch tomorrow regardless of who's flipped today-
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I would like you to state exactly what you mean by "through their play," and also why you are hard town reading the rest of us in comparisonIn post 2338, Keyser Söze wrote:
This was very inspirational Tora, thanks.In post 2319, Toranaga wrote:I have little respect for your self vote unless you're scum btw
you're trying to wash your hands to this game. you don't wanna deal with f4, so you're putting the weight of the game on reundo instead.
I had a sleep on it and decided I must play to my WIN CON here, and vote based on my reads. If we are to lose here, we must lose the right way.
Reundo through their play is least likely to be town. I do believe they haven’t given their slot the full justice it deserves and is locked in their reads, but that isn’t a reason to keep them alive.
VOTE: Reundo
I am very confident town will win this game now.
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MariaR has screamed for her to be the lynch the day before lylo while scumIn post 2316, Toranaga wrote:nauci, you're suggesting the man that's arguing he needs to be lynched now isn't displaying anything towny in his ISO? I highly doubt that. if this is scum, it's quite abusive scum theatrics from an extremely talented actor.
Like I just view it as a theatrics stunt that pads out his post count in lieu of having to explain his thoughts
It feels like every time I've asked Keyser to explain his thought process he dodged or threw a small tantrum and called people conf biased or said that it was something town also does
Again, I have yet to see a single coherent narrative for a town keyser perspective on any other player in the game, whether it's reundo or tw or dunnnstral or ausuka or Eragon or volxen
He's failed to engage on any meaningful questions and is far more aggressive than I've seen his town game be-
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Are you ever going to stray from "this scummy thing I did isn't a scum thing!"?In post 2312, Keyser Söze wrote:
Well that’s just another scum tell I’m gonna have to rip to shreds this game.In post 2301, Nauci wrote:
Side noteIn post 2292, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Keyser Soze (for the benefit of those still angling a Keyser counter wagon).
(Will force myself to do one final read with 5 days to go).
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You could change it by getting me out of tunneling you by showing your workIn post 2308, Keyser Söze wrote:
Look at the last 5 pages Nauci, do you seriously think someone not named Keyser or Reundo is getting lynched here?In post 2303, Nauci wrote:Town Keyser would be fighting hard to stay alive so people don't mislynch in lylo
I just hate all of the "if dunnstral flips green I don't care about this game" or "if reundo flips town it's gg" talk as well
The game is over.
As I said, Reundo was the only one who could change the game.
He didn’t.
You could have done that any time since Day 2 when I started calling out things
But the explanation for why you didn't mention volxen buttering you up was absolutely insufficient; town Keyser does not let that blatant pocketing sit unless you want to show me other times you have, as town-
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...I forgot
I knew at some point during day 3 though
But the way he progressed on Dunnstral was pretty town-
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I am the worst watcher ever
Scum you have outplayed me so hard
I am so sorry guys T_T
I watched Eragon last night thinking there's no way scum would take out the best bet of a mislynch
But I should have guessed because they've been taking out almost every single top mislynch opportunity the whole game-
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Last scum was much more scared of watcher guilty than of being figured out by town though
However
Kudos because with everyone's tunneling out of the way this should be just the most fascinating last day
KEYSER I'M SORRY
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Good pointIn post 2442, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm ISOing myself for clues
This might be a clueIn post 1043, Irrelephant11 wrote:Hmmm: Volxen never has any interaction from his side with the Kop[Eragon] slot or Dunnstral, except to welcome Eragon to the game. I think this is mostly meaningless for Eragon, less certain on what it means for Dunnstral, who actively tried to shift people off the volxen wagon early on.
pedit: I wonder if scum knew that Nauci would think it was me here
ftr Nauci there's no way scum!me takes you to mylo-
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Too busy/lazy/burned out to make a full vote tracker for this game but Tora's thing was useful so let's do it for the rest of the final VCs
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good catch, RelIn post 2425, Eragon wrote:So I’m not sure if the scum is (Tora/irrelelphant)
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So you both lock town Irrelephant11? Why?In post 2477, Toranaga wrote:so you guys do the reading, I'll sit back and enjoy not having to do that
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But making it about commas is specifically a misrep that is the reason it really became a point of discussionIn post 2512, Eragon wrote:
i gave a response to it, already, but why not again?In post 2510, Nauci wrote:Irrelephant, what did you think about Dunnstral's treatment of NSG when she was talking about Kop's posts having an odd cadence? Potential chainsawing?
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He briefly suspected me yesterday, not today...In post 2511, Eragon wrote:
i mean, once you were confirmed watcher its not really good to SR you, and by the time i got back to the thread the only 2 people to claim were us, meaning you were confirmed watcher already.In post 2509, Nauci wrote:I'm leaning eragon thus far
Oddly enough I think Tora being paranoid I'm scum was rather town
if you werent confirmed watcher i probably would have been suspicious as well.
Tora conf!towned you after you were confirmed watcher as well.
i dont think that is AI at all.
Both of those posts are odd, like you've forgotten what happened this game :O-
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I'm paying to get lasers shot at my eyeballs ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗIn post 2533, Toranaga wrote:IDK what a lasik is but congrats nauci!
eragon still the scum between eragon and irrel hopefully
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While sleeping last night I literally dreamed about that lolIn post 2536, Irrelephant11 wrote:
lol sameIn post 2534, Nauci wrote:I didn't get through enough of the game last night so I'll have to come back for this later
but I keep imagining NSG in the dead thread shouting at us to not let Tora end game us
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