Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[woodchuck321]

Hi

[woodchuck321]

ok someone catch me up what's going on

[woodchuck321]

well i'm going to UNVOTE: UNVOTE because idek what's going on

also sure let's see where VOTE: RooRoo gets us

[woodchuck321]

I don't want to vote with my main scumread. TSH is probably the black flag scum and bussing them is a fine idea. If that's the case, I'm pretty sure rooroo is town.

couldn't amrun, TSE, and rooroo all be scum together still?

seems like a pretty stupid strategy tho, "let's all push each other, they can't lynch *all* of us!"

[woodchuck321]

More jester stuff:

Spoiler:

If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

Huh?
But you didn’t even play if it’s scummy or not.
And WDYM Merit a Vote?
I haven’t voted anyone.
Are you saying that for someone not liking a thought I had and voting me is a good thing?
Maybe to get a clear read on me or get reaction sure.
But to scum read someone for it isn’t right, and you even said it’s early game and low content.
So you just straight out put a vote on me?
Seems to me like your just being opportunistic.

VOTE: Amrun

-TSE

I think TSE knows how mafia works to not make these posts as non-jester. It's such a stupid issue to focus on that draws attention to yourself.

I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

I'll just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in

Hot Take: Planned Via Scum Chat?

Planned via scum chat to say that exact same thing, in what way does this help scum? Another ridiculous take which is more jestery than anything.

Let's do something

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Starting with the guy who could have moved his vote already but didn't

Well technically I could have too.
But I get your vote there.

Pointing out something he did could be scummy. This is a pretty good one.

okay

VOTE: TSH

choo choo more TSH votes

Not attempting to really defend himself. He doesn't really care about being lynched.

So TSH is black flag, rb grey flag and clidd white flag, got it

fool i scumread clidd and id push them if tse agreed with me and im just as much at odds with rb as you cmon
-mm

Specifically refutes a point that suggests they're the Black Flag.

No one hammer me before AF comes on.
I don’t want to be miss lynched without AF answering my questions.
I need AF to answer my question.

-TSE

Seems he's resigned himself to being lynched with the "No one hammer me before AF comes on." Has no fight in him, doesn't want to actually survive.

Also, I have new flag for jester hunting, do you guys like it?

I disagree.
Not all of that was Jester stuff SMH.

VOTE: TSH

This is

L-1.

Oh shit.
Didn’t see that vote.

You're scumclaiming with these posts. Correct?

Ok petition we ignore TSE because even though I've been in the game for like 3 days I can already smell he's black flag, too much attention to himself. Unless he's an absolutely bonkers white flag but either way there's no rush to lynch him.

VOTE: Skygazer

[woodchuck321]

It's still clidd and I've seen people re evaluate that slot. Let's start a wagon there

VOTE: clidd

what about clidd seems scummy to you? complaining about the flags?

[woodchuck321]

Who was Looker pushing besides Amrun?

Also, will someone explain what all the flags in the messages mean? Is that what you're trying to figure out with each post? Cuz right now all it's doing is confusing me

[woodchuck321]

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Zero content all day, literally never commented on TSH even one single time, and was off wagon. Really think this slot is much higher than rand scum.

if he's scum, what are scum doing?

sleeping, apparently

[woodchuck321]

Some notes/wagon analysis upon doing a reread

- TSH wagon started with Hectic's vote in 203 then CSF joined after so Hectic most likely not scum, and CSF probably not scum.
- Amrun's vote/TSE's subsequent reaction indicate that they are not scum vs scum.
- I hopped on the wagon so I'm obviously town (and by that I mean feel free to analyze my vote on the wagon however you will)
- Uncrowned tried to start a wagon on Creature, and BS hopped on. 320 was a little weird as well.
- CSF also defended the wagon after voting there previously, a little sketch if you ask me. Their progression on them in later posts was good though.
- PB also tried to deflect onto rb and clidd after TSH had four votes on them, mostly ignored the TSH wagon.
- rb is definitely town based on interactions with TSH and to a lesser extent PB. Especially true if PB is also scum. Would like to see more from their replacement, but probably won't be swayed from this.
- Uncrowned not joining the wagon and going for Creature instead looks bad. Definitely vanity voting there. He also voted rooroo at a later point.

Definitely still stand by my 606.

Not related to the wagon but clidd's posting was pretty bad on Day 1, however has been much better today. Also don't think they're likely to be partners with TSH anyways.

{Hectic, Amrun, clidd, rb!slot and CSF} are all likely town based on this flip. If scum is on the wagon, they're probably on the end which would be {Skygazer, Uncrowned, PB}

I have no clue what to make of {rooroo, BS}

rb is the guy I replaced, right? and i also heard my slot and PB were fighting a lot earlier in the game?

[woodchuck321]

First, I don't bus.

Oh that clears it up, he doesn't bus ergo he must be town /s

So clidd is the white flag, and one of Blatant/Sky is the black flag.

Sky has been pushing Clidd all today. Makes more sense if Sky was white and Clidd was black.

[woodchuck321]

woodchuck, why did you move your vote off of TSH and onto rooroo?

1. TSE was obvious scum. Wanted to see who would move onto the rooroo wagon (and if TSE would). I think I said "let's see where this gets us"

UNVOTE: Titus

why the unvote clidd?

[woodchuck321]

You basically made the game miserable for me to had fun. If RB were here, I would be able to play normally.

i feel like i should be insulted by this

[woodchuck321]

It's not an academic exercise for me. I'm not convinced BS is scum partly because I'm not sure what his partner is doing here.

yeah, that's what's stopping me from hammering as well, i just dont see a partner

[woodchuck321]

Pretty sure Clidd is obvscum coasting and posting to demoralize town.

with clidd's spam i actually agree with this

you're still not off the hook, but VOTE: clidd

[woodchuck321]

yeah but if he's not then it's back to you and uncrowned

[woodchuck321]

actually reading back through clidd's messages he seemed pretty fine until he freaked on Pink, he was on TSE and actively contributing the whole time

[woodchuck321]

You know what, no, BS needs to go and partner is probably CSF

are we still L-1 on BS/Titus?

[woodchuck321]

VOTE: Titus

[woodchuck321]

Is really woodchuck Chemist's partner? I can't believe it

If it's not Titus i'm voting Chemist tomorrow.

[woodchuck321]

More jester stuff:

Spoiler:

If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

Huh?
But you didn’t even play if it’s scummy or not.
And WDYM Merit a Vote?
I haven’t voted anyone.
Are you saying that for someone not liking a thought I had and voting me is a good thing?
Maybe to get a clear read on me or get reaction sure.
But to scum read someone for it isn’t right, and you even said it’s early game and low content.
So you just straight out put a vote on me?
Seems to me like your just being opportunistic.

VOTE: Amrun

-TSE

I think TSE knows how mafia works to not make these posts as non-jester. It's such a stupid issue to focus on that draws attention to yourself.

I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

I'll just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in

Hot Take: Planned Via Scum Chat?

Planned via scum chat to say that exact same thing, in what way does this help scum? Another ridiculous take which is more jestery than anything.

Let's do something

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Starting with the guy who could have moved his vote already but didn't

Well technically I could have too.
But I get your vote there.

Pointing out something he did could be scummy. This is a pretty good one.

okay

VOTE: TSH

choo choo more TSH votes

Not attempting to really defend himself. He doesn't really care about being lynched.

So TSH is black flag, rb grey flag and clidd white flag, got it

fool i scumread clidd and id push them if tse agreed with me and im just as much at odds with rb as you cmon
-mm

Specifically refutes a point that suggests they're the Black Flag.

No one hammer me before AF comes on.
I don’t want to be miss lynched without AF answering my questions.
I need AF to answer my question.

-TSE

Seems he's resigned himself to being lynched with the "No one hammer me before AF comes on." Has no fight in him, doesn't want to actually survive.

Also, I have new flag for jester hunting, do you guys like it?

I disagree.
Not all of that was Jester stuff SMH.

VOTE: TSH

This is

L-1.

Oh shit.
Didn’t see that vote.

You're scumclaiming with these posts. Correct?

Ok petition we ignore TSE because even though I've been in the game for like 3 days I can already smell he's black flag, too much attention to himself. Unless he's an absolutely bonkers white flag but either way there's no rush to lynch him.

VOTE: Skygazer

I don’t think this is a real thought

VOTE: Chuck

I didn't read back in all the messages and TSE did seem very obvious scum. I don't know metareads on anyone because I'm new around here so I just went with my gut.

[woodchuck321]

Aight fine, we lynch VOTE: Chemist today then. I still think Titus is a better lynch.

[woodchuck321]

I see {Titus/Uncrowned/Chemist} to lynch today. Titus's predecessor I didn't like and Titus I don't like accusing clidd's slot, so he's my preference.

Most votes at the end of the day is hammer, right?

[woodchuck321]

rooroo was off TSE, but was with Looker on Amrun so I'm not sure if that skews them town or scum

I still think Chemist/Uncrowned makes more sense than rooroo/Sky

[woodchuck321]

Actually I'm not sure about Uncrowned/Chemist now, why would scum put their partner at L-1?

[woodchuck321]

isnt there 8 alive, your vote doesn't count, 4 to lynch?

[woodchuck321]

does lynching require a majority of everyone or just a majority of everyone not getting lynched?

[woodchuck321]

VOTE: Chemist

[woodchuck321]

That sure would be a

Hectic

lynch

the window is that way sir ->

[woodchuck321]

Imho hectic feels town to me and all this sudden pushing of him is strange after pushing Uncrowned a lot yesterday

[woodchuck321]

So I see a lot of spam and what I'm getting from Eddie's reaction so far is...

Amrun, Aaron bad?

Aaron is the most townie person alive imo. Not sure about Amrun.

[woodchuck321]

Clidd's slot is dead. He was replaced by Titus and lynched.

[woodchuck321]

I'm also rb's replacement

[woodchuck321]

@Eddie

Re: cringy af TSE post: still learning how things work around here

Re: non-presence: I'm a college kid and I'm busy most of the time. Sometimes I get on, like tonight, and I have nothing at all to do so I can sit around and do forum mafia & whatever but that's rare. Also I hopped in as a replacement and this is my first real forum mafia game, not counting 1 or 2 things on mafia451.

I don't even think I have full reasons for my reads, they're just hunches that I get.

Aaron just... feels town to me. Idk.
Amrun could go either way still, he's been just kinda... there
Sky I didn't like him & (?clidd) but since clidd flipped town i guess he's fine.
Uncrowned seems to have given up, mostly just popping in to comment on how stupid we are for pushing him.
Hectic was really loud for a few days and then really quiet for a while, which might just be a situation like mine but idk. Seemed to disappear just as we were mislynching everyone. To me, you coming in guns-a-blazin either means you're townie AF or scum trying hard to be townie AF.
rooroo idk, there was a wagon on him d1 that didn't go anywhere but TSE was the obvious lynch

[woodchuck321]

Ok maybe the Uncrowned comment was unfair. But he does seem to have given up

[woodchuck321]

I've played on 451 quite a bit, what was your name on there?

Do you mind ranking those reads from town to scum? You don't need to restate reasons. People often do reads lists like this:

Tom / Nancy
Pine
Mastina / xReckonerx / PenguinPower
Firebringer


where tom / nancy are town reads and fire is scum read. in that flow order. just somethign like that.

uh,

almost def town: Aaron/Eddie
maybe town: sky/amrun/rooroo
ehhhh: Uncrowned/Hectic before rep

did i miss anyone

[woodchuck321]

also,

oh shit woodchuck actually posted content lemme read it

[woodchuck321]

[woodchuck321]

oh whatever it's a picture of an angry woodchuck

[woodchuck321]

just a reminder since you have been prodded, btw, deadline is in just over 48 hours and this site has majority so we need 4 votes to kill. if you are townie, its important your vote is in play.

So if we don't get majority nobody dies? It's not "most votes at day end or majority?"

[woodchuck321]

Since Eddie just analyzed everybody else's scum vectors let's do him:

Eddie / Sky - These are both townreading hard right now but they're also playing off each other's townie-ness. I believe lynching Uncrowned / Sky covers the case of Eddie being scum.
Eddie / Rooroo - Hectic ignored the d1 counter-wagon on Rooroo so roo might've been white flag but that's fishing for weak ideas, so this is probably not
Eddie / Aaron - yeah aaron's either town or playing us HARD
Eddie / Amrun - I dont see anything notable between these two slots
Eddie / Uncrowned - There's been little interaction between Hectic/Uncrowned but there's been little interaction from Uncrowned at all really so

Amrun is still slightly town to me from what he's been posting recently. Also, this interaction doesn't seem forced -

If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

Why wouldn’t a thought that you didn’t like something merit a vote? It’s early game and low content - that’s exactly what we need to move the game forward. VOTE: TSE

Huh?
But you didn’t even play if it’s scummy or not.
And WDYM Merit a Vote?
I haven’t voted anyone.
Are you saying that for someone not liking a thought I had and voting me is a good thing?
Maybe to get a clear read on me or get reaction sure.
But to scum read someone for it isn’t right, and you even said it’s early game and low content.
So you just straight out put a vote on me?
Seems to me like your just being opportunistic.

VOTE: Amrun

-TSE

Roo / Sky could cover Eddie being scum but I don't see a pairing with Uncrowned

I'm down with Uncrowned / Sky and Rooroo / Amrun, but I feel like Uncrowned / Sky is safer because of reasons listed above and because I still can't shake the idea of Eddie trying very hard to seem town

[woodchuck321]

VOTE: Rooroo

pls be right

[woodchuck321]

Since woodchuck appears to be the least active player as well I'd like to just know off the bat if you are a noob or an alt account.

well ya obviously havent read the whole game

[woodchuck321]

Your slot has been a hard null all game so if you could make your alignment obvious that'd be cool.

Also starting to warm up to the idea of Amrun being scum. Its 230 am so I'm going to sleep, so I'll discuss more when I wake up.

I was too until the Eddie nightkill. Seems too obvious. Might still be talked into lynching him though.

Also Oka, your slot has bounced around a bit, it's mostly a mild townread rn.

[woodchuck321]

Honestly i think Uncrowned/Amrun is the scum pairing here. Uncrowned has been even lower activity than me and even less effort, and he doesn't have the excuse of this being his first game.

[woodchuck321]

Amrun I'm still on the fence about because of his interactions with TSE but I don't see anybody else as scum. Uncrowned & Amrun are my lynches here, Uncrowned feels a bit safer though.

[woodchuck321]

Aaron is the only one who hasn't directly supported an Uncrowned lynch but again I really feel like he's town. It's possible that Uncrowned isn't scum but then I'm really not sure who is, or why their partner would be actively trying to defend them. Much more likely that someone would be trying to push for a different lynch over Uncrowned, if someone comes right out and defends him at this point it will be obvious.

[woodchuck321]

Isnt everyone supposed to be online because of Coronavirus

[woodchuck321]

alright i'll start it if nobody else will

VOTE: Uncrowned

[woodchuck321]

UNVOTE:

interesting

[woodchuck321]

that panic when i voted uncrowned was pretty interesting

[woodchuck321]

i wanted to see the reactions when i voted uncrowned

i'm not sure if nobody else responding was because nobody else cares or nobody else is online lol

[woodchuck321]

i never thought of sky/uncrowned as a pairing and you made a legitimate reason for the panic but it's not off the table

[woodchuck321]

i forgot how to math for a second

[woodchuck321]

in that case no self-respecting town should ever vote someone in lylo in case scum hammers them

[woodchuck321]

i'll hear you out, what do you think the solution is?

[woodchuck321]

you want to lynch aaron????????

[woodchuck321]

neither aaron and uncrowned nor aaron and amrun seem likely, aaron's been a pretty solid town read for days now, by everyone

[woodchuck321]

from skimming back aaron had Amrun in his mild townreads early in the game and leaning towards mild scumreads since eddie joined but i still dont see any obvious pairing there

[woodchuck321]

the only thing that pops out to me as bad in this are "town wouldnt be trying very hard" coming from the person claiming town who's trying the hardest

at the same time, unless you're a really ballsy scum you wouldn't be trying to convince me to lynch amrun this hard

the eddie kill makes sense for 1) amrun scum or 2) someone wanting amrun to seem scum, if someone wanted amrun lynched isn't killing Eddie as good as leaving him alive at this point?

you're right it's probably amrun/uncrowned though we'll see where this goes

i just read your new posts

you think scum is in {uncrowned/amrun/aaron} and the delay is intentional?

[woodchuck321]

at the same time, unless you're a really ballsy scum you wouldn't be trying to convince me to lynch amrun this hard

this implies you/amrun with uncrowned just being an apathetic goof*

[woodchuck321]

Uncrowned/Amrun is out now unless he's making a huge gamble

[woodchuck321]

Here's what I see based on the last few days:

Amrun/Uncrowned seemed pretty clear for a bit, but a few things are throwing me off.

1) Uncrowned voting Amrun and calling for a lynch is pretty clearly not scum with Amrun. {Uncrowned/Amrun} is out.
2) Both Oka and Aaron are pushing Amrun, and Uncrowned sheeples that, which again blocks out Uncrowned/Amrun

Here's another possibility that we've been ignoring Sky/Oka & Uncrowned

The day started off pretty Uncrowned heavy until Oka comes in. Reading back I was pretty much strongarmed into dropping the Uncrowned wagon. Sky left because an Uncrowned lynch seemed inevitable. When Oka reads back, they see a strange kill on Looker and an opportunity to frame an obvious nightkill on Amrun. From the little I had seen at that point I had Looker read as town; I don't believe there was a deeper meaning in that kill. Oka then played off the obvious nightkill (who was both the most obvious town and pushing Amrun) to get Uncrowned out of trouble.

Re: Sky on Uncrowned wagon - Sky was on Uncrowned wagon yesterday (not lylo) while there was momentum elsewhere and not much real danger of an Uncrowned lynch at the time. He then "reluctantly" admits that rooroo/Amrun could be a possible lynch order ("rooroo -> amrun makes sense i *suppose*") and his slot is now trying to carry that scum win through.

Oka is trying to take advantage of my inexperience to sheeple me into screwing this Lylo and Aaron's been on the fence with Uncrowned/Amrun anyway. When I voted Uncrowned, Oka went in full panic mode. To be fair I made a noob technical error but the response seems too extreme. Oka has also been basing much of his logic off the nightkills, which again could very easily have been made coincidentally to frame Amrun.

Aaron, I believe you're town. I'm not sure about Amrun from a scumread angle but there's no pairing left for him. But with Aaron town, {Uncrowned/Amrun} ruled out by Uncrowned's vote, and Oka's maneuvering today, {Oka/Uncrowned} is the only pairing I see left.

[woodchuck321]

assuming at least two town in {Amrun/Aaron/Oka} there's only one guy I can see with Uncrowned

[woodchuck321]

VOTE: Uncrowned

oka comin in here thinking they can strongarm a newbie

[woodchuck321]

i'll take a look at the reads on looker, i didn't catch up a whole lot when i first joined

[woodchuck321]

Aaron, re-read Oka's reaction to my first test vote. Oka is the only one who's not OK with an Uncrowned lynch.

[woodchuck321]

ggs all, i maintain we would've won if Sky & Hectic hadn't ragequit