Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[AaronFrost]

hello memers

[AaronFrost]

hello memers

Sorry, meme-free zone. No fun allowed.

damn who are you the fun police?

VOTE: Schiavetto

[AaronFrost]

More energy from Gypyx is a good sign, the only reason he was able to keep the energy levels up in Tenet was he had a scumteam breathing down his neck. Of his own volition I'd be comfortable slotting them as town, but will reevaluate later if I notice him losing steam.

2/10

Ninja-
Meh I'm standing by the townread

i feel like the same logic could apply here if he's scum, especially since he's part of a hydra this game

[AaronFrost]

@ben why do you not acknowledge my vote on you?

Why would I need to? What I saw is just a plain RVS vote with no reasoning that I think I don't need to address.

i voted secret hydra for rvs

vote on you was not rvs

what kind of reaction were you expecting out of them?

[AaronFrost]

infinity gives me town vibes rn

[AaronFrost]

@datisi I read a bit of random facts too, but my read on you is mostly based on you saying once that scum!you is nervous

i'm not sure this is the most reliable tell. i think most people tend to be a little nervous while playing scum, but would also want to hide the fact that they're nervous.

[AaronFrost]

bridge has some of the best shitposting i've ever seen and i kind of want to townread them for it

[AaronFrost]

@datisi I read a bit of random facts too, but my read on you is mostly based on you saying once that scum!you is nervous

i'm not sure this is the most reliable tell. i think most people tend to be a little nervous while playing scum, but would also want to hide the fact that they're nervous.

uh, don't get your point on this one sir

my point is that i don't think it's necessarily a strong reason to townread someone

i do think infinity throwing out townreads like candy is more town indicative than not though

[AaronFrost]

I am prepared to write one (1) haiku or one (1) limerick for anyone who votes scipio rn so we can end D1 in under 10 pages

i'll take haiku for 400 please

VOTE: Scipio

although fwiw i don't think their 'slip' is ai in the slightest

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Scipio

lonely hollow knight
a hornet in the hallownest
ships passing in the night

locktowning mena until i'm proved otherwise

[AaronFrost]

skitter didn't tell the mod right away about her V/LA in Mini 2113 as town, but did so in Newbie 1951 as scum and did so in Silent Star 3 as scum. I'm sure further citations will dilute this pattern but even with a weak pattern, it feels significant when this is a game where she's in a hydra and she knows it matters less. It's also somewhat less town-hydra-y to opt for shouting that out to the mod right away versus consulting with Menalque to ascertain how necessary it is or isn't, since as town it's a shared responsibility to solve the game and as scum the posting pattern is more of a visible lifestyle or that's a bad metaphor I was trying to think of a better one.

this is one of the most bizzare takes i've seen, especially weird after you called out my own apparent moon logic

Oh Aaron Frost is in this game that explains something.
This is a weird moonlogicky post since nervousness is like, you know, hard to hide? It seems oddly level 1 thinking for a vet. I feel bad for not having a read direction on it aside from just finding it salient.

have we played together before?

PEDIT: hey skitt!

[AaronFrost]

how is that a townslip? doesn't this setup only have a godfather a quarter of the time or something?

this setup never has a godfather. and it's not a townslip.

[AaronFrost]

Holy shit i hate you

oh did i steal your pagetop sorry

[AaronFrost]

the caps lock part is what I was wondering about? Why is implo towny there

@isis

if that post doesn't read towny to you I feel like you have a PT with some other players you could ask about it

it's very analytical

hmm i'm not sure if scum!isis posts this, but at the same time i don't like how this comes off tonally

[AaronFrost]

She's implying that I'm scum if I don't find the post towny

Well...not by the way she worded it. If she said you are scum if you don't find that one implo post towny then she could have said it straight up but she chose to say that if you don't find implo's post towny then you have outside influence in some way. That's the question I'm trying to figure out here.

i think it's just a snarky way of saying that she thinks infinity is scum if he doesn't find that post from implo towny

[AaronFrost]

we've played several together, most recently the infamous SS3:Royalty in the mini queue

i think a majority of this pl would agree with me saying that that's literally my first post in nearly every game i play as both alignments. i'm just kinda baffled that she'd come to the conclusion that it's scummy
and like i said later on at the same time i'm not sure why scum!her makes that take because it's like a bizarre thing to set up an argument abt that i'm p sure she knows i'm going to object to but like my overall take is that it's scummy

pedit was it really only 3? ok i can cite probably dozens of games where i did it as town and ig you happened to be in the one where i didn't, does knowing that change anything?

~ skitter

yeah i'm pretty sure the v/la thing is nai. before i siteflaked for a bit i'd played with skitter a lot and she almost always announced her v/la immediately.

[AaronFrost]

lol same second post

it's aaron fucking frost

it is me hi hello

[AaronFrost]

Why are people TR'ing Penguin? I don't see it.

honestly i didn't really have a read on pengu up until like page 12. i think him trying to steer the discussion away from the skitter v/la thing is very town indicative

[AaronFrost]

yes hello aaron fucking frost i missed you

do you have any Insightful Insights on this game of jk9++ that we are currently participating in

hi hello it has been a minute

um i don't really have any real scumreads at the moment. i thought the isis push on skitter v/la was weird but i'm honestly not sure which alignment it's more likely to come from.

i think bridgeburners/pengu/infinity are likely town, i've seen some scumcases against ben dover but i honestly can't remember anything they've posted so i may take a look at that at some point.

i feel like people in general have a lot of townreads this game which concerns me a bit.

[AaronFrost]

Idk, just don't wanna accidentally quickhammer this early.

https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c49_mafia

from my experience this doesn't usually happen, an i don't think it would happen with this player list

[AaronFrost]

I mean I’m kind of fucking around but also dragging the day out is pointless

I think we should be aiming to get a claim out of someone within the next 3-4 days and to elim in the next 5-6

-QB

this is super true by the way. the beautiful thing about deadlines is that you can use as much or as little of it as you want.

i think 7-10 days is plenty time to discuss things and figure out an elim target, any longer usually leads to town apathy.

[AaronFrost]

fwiw i think ben is fairly townie

~ skitter

i find it interesting that both heads of this hydra disagree on the ben read, but i'm not sure what it means atm

[AaronFrost]

So yeah, I'm not very focused on scum being on my wagon right now because I have 0 evidence for such a accusation, but I do want to know why people jumped on my wagon so quickly and why they want a speedy elimination on me.

if you are town though then figuring out if there's scum on your wagon should be important yeah?

like i think a lot of people didn't like your early game posting, but honestly i think your reaction to the wagon is sorta townish

[AaronFrost]

@ben

do you have any scumreads at the moment?

[AaronFrost]

ben dover123 (3) - Datisi, implosion, Scipio1, Infinity, Bridgeburners, PenguinPower

Scipio unvoted after Bridge's vote

Making note of this for later just in case it becomes relevant

[AaronFrost]

What’s your preferred non-haiku wagon there AFF?

Isis maybe? I don't necessarily think isis is scum but i'd be interested to see what is yielded from a wagon there

i wasn't really opposed to the ben wagon either but his reaction to it was pretty townie imo so i don't really want to vote there right now.

[AaronFrost]

might as well vote on it i guess

VOTE: Isis

[AaronFrost]

the fact that i don't have any real scumreads at the moment makes me wonder if there's scum in the low posters/inactives (schiavetto, not mafia, notsci although maybe less on notsci since they explicitly said they were gonna limit their posting)

[AaronFrost]

i'm getting an evil vibe from the isis wagon

what happens if i

VOTE: aaronffrost

spicy vote

what do you dislike about the isis wagon?

[AaronFrost]

i don't think the vote is good faith, there's weird shade-but-not-really on isis from aaron (293, 367) and then he just votes her when the wagon's growing there, the phrasing around it feels weird and performative in a way and i Don't Like It

i voted isis because i was at the point where i wanted to cast a serious vote instead of leaving my vote on scipio for the haiku thing and didn't feel it was necessary to jump on the ben wagon since i townread his reaction to it.

[AaronFrost]

TR from him on Infinity feels like it only came out to soften his vote.

can you explain what you mean by this part because i'm not sure what you're referring to here? i hadn't made a serious vote when i townread infinity

[AaronFrost]

Is Datisi like, a notably good scum player? Bc it seems like there's a decent amount of latent skepticism of him but I feel like he's been transparently town a couple times.

i think datisi is more than capable as scum but take that with a grain of salt because i think i've only played with scum!datisi once and that was in a newbie game back in like 2019

[AaronFrost]

Biggest beef with Aaron is that I feel like they're posting to appear like they're contributing while also being as inoffensive as possible--a lot of talking without saying anything at all. Gave thoughts on some of their earlier content in my last post, but even beyond that it's all very noncommital--like that guy in your grad seminar who didn't do the reading but still opens his mouth because he wants to be perceived as having something to offer. I'm thinking about things like 367 (which is mostly just him making an observation that others have a read on ben while claiming to have no opinion of their own, despite having literally just interacted with ben in his previous post. Follow up is p lackluster, too--post a votecount, make no attempt at analysis) or 446's whole ~what could it mean~ schtick. Like... so much of their ISO is commenting on the amount of townreads being given out & expressing hesitation there, but then doing very little to actually move the game out of that state.

i'm usually pretty noncommital early game when it comes to scumreads, i like to figure out who i think is town first and then go from there. then once we get a couple flips i can start narrowing things down.

my playstyle in general is more observant than pushy but i also like to post my thoughts as i have them

i also gave my opinion on the ben wagon

[AaronFrost]

i have general mild good vibes from aaron with like two specific things that i like a little bit more (366 which I mentioned, also a bit on 167/266)

Those still both feel very.... safe is probably the wrong word for what I mean here, but it's what's coming to mind. What am I not seeing?

i am kinda confused why implosion finds those two posts towny tbh (167/266)

[AaronFrost]

-Probably going to keep most of this shallow for the sake of actually getting back into the thread. Contents of this post apply up through #173, which is where I last left off reading before checking out.

fwiw the bit in particular that mena didn't like was the fact that you came around to aaron-scum just when the wagon was heating up. i don't think he particularly minds that you didn't actualy lay a vote down just then, but rather that you made a point of scumreading him just as that wagon was becoming a thing

it seems like schiavetto had that read before they even know my wagon was a thing so that reasoning doesn't check out

[AaronFrost]

-Probably going to keep most of this shallow for the sake of actually getting back into the thread. Contents of this post apply up through #173, which is where I last left off reading before checking out.

fwiw the bit in particular that mena didn't like was the fact that you came around to aaron-scum just when the wagon was heating up. i don't think he particularly minds that you didn't actualy lay a vote down just then, but rather that you made a point of scumreading him just as that wagon was becoming a thing

it seems like schiavetto had that read before they even know my wagon was a thing so that reasoning doesn't check out

Depends on whether the readslist was authentically done in catchup or was done knowing what the gamestate was

-QB

true, but it felt genuine to me honestly

[AaronFrost]

@Datisi

why does it feel like you're sort of backing down from your push on me when you were the one who got it started in the first place with that spicy vote? It's weird to me because there has been some resistance to the push on me, but not

that

much and I feel like you should be interacting with me a little more to try and figure out my alignment, but there just doesn't seem like much effort to read me at all.

Your play around the top two wagons feels pretty wishy-washy right now, you mentioned you didn't vibe with the Isis wagon and then you started the wagon onto me then didn't do much with it when it picked up steam other than an apparent dislike of Isis and ben dover's vote on me.

[AaronFrost]

@Datisi

why does it feel like you're sort of backing down from your push on me when you were the one who got it started in the first place with that spicy vote? It's weird to me because there has been some resistance to the push on me, but not

that

much and I feel like you should be interacting with me a little more to try and figure out my alignment, but there just doesn't seem like much effort to read me at all.

Your play around the top two wagons feels pretty wishy-washy right now, you mentioned you didn't vibe with the Isis wagon and then you started the wagon onto me then didn't do much with it when it picked up steam other than an apparent dislike of Isis and ben dover's vote on me.

i don't think i feel like i'm backing down?? like sure i started it, why should that mean that i'd need to be some sorta force behind it? or even that i'm *that* certain in it? and i don't think i need to be interacting with you to be figuring out your alignment? you've pretty much already responded to things that i found suspicious about you (564) which like, *fine*, but i don't see much purpose arguing with you if your response is gonna be "playstyle".

that's just not how i play. if i thought you were 100% scum, i'd be saying that. in a gamestate like this (where i'm aware my reads are probably not top notch quality), i'm looking for something to grab my attention - and what's grabbed my attention was their votes on you.

To me it felt like there was a bit of hesitancy to push on it further after some expressed their dislike of the push. Just you questioning Isis and ben's hop ons when you started the wagon felt weird to me when you were the initial vote caster.

Can you explain what you didn't like about the other votes on me?

[AaronFrost]

notscience is not even actually a low-poster/inactive, he just said he was going to be, then he's had standard activity. I thought it was weird. I guess the only scenario where it's scummy weird is when notscience has posted in a scum PT that he's gonna self impose a limit and gets to lurk but don't worry he'd prob do it as town too.
It's not super characterizable but it's super weird! like notsci feels high content to me. Though I don't remember much of the content so he's probably scum

I think I was looking at pure post count when I said that. When it comes to actual content then yeah his activity has been alright, but their posting hasn't really made me feel any type of way

[AaronFrost]

Can you explain what you didn't like about the other votes on me?

what do you mean? the other votes on you are schiavetto, which i said is a fine vote, and n_m, who is *gestures vaguely* n_m.

the other two votes, ben and isis

[AaronFrost]

Why does your gut say there’s scum in that group?

their interactions with each other don't seem to be w/w in any world but I'm having trouble believing that they're v/v/v fsr.

That doesn't really explain why you think that since you basically just said what you said in 664 but with different wording. What in our interactions causes you to come to the conclusion of 1 scum in me/Datisi/ben?

[AaronFrost]

I forgot not mafia was in this game

[AaronFrost]

UNVOTE:

I don't think Isis is scum

[AaronFrost]

cool.
VOTE: isis

what made you think so and who is scum then?

I think her posting in the last few pages shows a very natural and logical though process (some examples are 617-624, 648, 652, 669, 672) that if it comes from scum, it's very well manufactured to look natural, but i genuinely feel like her posting has become more and more organic over time.

I also don't think the vanity vote on you is something that comes from scum when things have sort of stalled and and she could probably get away with staying on my wagon until end of day (which if she is scum would be her best chance of staying alive). It's just a weird move that doesn't make sense for scum!Isis to make in this situation.

[AaronFrost]

As for who's scum, I honestly have no fucking clue. I don't feel like I have the best grasp on this game at the moment so I'll probably do some rereading when I have time and see what I can find.

[AaronFrost]

also does anyone disagree with schiavetto town?

- hYdra

Schiavetto's kind of in the same category of my reads as notsci and you where they've had enough content that I feel like I should have some read on them but I honestly don't.

[AaronFrost]

Why does your gut say there’s scum in that group?

their interactions with each other don't seem to be w/w in any world but I'm having trouble believing that they're v/v/v fsr.

That doesn't really explain why you think that since you basically just said what you said in 664 but with different wording. What in our interactions causes you to come to the conclusion of 1 scum in me/Datisi/ben?

I mean, if I knew my exact thought process behind this thought I would've explained it lol.

Usually when i make that kind of claim i have some evidence or reasoning to back it up but sure

[AaronFrost]

do you agree with 618? from my pov it felt like being nitpicked over minute unimportant details. does the knowledge of "isis has seen town!me be *not* as townie" challenge your view? and what is your read on me, anyway?

and like, i wanna disagree with that second part, bc while things have *stalled*, they definitely don't feel *stable*. most of the people are going "oh, i'm townreading too many people, i'm not scumreading anyone", and i feel that in that

economy

gamestate, things can turn around quickly. (like, look at the way your wagon popped up shortly after i gave some much less-then-stellar reasoning for it.)

Do I have to agree with all of Isis's posts in order to townread Isis? Because that's not really what my read on Isis is based on.

I feel like I haven't been able to get a good read on you this game tbh and there's some things you've done that have raised my eyebrows a bit, like your play around mine and Isis's wagons.

As for the gamestate comment, the game wasn't quite as stalled out as it is currently when you gave that read on me. Like sure things can turn around quickly but I feel like it's gonna be hard to get 5-6 people to turn around and vote for you in particular when you've been mostly townread up until this point (compared to me who's been in most people's null categories)

[AaronFrost]

I do kind of just like Aaron's posting recently. 714 just strikes me as genuinely town. And the isis unvote, and the way he talked to datisi in his last post.

i'll try to actually be online when other people are at some point soon hopefully :\

I feel like you're townreading me off of posts I've made that I don't feel should be AI. You mentioned earlier that you like my 266 and 167 so can you elaborate on why you read those as town?

[AaronFrost]

does anyone just want to eliminate the scum hydra for not even pretending to maintain a read progression

I think that weird progression can be explained more by hydra dissonace than it can as a scum progression so not really

[AaronFrost]

I think bridgeburners is someone I'd rather sort later anyways just because I've been historically inaccurate at reading both heads of that hydra in the past

[AaronFrost]

Do I have to agree with all of Isis's posts in order to townread Isis? Because that's not really what my read on Isis is based on.

no, but i think i didn't express myself well. i wanted to ask you to look at it from my pov - isis has seen me be not-townie, and to me it felt like a shitpush. you cited some of those posts as ~natural and logical~. do you still view them as so, after knowing about the meta?

If you're asking me if I think you being not obv-town is an indicator that you're scum this game, the answer is no. My whole point was that I can see why town isis thinks this is the case based on her experience playing with you, even if I don't think there's a correlation with Datisi being not obv-town = Datisi scum.

[AaronFrost]

To answer the post I never answered it comes down to being bold about the haiku thing. It's a kind of dynamic that I can see scum avoiding engaging in. It's a minor thing. I think someone else said something similar about it.

I don't necessarily agree with this, I think it's something scum could easily engage in at that stage of the game.

[AaronFrost]

My whole point was that I can see why town isis thinks this is the case based on her experience playing with you

and my whole point was that the experience that she was citing was not actually the full extent of it and whether the knowledge that it actually wasn't the full extent changed your outlook

it doesn't change my outlook there because perception doesn't always equal reality

[AaronFrost]

@Datisi

why does it feel like you're sort of backing down from your push on me when you were the one who got it started in the first place with that spicy vote? It's weird to me because there has been some resistance to the push on me, but not

that

much and I feel like you should be interacting with me a little more to try and figure out my alignment, but there just doesn't seem like much effort to read me at all.

Your play around the top two wagons feels pretty wishy-washy right now, you mentioned you didn't vibe with the Isis wagon and then you started the wagon onto me then didn't do much with it when it picked up steam other than an apparent dislike of Isis and ben dover's vote on me.

if it was scum!Tisi's intention of pushing you and potentially killing you, can you answer your own question? What motivation does scum!Tisi have to back down the second it gains traction? Seems counter productive.

Town!Tisi getting pinged by a shady sheep vote and backing down feels a lot more like what happened here

-seCret

I originally thought that it might have been scumtisi backing down after there was some resistance/disapproval of the wagon, but I no longer think this is the case.

How confident are you that datisi is town this game?

[AaronFrost]

I'm kind of finding that I've forgotten how to play almost?

relatable tbh

[AaronFrost]

Bridge
Isis
notsci

Infinity
Penguin
Schiavetto
Datisi

N_M

implo
sec/hyd
ben
Aaron

Why is notsci so high here?

[AaronFrost]

Nm has shown a recent proclivity to actually play.

???

has he though?

[AaronFrost]

I think I'd only eliminate not_mafia today as a last resort option, especially if there's chance that slot gets resolved by night actions anyways, but i agree that slot cannot live until elo (or whatever it's called now).

The other problem is that I don't really feel confident in anyone being scum right now

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: ben dover i think this is e-2

i think this game is in need of a claim or a flip and doing something is better than doing nothing

[AaronFrost]

i know my reasons for voting ben dover but this got to NM-1 awfully quickly on a rather weak case even if i say so myself

I mean honestly, there hasn't really been a strong case on anyone so I'd rather get a claim or a flip or something instead of just sitting around waiting for things to happen

[AaronFrost]

IioA isn't a crime of negligence, it's a specific incident of sin. Having content at other times does not absolve it.

Forgive me father for i have sinned

[AaronFrost]

keep up AFF, we already have a claim

-QB

Make me

UNVOTE:

Not really interested in eliminating that claim

[AaronFrost]

let's flip ben anyway

-QB

what

what?

-QB

[AaronFrost]

y

-QB

I think that claim is likely to resolve itself sooner rather than later and it's not really something I'd be interested in pursing on day 1, when i'm not super confident on ben dover being scum to begin with

[AaronFrost]

Make me

also, flirting with me will get you nowhere AFF, I am immune to your charms

-QB

i'll get through to you some day

[AaronFrost]

why does that claim resolve itself when scum have literally a multitude of fakeclaims to give even if ben were to track one successfully

-QB

Because now scum are either forced to try and kill him or risk him getting results that can benefit the town and I feel in most scenarios ben just dies. I suppose that argument is pretty wifomy though.

why were you voting ben if u weren't that confident in scum!him, AFF?

-QB

I mean honestly, there hasn't really been a strong case on anyone so I'd rather get a claim or a flip or something instead of just sitting around waiting for things to happen

[AaronFrost]

QB why do you still want to elim ben regardless of the claim?

[AaronFrost]

why's ben scum?

(1) didn’t really like his response to the wagon on him (specifically the stuff that was like “whoah, that’s quite a wagon to have sprung up on me so quickly! Particularly didn’t like the last two votes — but it could be all town! Not saying anyone on me is scum yet!”)

(2) his posting is tickling my null!scum vibe sensor — he’s been here and has said ~stuff~ but it feels like there’s not a lot of depth to his posts/thoughts

-QB

1) I actually kind of felt the opposite about his reaction initally (assuming you're talking about the first wagon). I think I particularly liked 431 when he said he didn't want to call anyone on the wagon scum because he had no evidence of that being the case. I think if he were scum there would've been some attempt to push the vote elsewhere, maybe onto one of the wagon hoppers.

I agree with 2) though, his posting has been pretty lackluster as of late.

[AaronFrost]

Because now scum are either forced to try and kill him or risk him getting results that can benefit the town and I feel in most scenarios ben just dies. I suppose that argument is pretty wifomy though.

Nah bc why would you kill someone who’s broadly susp and can die from elim when they can’t hard guilty you anyway? The potential for lots of PRs means even if he was on scum and tracked they always have viable explanations

And correspondingly, there’s a decent chance that he just tracks a doc or something and thereby actually outs extra info to scum

-QB

Gonna be honest, I didn't even consider the likelihood of there being multiple investigatives in this setup so my point is probably moot

[AaronFrost]

I actually kind of felt the opposite about his reaction initally (assuming you're talking about the first wagon). I think I particularly liked 431 when he said he didn't want to call anyone on the wagon scum because he had no evidence of that being the case. I think if he were scum there would've been some attempt to push the vote elsewhere, maybe onto one of the wagon hoppers.

I am talking about that, yeah. Idk I just think it’s a really weird reaction to have as town to see yourself at 5 (and practically at 6, if scipio hadn’t jumped off (which, btw, I’m inclined to say is basically a scumclaim if Ben!scum)) votes and be like “huh yeah reserving judgement this could be all town) when I think the far more natural thing is to assume that scum is involved in your wagon somehow if it’s that large — not being sure where, fine. You don’t know if they started it or sheeped on. But to not have your mind going scum are taking advantage of me somehow is just... real weird, and I think missing the paranoia element that most people have as town. And I think that lack of paranoia about it is almost tmi? Like of course it’s harder to fake paranoia about your wagon if it is all town lol

-QB

Isis had kind of a similar reaction though yeah? Like when Isis was being wagoned I didn't really get the vibe that she was all that paranoid about it and she seemed pretty nonchalant. The way he said that he wasn't sure if scum were involved just felt really honest to me. I'd be interested to see how other people feel about this though.

[AaronFrost]

the equation for the probability of these numbers, which... i'm actually too dumb to actually make holy fuck, anyways, common sense tells me that it's fairly high, way higher than the odds of 3/4/5/6/7! "I" so anyone being a tracker would cc

Even the chance of getting 2 "I" is pretty low (2.25%) so maybe you're right, but the fact that no one has cc'd yet makes me trust the claim a tiny bit more.

Although being honest, tracker is probably one of the safer fakeclaims for scum in this setup.

[AaronFrost]

2) My first thought in the few pages/ posts I did read was that regardless of his actual alignment, Ben would be wagoned, so it's a bit funny to me that he's the top wagon now that I'm replacing-in. For what it's worth, I don't think this fact is related to his alignment at all, it's just easy to see what the common suspects in a game are gonna be, regardless of their actual alignment.

Don't know if you're fully caught up yet, but you should probably know that ben dover is a claimed tracker

[AaronFrost]

I think AF and ben may be spewed unaligned

I'm assuming you mean that ben!scum = me!town or vice versa and not just that ben and I aren't scum/scum?

If so, can you elaborate on this?

[AaronFrost]

I feel as if I have reiterated that point as a yes multiple times

Although in fairness what I’ve said to skitt in pt vs what I’ve said here may have blended into one another

But like skitt isn’t that interested in going there today so I’m leaving it alone. I just got optimistic briefly that she’d changed her mind

-QB

man you two really aren't agreeing on anything this game lol

[AaronFrost]

I wouldn’t say that’s true, or at least not more than normal

We see things in different ways but I think we’re doing quite a good job of being cohesive in the actual positions we’re taking even if we’re also explaining our own perspectives when it comes up

-QB

Yeah, if anything I think that fact that you both are being so transparent with your different takes is +town points for you two

[AaronFrost]

y

-QB

I think that claim is likely to resolve itself sooner rather than later and it's not really something I'd be interested in pursing on day 1, when i'm not super confident on ben dover being scum to begin with

this is just a scummy post

you shouldn't ask me why but if you must you shall

-seCret

I'm not gonna ask why but I already mentioned that my statement is probably false

[AaronFrost]

i also asked for schiavetto to be activated IC to simplify things

schiavetto doesn't need IC to activate

it's a town slot most likely

-seCret

I think I'm allowed to question this read though, so why is Schiavetto town?

[AaronFrost]

the equation for the probability of these numbers, which... i'm actually too dumb to actually make holy fuck, anyways, common sense tells me that it's fairly high, way higher than the odds of 3/4/5/6/7! "I" so anyone being a tracker would cc

Even the chance of getting 2 "I" is pretty low (2.25%) so maybe you're right, but the fact that no one has cc'd yet makes me trust the claim a tiny bit more.

Although being honest, tracker is probably one of the safer fakeclaims for scum in this setup.

This number is wrong. You calculated it by taking 0.15^2; this would be the probability that the *first* two letters chosen are I. The actual probability of getting exactly 2 I is (7 choose 2)(0.15^2)(0.85^5), around 21%.

remind me to never do math late at night again

[AaronFrost]

Hey something smart

Sorry for being absent, I haven't been feeling well the past couple days.