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+1 on this.In post 244, Chemist1422 wrote:I don't think Thespio's ISO justifies this flash wagon
It's not good but nothing worse than nullscum on their last post
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I think town should pressure people to reveal their worldview and how it's applied to the game, though; scum have a drastically different view to the game than town but they won't show that unless you make them.In post 236, James Brafin wrote:
Fair enough.In post 235, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don't understand why evidence has to be presented to indicate such things. Right now if you want to call that approach scummy then the burden if proof is on you. Because Drew is right: if you want to assert it isn't a town mindset you must assert it is a scum mindset, there is no other option.In post 228, James Brafin wrote:Didn't say it did. I'm asking a question. Is there any way that it comes from a town mindset? How is this a town-aligned way to approach the game?
I guess the way I see it, town is't looking to make other players slip up. Town is looking to see if scum slips up. conversely, scum wants to get another player to slip up so they can then argue for scum!player.
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Aye, if they don't follow up on it then scumread them, but for now I'm pretty sure it's NAI.In post 263, Chemist1422 wrote:
I could see it in that manner but imo it could just as easily be a setup for questioning, only reason to think it wasn't is that there was no followup but they haven't posted since then.In post 262, James Brafin wrote:
I believe that to a number of people (including me) this was an attempt at shade and to create a reason to get on this wagon, which was the leading wagon but had very little foundation.In post 151, Thespio wrote:So Phillammom, you seem odd... your ISO isnt the best-
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What about them "strikes you"?In post 154, Phillammon wrote:Thespio, howso?
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So, Sakura, no read on me yet?In post 293, Sakura Hana wrote:I always share reads as I get them, if i havent shared any reads on someone either i dont have any or they werent that memorable.
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What did you find scummy about their earliest posts; which ones in particular did you dislike?In post 292, Phillammon wrote:No. I'd rather you share any reads that have developed naturally, and I think that the fact you haven't developed, or at least shared, reads on several players really weird, particularly given your calls for noise. Persivul in particular is conspicuous in their absence* from your ISO, for example. (Which reminds me, haven't shared my feelings on them yet- was looking a bit scummy, but 214 forward give a really townish impression)
*well. aside from quoting one line of theirs in relation to thespio-
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Aye, and toxicity (much less intentional toxicity) is not really the way to get engage with a game,In post 297, Phillammon wrote:Honestly the entire clumsy "baiting" thing with James rubbed me the wrong way. I get why trying to elicit an emotional response is useful for scumhunting, but it was... almost performatively transparent.-
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Expand on your thoughts on 201, please — I just felt like that was someone doing a meta-read on someone else.In post 296, Phillammon wrote:199 through 201 and to a lesser extent 58, though on reflection I may just be disliking the former because they're pointed at me and I feel they're unfair. 199 I responded to as such at the time.-
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Why not?In post 332, Elastic Plastic wrote:I don't really like Chem's unvote the more I think about it.-
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Methinkst the fish is town, even though I cannot fully understand his reads.In post 477, Elastic Plastic wrote:Huzzah! The fish is town!-
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What do you mean by 'the self-awareness'?In post 489, Phillammon wrote:
(Disliking the self-awareness in the wall but liking the insights, probably town but *really* unpleasant. Going over implo in particular in more detail may be worthwhile, hadn't given much thought to that one)In post 376, Formerfish wrote:
Why is Hana scumlean for you? And you voted JB after you did the meta search which led you to a null read on him?In post 45, Phillammon wrote:Sakura leaning scum, you leaning town, brafin was leaning scum til I did a meta search at which point it became "null but learn more"
Why vote JB a meta null read, over Hana a scumlean for you?
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If Pers and Imps were scum together, why wouldn’t Pers just tell him in their PT?In post 513, Formerfish wrote:
Can't vote the IC, even though he started to push there, but was stopped by Pers (I think this ties Pers to Imp a little. Like if Imp flips scum then Pers could be his buddy telling him to shut the fuck up about the IC being scum).In post 508, Formerfish wrote: Unless...
Unless you are thinking about Imp here and got the names messed up? Cause if that was the case I could understand after seeing Imps iso and these:-
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I am bad at forming scumreads, above all — but right now, Chemist feels a bit sketchy to me; if I looked through his ISO I don’t think I’d find a single helpful post. Doctor Drew I’d have to go back and look at, I think.In post 605, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Who is your scumpool rn?In post 590, Spangled wrote:Ah. Whoops.
After this enormous thread-battle, implosion, Phil, Pers and FF are feeling town to me.
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Like I said, probably you.In post 633, implosion wrote:I don’t think anyone is advocating to lynch formerfish?-
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EBWOP: who is going to get lynched out of the two of you.In post 634, Spangled wrote:
Like I said, probably you.In post 633, implosion wrote:I don’t think anyone is advocating to lynch formerfish?
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Yes, the worst really has to get posting. Super scummy at the momentIn post 637, Formerfish wrote:And not the bottom 6 like total, like the people who are still in this game but haven't posted on 10hrs or more.-
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Mostly mind meld; I can see where he’s coming from in this battle, and he’s had a few really quite good posts, whereas FF has just had a stream of fairly good ones.In post 644, Gamma Emerald wrote:
WhyIn post 635, Spangled wrote:
EBWOP: who is going to get lynched out of the two of you.In post 634, Spangled wrote:
Like I said, probably you.In post 633, implosion wrote:I don’t think anyone is advocating to lynch formerfish?
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But see, he hasn't even SRed the Fish. He's just said that Fish can't be townlocked based on his towny catchup.In post 782, James Brafin wrote:
Imply is pinging me hard. It feels like most of his reads so far have been based on the fact that “scum can fake this,” which is a BS reason to read anyone for anything. By that logic, scum can fake ANYTHING, and this whole game is pointless. But maybe I’m just oblivious. Also, the need for those people to validate his reads I don’t like. It feels LAMIST.
And the reason most of his conversation has been based around that is because that is what the discussion has been around: that is to say, the Fish's catchup and it's towniness (or relative lack thereof, from Imp's POV).
Additionally, scum can fake certain things - but not every thing. Imp has never said that scum can fake everything, just that the things the Fish has been doing have been fakeable by clever scum.
And asking for others to look at your reads is never LAMIST, nor should it be considered so. It is trying to make discussion over things - that is to say, what town should do.
(All this defence is what I meant when I said I felt some mindmeld with Imp - I've understood where he's been coming from on pretty much all quarters).-
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What are you trying to achieve with this post?In post 792, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Then your phone is shittyIn post 776, Thespio wrote:
Sorry been on mobile, hard to track two games at the same time!In post 759, Formerfish wrote:Thespio?
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As town, it depends what kind of tunneling you're talking about - blind tunneling, or backed-up tunneling. One is good, the other is not. I'll leave you to decide which is which.In post 824, James Brafin wrote: @All: Do you think tunneling is effective as town or scum, and why/why not?
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Of course not.In post 821, Sakura Hana wrote:I mean doesnt that imply you think they are both scum or am i missing something.
It's just forming associative reads - saying that if one is scum then the other probably is doesn't necessarily mean you think they're scum.-
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I think you might be tunneling Phil a little bitIn post 828, Formerfish wrote: People who accuse me of tunneling have a high tendency to flip scum, and tunnel is the popterm they use to discredit my read.-
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As opposed to you, perhaps.In post 841, Sakura Hana wrote:You know. Drew's making good points.
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@JamesIn post 834, Spangled wrote:
But see, he hasn't even SRed the Fish. He's just said that Fish can't be townlocked based on his towny catchup.In post 782, James Brafin wrote:
Imply is pinging me hard. It feels like most of his reads so far have been based on the fact that “scum can fake this,” which is a BS reason to read anyone for anything. By that logic, scum can fake ANYTHING, and this whole game is pointless. But maybe I’m just oblivious. Also, the need for those people to validate his reads I don’t like. It feels LAMIST.
And the reason most of his conversation has been based around that is because that is what the discussion has been around: that is to say, the Fish's catchup and it's towniness (or relative lack thereof, from Imp's POV).
Additionally, scum can fake certain things - but not every thing. Imp has never said that scum can fake everything, just that the things the Fish has been doing have been fakeable by clever scum.
And asking for others to look at your reads is never LAMIST, nor should it be considered so. It is trying to make discussion over things - that is to say, what town should do.
(All this defence is what I meant when I said I felt some mindmeld with Imp - I've understood where he's been coming from on pretty much all quarters).-
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Fair enough.In post 846, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh also spangled, I dont think i make good points, I just read people.
Sorry for that, though — it was an unnecessarily insulting way to make a point.-
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I often feel I’m the opposite, to be honest.In post 847, Spangled wrote:
Fair enough.In post 846, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh also spangled, I dont think i make good points, I just read people.
Sorry for that, though — it was an unnecessarily insulting way to make a point.
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No, not on D1. Of course not.In post 933, Formerfish wrote:When is the right time to mass claim? When doing so gives us a mech lock on the game and what we are doesnt matter anymore.
We aren't there yet.
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Aye, and I have been pretty rubbish as conf!town goes.In post 1043, Sakura Hana wrote:In my experience ICs dont necessarily die N1, they do die at some point since scum needs to remove confirmed town anyway.
After thesp flipped town, your post sounded like TMIsh or like setting me up, that's why i went after you.
What is funny to me is that if Drew is scum, he didn’t kill one of the people most suspecting him (FF, for example).
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Aye; scum probably could have pushed for his lynch fairly easily; far as I remember only me and Phill were defending him...?In post 1049, Gamma Emerald wrote:Imp was widely scumread tho-
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Which on second thought probably means FF isn’t scum, on the face of it; if scum were other people it would have looked weird for them to suddenly push hard for his lynch.In post 1050, Spangled wrote:
Aye; scum probably could have pushed for his lynch fairly easily; far as I remember only me and Phill were defending him...?In post 1049, Gamma Emerald wrote:Imp was widely scumread tho
...But as FF said, there is such a thing as an agenda kill-
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You underestimate the power of a wagon’s momentum, FF.In post 1074, Formerfish wrote:
4 people had imp in their bottom quarter for reads.In post 1049, Gamma Emerald wrote:Imp was widely scumread tho
4 out of 13 saying he is scummy doesn't fit the definition I use for widely held beliefs.-
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Oh, yeah, I’m not saying you’re scum because of that kill.In post 1103, Formerfish wrote:
I'm going off the pushes I've made and the support I got for those pushes.In post 1102, Spangled wrote:
You underestimate the power of a wagon’s momentum, FF.In post 1074, Formerfish wrote:
4 people had imp in their bottom quarter for reads.In post 1049, Gamma Emerald wrote:Imp was widely scumread tho
4 out of 13 saying he is scummy doesn't fit the definition I use for widely held beliefs.
No one has given a single reason why I would kill Imp here, and it's pretty obvious as scum I wouldnt have killed him. I would have killed someone that I could swing heat onto, not bring it on myself.
And whatever momentum there was was from me and I didn't see anyone fucking vote tags up to settle beside me and push my push.
I’m just saying that Imp was mislynchable, and so the scumteam must have had an extra motive.
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I don’t know.In post 1105, James Brafin wrote:Spangled, what is YOUR opinion on all of this? As an IC you’re probably the only trustworthy person here.
I haven’t seen anything particularly scummy from anyone; I need to put some more effort into the game but it’s hard to get motivated when you know you’re not going to get mislynched, and that being the NK is only a matter of time.
I think I TL you and Gamma based on tone, and definitely TR FF.
Both Phill and the Turkey I need to look back at; I don’t know why he is being so heavily TRed, or why Phill was scumread.
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Do you still believe this Sakura?In post 843, Sakura Hana wrote:
I think the way gob is making reads comes from someone with inside information.In post 842, Spangled wrote:
As opposed to you, perhaps.In post 841, Sakura Hana wrote:You know. Drew's making good points.
Could you give us your viewpoint on Thespio, and on the Turkey.
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...You’re joking on the ‘his inner scummer wants out’ feeling ‘solid’, right? Personally, that’s a step too far for me in Mafia-related amateur psychoanalysis.In post 1133, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This feels solidIn post 1130, Formerfish wrote:
Could be that snakes are always equated with evil from the gardens of eden, to the pits of indiana jones pit nightmares. House of Slytheryn, Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Snake Pliskin. All bad people.In post 1127, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why do I distrust you identifying as a snake? I feel like Sue Hawk has messed with my brainIn post 1122, Doctor Drew wrote:Also, just like Fish and Turkey, everyone should have an animal to represent them in this game. Not sure why, but it makes me giggle every time I call Gob Turkey.
I call dibs on snake.
That is a good subconscious catch, like his inner scummer wants out.
VOTE: Dr. Drew
Also James I thought you were a goose. As for me I'd be a dragon!
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Well, there are things we’d like you to get a viewpoint on that aren’t someone else’s thoughts — hence, no notes.In post 1149, Rick Dalton wrote:
I specifically said I reckon that I need to, not that I was going to. And this is still relevant, I am piecing things together, and seeing how things go prior to me getting into the mix. I also asked if anyone had anything, and got ignored, so I had to get a grasp on things to help when I look back.In post 1113, Rick Dalton wrote:I reckon I need to catch up and glance over my lines.
I’ll be off book shortly. Anyone have any notes?
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Fair enough.In post 1151, Rick Dalton wrote:By seeing what thoughts people give me and what notes, I am able to also gain an accurate read on them because I can see if I think their thought process is genuine or not
Day 1: RVS shenanigans, Gamma gimmick posted a few times, FF battled implosion and Phillammon was also under suspicion (which seems to have vanished, but whatever), most of the town mislynched Thesp for a few bad posts and lurking, IIRC.
Day 2: implo died (very weird), Sakura sort-of-claimed a guilty, Drew sheeped the heck out of it while Gamma asked why, and then Sakura retracted the guilty.-
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Why is Drew feeling worse and worse here? Talk me through your read development here.In post 1174, James Brafin wrote:Ok, Doctor feels worse and worse here. So does Rick.
Liking Sakura more and more here. She's actively scumhunting with this gambit instead of letting it lie. Same with Formerfish.
The Turkey I'm not sure about. He pings me in a non-aggressive sort of way.
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In post 1236, Rick Dalton wrote:
This is likely a heavy discredit attempt on me to keep the position of me seeming like a useless townie, when in actuality, I’ve been showing up and commenting through me replacing in.In post 1224, gobbledygook wrote:
IfIn post 1181, Spangled wrote:Hey, Turkeylad, can we get your view on Rick Dalton’s method of catching up, as well as Drew’s read on you?DickRick plays like this on his normal account, he could be mislynched 100 times as town and I don't think I would ever say it was a bad move for the town to make. I think he is probably town for the reasons he actually stated. I also had a townread on Phil that I alluded to when I explained my initial thought on Thespio.
I think Drew's read on me actually reads town. I am such a sucker for emotion, but his crisis of conscious on all of his top scum reads is really hitting home to me. I am currently having one myself about The Fish and Drew.
This is scummy. While I understand the “town reasoning” for saying it, it makes it all the more likely to come from scum. This entire post reeks of political positioning.
Why FF so low?In post 1243, Rick Dalton wrote:I’m going to start keeping a list.
Why Sakura so high?
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What gives you that read on Gamma?In post 1225, gobbledygook wrote:Sakura town
Gamma probably town. To answer your earlier question Gamma, I only played a few games with Ranmaru.
I think Implosion might have been killed by a scum team that was mason hunting. It is possible they saw Implosion's strong defense of Phil as a mason defending his other mason.-
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Nah, I haven't played town well enough to be in such a wildly western townbloc as thisIn post 1336, Formerfish wrote:
Thats a good point, youd figure confirmed town would totes be in the town blocIn post 1333, Sakura Hana wrote:
Also, why isnt Spangled in this townbloc?In post 1295, Rick Dalton wrote:A tidbit from a tv cowboy, I think Fish, Sakura, and Rick Dalton’s the most dangerous townblock this side of the Mississippi.
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I do hope my User Control Panel hasn't been hacked; because that's the only was I'm a sheIn post 1341, Rick Dalton wrote:
Chem with that tracker business you guys mentioned brought him up for me. I don’t think he fakes that.In post 1339, Formerfish wrote:Rick, why is Chem where he is, and whats your read on gob in 3 lines or less?
Spangled’S IC, so she’s everyone’s town block.
Gob misrepped, and had a bunch of political reads. He went after me and painted me like I was being antagonistic when I was simply reacting.-
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EBWOPIn post 1356, Spangled wrote:
I do hope my User Control Panel hasn't been hacked; because that's the only way I'm a sheIn post 1341, Rick Dalton wrote:
Chem with that tracker business you guys mentioned brought him up for me. I don’t think he fakes that.In post 1339, Formerfish wrote:Rick, why is Chem where he is, and whats your read on gob in 3 lines or less?
Spangled’S IC, so she’s everyone’s town block.
Gob misrepped, and had a bunch of political reads. He went after me and painted me like I was being antagonistic when I was simply reacting.-
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Hey, Sky, mind throwing out some reads for us?In post 1350, Skygazer wrote:pagetop