Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Rick Dalton]

Hello.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m Rick Dalton.

[Rick Dalton]

I reckon I need to catch up and glance over my lines.

I’ll be off book shortly. Anyone have any notes?

[Rick Dalton]

A lot of spiders do a similar thing.

[Rick Dalton]

A lot of spiders do a similar thing.

Your catch up was lacking in luster. Why is that?

Did I say I was planning on catching up?

[Rick Dalton]

I figured by direct interaction I’d eventually be able to piece things together.

I said Hello.

I announced my presence.

I got a Hi back. I’m not leaning left, right, up, down on anyone, but I’ve been keeping up since I replaced in. I think it’s fair to not totally have a grasp on this game thus far.

[Rick Dalton]

I also saw the setup, and having a difficult time grasping it.

I know the setups it is referring to, but that’s giving me pause.

[Rick Dalton]

I reckon I need to catch up and glance over my lines.

I’ll be off book shortly. Anyone have any notes?

I specifically said I reckon that I need to, not that I was going to. And this is still relevant, I am piecing things together, and seeing how things go prior to me getting into the mix. I also asked if anyone had anything, and got ignored, so I had to get a grasp on things to help when I look back.

I’m here now, ain’t i

[Rick Dalton]

By seeing what thoughts people give me and what notes, I am able to also gain an accurate read on them because I can see if I think their thought process is genuine or not

[Rick Dalton]

I reckon I need to catch up and glance over my lines.

I’ll be off book shortly. Anyone have any notes?

I specifically said I reckon that I need to, not that I was going to. And this is still relevant, I am piecing things together, and seeing how things go prior to me getting into the mix. I also asked if anyone had anything, and got ignored, so I had to get a grasp on things to help when I look back.

I’m here now, ain’t i

@fishy

[Rick Dalton]

I’ll check out the linked stuff

[Rick Dalton]

Why wouldn’t I put effort into it? If anything, in that scenario, I’d put far more effort.

I can’t speak for my predecessor’s play, but I’ll be here. Look, I’m already integrated into the game. I haven’t given opinions on past stuff, but I believe it’s obvious that I have every indication on attempting to solve this game. Maybe it will come in a rather unorthodox way, but I think it’s fair to assume I’m anything but orthodox.

So you’re scum casing me saying I came into a slot I can’t do anything with, so I actively chose not to do anything?

Does this seem like that matches who I am as a player at all? What’s the point of defending here if “I can’t do anything with the slot”?

[Rick Dalton]

I feel like watching a movie, so my activity will be lessened.

Noted.
-Kor

[Rick Dalton]

Why wouldn’t I put effort into it? If anything, in that scenario, I’d put far more effort.

I can’t speak for my predecessor’s play, but I’ll be here. Look, I’m already integrated into the game. I haven’t given opinions on past stuff, but I believe it’s obvious that I have every indication on attempting to solve this game. Maybe it will come in a rather unorthodox way, but I think it’s fair to assume I’m anything but orthodox.

So you’re scum casing me saying I came into a slot I can’t do anything with, so I actively chose not to do anything?

Does this seem like that matches who I am as a player at all? What’s the point of defending here if “I can’t do anything with the slot”?

I don't fucking know who you are.

This was a general thing (salutes) had nothing to do with anything else.

It was more of an obnoxious WIFOM point that i feel isn’t WIFOM, so I push it.

[Rick Dalton]

Fishy said scum wouldn’t put effort into reading the game, and I feel that’s not the case at all.

It was more commenting on why wouldn’t scum catch up on the game because I feel it’s much more likely for scum to catch up than town.

[Rick Dalton]

Speaking of Rick, all he's done so far is say that he reckons he'd catch up, but wont necessarily do it, and argue with fish semantics, and saying he'll do something, but not do anything in the end.

Yeah, I’m lazy town. At this point, there’s no reason for me, as scum, to not go and just catch up to please the masses.

I’m not too concerned with that at all.

[Rick Dalton]

I have a solid grasp on how this game has gone. When key factors need coming up, I’ll spot check, and eventually I’ll have the full game.

[Rick Dalton]

I town read Persivul’s sarcasm

[Rick Dalton]

And you can piece together the type of player I am strictly form this game, so it didn’t matter if you knew me beforehand.

You know me now.

[Rick Dalton]

It’s always a bad move for town to mislynch me.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m Rick Dalton, tv cowboy baddie. I’m the heavy.

[Rick Dalton]

Hey, Turkeylad, can we get your view on Rick Dalton’s method of catching up, as well as Drew’s read on you?

If

Dick

Rick plays like this on his normal account, he could be mislynched 100 times as town and I don't think I would ever say it was a bad move for the town to make. I think he is probably town for the reasons he actually stated. I also had a townread on Phil that I alluded to when I explained my initial thought on Thespio.

I think Drew's read on me actually reads town. I am such a sucker for emotion, but his crisis of conscious on all of his top scum reads is really hitting home to me. I am currently having one myself about The Fish and Drew.

This is likely a heavy discredit attempt on me to keep the position of me seeming like a useless townie, when in actuality, I’ve been showing up and commenting through me replacing in.

This is scummy. While I understand the “town reasoning” for saying it, it makes it all the more likely to come from scum. This entire post reeks of political positioning.

[Rick Dalton]

And from a relative newcomer entrance that I’ve made, it’s expected of scum not to see me as a threat, especially when they think they can just brush me off as the turkey did.

I assure you that will not go well for you.

[Rick Dalton]

Speaking of Rick, all he's done so far is say that he reckons he'd catch up, but wont necessarily do it, and argue with fish semantics, and saying he'll do something, but not do anything in the end.

I feel I’ve done a bit more than this, however on the top layer of things, I see what this is like. This is probably coming from town.

[Rick Dalton]

Speaking of Rick, all he's done so far is say that he reckons he'd catch up, but wont necessarily do it, and argue with fish semantics, and saying he'll do something, but not do anything in the end.

I feel I’ve done a bit more than this, however on the top layer of things, I see what this is like. This is probably coming from town.

Ah yeah you also gave a read on persivul.
I dont recall if that had happened when i made that post tho?

I don’t even remember making a post about Persivul

[Rick Dalton]

I town read Persivul’s sarcasm

Ah, i did.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m going to start keeping a list.

Spangled

Sakura
Persivul

Gamma Emerald
Skygazer

Doctor Drew
James Braffin
Chemist1422

Formerfish

gobbledygook

[Rick Dalton]

No, you’re hiding behind what is seemingly a policy lynch mentality now, and trying to hide behind that.
There’s also nothing wrong with being specific. This is Mafia; you’re allowed to have mental semantic throw downs.

Spangled

Sakura
Persivul

Gamma Emerald

Doctor Drew
James Braffin
Chemist1422

Formerfish

gobbledygook

[Rick Dalton]

I never said “no, I’m not gonna catch up.”

I am actively garnering reads from people’s reaction to me stating essentially “i will eventually catch up”.

Everyone else blew it out of proportion and I garnered a lot of reactions and a lot of statements and plays happened because of it.

I flat out

created

a scenario where we get a whole new event happening in this game and thrust myself directly into the game because of this.

Now, I am the focus of a happening in this game, that multiple people have commented on.

You’re reads, however, are incredibly political. You’re pushing it like I’ve been a dick about anything, when i’m merely playing the game. I have said nothing mean to anyone. I got specific in jest with Fishy boy, but that’s more gentle teasing than anything, whilst still getting reactions and opinions. I’ll let you know Fishy actually went up a tier on my list.

You’re pushing it like I’m playing like some despicable player who just isn’t going to play the game when that is incredibly far from the truth, and obviously so once you look at it past the surface level.

I have every intention to hard solve this game.

VOTE: Gobble

[Rick Dalton]

Nah, I started before you posted your thing.

[Rick Dalton]

Also, you say I’m the antagonistic one for no apparent reason, but I disagree.

I’ve merely only reacted towards people who came at me, including yourself, so that is you painting a picture of this game to fit your agenda.

[Rick Dalton]

If anything, I’m being protagonistic.

Your reads are political because your stating reads to make the gamestate happy with and being the “control type”. It protects you.

You specifically town reading me is a way of you to discredit me by saying I’m just “incorrect bad town”.

[Rick Dalton]

What even is "political reads"
Serious question, idk.

Reads for the sake of stating you have said reads to appease the fans.

[Rick Dalton]

1113 is me literally stating that i planned on catching up. It’s like a “hey, guys. Anyone have anything for me before I catch up?”

1147 is me explaining what i’ve Done this game, and me saying that I think it’s fair of me to wait. This is extremely calm, and actually a DEFENSE from someone being antagonistic to me.

1148 is literally me just saying I’m confused by the setup. How is that at all antagonistic?

The last one is me bringing up how I haven’t caught up yet, and the thing I asked for nobody gave to me, and had some of my tv cowboy roleplay in it, but for the most part I haven’t even been roleplaying.

So that entire post of yours is just fit in there to fit your agenda. The majority of that is defensive.

[Rick Dalton]

You’ve twisted all my posts to fit the way you are trying to push me, but it’s completely infactual. All those posts were me responding to someone else completely nullifying everything you’ve said, and proving your reads as political.

[Rick Dalton]

It’s not any specific read, it’s the combined nature of reads mixed in with gamestate.

I don’t actually fault you for not understanding it, because a lot of times it’s a subconscious thing.

Rick Dalton’s not actually supposed to be secret.

[Rick Dalton]

Rick. From what i remember I wasn’t the only player to feel like you were being a smart ass with your Reckon shit.

Well, that I don’t disagree with, but I’m just a sassy bitch, so I don’t have anything to say about that. It works better when I got some clout.

But to say I was antagonistic is just false. I was reactionary defensive; PROTAGONISTIC!

[Rick Dalton]

I really don’t know what got into me. I try not to curse but Rick literally triggered something fierce in me. Good night.

Because I correctly called you out as scum? (See, here’s the sassiness, but also, you can call this one antagonistic)

[Rick Dalton]

Does anyone else wanna talk to Big Bad Dalton

[Rick Dalton]

It’s Day 2, and I’ve only been pushing you for like an hour. How is it a tunnel at all?

I’m not expecting to be completely solid with my reads at this point, but from where I’m at that’s what it’s looking like, and your complete dismissal does nothing to make me think otherwise.

[Rick Dalton]

Have I even talked to Spangle?

[Rick Dalton]

Also, you can’t say something like that, be completely far off, and just expect someone to not come in and call you out on it. You just can’t.

That’s another scummy dismissal by you.

[Rick Dalton]

I would but it’s like 1 in the morning here and I’m tired.
That being said, I’ll prob have some comments/questions/concerns when I reread tomorrow. Something about this exchange is seriously pinging me, almost as much as Drew.
Also HOLY COW THE THREAD IS CLOGGED

Pinged me too.

I got misrepped so hard, and he got upset when I called him out for it.

[Rick Dalton]

I’d like to also point out...

The “reckon” word choice is completely role play word choice. I’m also actively trying to speak in a different way, but it’s not actually coming as naturally as I had hoped for. I naturally speak with such vernacular that I can’t really be a silly, tv cowboy from Missouri.

[Rick Dalton]

@Spangled - Idk, I just feel pretty good about Sakura in this game. She’s been helpful, not coming at me. I believe she’d be able to pocket me, but I have no actual longings towards her which feels good.

Honestly, I don’t know how I feel about DD, there’s WIFOM cases everywhere, and I have a lot going on, and my own thing to deal with right now, but I’ll bring it up when I have opinions on it.

[Rick Dalton]

Fish is just hard pinging me, but the fact he’s so low actually makes me kind of think he’s town, if that makes sense.

He pings me and I think he’s scummy but because of that, I think he’s town.

[Rick Dalton]

But the pings still warrant him being low, but there’s a reason i didn’t vote him or ever really push him. I conversed withhom a bit, and was called out for being antagonistic reactively.

[Rick Dalton]

Sakura’s gonna hard pocket me.

[Rick Dalton]

I believe I said I don’t completely think you are scum.

And I’m quite adept; I’ve pieced together a lot of the happenings in this game, while not really reading every little detail. Helps me organically come to inclusion.

And I also quite enjoy you, Fish.

[Rick Dalton]

[Rick Dalton]

This is definitely a character account, but I reckon it’ll take some time for this one to really...get my lines down.

[Rick Dalton]

There’s been some key words, specifically in my go around rodeo with the Turkey that I was specifically tying not to say, but when the kitchen gets hot, you know it’s cuz I’m cookin

[Rick Dalton]

A tidbit from a tv cowboy, I think Fish, Sakura, and Rick Dalton’s the most dangerous townblock this side of the Mississippi.

Now, if we could only figure out if Persivul’s with us, I think this game could likely be in the bag.

[Rick Dalton]

Fish is just hard pinging me, but the fact he’s so low actually makes me kind of think he’s town, if that makes sense.

He pings me and I think he’s scummy but because of that, I think he’s town.

This makes me feel like we have history together, would that be a fair assumption?

We got more than history, babe

[Rick Dalton]

I could star in an upcoming Western as the young hotshot who grew up to be the sheriff, and you can be the retired sheriff, but the old dog’s still got some tricks up his sleeve.

[Rick Dalton]

If y’all figure it out, try not to out. Being hidden also forces me not to use meta for my reasonings, and I very much like not having to use meta. Self or Others, offensively and defensively.

[Rick Dalton]

And I also quite enjoy you, Fish.

Mahi tacos at this one place in Charlotte is my favorite way to enjoy fish, how about you?

Can’t say I’ve ever been to Charlotte. How’s the flavor of the fishies out there? I hear it’s much more fresh than here in Hollywood.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m going to stay secret, but I can’t imagine that it’s not going to get figured out.

I actually read it in my head as a cowboy voice as well while typing it out.

[Rick Dalton]

Well, we sure got some kind of foray coming our way, that’s for sure. Won’t be the first time either.

[Rick Dalton]

*puts out cigarette*

[Rick Dalton]

Spangled

Sakura
Formerfish

Chemist
Persivul
Skygazer

Doctor Drew
James Braffin

Gamma Emerald

gobbledygook

[Rick Dalton]

So you could say that was something of a strong statement like post by me, ain’t it?

[Rick Dalton]

I simply just started piecing together more of the game, I felt a general town connection between the three of us, which inadvertently changes things around

[Rick Dalton]

I simply just started piecing together more of the game, I felt a general town connection between the three of us, which inadvertently changes things around

You didnt have a sky read on the first one and then had one on your second list. Has she posted between your first list and your second?

I don’t actually recall not having her in the first, but if I didn’t, it’s because I forgot about her, and fixed my mistake.

[Rick Dalton]

Rick, why is Chem where he is, and whats your read on gob in 3 lines or less?

Chem with that tracker business you guys mentioned brought him up for me. I don’t think he fakes that.

Spangled’S IC, so she’s everyone’s town block.

Gob misrepped, and had a bunch of political reads. He went after me and painted me like I was being antagonistic when I was simply reacting.

[Rick Dalton]

Maybe drew’s a partner

[Rick Dalton]

Or trying to go against the grain for town cred if Drew flips town.

[Rick Dalton]

oh dear lord what happened

Rick Dalton, how do you do?

[Rick Dalton]

hi rick

would you say im more likely or less likely to ID you here?

About as likely.

[Rick Dalton]

I could go for a Drew/Gob team.

[Rick Dalton]

Drew, Gob

Then the last one is Gamma, Persivul, or Brafin.

Skygazer’s entrance just gut pings me as town.

[Rick Dalton]

been enjoying showbusiness lately rick?

i should probably do some re-sorting now since im still awake

Yes, ma’am.

[Rick Dalton]

Game state dictates I was wrong to have Persivul so high. Me putting Chemist and FF higher brought Persivul a little down is all

[Rick Dalton]

I haven’t talked with Chemist really head on. I’d be taking it at face value in that case.

[Rick Dalton]

Add Sakura into there for being the one who went nowhere. Doesn’t confirm, but I like to think it’s pretty townie.

Skygazer has gained a little scum equity, tbh, but I generally want to town read her. This line right here’s enough to pressure.

FF essentially is the person who gave me momentum, so if he’s scum, lol.

[Rick Dalton]

It’s gobble, James, and Persivul

[Rick Dalton]

I got there based off VCA, and Persivul voting James is probably a lightweight bus vote.

[Rick Dalton]

Thespio wagon trajectory is pretty telling

[Rick Dalton]

I’m not sure how I feel about Rick. I need to get to a computer and reread this entire day.
Still think there’s scum in Drew/Gob, though I have a hard time believing they’re a scumteam.
Pers I’ve been kinda ignoring. He strikes me as the kind of guy who just screws around as either alignment. I need to ISO him though.

Bus a buddy, vote a townie; Classic.

[Rick Dalton]

One of James/Sky is likely scum

[Rick Dalton]

I didn’t get a free pass, I did work and tried to solve, whilst giving good insight.

[Rick Dalton]

I am curious why Rick feels so strongly about Sky. She’s one of my stronger townreads.

I don’t believe I’be ever pushed any kind of strong read on Sky.

If anything, it’s the opposite, as she’s been fluctuating left and right, up and down.

[Rick Dalton]

Also @Korina - i don’t watch movies, i live them.

[Rick Dalton]

Just because it’s a read, doesn’t mean it’s right. That’s just what I thought in the moment.

[Rick Dalton]

Drew, Gob

Then the last one is Gamma, Persivul, or Brafin.

Skygazer’s entrance just gut pings me as town.

Still think semi correct in here.


I’ve been slacking. I’ll be coming round soon.

[Rick Dalton]

How does Drew self resolve?

[Rick Dalton]

Doctor claiming doctor

[Rick Dalton]

The name Cliff Booth has been taken, but I can’t message them, so I guess that means they haven’t activated the account

[Rick Dalton]

Doctor claiming doctor

No thoughts on any of this?

I’ve already said I think Gobb/doc is scum.

I still agree with my town block. Persivul can even step back in to sample the party.

[Rick Dalton]

He’s in the town block

[Rick Dalton]

UNVOTE: gob

Hmm

[Rick Dalton]

Is there SK potential there?

[Rick Dalton]

So we’re just claiming PGO/Vengeful whether we are or not?

I’m not.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m SK and I shit Implosion, Scum shot me and i lost my BP. Persivul is scum for going hard at this and not scumhunting else where i think my analysis still checks out for {JB, Fish, Persivul} with outside chance of Drew. I am happy to shoot them dead for town and then get strung myself.

Discuss.

Hey I was right.

VOTE: Gobb

[Rick Dalton]

I’m SK and I shit Implosion, Scum shot me and i lost my BP. Persivul is scum for going hard at this and not scumhunting else where i think my analysis still checks out for {JB, Fish, Persivul} with outside chance of Drew. I am happy to shoot them dead for town and then get strung myself.

Discuss.

I actually think this is true, but I think it’s still best to go Gobb first.

Gobb could actually just be mafia here trying to get another day.

[Rick Dalton]

Yeah we have 3 groupscum and I'm upset y'all haven't read the setup

Who made the comment about it? I can see them being the ones to be scum.

I’m VT, fwiw.

[Rick Dalton]

Spangled the Innocent Child
Gamma Emerald
Sakura Hana


Skygazer
James Braffin
Persivul
Chemist1422
Formerfish

So 3 scum in here, GE?

I think Formerfish is town.


I’m actually not entirely sure how the setup works, tbh. A lot of numbers.

[Rick Dalton]

I’s Skygazer, Persivul, James.

[Rick Dalton]

Spangled the Innocent Child
Gamma Emerald
Sakura Hana


Skygazer
James Braffin
Persivul
Chemist1422
Formerfish

So 3 scum in here, GE?

I think Formerfish is town.


I’m actually not entirely sure how the setup works, tbh. A lot of numbers.

Wait, why are we townblocking Sakura?
And why aren’t you townblocking Chemist with that claim?

I thought Gamma cleared Sakura?

And if you look at my other post, it shows that I don’t think it’s Chemist.

[Rick Dalton]

Yeah, I kept trying to comprehend Tailor and really didn’t want to think about it. :/

[Rick Dalton]

Well

VOTE: James

I say we lynch this. If it’s scum, Sakura’s probably town

[Rick Dalton]

Guys, I have no clue

[Rick Dalton]

I don’t think it’s skygazer. I’ll try and be around throughout the day.

[Rick Dalton]

I think I said I think it’s A50 a while back. This tv cowboy had a saloon shootout to shoot.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m not getting into that tailor business. I don’t think it happened. That’s what got me all confused and I went away for a bit in the first place.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: A50

[Rick Dalton]

I’m town, so is Fishy.

If Skygazer says she has an ID on me, she should be voting A50.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m town, so is Fishy.

If Skygazer says she has an ID on me, she should be voting A50.

Bro, get caught up, a50 hammered me and we are just waiting on the mod.

It's a50 and sky

Is that game over?

Because yeah, it’s one hundred A50/Sky.

Sky scum slipped last page anyways

[Rick Dalton]

Is that game?

[Rick Dalton]

Former wouldn’t have gotten that close if it were me.

Stick to the town block, Sakura. It’s accurate.

[Rick Dalton]

I’d say just hammer

[Rick Dalton]

I’m leaning Skygazer.

I don’t think A50-FF were scum/scum.

I don’t want to think about Sakura tailored.

[Rick Dalton]

Well, I have yet to read a thing., so a brief description of the game status would be much appreciated. Else, I'll be catching up later tonight.

I'm a 1-shot Tracker
Sakura is cleared by both me and the flipped cop but has a small chance of being tailored
Spangled is an IC

FF and Rick are higher townreads, leaving you and Sky in the primary PoE

Chem could have died because of this post.

If sky is scum she would have to kill one of me or Chem because we were both coming after her and a50 hard yesterday. If she kills outside of us then we both come after her again today and now we probably have rick with us as well and then the game is over.

Sky kills chem and not me because chem was cleared. Hana doesnt die because sky wants the wifom around the clear and the tailor to be out there. Rick doesnt die because hes too far down the list and spang is a live because he is rudderless at the moment.

The fish is right. This is likely why Chemist died. It was obscure enough to.

The only reason FF could be scum is if Formerfish was going down, and they decided to give up Almost50 instead because he’s tailor. Tailor flip puts Sakura back on the table.

[Rick Dalton]

Also, Skygazer is scum because she said she had an ID on me, yet was defending A50 when I was going after him

[Rick Dalton]

I’m also not active enough for Fish to gain much merit from being paired to me like this, which FF-Myself Can’t be a possible team anymore, right?

[Rick Dalton]

Unless Sakura was Tailored, Skygazer —> FF ends this game.

Honestly, I don’t want to get into that WIFOM, even though I think there’s a chance that it happened, but that’s paranoia.

I don’t see why scum wouldn’t try harder to protect A50 there, though.

[Rick Dalton]

@Fish - dw I do believe you are town. I’m pretty sure this game ends with Sky.

[Rick Dalton]

Thespio (4, L-3!): Jackall711, Persivul, Dry-fit, James Brafin

Dry is gobbledygook and jackal is FF.

This isn’t all scum, Fish is town.

Also, I’d like to point out my slot wasn’t on Thespio Day 1, which flipped town, I was a main pusher of Gobb, I helped push James, and I was pushing A50...so yeah. I’ve actively pushed every scum in this game thus far, and didn’t kill town.

[Rick Dalton]

FF also doesn’t gain much by going heavy on Sky because then he just loses tomorrow.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Skygazer

[Rick Dalton]

Maybe I’m just hard pocketed but I’m just gonna trust in the early town block

[Rick Dalton]

Although, it’s gonna be so great if we end up in 3p lylo with Fish, Me, Sakura...the town block.

That ending alone makes it so Skygazer’s the right play, because of she’s scum, we win together.

[Rick Dalton]

I went back and looked at a lot of the vote counts, and Persivul likes to vote outside of where his scummates are voting, and that fits the bill with Skygazer/James/Persivul (A50)

[Rick Dalton]

oof, another self resolving claim. ok
VOTE: persivul

oof, another self resolving claim. ok

No, it doesn't self resolve, because now that he's claimed, he can just say that there were no extra kills due to the RB.

Also note that for an SK, a N1 no kill gambit (or being blocked) followed by a vig claim is an interesting gambit.

This isn’t what I feel is outside a scum theatre scum range, but I don’t think it is at all. I feel like Persivul is annoyed at Sakura going on him when Gobbledygook was going through.

Persivul had recently unvoted Gobb, in obvious White Knight fashion in hindsight, might I add, which means scum is already on the wagon.

Unfortunately, this is proven true, because all four of us alive were the wagon...

But yeah, Sakura is likely lock town for me, no tailor paranoia. Skygazer ends the game.

[Rick Dalton]

If Sky is town, y’all better kill Spangled. Imma be upset as hell if we had the opportunity to go to the epic 3p lylo and you bring a conf town over one of us.

[Rick Dalton]

I also feel kinda bad because me being Rick Dalton definitely added a WIFOM later to the scum team of them having to figure out more, in which they definitely did figure it out, I have no doubts about that, but I actively didn’t want that to be, but you can’t really hide from people who for fun figure out stuff like that anyways.

[Rick Dalton]

Layer*

[Rick Dalton]

fwiw rick i wasn't actively trying to ID you but certain factors tied you to your main in a way that i couldn't rlly ignore

I noticed them too. Real early.

I said freakin’ “whilst”

[Rick Dalton]

Y’all
Fishy
Pushing A50

[Rick Dalton]

I’s Skygazer, Persivul, James.

Why couldn’t this have just been right

[Rick Dalton]

I’ll probably just out, tbh. The Fish-Sakura-Dalton block earned it.

[Rick Dalton]

I just knew this playlist way too well across the board to stay super hidden.

[Rick Dalton]

It’s gobble, James, and Persivul

Damn, I’m good

[Rick Dalton]

I’m outing anyways. Y’all can guess whilst I sit here and eat these fruit snacks.

[Rick Dalton]

Yeah, I fell out of this game, but I couldn’t VLA.

It was rough because I really wanted to out who I was immediately because of familiarity

[Rick Dalton]

I’m still leaning Skygazer’s scum messing with us

[Rick Dalton]

I’s Skygazer, Persivul, James.

Why couldn’t this have just been right

I have faith in this, and I still strongly town read both Fish and Sakura.

[Rick Dalton]

Like, if you’re actually town, Sky, I have no clue which of them are scum. I’m like exactly 50/50

[Rick Dalton]

I agree with everything Sakura said, but I’ve just felt on the same page as Fish literally all game.

[Rick Dalton]

So is rick really

Spoiler:

Boon

?

Yeah.

[Rick Dalton]

I understand how that brings my scum equity was higher.

But I feel me vs A50 was pretty telling of it being TvS.

[Rick Dalton]

now i wish i hadn't known...

Oh, definitely. Now you see the scope of this epic 3p lylo.

The thing is, I know one of you guys are faking acting like you didn’t know it was me.

[Rick Dalton]

Oh, this definitely looks like a good scum game of mine, I will give it that.

But it was just a great town game.

I actually believe whichever the scum of you within you two kill me tonight and leave it to Spangled

[Rick Dalton]

This lylo is gonna be rough.

Like I’m definitely leaning Sakura and have been over Fish all day, but I’m aware of how it could be so i’m Effectively 50/50, and if Sky is town, I definitely do want to take her thoughts on it, so

Yeah. This was a fantastic game, I hate it. :shrug:

Great playerlist. Good analysis, good play on both sides.

[Rick Dalton]

I actually believe whichever the scum of you within you two kill me tonight and leave it to Spangled

Scum would have to be suicidal to bring both me and spangled to 3p LyLo.

If you’re scum, that’s a good play for you.

If Fish is scum, that’s a Hail Mary.

If I were scum, killing Fish screws me over.

[Rick Dalton]

To be fair, I don’t generally get to 3p lylo as scum ever. Very rarely, I can only remember it happening once.

And Gamma mislynched a role copped miller.

[Rick Dalton]

Yeah, if I were scum, I’d have been here by now. Just saying.

Also, I pm’d the mod to accelerate the night as soon as the vote count went up, so...one of you are lying about not accelerating the night, meaning scum wanted the time to make the decision.

[Rick Dalton]

I wouldn’t have spent the entirety of the time thinking of what to do, I’d spend the time, then say accelerate to lock it in so i don’t overthink.

[Rick Dalton]

Here's my conondrum:
In colors he was fairly inconsistent in the way he played and with his reads, he said that was a towntell for him, I agreed with that and immediately townread him, he kept mentioning "this is a towntell for me" "that's a towntell for me" and gloats about being able to magically solve the game near the end.
Here not only he's been super consistent but also the fact that he calls you/me a 50/50 bothers me if he was that good at solving the game he should have already figured out im not scum.
The other side of the conondrum is how much of that should i attribute to "alt playstyle".

To be fair, my scum game is me just trying to hard mimic town games of mine, and then i actively change my playstyle.

I had a hard never bus meta for like years, and then recently I just won a couple scum games by bussing.

I’m 7-1 this year as scum; this is not scum me.

Also, you said magically solve the game this game.

Haven’t I been a major factor of both flipped scum this game?

I think it’s fair of me to give pause to Fish not being scum potentially due to the A50/FF, because that’s what they meant to have happen if Fish is scum.

I’m probably going to end up trusting Sky here, tbh.

Fish seems like he’s playing a game plan of just forcing a 1v1 with me and getting you to vote me as his game plan.

The fact that I was 50/50 before night should show I’m town.

[Rick Dalton]

@Sakura - I also HARD saved Formerfish, and hard pushed A50 the day 50 was lynched.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Formerfish

[Rick Dalton]

You scum?

[Rick Dalton]

Awesome.

[Rick Dalton]

It’s effectively your choice now.

You’re conf town.

[Rick Dalton]

Good luck, Fish. The A50 tailor bus was strong. Stronger than the bussing you accuse me of.

[Rick Dalton]

@Sakura - think about any scum game I have. I never try to go to 3p lylo and I make the big plays to make sure the game is over before then.

There’s too much paranoia among me as a scum player to actively try to make a plan going to 3p lylo.

[Rick Dalton]

I mean, if I wanted to go off this game alone, scumMe never puts here.

I outed as Pretentious at end game when I was town too.

[Rick Dalton]

I just didn’t want the unfairness of people already knowing who I was to come out.

You feigned not knowing who i was hard yesterday because A50 definitely knew already.

[Rick Dalton]

I would vote me here in this situation tbh.

I very much see how much scum equity I have. It was a game well played, Fishy.

[Rick Dalton]

Well, no, it’s not that at all.

You’re just conf scum from my perspective because Sakura didn’t hammer you

[Rick Dalton]

I thought I did decently well at hiding, Skygazer was just currently modding a game with me in it and has been around me on site.

I guess maybe A50 didn’t know who I was

[Rick Dalton]

The difference here is, you’re explaining and saying things to me like you’re trying to convince me you’re town, whereas if you actually were town, you would know at this point I would just be scum thus your comments at me are forcing a 1v1 to even us out, and play on level ground.

Also, if I were scum and just not outed, Sakura would still likely have had trust in me.

[Rick Dalton]

I guess maybe A50 didn’t know who I was

Or he totes did because youre his partner?

Ah, I guess that slipped my mind because I’m just town.

This was a good play, though. I applaud your scum game.

[Rick Dalton]

Ok im still not feeling better but i guess it's better if i ask some questions.
@Fish: How come you didnt vote Rick earlier?
@Rick: How come you said yesterday it'd be a 50/50 between Fish/Me?
Seemed to me like everyone else in the game realized i was town except you 2.

@Rick: How were you unable to make up your mind between Gamma/James despite all the evidence i brought?
@Fish: How come when this day started it looked to me like you wanted me to look at Rick than trying to read me instead.

I really really really wanted Skygazer to be scum because I hard town read both of you. And ScumFish definitely was aware of how hard I town read him.

The new day comes in, scum have to change their position and game plan, which changes the game state.

It was 50:50 because I town read you guys both so much. My read on Fish changed based on today’s gamestate. My read on you didn’t change, which is why i took the leap of faith and voted Fish while you were here.

Well, I believe the Gamma/James happened when I was VLA on Flavor Leaf for personal stuff, so I wasn’t really in here too much, but I ended up on James.

Gamma and I just won a scum game together, Pokémon Fusion, if that helps in any form.

[Rick Dalton]

I mean i didnt lie when i said that i would not do a fake guilty gambit if i was being tailored, more so if i was suspecting i was being tailored.
I mentioned this at least twice this game, im not used to making self-town cases because ppl usually scum read me more from them but, it was a valid point that it seems both of you ignored.

I believed this :shrug: maybe that was naive.

A50 died over Formerfish so the tailor would flip and allow Fish to skate by with Sakura paranoia, which definitely helped yesterday.

Here it gave the option of Fish needed it to push for Sakura, but it wasn’t necessary.

Also, it’s not a possibility Sakura was tailored because she’s conftown for lack of hammer.

[Rick Dalton]

This is a rough 3p lylo. I don’t envy your spot at all, Sakura.

[Rick Dalton]

Also, it’s not a possibility Sakura was tailored because she’s conftown for lack of hammer.

Which is a conclusion I came to before seeing her not hammer on me.

I don’t believe I should have came to that conclusion.

I had my gut feeling she was town, and I rolled the dice with my vote on you.

It’s not natural for town to come to that conclusion earlier. The paranoia should have been there up until the hammer, even if it was slight.

[Rick Dalton]

I honestly have no clue what your guys’ claims are anymore tbh.

[Rick Dalton]

CopGamma cleared Hana. Thats the pr im trusting.

Oh, right.

But there was a tailor, that’s not trustable.

That’s just you trying to get on Sakura’s good side

[Rick Dalton]

Honestly im still thinking it's fish.
Like i feel like if Rick's scum he's played well enough to deceive me and deserve the win.
I'll let you guys discuss a bit more and try to change my mind tho.
I'm in no rush, and i rather do this when im not feeling moody.

I’m just in reactive mode to him, tbh.

He’ll keep trying to wiggle his way into coming up with some scum case for me, but I’m just town.

[Rick Dalton]

If you feel that way, just go ahead and vote me. Im not sure what else you are going to see from me and rick stabbing each other thats going to change your mind.

Damn, i respect your boldness.

[Rick Dalton]

But there was a tailor, that’s not trustable.

Or im taking the same leap of faith you talked about taking and decided to trust that the clear was legit, you are the one who keeps trying to bring up how the clear is not a clear.

From your perspective, it shouldn’t be a leap of faith at this point, though.

[Rick Dalton]

Boon keeps mentioning that i should be more weary of your clear because of the tailor.

Key word was should have been more weary.

Not weary now. There is no leap of faith now.

Sakura is town, full stop.

[Rick Dalton]

You came out today setting the gamestate up to 1v1 me.

Your words weren’t 100% there, but that’s what you were subtly pushing for, but you kept the door open for Sakura in case I pushed there, but your main plan was to go after me.

[Rick Dalton]

I think that he knows that the clear on Hana is legit and has been making sure that it comes into as much question as possible so my paranoia starts thinking that its a false positive from the tailor.

This required me to have pushed Sakura at all today, which is something I didn’t do.

But yeah, I believe we’ve both said our pieces. It’s just gonna be circular debate.

[Rick Dalton]

This required me to have pushed Sakura at all today, which is something I didn’t do.

Just like scum to push the narrative while never buying into it themselves.

"Come on guys tailor! But i think shes town."

Why is it bad to have that paranoia?

I never actively pushed Sakura and even made the comment of not wanting to even think about the tailor possibility at one point.

I think it’s valid of me to have had paranoia on the town block, because look where we’re at now.

[Rick Dalton]

Spangled the Innocent Child
Gamma Emerald
Sakura Hana


Skygazer
James Braffin
Persivul
Chemist1422
Formerfish

So 3 scum in here, GE?

I think Formerfish is town.


I’m actually not entirely sure how the setup works, tbh. A lot of numbers.

I did this in a recent game, and had my 3 of 5 correct, except I town read one of the 5 incorrectly.

[Rick Dalton]

Spoiler:

Yeah, I kept trying to comprehend Tailor and really didn’t want to think about it. :/

Well

VOTE: James

I say we lynch this. If it’s scum, Sakura’s probably town

I don’t think it’s skygazer. I’ll try and be around throughout the day.

I think I said I think it’s A50 a while back. This tv cowboy had a saloon shootout to shoot.

I’m not getting into that tailor business. I don’t think it happened. That’s what got me all confused and I went away for a bit in the first place.

VOTE: A50

I’m leaning Skygazer.

I don’t think A50-FF were scum/scum.

I don’t want to think about Sakura tailored.

@Sakura - read this trajectory of my ISO.

[Rick Dalton]

Scum wanted us to think about the tailor because it left you open. I was actively trying not to think about it, and just ignore it, but it was hard to because it was being put out there.

[Rick Dalton]

like how was it not clear this is my town game orz

It was clear. I’ve town read you essentially all game, I just had some occasional paranoia spikes.

And even then, I still town read you. The only reason it was 50/50 was because I also town read Fish, so i knew one of them was wrong, so I had to accept I had an incorrect read on one of you, but i still town read you, even if I thought it was possible it as incorrect.

Does that make sense?

[Rick Dalton]

None.
If I ever thought you were possible scum, it was me thinking that whilst simultaneously town reading you.

I town read FF too, but I know he’s scum.

I once town read Flubber correctly BECAUSE I was thinking him as possible scum because I always town read Flubber when he was scum, so the fact that I didn’t town read Flubber meant he was town.

[Rick Dalton]

And then I forked Bins.

Outta nowhere

[Rick Dalton]

Take a leap of faith with me.

[Rick Dalton]

i dont really care about your accomplishments, you gloated a lot about them in colors.

It’s more giving my mindset alongside strong plays I’m proud of.

[Rick Dalton]

Sky also trusted you over FF.

Take the leap of faith with Sky and I.

[Rick Dalton]

See, me outing as Flavor definitely hurt my chances if I were scum, because I feel that tidbit of knowledge is why it’s still hard to trust 3 lines of reasoning whereas just Rick, you trusted.

[Rick Dalton]

I know this is in my hands, but I have a hard time making a choice.
I'm trusting your dying words, spangled, sky.
VOTE: FF
I will 100% take the blame if this is incorrect.

We did it. I’m town.

[Rick Dalton]

You wouldn’t need to take any blame if you were wrong. It was a hard 3p lylo. Fish played it well.

[Rick Dalton]

I DID IT!

YOU DID IT!!!!!!!!