open 759: house party (compleded)

[Fuscosco]

paarty house

[Fuscosco]

poke

[Fuscosco]

poooke

[Fuscosco]

Im good scumreading that

[Fuscosco]

Given you didnt care until I posted I dont see how you can post a wall in self-confidence unironically.

[Fuscosco]

And 4 pages deep.

[Fuscosco]

Actually, I TR PP preemptively.

[Fuscosco]

[Fuscosco]

Please explain the party mechanics to me in a quick manner. re: its permanence and how scum interact with it. And how many rooms we can form (total and per day) and if death of a member destroys a room.

[Fuscosco]

I think putting active people in the party is a reasonable idea - I'd lean toward active and seeming townie too.

subjective and a common fallacy. eg though, its understandable. id lean towards not making any parties for the early game. but again, its subjective.

[Fuscosco]

activity=alignment

[Fuscosco]

ugh, then why do we want to add all the damn cool kids to the party? havent you guys ever seen scream?

[Fuscosco]

I just think that if the hood is permanent then we shouldnt be adding people willy nilly. its eg, and (Im sitting down to read this for the first time now) I think we can do better than that.

[Fuscosco]

i think we should ignore the party mechanic and treat this like a good ol mountainous game

Skygazer [WORDS] . . maybe townie?
HEAL: Mary Saotome
HEAL: Kirari Momobami

I

really

want this slot to be scum, but this post is kind of townish

[Fuscosco]

Parties are re-elected daily right?

Lego my ego.

Lean pink on these, for purely meta reasons.

Ego

You will always be read as 'Aero' to me when I skim.

they can start killing everyone, if I understand the setup correctly...

Im not touching this.

[Fuscosco]

We should still do the fifty fifty.

We can then have two pools off scum to hunt in.

we would have a situation where scum would benefit from killing outside the party. especially if half of them got into it.

[Fuscosco]

essentially exactly the same as her entrance in a past game where she was scum

good

have other spicy reasons

crap

[Fuscosco]

Skygazer and Hellknight are switchable for me

the skygazer hate is premature unless there's some meta reason. its just a case of killing the outspoken.

hellknight pressure is neat tho


mary, pp, and sky are people i think i should iso.

psure pp iso is a void, i thought sky didnt post much but somebody quoted a thing, and mary strikes me as kind of sly, but im sure its a part of the alt personality.

[Fuscosco]

HEAL: nobody


Come on out here, cheecky~!
VOTE: hell knight

[Fuscosco]

i think the obvious strat would be to sequester strong townreads/players away to keep them safe

am interested in hearing the other one

only if we can safely populate it enough.

TRT you designed this whats ur take on setup spec

ohh?

Why??? Not liking this post at all, feels like you're writing a paper and trying to get your word count up

actually this did come off as a little greasy.

I think youre letting the anime overload affect your judgement. The post you quoted was absolutely within normal bounds of this site's meta.


enh. PP is largely one liners, but.
Sky's kind of redshifted.

[Fuscosco]

Right. RC ignored Sky.

[Fuscosco]

Sky is town

hmmmm

[Fuscosco]

I think we should put a group of 5 people into the party today - At that number, the groups are split enough that we get some real info, and the party group is small enough that we can add a few more people. Once somebody is in the party, they cannot be removed, so we'll just reverse our strategy later on: If we want a small group of people, they can be the people outside of the party

Who did you have in mind, if not 5 townreads?

cuz i could see this as good stuff.

No lurkers.

[Fuscosco]

but raises yours

[Fuscosco]

You forgot he didnt answer, and/or felt the need to verify it? If it wasnt a big deal before, why is it now?

[Fuscosco]

is it even RC, or just this supposed other head's game?

[Fuscosco]

meta.

As in, Im new to volx but ive seen several scum incarnations of him
And Ive known titus onsite for years.

[Fuscosco]

Why is that the part you focused on?

[Fuscosco]

And thats why you use a gimmick

[Fuscosco]

Do you wanna do something less inane?

[Fuscosco]

I havent said anything about you.

Its interesting that this is what you do decide to play for.

[Fuscosco]

Do you have a read on me Date Mike?

[Fuscosco]

hunh.

Well then. its for not playing. But here you are.

[Fuscosco]

idk why you thought Id know who you are? Most times I dont know my own role, the playerlists, or even the setups of some of my games.

[Fuscosco]

Michael Scott (volxen & Auro)

hunh. yea i thought you were trying to dodge early game.

[Fuscosco]

And I assumed the account was a gimmick alt, which Im less than enthused about in general. hate. hate. hate most gimmick alts.

[Fuscosco]

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[Fuscosco]

HEAL: TRT
HEAL: Mary Saotome

i'm pocketing u btw.

Nooooo, Mary has some towncred w/o u baby

[Fuscosco]

idrc if we lose because town scumread me but i'll be damned if i lose cuz scum got away with scumreading me.

[Fuscosco]

No I think you making yourself a big deal when townyou wants to be town and scumyou should want to be ignoreed or the feature menu is sus. I think youre playinhg silly meta games.

[Fuscosco]

If yu say so, but i bet others will make it make sense.

[Fuscosco]

k

[Fuscosco]

<3

stop doing it tho

[Fuscosco]

IT

BEEP BEEP RRICHIE

[Fuscosco]

BEEP BEEP
Fuckin' Tim Curry

[Fuscosco]

ohhh?

[Fuscosco]

Howdy

VC please

HEAL: Random half of the village

big off.

[Fuscosco]

OFF

VOTE: titus

[Fuscosco]

Titus is a noplay here.

[Fuscosco]

Titus has the time to play, she chooses not to. Hell knight at least gave a read or two.

[Fuscosco]

Titus' one true flaw is to fail to achieve legendary status; she lacks that mystique. she continues to need to prove herself; no?

[Fuscosco]

pls remove the twins

[Fuscosco]

enh

[Fuscosco]

RC hydra is town. I’d bet money on it.

UNVOTE:

mmmhmmmm.........

[Fuscosco]

that guys town. and if he isnt you wouldnt know the difference; so why worry?

[Fuscosco]

whoop what team players

[Fuscosco]

it's a very titus idea

[Fuscosco]

my issue with it is one of preference.

[Fuscosco]

I haven't really sorted this game. Ill look today or tomorrow.

I don't think that forcing scum into the party intentionally is good.

I dont think putting 'popular' players into the party is good.

I dont think putting 5 players that you cant 100 read or lynch without social dramahs is good

[Fuscosco]

The hood should be used to restrict kills, not sus out theories.

[Fuscosco]

Im voting nobody.

[Fuscosco]

Convince me to not.

[Fuscosco]

HEAL: PenguinPower, Skygazer, Raya36, Hell Knight
Actually that a fair mix.

[Fuscosco]

I don't want titus, kirari, fuscosco, or lannisters in the party.

Nobody has tried to add these.

[Fuscosco]

HEAL: Mary Saotome, Yumeko Jabami, Kirari Momobami, PenguinPower, SkyGazer

VOTE: Hellknight

Skygazer and Hellknight are switchable for me

Who are you scum/town reading here/

[Fuscosco]

Id vote sky. who trs her?

Her opening could be town, but what since?

[Fuscosco]

Titus, I'm interested in if you can get the minesweeper approach to work. I couldnt.

hmmmm? I assumed this was an off siter. But if not i scumread it

[Fuscosco]

I'm leaning town Fuscosco but my reasoning is honestly very weak. His content in itself is fine but I don't really find it alignment indicative, it's more so the way he spam posts multiple posts in a row. It just feels genuine as in he keeps coming up with something else to add, which I'm not even sure is necessarily towny but I'm getting towny vibes from it nonetheless.

I dont remember your meta, but this is fine sentiment. I wouldnt call it AI, but I would call my tone and lack of direction town. A scumsco would want to find a chink to exploit, and would be probing many players.

[Fuscosco]

I also find Sky slightly town, I mainly liked her earlier posts.
I also want to townread Kirari. I wasn't really a fan of her first posts, but I thought #211 was a good post.

I actually agree with a lot of this post, except that my TR of Sky wore off quickly. It just got stale.

[Fuscosco]

I TR RC slot

[Fuscosco]

Null on PP, townlean on Lannister; but most based on Volx head tonals

[Fuscosco]

Still willing to pressure titus.


If we are going to put towns into the hood, I think Foe and duppin are good

HEAL: foe, duppin, fus

[Fuscosco]

That's not enough for me to vote on, however, I definitely would like her in the party.

I dont have a good town meta on her yet, but she definitely feels different than what Ive come to expect from her.

[Fuscosco]

BAE COME PLAY! Whos the other head there again?

VOTE: titus

[Fuscosco]

ffs percy

[Fuscosco]

Aye so lets kill Titus, Bobert, Sky, And maaaaybe mary. I remember disliking them but not for any specific post.

[Fuscosco]

rc is his regal majesty. or the slot now occupied by Edgar

[Fuscosco]

1: id prefer voters didn't try to add themselves
2: I don't feel sky is a lock town read

[Fuscosco]

do me!

[Fuscosco]

You're doing it yourself; why can't we?

What I do for a reaction and what I put foreward seriously are different. Im not the only name in my heal that nobody else tried to heal thus far

[Fuscosco]

im a little confused.

scum cant kill

into

the hood w/o being outed. Killing

outwards

from in the hood confers no such penalty, right?

[Fuscosco]

umm we shoukd doc up townish players tonight and then add more tomorrow.

rather than a straight 50/50

i think the hood has more value as an immediate deterent than a later VCA tool

[Fuscosco]

Im kind of on the fence about yumeko. but i think I would still read them as townish and even if it were null id prefer another rope due to inactivity.

[Fuscosco]

Im honestly wary of people locktowning me. Im really not used to it, and I dont even actively strive for it.

[Fuscosco]

Don't worry - I'm not townlocking you.

Ya but LAMIST

[Fuscosco]

Sorry, I mean LOOK AT _ME_ I AM SOO TOWN

[Fuscosco]

nvm. the funs gone.

[Fuscosco]

Titus
Hell Knight (Persivul and Baezu)
PenguinPower
RedPanda Bittersweet
duppin Gamma Emerald
Mary Saotome
Yumeko Jabami
Uncle Bob
Skygazer

This is probs a good lynch pool. Some of these, like pp or titus, Id prefer not to do, buuut.

Sky is also higher up, as is panda.

[Fuscosco]

hmmmm


bob
yumeko
knight/red
sky/mary

[Fuscosco]

The thing about the Hood Ive been thinking about:


Due to the quadratic plurality system, we expect that disagreements about the exact composition are okay.

I think we should try to read the people we put into it. All scum has to do is get a townie to side with them and their chances of getting their hood in are quadrupled, or something.
Once we get a flip we should use that and the hood data to play balls. I expect people who lack good scumreads prior to flips are going to catch flak.

[Fuscosco]

Fusc why Duppin? Why aren't you townreading him?
Will you not sheep me on my heal?

-Jeff

Its an okay heal list.

[Fuscosco]

Im kind of keeping an eye out for people who want sheepvotes and want to push specific people into the hood. or keep them out of it.
Also, like I said before, trying to put yourself in the hood is extra vain and kind of like including yourself in your own readlists.

[Fuscosco]

"]HEAL: Inbred Lannisters, Duppin[/quote]

[Fuscosco]

hunh

HEAL: inbred and Duppin

[Fuscosco]

most obvious NK target

Noooo

hahahaha nooo you arent.


A scumme wouldnt be interested in killing somebody like you N1. No offense guys.

[Fuscosco]

@Lannister

How do you feel about Mary, Kirari, and Foe?

[Fuscosco]

Did you really assume Party is a neighborhood?

No Im just saying that for ease of convo.

[Fuscosco]

I kind of want foe in for sure.
Im psure kirari is a good NK for scum and is reasonably town to me.

[Fuscosco]

Mary is actually one I want to be town. Im rooting for them

[Fuscosco]

Foe himself is all setup and nostalgia. But I def feel they are tonally town.

RC I think Im beginning to see patterns, and I TRed them a bit.

[Fuscosco]

And my RC read has nothing to do with their place out.

[Fuscosco]

?

[Fuscosco]

That whole conversation has left me kind of stunned.

[Fuscosco]

Currently better than a hellknight-pp-raya-sky group.


Somebody make a better offer.

[Fuscosco]

HEAL: fus, duppin, inbred, edgar

[Fuscosco]

still want kirari

[Fuscosco]

koo

[Fuscosco]

wohoo

[Fuscosco]

though I'm honored to be here, Im feeling like not an obvious nk and quite a bit like a hypocrite

[Fuscosco]

so what happens to the lynch now?

[Fuscosco]

pp you should never go to a party early

[Fuscosco]

sky gimme a read or six

[Fuscosco]

I actually think this is great, we have the deepwolf isolated to 4 slots, so we can start lynching in them while feeding more into the house pets to create an actual townblock.

I'm not sure if this is scum, really bad town, or if my illness made me delusional.

Im hating how quickly this escalated. its akward

[Fuscosco]

well, at least it wasnt serious. I almost had a panic attack.

[Fuscosco]

eaf is probably town

That is why i voted for them

[Fuscosco]

I kind of have a weak and vague sus on panda, so this is cool for me.

[Fuscosco]

I feel cheated for not having gotten credit for wrangling myself into the party

[Fuscosco]

I convinced people who didnt locktown me to locktown me.

[Fuscosco]

You locktown me too now

[Fuscosco]

unvote

[Fuscosco]

But really, Hellknight is the best vote today, the fact that I got run up to 8 votes while hell knight did nothing and nobody was interested in voting him should speak volumes, it's highly scum indicative

This is bad logic. Standing alone, its really weak.

[Fuscosco]

HEAL: Inbred, Fusc, Duppin, Edgar

y

[Fuscosco]

Just before? In a vacuum?

Titus null
PP nulltown
Sky kind of town

[Fuscosco]

What's HK at right now?

hk is an easy out lynch. i dont like LHF lynches as a rule; they havent been here, but I def scumread the,

[Fuscosco]

I think they're town, I just still think they're more than likely to end up costing us the game at this point (in addition to making the rest of the game a lot less fun).

Hi after the part is not when you do this indepth analysis on IL
We need a wagon today, the hk focus is weak

[Fuscosco]

Im really wary of all this focus on

1: the hood composition post-formation
2: Assuming theres a deepwolf post-formation
3: Pushing a lurker wagon like its a civic duty


its really shit

[Fuscosco]

wtf is wrong with you people. havent you ever heard that activity!=Alignment.

[Fuscosco]

You mark my words, that looked more and more like ST the more it went on.

[Fuscosco]

No, Im not doing that. Play and make some good posts and eat a rope.

[Fuscosco]

Im very frustrated with the last several pages

[Fuscosco]

lul.

we eagerly await your catchup bob.

we need to know who is the wolf

[Fuscosco]

ok bob, you have my attentions now.

what else?

[Fuscosco]

actually that's kind of right

[Fuscosco]

no thanks.

i mean, im an alt who is public about knowing people onsite, and i feel no compunction to claim.

If you think code and cross talk is happening, notify a mod. PP knows everyone, for instance, and could be assed to look into it

[Fuscosco]

you still sr yukeno?

[Fuscosco]

mary aight still

[Fuscosco]

VOTE: mary

[Fuscosco]

Hey, people who are here now.

A Bobert read?

[Fuscosco]

Uncle Bob

ert

[Fuscosco]

He a Newbie so I'm a bit biased, and he also likes eaf so...small lean town.

he has a decent amount of experience. maybe not necessarily on site, but he's no newbie.

[Fuscosco]

Wat.

read hit ketchup

[Fuscosco]

Im more pissed he didnt comment on anything recent and is using old info to read people.

[Fuscosco]

Sorry - kid broke the trampoline netting.

I'll require proof via a video of the net and a napkin with his tears.

[Fuscosco]

I for one would like explanations for why some of you instead of trying to convince people to follow your strategy or agreeing on a strategy just left it to chance.

gIVING PROVERN PERCY HIS CHANCE TO NOT BE SCUM



[SIZE=5OO]YOU PING ME BRO[/SIZE]

[Fuscosco]

SIZE DOES MATTER BIoETCHE

[Fuscosco]

youre home go drunk

[Fuscosco]

S0 is mary okay
IM just trying to require] consensus

[Fuscosco]

hmmmm?

I have more respect for percy than that. And I believe bae is really busy.

Im not saying theyre town im saying its not the best lynch today. What do you only have 1 scumread? In a large game, why are you _not_ willing to look at several people?

Do you SR any of the defenders? Would lynching an association of hk today appease you?

[Fuscosco]

Its weird to think scum want to powerwolf into the hood on D1 instantly and that you cant accept multiple viable wagons. Its really narrow

[Fuscosco]

And ftr Im of the opinion that scum would want to keep the hood as diluted as possible. Weaken it by adding noone or everyone.

[Fuscosco]

HURT: hk

[Fuscosco]

I dont get the null reads on me.

[Fuscosco]

okay - i dont get the shade on me. Im absolutely far and away not playing my scum game. im too passive here.

[Fuscosco]

Its not that Im outside my scum range, its that my scum game is outside my town range.

[Fuscosco]

Theres not much meta to this account.

[Fuscosco]

Im rather curious about the read on me.


Im experimenting with this account, and here specifically im purposely being lazy. Id love to hear what sounds fake and why.

[Fuscosco]

w.e. I mean im not really an easy mislynch, so let's move it along

[Fuscosco]

Bae TRs me for meta reasons Im sure

[Fuscosco]

Volx too

[Fuscosco]

*shrugs*

I mean go nuts.

[Fuscosco]

Hey

PP

can I has PT Powers?

[Fuscosco]

I actually think raya might have caught the red plague

[Fuscosco]

cake

[Fuscosco]

Hoppy Cake

[Fuscosco]

I dont think so. Kind of tempted to say its PP out of the two [pp, hk]

Tho their performance was generally lackluster this game. :{

[Fuscosco]

Fusco panda and sky where are you all on hk?

Town


Ive been meaning to point out about the party -> People were competing against the current composition, by voting all manner of things from 'nobody' to 'people are too stupid to mafia so they go in' to 'heres a rando 50/50 group' to 'here's a group we all should sheep it'.

[Fuscosco]

Whether or not this percy bae fight is happening, its a town slot I think. They just dont have any survival instincts going on rn. imo

[Fuscosco]

this unhealthy focus on the hood.

realistically scum shouldnt mind it. Tomorrow and the next day and then again on day 4 they have all the chances to add themselves. Lets see who dies.

[Fuscosco]

Im tired of this. I dont want to get involved in their hydra drama. If you want me to PL the slot sure.


From a gameplay perspective I dont care what theyre doing in their PT. I dont care that they present a disorganized mess. I prefer to read intentions. And their intentions are unclear. I do not TR the slot, but I respect or like each head enough to give them some breathing room.

I think theres about a 33% chance they flip scum. I think their slot has been muddied by their bad play, and there are a myriad of things scum and bad town can do to ruin and obfuscate the results on such a slot, no matter what the eventual flip is. I think that, removing all of that, there is more, and better, info to have from other lynches. Less muddied info, while we wait for the replacement or for them to unfuck themselves. I think your tunnel is bad play, and you unwillingness to compromise or move on bad play. Stop.

[Fuscosco]

I am tired of it.
Im continuously irritated that people like kirari keep trying to shade the party but lack the nads to vote there.

[Fuscosco]

IL
Foe
Duppin

is how id rate the party's towniness, and Ive voiced my discontent with duppin fwiw. Im content with the hood composition, and I think we can talk more about how to proceed with adding/not adding to it tomorrow. I doubt any of us die tonight. I think discussion about the future of the party is vastly more fruitful than throwing out continuous and low key shade kiri

[Fuscosco]

Titus
Hell Knight (Persivul and Baezu)
PenguinPower
RedPanda Bittersweet
duppin Gamma Emerald
Mary Saotome
Yumeko Jabami
Uncle Bob
Skygazer

This is probs a good lynch pool. Some of these, like pp or titus, Id prefer not to do, buuut.

Sky is also higher up, as is panda.

youre right, its not here. I had one typed up about how I wanted to see you post more before I committed to a TR

[Fuscosco]

but I'm not actively SRing you

[Fuscosco]

my biggest harp on IL is that he isn't compromising. I can, especially when its a small gripe

[Fuscosco]

Kirari Momobami has been killed! she was a

vanilla townie!

ohh wow color me fuckin shocked

[Fuscosco]

Ive been so busy elsewhere I forget this game. Saud should inject some interest into it.

[Fuscosco]

IL should be town. I dont think Volx makes good scum who can hide from me.

iirc I was SRing RedPanda, PP, Raya, and had Duppin as the possible scum in the party. But Ive been having an increasingly stale TR on Edgar Allen Foe.

iirc

[Fuscosco]

Ill just have to look once my hangover passes.

[Fuscosco]

OH RIGHT THAT CRAP-OLA BAEZU/PERCY LYNCH

[Fuscosco]

UGH you guys are the worst for doing the low-hanging least resistance thing.

[Fuscosco]

Ive got bones to pick with you guys

[Fuscosco]

I personally unvoted HK, but calling people out for lynching them after they gave up and created a shit ton of WIFOM

S H A M E

[Fuscosco]

Ill just have to look once my hangover passes.

[Fuscosco]

But apparently you did have a look since you decided to call people out for voting on HK

Oh I called that out yesterday.

It was awful and you all should royally feel bad.

[Fuscosco]

Edgar Allan Foe The Renais Twins
Titus
Hell Knight (Persivul and Baezu)
Fuscosco
PenguinPower
RedPanda Bittersweet
the worst Raya36 Schiavetto
duppin Gamma Emerald
Inbred Lannisters (volxen, Auro, Nancy Drew 39) Michael Scott
CheekyTeeky Mary Saotome
Yumeko Jabami
Kirari Momobami
Uncle Bob
Skygazer

[Fuscosco]

Good lord I forgot about the draft feature!

YoY

[Fuscosco]

Anyway the part lists are interesting.

We forced through this party at the last minute; it was constructed with less than a day to the deadline, which itself was extended. I feel fairly good about this grouping being town, and dont feel a real need to add to it.

HEAL: Nobody

I also feel that because of all the competing and contradictory strats people forwarded we dont have a good leg to stand on wrt the party voting.

[Fuscosco]

It was awful and you all should royally feel bad.

Reminder that the HK lynch was turds seasoned with ground up rat flesh

[Fuscosco]

VOTE: yumeko

I felt good when we were all here. Lets start here again.

[Fuscosco]

Also want to take a Penguin head today

[Fuscosco]

VOTE: HK

This slot 100% needs to be lynched today.

I cant hear you over the sounds of your suck

[Fuscosco]

so I'd love to hear if you don't think that is the case

To briefly get into this:

- Bae was town via a sample of their meta
- Percy is not shit at scum, even with his minimal presence Id expect more from him
- The outing of bae by percy publicly was not the most tactful, but it was TvT as sin if you pretend they are different slots sharing a hood.
- Tonally they were town
- Their play was driven by town motives and it showed
- Scum me would have jumped at the chance to hard-defend them they were so painfully town and so painfully undefended
- They werent voted before the party got together, a red flag that nobody picked up on
- yumeko was, and the votes on them from people like PP melted away when the real threat came (we

couldn't

lynch them before that)

[Fuscosco]

We hit Yumi today, PP tomorrow.

[Fuscosco]

Im not interested in a long fight about HK, as I said previously, Id have PLed them on principle if we were doing that - but we werent.

[Fuscosco]

1:

HARD DEFEND

2: because it wasnt for realsies and scum could and because if we pretend the wagon was real in any other game we'd be shitting bricks at its deconstruction. Say we wouldnt so I can yell some more about bad reads.
3: PP is an independent read but is supported by associations I cant be asked to remember because I havent been taking notes. Most of my scumreads tend to be independent.

[Fuscosco]

This is a burner alt and I intend to out myself at the end of the game; but I'm not exactly sure why you think you need to know now. If you have a legit reason, probably, it's fine but I've been enjoying the lack thereof of having to do things people expect of my style.

please dont. its a matter of principle to not bend to them. Out if and when you feel.

[Fuscosco]

In that scenario, scum sacks a single player to hit within the hood and then paranoia eats it from within

I think we cross that bridge when we come to it. no need to lynch within until we have a reason to.

[Fuscosco]

We're absolutely lynching Sky today.

Im okay with pressuring sky

I def remember sring them

[Fuscosco]

@cheeky wait where have we played before again

Too many to be bothered digging :/

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[Fuscosco]

im not fun? ):

wanna help me with your SRs? Together we can hit Panda or Yumi or someone. Your reads seem 'okay'